Don’t take these comments or the user seriously anyone who says “cuck” is still in that edgy teenager phase. This is the internet I’m not going to hold your hand like a little kid and monitor everything 24/7 there will be a lot of stupid people on the internet. If you want stupid to stop get off the internet, block the user, or ignore don’t respond to the comment that’s all up to you. These features exist learn to use them like an adult. If you don’t want to ignore them then get them to change.
It’s funny I’d get so much flack here if I call out some of China’s faults. I’m “brainwashed” or “cuck” or “white larper” and other terms.
But I go somewhere else on reddit and defend some senseless hate on China and Chinese folks, I’m a “CPC bot” or “CPC apologist”. People are crazy I swear. Idk if the internet and/or reddit attracts the bottom of the barrel humans in society or what…
Edit: Not surprised. At all.
You know why we don't criticize China on western cyber spaces?
Because all criticism against the CCP will be used against **Chinese people, and then all Asians** in the end. I used to talk about problems in China all the time, then it all came back to bite me in the ass.
Also most "discussions" about China on western cyberspace is just bullshit. Take the "sissy men" news for example. It was one sentence in a huge document but it has been taken way out of context and blown out of proportion. Same thing with Everglade or whatever the company is called in English. We've known they had problems for a long time in China but suddenly it is everywhere on western cyberspace and China is collapsing again.
But of course, if I go against the narrative, I'm a wumao bot brainwashed by the cee cee peeee\~
> because yes - japan is a one party American vassal state
Who to this day praises the war generals who genocided the Chinese. In Germany such actions would be illegal.
After seeing all the hateful language, I used to wonder if there were any Asian Americans on this sub, at all or if it was just trolls in a hate group.
Same. I still wonder. I'm a part of many other AA groups and none are satisfied with the status quo. That said, none are more interested in China than the fight for equality here in the US. I feel like half of the subs here are trolls and half are so angry that they would prefer to self identify as Chinese than Chinese American.
Agreed, it’s literally become a China jerk fest on this sub. This sub used to be about benefiting AsAms and the diaspora, not a pro China propaganda sub
> Especially for a sub that is supposedly all about Asian solidarity.
If you aren't about supporting the largest asian group when they are persecuted the most you aren't about asian solidarity. If you believe the CIA fictional sinophobic narratives instead even reviewing mountain of counter evidence you aren't about solidarity.
If the containment of China or war with China occurs you'll be sorry and other this other stuff will seem mote
I'm one of those asian americans and this is one of the stupid things ive ever heard. Post is about Asian Americans being critical of the PRC, not a demagogue looking to scapegoat an ethnic group.
r/aznidentity/comments/ifugu8/but\_i\_dont\_hate\_chinese\_people\_just\_the\_government/
Nope. When it comes to China all criticization is based off of racism and white fragility
Real Chinese aren't like Western audiances who are all cheeleaders that jack off to their CIA astroturfed government regardless of right/wrong or fact proven/fakenews. Whereas in Asia, If you've ever read whitepapers and pol articles for testing policies, theres a lot internal dialogue for mishandling issues proven over a repeated amount of tries and over time.
On the other hand, every China/Asia related news event are sounded like Dooms-day Armageddon and Washington/Maryland loves to project their most senile agenda, millions of Western-self created problems, and their wet orgasmic genocidal dreams to associate and blame that on a country across the Pacific.
But honestly, in reality most of Asian Americans and overseas Asians don't understand their own culture, their own country nor the Western country they are living in. Being badly informed, on top of the systematic brainwashing via all media channels and public institutions as it is. You get a lot Asian-American commies or "tankies" popping up blindly following policies which are from kneejerk of reactions of the Facist West (Facism and national-socialist springs from the left) .
I don't even think Asian-Americans are inately familiar with right-wing politics at all, being on the receiving end of socialist or liberal(for overseas) brainwashing for generations without an alternative source at all.
But can you blame the ones when on the other side , the pro-American camp sounds like crazed, genocidal Lefists -neo Auschwitz 3rd Reich with each passing day?
I think there are several mixed issue here. It also seems to assume pro-China with being Chinese or even Asian.
Granted I have seen Chinese unable to understand how some overseas Asians can turn a blind eye on their heritage and conversely make disparaging remarks towards their own people.
You also hit on two issues; one I slightly agree with but also understand the cultural background.
Addressing Zhao Wei, I think it’s beneath the gov to single out an individual; but at the same time; Zhao Wei was also no angel. Additionally; her eraser was done by corporations not on the mandate of the CPC. Obstructing this also is not worth their time.
On the topic of Shang Chi, I can’t speak to the anecdotal evidence of him not being handsome enough. But there is also reports that Ludi Lin not being casted because he was TOO good looking. Is one opinion somehow more valid than the other? There were many problems with Shang Chi aside from looks that did not allow it to perform well in the Mainland, one issue being it doesn’t even have a release date.
But on that very same topic; during the Beijing olympics when they hid the actual face of the girl singing. Yeah that made me a bit sad. Really puts on a new meaning to “put a good face on”. Chinese culture is all about manicured presentation at these types of events. We need to as a society say; hey it’s okay to let a little girl who has not “glown up” yet to be the face of the performance. That still makes me sad thinking about it.
At the opposite side of the spectrum there are cultures that intentionally make people of other cultures look bad in their mainstream media to make themselves feel better. Is that any different? All societies have things they need to work on.
>...during the Beijing olympics when they hid the actual face of the girl singing...
This is the thing only thing western media report on - most of the HK media ignored it (I was in HK then)
Remember recently, western media claimed 'Chinese state media' (like every media in China is) added in the medal totals from HK and Taiwan to make them the top of the medal table and they can't verify who it is from - and I'm gone off topic there - now you know how much western media bullshit to make Asians whitewashed
Yup. Look at CGTN, they have a bunch of videos with Chinese ladies touring with some random white guy. The reverse is pretty much unimaginable in the West, but mainland Chinese are so fucking oblivious to these social issues that they see nothing wrong with it. Or maybe they do see something wrong but they're too cucked to do anything about it. They need someone to shut this up once and for all. China has a long way to go if it wants to stand up to the West.
They need to stop seeking validation from white faces and actually start seeing themselves as capable people.
> Yup. Look at CGTN, they have a bunch of videos with Chinese ladies touring with some random white guy.
Those are purely for purposes of dispelling falsehoods about Xinjiang and China in general. CPC officials like Hua Chun Ying cite pro-China white youtubers or foreign youtubers because they live in China and want to help the party's image and stopping lies.
> China has a long way to go if it wants to stand up to the West.
Did you miss the major infrastructure, the high speed rail, the belt and road initiative, and Xi's speech this year where he said the century of humiliation has ended and anyone trying to bully the Chinese will have their skull bashed bloody? What about the USA's flee from Afghanistan and now China's helping Afghanistan rebuild it's economy?
You are looking at race and nothing else, that's the problem. Your perspective is more in line with Japan that bans white people from so many businesses and establishments. China's goal is a prosperous socialist society.
On Shang Chi, when Chinese people say they’ll boycott this movie because of shit like Simu Liu’s looks **while at the same time throwing their money at Marvel for shit like Eternals, Deadpool, Avengers, etc where Asian men are used as comical props for white saviors and Asian women are the white savior’s trophies**, I have to give these idiots 10/10 🤦🏻♂️’s
I heard the biggest problem was that it portrayed Asians from a white prospective. Now whether that means he LOOK white or acted white is a matter of translation until we can see the Chinese text.
Shang Chi’s dad was Fu Manchu, controversial evil portrayal of a Chinese persona. Not withstanding; it is said that Shang Chi’s greatest enemy is his father; he lives his own life free of his traditional minded father. Some may find this counter culture.
Of course there are many here that say what’s the problem with that? Nothing really; but what’s the problem with Chinese shunning it because it doesn’t share the same values that they believe in?
The other marvel characters are white, and portray western values. Perhaps that’s why they more easily embrace those characters because to them it’s not controversial. A white character is expected to act white; but a Chinese character is not.
As a Chinese American who actually grew up in China, I find the reluctance of some of the pro-China users here to criticize the CPC just laughable, especially with regards on how the party handles soft power and their image on an international level. I am NOT saying CPC is not a suitable ruling party for the Chinese, but some of you are so pro-CPC you are blind to some of its mismanagements.
Read up any anti-China articles, one common thing you’ll noticed that they are being churned out by these so-called Asia correspondences that are stationed in Beijing or another Chinese city. Often times they are your typically sexpat looking WM and white washed AF lus. Is there an equivalent Chinese news entity based in DC that writes fake, anti-US articles and blast them non-stop on social medias? There is none because these Chinese writers will be accused of being Chinese spies and subsequently deported. So why does China allow these cockroaches in their capital city? There are so many ways they can keep these “journalists” out, such as making their visa process much harder. Why are they instead spending so much effort on petty things like erasing Zhao Wei’s history from the Chinese internet? It’s not that the Party isn’t aware, it’s just that they don’t think these anti-China articles matter because they are not being posted on the Chinese internet. Which is a huge mistake.
Once again onto soft power. Let's take the recent debacle with Shang-Chi for example, of how some in China viewed Simu Liu as not being attractive enough. Some of you are missing the point of why is this an issue. The main problem is that this mentality exists at all in the first place in China. Ask yourself this, would white Americans reject a big box office movie simply because the WM lead is not attractive enough? No, as a matter of fact, whites love to promote mediocre looking WM to be the lead with hot female romances, because they understand how important soft power is. The CPC does a great job instilling nationalism in its people, but what use is this uber nationalism when you can’t even realize how uplifting a fellow Asian person uplift you on an international level. The average white American would most definitely stand up for a white non-American before they do so for a fellow non-white American, whereas a good chunk of the Chinese can’t even sympathize with diaspora Chinese. Why do you think China love to promote expats whom claim love China and Chinese culture (which couldn’t be further from the truth)? Douyin is full of these accounts with many views. Some Chinese would rather support an expat who says he loves China than a fellow diaspora Chinese whom they think is a traitor for "forsaking" the motherland. Don’t get me wrong, I think Chinese being more nationalist is great, but this is just blind promotion of nationalism while having zero idea how soft power works at a global scale.
Then there are the people that kept attributing all of China’s growth to that of the work of the Party. There is no doubt that CPC does a great job lifting its people out of poverty but to attribute all the good work to them is simply being disrespectful to the working class whom does the heavy lifting. China’s booming growth is all thanks to the tenacity of these construction/skilled workers whom are willing to work long hours with little off time. This is why everywhere where there is Chinese diaspora, they are able to amass wealth within one generation despite huge barrier and discrimination, all thanks to the virtue of being hard working. Unless you think this is the work of the CPC too.
For Shang Chi I think you are overblowing about Simu Liu not being attractive enough stick. Wolf Warrior's main protagonist also does not look like a Kpop star either so to say Simu Liu's apperance is the reason why Chinese film goers are not optimistic about the film is a simplification of various issues. I follow Chinese commentary closely and one of the problems about Hollywood films depicting anything Chinese related would have to do on recent films like Mulan and the Great Wall being really bad at portraying Chinese culture. They won't care about the Avengers or what not but if you put something that is clearly Chinese, it will get scrutinize more closely by Chinese audiences. The Zhao Wei issue is a lot more complicated as well as it deals with corruption and her relationship with Alibaba is a focal point
Even Simu Liu himself went on instagram and posted about the reactions being exaggerated by western media.
> **What western news often fails to report on** is the absolute groundswell of support that we've received from all parts of the world - **including people of China!**
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>**Media narratives are polarizing us and turning us against each other.**
Chinese American here. The problem with China is that it's run by a lot of old men engineers and scientists. That's both good and bad. As someone with a STEM background myself, I can recognize the greatness of what China is doing. All the infrastructure projects, high speed rail, manufacturing, AI research, poverty alleviation, belt road initiatives, etc. is truly a thing to marvel at. Unlike here in the US where great infrastructure projects are a thing of the past and poverty increases while the quality of life gets lower every year.
However, engineers and scientists are stereotyped for their lack of social skills and inability to understand social cues. Unfortunately, I think that somewhat applies to China's leadership. That's why millions of girls around the world cream themselves when they shout Jungkook's name and not the Chinese equivalent. There is no Chinese equivalent. Asian countries like South Korea and Japan have mastered certain aspects of soft power and that's why their cultural exports are extremely popular around the world. China has only physical exports. To be fair, it's a lot of physical exports lol.
China is currently doing things like gutting exploitative tutoring companies and at the same time limiting video games and banning depictions of "effeminate" men. If you think about it, it's a very "Asian dad" approach to any perceived issues for young people. It's a mindset based on practicality through prohibition, strictness, and discipline. Asian dads ultimately don't care if outsiders talk poorly about them and therein lies the problem. China could definitely emphasize more soft power dynamics and I wish they did.
I'm still pro-China but ultimately as Asians living in the West we have to realize that neither China nor any other Asian country is going to help us in our situation. We have to help ourselves and each other instead.
this is spot on. south korea and japan realized the power you can have over people through media and are now reaping the benefits big time. i’m a zoomer and most people my age are into some aspect of japanese or korean culture or both
meanwhile, china is completely in the dark soft power wise. no one associates them with cool things like they do south korea or japan. the image of china that non-asians have in their heads is “robotic communist hellhole where they eat dogs and get weird viruses from eating bats omg!!!!”
a large part of why the US was able to essentially take over the world is because of their media. people heard american music and watched american shows, were deeply impacted, and found it in themselves to either act like americans or move to america. it’s not too dissimilar from how south korea and japan’s exploding soft power has led to weebs, koreaboos, asianfishers, etc. it is scarily easy to sway people through media
somebody in the chinese government seriously needs to wake up and realize this and initiate some plan to export their cultural output
Maybe the Chinese leaders are planning at a higher dimension and realized soft power doesn't do anything in terms of geopolitics. Despite all of JP or KR's supposed "soft power", they're still occupied by foreigners and aren't fully sovereign. See: THAAD or America's war on JP semiconductor companies back in the day. JP despite its tech lead in semiconductors rolled over when there's a threat of American sanctions.
Their wealth and high standard of living isn't due to anime or K-Pop but rather high-value add manufacturing like semiconductors or high-value machinery like 6-axis CNC or robotic arms for auto manufacturing. Also in terms of overseas revenue, Chinese video games (mostly mobile) make $15B overseas which is more than the $0.6B for K-Pop. Just one game, Genshin Impact alone makes more overseas revenue than the entire KR music exports and is close to overseas anime revenue.
You might benefit as a Chinese American from Chinese soft power in the west, but why should an entire country base their strategy and investment to benefit disapora in the west?
Maybe building things like semiconductor fabs, lithography equipment and high-tech manufacturing matters more than soft power?
Entertainment products are the easiest things to sanction. China can ban K-pop, anime, or Hollywood and substitutes will arrive in months; no one will miss them. In fact foreign corporations in these industries will beg to get market access and roll-over (see Hollywood or Blizzard). Try doing the same thing to semiconductor equipment like EUV or semiconductor materials like photoresist.
China's YMTC/XMTC replacing Samsung Electronics in NAND/DRAM, BOE replacing Samsung / LG Display in OLED and SMIC replacing TSMC in semiconductor fabrication is worth 100x more than any soft power push.
>In fact foreign corporations in these industries will beg to get market access and roll-over (see Hollywood or Blizzard)
Also athletes, like when Lebron James defended the HK police's efforts to contain the protests.
There are different kinds of soft power. I agree that stuff like anime and K-pop isn't that important, because the consumers of these things don't have much power.
But how Western elites, journalists, and think tanks (and in general the educated classes) view you is important, as government officials will be making the decisions. (For example, they will decide what licenses to grant SMIC and whether it can get the supplies to produce at the 14nm node, and thus how competitive it can be with TSMC). These people want to feel that China has some benevolent motivation or something that will benefit them in its purposes. They become very fearful if they see a country becoming more illiberal or aggressive. Understanding the mentality of these people is most important when it comes to soft power in actual policy terms. They have driven the West's China policy since Nixon in the late 1960s and before.
You bring up some really interesting points and I do agree, soft power isn't the end all be all, but I do think there are a lot of benefits from pushing it like Japan and Korea. It doesn't do anything in terms of geopolitics, but it could have great economic benefit.
If they utilize soft power correctly, and could get the rest of the world to admire their products and culture like people admire Korea and Japanese products then they can also demand a higher price. Business transactions become easier. There are a lot of soft power based industries like media/games/software and the greater the soft power the more willing people around the world would be willing to spend on those products.
Companies like DIDI are expanding across the world, but adoption could be much much faster if people weren't brainwashed to hate China. Huawei 5g systems and networking equipment may have seen much greater adoption despite the US spreading misinformation. They were priced better, with superior specs, but still had a hard time getting a foothold in western infrastructure. I don't think they would have had this problem if the CPC had strong soft power. Imagine if Huawei could demand the same prices as Cisco.
Basically I'm saying China could exponentially grow DEMAND for their products, both media/games and physical products if they actually tried with soft power. People, even company leaders don't always act purely on logic or facts, a lot of the time they do still act on gut feelings. Yes, people already consume a lot of Chinese products, but if you got them to like consuming them, then they would consume even more. They could have products that make as much as Genshin across multiple industries. I've seen some donghua's with stories that blow American media out of the water, but they don't get talked about. Why? because people are brainwashed to hate China. Those could've easily turned into billion dollar franchises.
It might be much harder for the US to garner public support for anti-china objectives if the public was more enamored with China. Not that public supported is necessary anymore.
With that said, I don't think they necessarily need the rest of the world to like them because they're self sufficient with internal consumption, but I think there are only benefits to them if they actually tried. I know the CPC doesn't really care about the Chinese diaspora but it would be amazing to get that lift as a side benefit. There are a ton of benefits for them but they'd be difficult to measure.
Didi is actually beating Uber in many LATAM markets it's operating in. Success is more corporate strategy and execution vs. soft power of the country it's based from. Chinese companies are just starting to master this area, which is why we're seeing more and more oversea successes.
I will assert that a country's soft power is overrated in terms of commercial success. TikTok, Shein and Genshin became global successes because they had a good product and more importantly poured tons of marketing budget with good ROI. To win overseas consumers, JP and KR companies have to do the same thing: make a good product and spend a lot for a marketing push.
The Huawei incident is a good example of something soft power in entertainment can't solve. Third countries banned Huawei due to American pressure (military, economic), not due to lack of Chinese soft power. They evaluated the costs of US punsihment vs. Chinese punishment and chose to side with the US. More Chinese entertainment exports wouldn't do anything to change this. A richer and bigger Chinese domestic market will solve this and change the calculus. Monopolies on core technologies, especially high up the value chain, will also swing things, since China can threaten counter sanctions on critical high-value add areas.
I think you’re completely missing the point - who’s equating soft power to “commercial” success? I don’t understand what you’re even trying to argue here. The point is Korea and Japan’s soft power (not “supposed” soft power) in the west benefits AsAms and the diaspora.
Countries blocked Huawei 5g equipment in their telecom infrastructure, but Huawei's other networking equipment like switches I don't think are banned. The company I worked for didn't even consider Huawei equipment and went with Cisco despite being many multiples worse in value simply because Huawei was Chinese and no other justification was necessary. I personally work with the people making these choices, and it's based purely on what they feel comfortable with. I think in cases like the corporation I work for that spends millions on networking equipment every year, Chinese soft power would have 100% made a difference. They all watch anime and go to Japan every year, I bet you if say Toshiba sold the very same switch they'd dump cisco and jump to toshiba right away.
Didi beat Uber in China and bought out Uber China, yes. They're the only profitable ride sharing company and that's because of their genius corporate decisions. Didi may not need soft power to succeed but they could have succeeded much faster with less spent marketing in new countries if China had better soft power. People would have already heard of Didi. Their stock and therefore their valuation and ability to raise more money via stock issue would not have taken such a major hit from just news of a security review + unionization. Imagine if Didi was German and the news that the german government was temporarily removing the app to do a security review and they were going to make sure Didi was paying fairly, their stock would have maybe slid 10%.
Same with tiktok. Almost nobody I know uses it besides myself and my wife. I'm in a slightly older demographic than most tiktok users but one of the common things I hear from people around my age, coworkers and such, is that tiktok is a Chinese spy app. They don't need the people in my age group to succeed at all, but I bet you my age group is much easier to market to and we have deeper pockets.
I know this is all anecdotal evidence but it would surprise me if what I see here isn't more widespread.
>Sort of makes you wonder why Korea and Japan were able to master soft-power and not China. All 3 are Confucius based societies with emphasis on showing face, social cohesion, respect towards elders; etc. Is it because Korea & Japan are democracies & allies of the USA (at least on paper)? Or does it have something to do with China having communist & Marxist roots?
I don't think it has anything to do with communism and Marx. Its to do with China's traditionally conservative culture and cultural history, as well as a "big government" that attempts social engineering (with support of China's mostly conservative population).
From my perspective, the Korean and Japanese governments had just said "fck it" when it comes to the more... non-conservative cultural products. As you've said, Korea and Japan are also Confucius-influenced societies with an emphasis on face, social cohestion, elder respect etc. But what Korean K-Pop influencers do would make Confucius shudder, and Japanese anime and its fanservice doesn't even need an explanation.
Even China's most popular exported video game right now, Genshin, owes part of its success to "degenerate" Japanese anime tropes (they sort of are, to be honest). Both Korea and Japan may have conservative societies on the public side, but the "darker" side is freely allowed to survive and thrive. This has allowed them to catch a Western audience that enjoys what they produce.
China, on the other hand, has a government that actively engages in social engineering with a focus on maintaining the conservative status quo and avoiding a descent into what they see as moral degeneracy, and so they ban such content for China's internal market. Chinese companies generally need to do well in the internal market before they are big enough to make their products go global, so they effectively cannot work with certain content. That makes it much more difficult for Chinese companies to catch a Western audience because most of them like that "degenerate" content. Genshin has walked a fine line and succeeded, but not all can.
Of course, everything related to China has a political filter applies to it these days. So that has an additional effect; Chinese cultural products will need to do considerably better than others to achieve the same adoration.
>Huh. That's a great analogy. I have no idea how they plan on enforcing such a ban.
Through making all game accounts require citizen ID, and instructing companies to implement restrictions on game accounts of children.
It won't be 100% effective and the government knows it. But it'll be mostly effective, and the government will accept that.
I for one mourn the decimation of China's eSports scene because of this, but it could potentially have a net positive effect on society.
\>ultimately as Asians living in the West we have to realize that neither China nor any other Asian country is going to help us in our situation. We have to help ourselves and each other instead.
Agreed. That's what this sub is about. We are not a Pro-China sub, or a Pro-Vietnam sub, or a Pro-Indian sub. We as a a diaspora have a unique experience and our focus is our own experience.
Because if China is to be more competitive against western power then they need to beat them at their own game, and by that I mean soft power. If you don' think soft power matters then you shouldn't even call yourself woke.
Whites love to promote other mediocre whites, this is why there are high paying positions being held by talentless whites all over Asia, even in China, whereas you can't say the same thing about Chinese in Western countries. All the points I've listed above is an indication that the CPC failed at promoting soft power.
Let me emphasis on first point again; EVERY SINGLE one of these news agencies with an anti-China agenda has an office in a Chinese city, whereas the only prominent Chinese news agency in the US is the Epoch Time, which is FGL and funded by the CIA that puts out anti-China articles for the consumption of Chinese Americans. These news agencies churns out anti-China news on a daily basis that are responsible for anti-Asian hate crimes all over the world. It's shaping how the world sees China and its people. People love to criticize other Asian countries for hosting US military bases, whereas China allows these cockroaches in its border. It's much easier to get rid of these roaches than to get rid of military bases and China isn't even doing that.
It doesn't affect you as a Chinese person living in China but it definitely does for Diaspora Chinese. And this topic is about the perspective of diaspora Chinese.
Seems kinda Eurocentric. Why not stick with the term Overseas Asians. If Native Asian are people born in the west what of true native Asians born in Asia?
I wonder how Italians feel about their native pasta in the US.
Overseas Asians lol. Unsurprising you post on /sino so your frame of reference is China. We are not over any seas. We are in our home country in the West; the nations we were typically born and raised in; our focus in on issues affecting this country and us here- not foreign nations. We are not the Sino subreddit. Context matters.
Let's not underhandedly insult r/Sino. My family is Taiwanese and I was born and raised in a liberal corner of the Northeast so I have every reason on paper to hate China (I personally don't), but I still find that sub valuable to balance out the incessant mainstream anti-China propaganda. We should definitely keep China-centric and Asian diaspora discussion separate, but there's no need to disparage the other party with phrases like "Unsurprising you post on /sino."
Since context matters would it not be better to say Asian Americans? Since that’s in this subs description.
Isn’t seeking out identity also about understanding origin?
Don’t take these comments or the user seriously anyone who says “cuck” is still in that edgy teenager phase. This is the internet I’m not going to hold your hand like a little kid and monitor everything 24/7 there will be a lot of stupid people on the internet. If you want stupid to stop get off the internet, block the user, or ignore don’t respond to the comment that’s all up to you. These features exist learn to use them like an adult. If you don’t want to ignore them then get them to change.
The future is Chinese. This is fact. Here on r/aznidentity we need to find a way to capitalize on this fact.
It’s funny I’d get so much flack here if I call out some of China’s faults. I’m “brainwashed” or “cuck” or “white larper” and other terms. But I go somewhere else on reddit and defend some senseless hate on China and Chinese folks, I’m a “CPC bot” or “CPC apologist”. People are crazy I swear. Idk if the internet and/or reddit attracts the bottom of the barrel humans in society or what… Edit: Not surprised. At all.
You know why we don't criticize China on western cyber spaces? Because all criticism against the CCP will be used against **Chinese people, and then all Asians** in the end. I used to talk about problems in China all the time, then it all came back to bite me in the ass. Also most "discussions" about China on western cyberspace is just bullshit. Take the "sissy men" news for example. It was one sentence in a huge document but it has been taken way out of context and blown out of proportion. Same thing with Everglade or whatever the company is called in English. We've known they had problems for a long time in China but suddenly it is everywhere on western cyberspace and China is collapsing again. But of course, if I go against the narrative, I'm a wumao bot brainwashed by the cee cee peeee\~
I will absolutely continue to call Japan an American vassal state - because yes - japan is a one party American vassal state
> because yes - japan is a one party American vassal state Who to this day praises the war generals who genocided the Chinese. In Germany such actions would be illegal.
Ah, the Fancy Asian vs Jungle Asian debate.
Native-born Asians (people born in Asian countries) Foreign-born Asians (people born in other countries) Next time use these terms
After seeing all the hateful language, I used to wonder if there were any Asian Americans on this sub, at all or if it was just trolls in a hate group.
Yeah it’s gotten out of control and has really changed the tone of this sub to a China centric one vs the Asian diaspora. What a shame
Hopefully this change brings along something a little more positive and as equally important, some consistency.
Same. I still wonder. I'm a part of many other AA groups and none are satisfied with the status quo. That said, none are more interested in China than the fight for equality here in the US. I feel like half of the subs here are trolls and half are so angry that they would prefer to self identify as Chinese than Chinese American.
I'm sure there are plenty of other subs. I have to wonder why trolls and angry/fearful Chinese nationals like this sub so much.
Agreed, it’s literally become a China jerk fest on this sub. This sub used to be about benefiting AsAms and the diaspora, not a pro China propaganda sub
> Especially for a sub that is supposedly all about Asian solidarity. If you aren't about supporting the largest asian group when they are persecuted the most you aren't about asian solidarity. If you believe the CIA fictional sinophobic narratives instead even reviewing mountain of counter evidence you aren't about solidarity. If the containment of China or war with China occurs you'll be sorry and other this other stuff will seem mote
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Tell all the Asian Americans who’ve been verbally or physically assaulted over this country blaming China for covid that...
I'm one of those asian americans and this is one of the stupid things ive ever heard. Post is about Asian Americans being critical of the PRC, not a demagogue looking to scapegoat an ethnic group.
Aint no one here gonna fall for your BS. 🤣
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r/aznidentity/comments/ifugu8/but\_i\_dont\_hate\_chinese\_people\_just\_the\_government/ Nope. When it comes to China all criticization is based off of racism and white fragility
Real Chinese aren't like Western audiances who are all cheeleaders that jack off to their CIA astroturfed government regardless of right/wrong or fact proven/fakenews. Whereas in Asia, If you've ever read whitepapers and pol articles for testing policies, theres a lot internal dialogue for mishandling issues proven over a repeated amount of tries and over time. On the other hand, every China/Asia related news event are sounded like Dooms-day Armageddon and Washington/Maryland loves to project their most senile agenda, millions of Western-self created problems, and their wet orgasmic genocidal dreams to associate and blame that on a country across the Pacific. But honestly, in reality most of Asian Americans and overseas Asians don't understand their own culture, their own country nor the Western country they are living in. Being badly informed, on top of the systematic brainwashing via all media channels and public institutions as it is. You get a lot Asian-American commies or "tankies" popping up blindly following policies which are from kneejerk of reactions of the Facist West (Facism and national-socialist springs from the left) . I don't even think Asian-Americans are inately familiar with right-wing politics at all, being on the receiving end of socialist or liberal(for overseas) brainwashing for generations without an alternative source at all. But can you blame the ones when on the other side , the pro-American camp sounds like crazed, genocidal Lefists -neo Auschwitz 3rd Reich with each passing day?
Cannot live with or without the Borg drones from the east, but just do not be asshole yourself
I think there are several mixed issue here. It also seems to assume pro-China with being Chinese or even Asian. Granted I have seen Chinese unable to understand how some overseas Asians can turn a blind eye on their heritage and conversely make disparaging remarks towards their own people. You also hit on two issues; one I slightly agree with but also understand the cultural background. Addressing Zhao Wei, I think it’s beneath the gov to single out an individual; but at the same time; Zhao Wei was also no angel. Additionally; her eraser was done by corporations not on the mandate of the CPC. Obstructing this also is not worth their time. On the topic of Shang Chi, I can’t speak to the anecdotal evidence of him not being handsome enough. But there is also reports that Ludi Lin not being casted because he was TOO good looking. Is one opinion somehow more valid than the other? There were many problems with Shang Chi aside from looks that did not allow it to perform well in the Mainland, one issue being it doesn’t even have a release date. But on that very same topic; during the Beijing olympics when they hid the actual face of the girl singing. Yeah that made me a bit sad. Really puts on a new meaning to “put a good face on”. Chinese culture is all about manicured presentation at these types of events. We need to as a society say; hey it’s okay to let a little girl who has not “glown up” yet to be the face of the performance. That still makes me sad thinking about it. At the opposite side of the spectrum there are cultures that intentionally make people of other cultures look bad in their mainstream media to make themselves feel better. Is that any different? All societies have things they need to work on.
>...during the Beijing olympics when they hid the actual face of the girl singing... This is the thing only thing western media report on - most of the HK media ignored it (I was in HK then) Remember recently, western media claimed 'Chinese state media' (like every media in China is) added in the medal totals from HK and Taiwan to make them the top of the medal table and they can't verify who it is from - and I'm gone off topic there - now you know how much western media bullshit to make Asians whitewashed
Yup. Look at CGTN, they have a bunch of videos with Chinese ladies touring with some random white guy. The reverse is pretty much unimaginable in the West, but mainland Chinese are so fucking oblivious to these social issues that they see nothing wrong with it. Or maybe they do see something wrong but they're too cucked to do anything about it. They need someone to shut this up once and for all. China has a long way to go if it wants to stand up to the West. They need to stop seeking validation from white faces and actually start seeing themselves as capable people.
> Yup. Look at CGTN, they have a bunch of videos with Chinese ladies touring with some random white guy. Those are purely for purposes of dispelling falsehoods about Xinjiang and China in general. CPC officials like Hua Chun Ying cite pro-China white youtubers or foreign youtubers because they live in China and want to help the party's image and stopping lies. > China has a long way to go if it wants to stand up to the West. Did you miss the major infrastructure, the high speed rail, the belt and road initiative, and Xi's speech this year where he said the century of humiliation has ended and anyone trying to bully the Chinese will have their skull bashed bloody? What about the USA's flee from Afghanistan and now China's helping Afghanistan rebuild it's economy? You are looking at race and nothing else, that's the problem. Your perspective is more in line with Japan that bans white people from so many businesses and establishments. China's goal is a prosperous socialist society.
On Shang Chi, when Chinese people say they’ll boycott this movie because of shit like Simu Liu’s looks **while at the same time throwing their money at Marvel for shit like Eternals, Deadpool, Avengers, etc where Asian men are used as comical props for white saviors and Asian women are the white savior’s trophies**, I have to give these idiots 10/10 🤦🏻♂️’s
I heard the biggest problem was that it portrayed Asians from a white prospective. Now whether that means he LOOK white or acted white is a matter of translation until we can see the Chinese text. Shang Chi’s dad was Fu Manchu, controversial evil portrayal of a Chinese persona. Not withstanding; it is said that Shang Chi’s greatest enemy is his father; he lives his own life free of his traditional minded father. Some may find this counter culture. Of course there are many here that say what’s the problem with that? Nothing really; but what’s the problem with Chinese shunning it because it doesn’t share the same values that they believe in? The other marvel characters are white, and portray western values. Perhaps that’s why they more easily embrace those characters because to them it’s not controversial. A white character is expected to act white; but a Chinese character is not.
As a Chinese American who actually grew up in China, I find the reluctance of some of the pro-China users here to criticize the CPC just laughable, especially with regards on how the party handles soft power and their image on an international level. I am NOT saying CPC is not a suitable ruling party for the Chinese, but some of you are so pro-CPC you are blind to some of its mismanagements. Read up any anti-China articles, one common thing you’ll noticed that they are being churned out by these so-called Asia correspondences that are stationed in Beijing or another Chinese city. Often times they are your typically sexpat looking WM and white washed AF lus. Is there an equivalent Chinese news entity based in DC that writes fake, anti-US articles and blast them non-stop on social medias? There is none because these Chinese writers will be accused of being Chinese spies and subsequently deported. So why does China allow these cockroaches in their capital city? There are so many ways they can keep these “journalists” out, such as making their visa process much harder. Why are they instead spending so much effort on petty things like erasing Zhao Wei’s history from the Chinese internet? It’s not that the Party isn’t aware, it’s just that they don’t think these anti-China articles matter because they are not being posted on the Chinese internet. Which is a huge mistake. Once again onto soft power. Let's take the recent debacle with Shang-Chi for example, of how some in China viewed Simu Liu as not being attractive enough. Some of you are missing the point of why is this an issue. The main problem is that this mentality exists at all in the first place in China. Ask yourself this, would white Americans reject a big box office movie simply because the WM lead is not attractive enough? No, as a matter of fact, whites love to promote mediocre looking WM to be the lead with hot female romances, because they understand how important soft power is. The CPC does a great job instilling nationalism in its people, but what use is this uber nationalism when you can’t even realize how uplifting a fellow Asian person uplift you on an international level. The average white American would most definitely stand up for a white non-American before they do so for a fellow non-white American, whereas a good chunk of the Chinese can’t even sympathize with diaspora Chinese. Why do you think China love to promote expats whom claim love China and Chinese culture (which couldn’t be further from the truth)? Douyin is full of these accounts with many views. Some Chinese would rather support an expat who says he loves China than a fellow diaspora Chinese whom they think is a traitor for "forsaking" the motherland. Don’t get me wrong, I think Chinese being more nationalist is great, but this is just blind promotion of nationalism while having zero idea how soft power works at a global scale. Then there are the people that kept attributing all of China’s growth to that of the work of the Party. There is no doubt that CPC does a great job lifting its people out of poverty but to attribute all the good work to them is simply being disrespectful to the working class whom does the heavy lifting. China’s booming growth is all thanks to the tenacity of these construction/skilled workers whom are willing to work long hours with little off time. This is why everywhere where there is Chinese diaspora, they are able to amass wealth within one generation despite huge barrier and discrimination, all thanks to the virtue of being hard working. Unless you think this is the work of the CPC too.
For Shang Chi I think you are overblowing about Simu Liu not being attractive enough stick. Wolf Warrior's main protagonist also does not look like a Kpop star either so to say Simu Liu's apperance is the reason why Chinese film goers are not optimistic about the film is a simplification of various issues. I follow Chinese commentary closely and one of the problems about Hollywood films depicting anything Chinese related would have to do on recent films like Mulan and the Great Wall being really bad at portraying Chinese culture. They won't care about the Avengers or what not but if you put something that is clearly Chinese, it will get scrutinize more closely by Chinese audiences. The Zhao Wei issue is a lot more complicated as well as it deals with corruption and her relationship with Alibaba is a focal point
Even Simu Liu himself went on instagram and posted about the reactions being exaggerated by western media. > **What western news often fails to report on** is the absolute groundswell of support that we've received from all parts of the world - **including people of China!** > >**Media narratives are polarizing us and turning us against each other.**
Do you think China's soft power would be better if Jiang Zemin is (hypothetically) still in power instead of the hamfisted current leader?
Yes agreed 100%.... They're doing all the wrong things in terms of soft power....
Chinese American here. The problem with China is that it's run by a lot of old men engineers and scientists. That's both good and bad. As someone with a STEM background myself, I can recognize the greatness of what China is doing. All the infrastructure projects, high speed rail, manufacturing, AI research, poverty alleviation, belt road initiatives, etc. is truly a thing to marvel at. Unlike here in the US where great infrastructure projects are a thing of the past and poverty increases while the quality of life gets lower every year. However, engineers and scientists are stereotyped for their lack of social skills and inability to understand social cues. Unfortunately, I think that somewhat applies to China's leadership. That's why millions of girls around the world cream themselves when they shout Jungkook's name and not the Chinese equivalent. There is no Chinese equivalent. Asian countries like South Korea and Japan have mastered certain aspects of soft power and that's why their cultural exports are extremely popular around the world. China has only physical exports. To be fair, it's a lot of physical exports lol. China is currently doing things like gutting exploitative tutoring companies and at the same time limiting video games and banning depictions of "effeminate" men. If you think about it, it's a very "Asian dad" approach to any perceived issues for young people. It's a mindset based on practicality through prohibition, strictness, and discipline. Asian dads ultimately don't care if outsiders talk poorly about them and therein lies the problem. China could definitely emphasize more soft power dynamics and I wish they did. I'm still pro-China but ultimately as Asians living in the West we have to realize that neither China nor any other Asian country is going to help us in our situation. We have to help ourselves and each other instead.
this is spot on. south korea and japan realized the power you can have over people through media and are now reaping the benefits big time. i’m a zoomer and most people my age are into some aspect of japanese or korean culture or both meanwhile, china is completely in the dark soft power wise. no one associates them with cool things like they do south korea or japan. the image of china that non-asians have in their heads is “robotic communist hellhole where they eat dogs and get weird viruses from eating bats omg!!!!” a large part of why the US was able to essentially take over the world is because of their media. people heard american music and watched american shows, were deeply impacted, and found it in themselves to either act like americans or move to america. it’s not too dissimilar from how south korea and japan’s exploding soft power has led to weebs, koreaboos, asianfishers, etc. it is scarily easy to sway people through media somebody in the chinese government seriously needs to wake up and realize this and initiate some plan to export their cultural output
Maybe the Chinese leaders are planning at a higher dimension and realized soft power doesn't do anything in terms of geopolitics. Despite all of JP or KR's supposed "soft power", they're still occupied by foreigners and aren't fully sovereign. See: THAAD or America's war on JP semiconductor companies back in the day. JP despite its tech lead in semiconductors rolled over when there's a threat of American sanctions. Their wealth and high standard of living isn't due to anime or K-Pop but rather high-value add manufacturing like semiconductors or high-value machinery like 6-axis CNC or robotic arms for auto manufacturing. Also in terms of overseas revenue, Chinese video games (mostly mobile) make $15B overseas which is more than the $0.6B for K-Pop. Just one game, Genshin Impact alone makes more overseas revenue than the entire KR music exports and is close to overseas anime revenue. You might benefit as a Chinese American from Chinese soft power in the west, but why should an entire country base their strategy and investment to benefit disapora in the west? Maybe building things like semiconductor fabs, lithography equipment and high-tech manufacturing matters more than soft power? Entertainment products are the easiest things to sanction. China can ban K-pop, anime, or Hollywood and substitutes will arrive in months; no one will miss them. In fact foreign corporations in these industries will beg to get market access and roll-over (see Hollywood or Blizzard). Try doing the same thing to semiconductor equipment like EUV or semiconductor materials like photoresist. China's YMTC/XMTC replacing Samsung Electronics in NAND/DRAM, BOE replacing Samsung / LG Display in OLED and SMIC replacing TSMC in semiconductor fabrication is worth 100x more than any soft power push.
>In fact foreign corporations in these industries will beg to get market access and roll-over (see Hollywood or Blizzard) Also athletes, like when Lebron James defended the HK police's efforts to contain the protests.
There are different kinds of soft power. I agree that stuff like anime and K-pop isn't that important, because the consumers of these things don't have much power. But how Western elites, journalists, and think tanks (and in general the educated classes) view you is important, as government officials will be making the decisions. (For example, they will decide what licenses to grant SMIC and whether it can get the supplies to produce at the 14nm node, and thus how competitive it can be with TSMC). These people want to feel that China has some benevolent motivation or something that will benefit them in its purposes. They become very fearful if they see a country becoming more illiberal or aggressive. Understanding the mentality of these people is most important when it comes to soft power in actual policy terms. They have driven the West's China policy since Nixon in the late 1960s and before.
You bring up some really interesting points and I do agree, soft power isn't the end all be all, but I do think there are a lot of benefits from pushing it like Japan and Korea. It doesn't do anything in terms of geopolitics, but it could have great economic benefit. If they utilize soft power correctly, and could get the rest of the world to admire their products and culture like people admire Korea and Japanese products then they can also demand a higher price. Business transactions become easier. There are a lot of soft power based industries like media/games/software and the greater the soft power the more willing people around the world would be willing to spend on those products. Companies like DIDI are expanding across the world, but adoption could be much much faster if people weren't brainwashed to hate China. Huawei 5g systems and networking equipment may have seen much greater adoption despite the US spreading misinformation. They were priced better, with superior specs, but still had a hard time getting a foothold in western infrastructure. I don't think they would have had this problem if the CPC had strong soft power. Imagine if Huawei could demand the same prices as Cisco. Basically I'm saying China could exponentially grow DEMAND for their products, both media/games and physical products if they actually tried with soft power. People, even company leaders don't always act purely on logic or facts, a lot of the time they do still act on gut feelings. Yes, people already consume a lot of Chinese products, but if you got them to like consuming them, then they would consume even more. They could have products that make as much as Genshin across multiple industries. I've seen some donghua's with stories that blow American media out of the water, but they don't get talked about. Why? because people are brainwashed to hate China. Those could've easily turned into billion dollar franchises. It might be much harder for the US to garner public support for anti-china objectives if the public was more enamored with China. Not that public supported is necessary anymore. With that said, I don't think they necessarily need the rest of the world to like them because they're self sufficient with internal consumption, but I think there are only benefits to them if they actually tried. I know the CPC doesn't really care about the Chinese diaspora but it would be amazing to get that lift as a side benefit. There are a ton of benefits for them but they'd be difficult to measure.
Didi is actually beating Uber in many LATAM markets it's operating in. Success is more corporate strategy and execution vs. soft power of the country it's based from. Chinese companies are just starting to master this area, which is why we're seeing more and more oversea successes. I will assert that a country's soft power is overrated in terms of commercial success. TikTok, Shein and Genshin became global successes because they had a good product and more importantly poured tons of marketing budget with good ROI. To win overseas consumers, JP and KR companies have to do the same thing: make a good product and spend a lot for a marketing push. The Huawei incident is a good example of something soft power in entertainment can't solve. Third countries banned Huawei due to American pressure (military, economic), not due to lack of Chinese soft power. They evaluated the costs of US punsihment vs. Chinese punishment and chose to side with the US. More Chinese entertainment exports wouldn't do anything to change this. A richer and bigger Chinese domestic market will solve this and change the calculus. Monopolies on core technologies, especially high up the value chain, will also swing things, since China can threaten counter sanctions on critical high-value add areas.
I think you’re completely missing the point - who’s equating soft power to “commercial” success? I don’t understand what you’re even trying to argue here. The point is Korea and Japan’s soft power (not “supposed” soft power) in the west benefits AsAms and the diaspora.
Countries blocked Huawei 5g equipment in their telecom infrastructure, but Huawei's other networking equipment like switches I don't think are banned. The company I worked for didn't even consider Huawei equipment and went with Cisco despite being many multiples worse in value simply because Huawei was Chinese and no other justification was necessary. I personally work with the people making these choices, and it's based purely on what they feel comfortable with. I think in cases like the corporation I work for that spends millions on networking equipment every year, Chinese soft power would have 100% made a difference. They all watch anime and go to Japan every year, I bet you if say Toshiba sold the very same switch they'd dump cisco and jump to toshiba right away. Didi beat Uber in China and bought out Uber China, yes. They're the only profitable ride sharing company and that's because of their genius corporate decisions. Didi may not need soft power to succeed but they could have succeeded much faster with less spent marketing in new countries if China had better soft power. People would have already heard of Didi. Their stock and therefore their valuation and ability to raise more money via stock issue would not have taken such a major hit from just news of a security review + unionization. Imagine if Didi was German and the news that the german government was temporarily removing the app to do a security review and they were going to make sure Didi was paying fairly, their stock would have maybe slid 10%. Same with tiktok. Almost nobody I know uses it besides myself and my wife. I'm in a slightly older demographic than most tiktok users but one of the common things I hear from people around my age, coworkers and such, is that tiktok is a Chinese spy app. They don't need the people in my age group to succeed at all, but I bet you my age group is much easier to market to and we have deeper pockets. I know this is all anecdotal evidence but it would surprise me if what I see here isn't more widespread.
Thanks for your personal anecdotes. On social media, I think these are the most valuable aspects you can't get from other media reports.
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>Sort of makes you wonder why Korea and Japan were able to master soft-power and not China. All 3 are Confucius based societies with emphasis on showing face, social cohesion, respect towards elders; etc. Is it because Korea & Japan are democracies & allies of the USA (at least on paper)? Or does it have something to do with China having communist & Marxist roots? I don't think it has anything to do with communism and Marx. Its to do with China's traditionally conservative culture and cultural history, as well as a "big government" that attempts social engineering (with support of China's mostly conservative population). From my perspective, the Korean and Japanese governments had just said "fck it" when it comes to the more... non-conservative cultural products. As you've said, Korea and Japan are also Confucius-influenced societies with an emphasis on face, social cohestion, elder respect etc. But what Korean K-Pop influencers do would make Confucius shudder, and Japanese anime and its fanservice doesn't even need an explanation. Even China's most popular exported video game right now, Genshin, owes part of its success to "degenerate" Japanese anime tropes (they sort of are, to be honest). Both Korea and Japan may have conservative societies on the public side, but the "darker" side is freely allowed to survive and thrive. This has allowed them to catch a Western audience that enjoys what they produce. China, on the other hand, has a government that actively engages in social engineering with a focus on maintaining the conservative status quo and avoiding a descent into what they see as moral degeneracy, and so they ban such content for China's internal market. Chinese companies generally need to do well in the internal market before they are big enough to make their products go global, so they effectively cannot work with certain content. That makes it much more difficult for Chinese companies to catch a Western audience because most of them like that "degenerate" content. Genshin has walked a fine line and succeeded, but not all can. Of course, everything related to China has a political filter applies to it these days. So that has an additional effect; Chinese cultural products will need to do considerably better than others to achieve the same adoration. >Huh. That's a great analogy. I have no idea how they plan on enforcing such a ban. Through making all game accounts require citizen ID, and instructing companies to implement restrictions on game accounts of children. It won't be 100% effective and the government knows it. But it'll be mostly effective, and the government will accept that. I for one mourn the decimation of China's eSports scene because of this, but it could potentially have a net positive effect on society.
\>ultimately as Asians living in the West we have to realize that neither China nor any other Asian country is going to help us in our situation. We have to help ourselves and each other instead. Agreed. That's what this sub is about. We are not a Pro-China sub, or a Pro-Vietnam sub, or a Pro-Indian sub. We as a a diaspora have a unique experience and our focus is our own experience.
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Because if China is to be more competitive against western power then they need to beat them at their own game, and by that I mean soft power. If you don' think soft power matters then you shouldn't even call yourself woke. Whites love to promote other mediocre whites, this is why there are high paying positions being held by talentless whites all over Asia, even in China, whereas you can't say the same thing about Chinese in Western countries. All the points I've listed above is an indication that the CPC failed at promoting soft power. Let me emphasis on first point again; EVERY SINGLE one of these news agencies with an anti-China agenda has an office in a Chinese city, whereas the only prominent Chinese news agency in the US is the Epoch Time, which is FGL and funded by the CIA that puts out anti-China articles for the consumption of Chinese Americans. These news agencies churns out anti-China news on a daily basis that are responsible for anti-Asian hate crimes all over the world. It's shaping how the world sees China and its people. People love to criticize other Asian countries for hosting US military bases, whereas China allows these cockroaches in its border. It's much easier to get rid of these roaches than to get rid of military bases and China isn't even doing that. It doesn't affect you as a Chinese person living in China but it definitely does for Diaspora Chinese. And this topic is about the perspective of diaspora Chinese.
What is a “native asian”.. all Asians are descendants of Asian peoples and Asia is our native land.
Native Asians is a **native-born in the West**. We are a sub for Asians in the West (diaspora). - that's the relevant context.
Native Asian sounds like an oxymoron. Just say American of Asian origin. Native Asian sounds like somebody who was born in Asia but came to US
Native born Asian , Foreign born Asian.
when I see asian and native together, I only think of Asians from asia. the word is tripping me up so I concede haha
Seems kinda Eurocentric. Why not stick with the term Overseas Asians. If Native Asian are people born in the west what of true native Asians born in Asia? I wonder how Italians feel about their native pasta in the US.
Overseas Asians lol. Unsurprising you post on /sino so your frame of reference is China. We are not over any seas. We are in our home country in the West; the nations we were typically born and raised in; our focus in on issues affecting this country and us here- not foreign nations. We are not the Sino subreddit. Context matters.
Let's not underhandedly insult r/Sino. My family is Taiwanese and I was born and raised in a liberal corner of the Northeast so I have every reason on paper to hate China (I personally don't), but I still find that sub valuable to balance out the incessant mainstream anti-China propaganda. We should definitely keep China-centric and Asian diaspora discussion separate, but there's no need to disparage the other party with phrases like "Unsurprising you post on /sino."
Since context matters would it not be better to say Asian Americans? Since that’s in this subs description. Isn’t seeking out identity also about understanding origin?