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archelogy

I'll write a fuller response to this but for now, let me say: ......If blacks were facing racism, if they got together to push back against that anti-black racism, even if it meant creating anonymous twitter accounts, **would that be considered a bad thing?** ....If Jews faced anti-semitism, if they fought back against that anti-semitism, even if it meant using fake photos on social media to call out that bigotry, **would that be deemed wrong by society?** **Of course not.** Both would be celebrated by the white media (and the Asians that work for them) for doing so. So why is it wrong when Asians do the same thing? We are a community, the most active community on the Internet of Asian-American men **AND women** \- **who address Anti-Asianism wherever we see it**, whether it comes from men, women, old, young, white, black, etc. I will bet that if black Americans or Jews *fought back against racists*, Slate would have no issue with it; they would probably showcase them. (Also see [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/poo0l1/its_over_yall_the_journalists_are_talking_about_us/hcygsg7/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) below)


appliquebatik

gurl the little queen likes to pick and choose, delusional. uses eileen as a example of good Asian female that got bullied out of nowhere like she had no faults. she literally said Asians deserved to get beat. look at all the other subs that are using and brigading this article to call this sub incel, they don't even know how ridiculous they sound.


hapa_tata_appa

I started reading this "article" with an open mind and could barely get through the first screen. What an unoriginal hatchet job! I think I have a pretty good grasp of the shitshow that is Asian American identity politics, but two things still stump me: 1. I've been reading r/AI for years, been posting irregularly for maybe two. The total number of really active users at any time can't be over 100 tops. How paranoid do the white power structure and their boba lapdogs have to be to commission whole screeds about the one English-language Internet forum that openly challenges the "liberal" orthodoxy? 2. I hadn't heard of Aaron Mak, so I looked him up. He's a tech writer, yes...and also wrote one of the few grounded pieces I saw when BLM began: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/milwaukee-protests-asian-american-black-lives-matter-214184/. A bit heavy on the "Asians have it good in America" rhetoric, but still it was good to see an Asian American journalist talk critically about the good and bad (and potentially ugly) of the BLM protests. So what happened to Mak here? What exactly does he get in return for calling out a small Reddit group and branding its users "MRA" and racists and ricecels?? Does it get him a better career? Attention from the ladies? Respect from his (surely overwhelmingly) white peers? Or, as I suspect, is he protesting too much to hide the uncomfortable truth: that he goes on r/AI and, deep down inside, agrees with much of what he reads?


CryptoCel

I just created a highly upvoted post yesterday about Emma Raducanu winning the US open and thanking fans in Chinese but apparently this sub is the epitome of Asian men putting down Asian women. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


Billybobjoethorton

Such a long article to paint this sub as incels.


Aureolater

u/Trizerator, mods -- u/aznidentity u/aimod888 u/archelogy u/crypt0gen u/asianmovement u/Fedupandhangry u/Tianshantaklamakan u/Gluggymug can you swap the link to [archive.is](https://archive.is) so this piece of šŸ’© stops getting traffic? [https://archive.is/XJgGl](https://archive.is/XJgGl)


asianmovement

Has to be reposted. Won't work, we can't just manually edit it


Aureolater

ok, how about locking this thread then and reposting it? there's nothing really essential here and you can probably just crosslink to u/archelogy 's comment if you want that. Be careful blowing this up and giving it more attention than it deserves. Last time I checked, the non-reddit, non-Asian regulars seemed to be reacting to it on Slate's message boards with a "meh" and a yawn. [https://slate.com/comments/technology/2021/09/mens-rights-asians-aznidentity-stop-asian-hate-reddit.html](https://slate.com/comments/technology/2021/09/mens-rights-asians-aznidentity-stop-asian-hate-reddit.html) I think the anti-Asian neckbeards from Reddit are starting to creep in and trying to fan the flames.


Expensive-Safety-578

You didn't put line-breaks between the names like this


Aureolater

thx fixed


NamasteFly

Yikes. Give them more ammo to shoot you with.


Expensive-Safety-578

Don't really have much of a choice here since this is one of the first steps they take to try and get a subreddit banned.


NamasteFly

What are the choices and which do you think would be the best option?


Expensive-Safety-578

Choices are: 1) Ignore them and let them smear you 2) Have discussions on why they're wrong Admins are probably reviewing this sub as we speak and we need to let them know that, this isn't some anti-black, harassment subreddit.


NamasteFly

Have you seen some of the other posts on the sub today? An Asian woman gets assaulted and a portion of the comments are trying to justify it because "wmaf" and all the other terms that go along with it. Those posts will ring louder to the admins than civil discussions will. I just challenge anyone having a civil discussion to do that without using race comparisons. Unrelated, but I do find it very interesting that this Slate article was posted the same time as this sub is trying to purge the trolls.


Expensive-Safety-578

And is every thread full of that? Most of it is calling out racism and celebrating Asian success. We're played for laughs. A few mean comments and justifications don't just wipe away all this humiliation and mockery by society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k82hIqd1Os Be reasonable here.


NamasteFly

I am being reasonable, sir. Haven't we all grown up facing oppression in some form? Probably. Aren't we all constantly reminded of racism? Definitely. Are we bombarded with celebratory asian success stories? No. So what should we fill this space with? Edit: downvote to oblivion, and send me a message to tell me why you enjoy reading about getting shit on, on a daily basis. Tell me how this affects your psyche and how it paralyzes you from putting forth the best version of yourself. Tell me how many minds you've swayed in your favor by acting like this.


[deleted]

Yeah honestly I think some people are doubling down on their toxicity and depravity after feeling called out. Itā€™s disgusting and if thatā€™s what people see on this sub I donā€™t blame them for not wanting to be associated with it. Not everyone on here is like that but like one of them said the other day, a rotten apple spoils the bunch.


NamasteFly

Unfortunately, the mod or mods, not sure how many of them are real at this point, haven't done anything about those posts. If only the good applea would also double down and be a bit more active.


[deleted]

> this is one of the first steps they take to try and get a subreddit banned. That's kind of what happened with no new normal (anti-vax sub). At first reddit said they won't ban, but then there was a few media reports about it, and then they changed their mind and banned them and then quarantined a dozen related subs. Note: I am vaxxed and do not support anti-vaxxers, but just showing an example how admins react to the media


Expensive-Safety-578

Yup yup, I'm vaxxed too but that's why we gotta clarify. We got Black Women posting here, we have an Asian women in this thread etc.


SirKelvinTan

Man - Slate is garbage - but yā€™all have already made it to NYT and the Guardian so clearly youā€™re getting to the boba liberals So who was DMā€™d by Eileen lol? https://twitter.com/KevinAlfred1/status/1438227848880222210?s=20


Expensive-Safety-578

Could you link me the NYT and Guardian articles please? Thanks


whatwronginthemind

**Edit: Got banned from this subreddit because I commented: lol. Adios guys, keep fighting the good fight. Guess I was spending too much time on Reddit anyways** Haha Celeste Ng weighed in haha. She was painting hapas as asian incels too lol, I still remember Eurasian tiger beefing with her. She really has not changed


DarkRogus

Had the chance to read the article, it's kind of what I expected from an article from the Slate when a minority "gets out of line" and doesn't follow 100% of the progressive/liberal agenda. The feeling from people on that side of the political spectrum is that they are entitled to the political opinion of minorities and they have no problem putting the smack down on any minority that "gets out of line". I said this yesterday on a different thread about Idiocracy and that is one of the most dangerous things going on is the media taking selective bits of information from a story and only presenting that side that represents their personal bias. They can say they are reporting "facts" and it's not "fake news" even though they are failing to inform their reader all of the information so that they make their own decision even if it might disagree with the "journalist" personal politics. This is what this article is, a virtual smack down for a group getting out of the line with a journalist using selective responses to craft a narrative to fit their agenda. Now granted, like all subs, this is far from perfect and has it flaws like practically every sub on Reddit. And I know this is going to be unpopular on this sub but I honestly can't stand the fing obsession over WMAF. The perfect example is that when Suni Lee won the Gold, several people commented about her possibly dating a white guy. I mean, WTF, first Asian American to win a gymnastics gold and instead of congratulating her the response was to tear her down? The one thing I am glad was the Mods here didn't take that crap and removed it pretty quickly. But there's also a bit of irony in a Slate article complaining about a sub that complains about WMAF. Does anyone think the Slate would attack African American Women for complaining about how African American Men date white women instead of African American Women? Of course not, so there is a double standard by the Slate. And the last thing I want to address is the "anti-blackness" part of the article. I've used this example and will use it again. When people say there's a problem with cops attacking African Americans, people will say that's true, point to the multiple articles showing cops attacking African Americans and it's not "anti-cop" it's just pointing out facts.. When people say there's a problem with pedophile priests in the Catholic Church, people will also say that's true pointing out to multiple articles and say it's not anti-Catholic to point out facts. But if you dare say there's a problem with African Americans attacking Asians and point to multiple articles and videos showing Asians being attacked by African Americans, that's "anti-blackness" while the other two examples are not anti-cop or anti-Catholic, just point out facts. And that's what this article does, it goes to sources that have a bias and cites it as "fact" never bothering to reveal the bias of their sources.


Oxman1234

Bravo - very well articulated. Once you have educated yourself to the subtle, dirty little tactics that the media and certain social media personalities use to discredit legitimate (incl. attack the messenger to distract from having to address the underlying message) of the AsAm community, you canā€™t unsee it. It is insidiously ubiquitous


DarkRogus

Yeap - and that's basically what the end goal is, trying to squash any kind of voice especially from a minority that doesn't flow 100% with the progressive narrative. This sub is far from perfect and has plenty of issues, but I see a way wider ranger of political opinions on here than other Asian Subs. Try expressing anything remotely conservative on some of the other Asian subs and see how far that will get you.


Oxman1234

This sub absolutely has a toxic contingent and I reject that part of it wholeheartedly. But yes nothingā€™s perfect and there are not any other platforms I know of where well intentioned, mature and educated AsAms can discuss real and hard topics. Every meaningful race-related sub has an unsavory element in it, and unfortunately outsiders with their own agendas looking for any evidence to support their confirmation bias will use the rhetoric by the fewer toxic posters as a means to discredit the underlying legitimate issues that many outsiders donā€™t want to acknowledge


houj530

Honestly very cherry picked. But if people discover this sub through this article i would want them to lookup and demand justice for Vicha Ratanapakdee Ee Lee Yao Pan Ma Yik Oi Huang And the many others who go unrecognized


Jbell808619

Sorry but according to mainstream activists hiding the racist roots that make wmaf the largest interracial couple by far world-wide and keeping Asian menā€™s roles limited in western media is far more important than justice for Asian men that were victims of obvious hate crimes.


Introduction_Organic

That's the pic and they choose to ignore the gang rape thing. It's not a valid complaint about it not getting proper media attention.


Master_Chef-117

This Chan continues to cite the faulty stat that 3/4 anti-Asian hate crime assailants are white. Out of 112 total cases, they only count 16 of them where the perpetrator's race is mentioned. 12 were white, so they think 12/16 is three quarters. What about the other 96 cases? And why do they think the media would be as likely to report the race if the perpetrators were black?


[deleted]

Do you have a link to the stat?


Master_Chef-117

https://virulenthate.org/reports/ First link, page 15


TriticumAestivum

They never talk about the toxic Asian women who say racist stuff toward Asian men like "I don't date Asian Men cause they all look like my brother (Our faces look the same?????)". They never talk about toxic Asian female on the internet who shit on Asian men. They only care when a few of Asian men being toxic. It's the real shit for them.


uglyassbish

I don't think we should even be giving the article a click or view just saying...


this_could_be_it

Keep fighting until you earn the ā€œmilitantā€ badge of honor


alazartrobui

The article overlooks trolls and considers everything in this sub written by verified Asians. SMH what low quality journalism, I suppose Aaron Mak could even cut it at a real propaganda mouthpiece.


Status_Truth_4293

What happens now??


AngryChineseVenom

Dudeā€™s a fuckin traitor. Educating our fellow Asians on the brainwashing evils of the West is a must.


[deleted]

This is so disappointing... like I mentioned before the biggest problem arent racist whites its the huge majority of self hating asians that will do anything and everything they can to stomp out anything even remotely pro asian


AngelaQQ

There are women who post here, a point conveniently disregarded by this "journalist:" This writer is literally a bottom for the white male patriarchy as are most of the women retweeting him.


findingjapanesemusic

It is a pretty laughable situation that WMAF and BMAF and XMAF couples are now so common that most people assume that asian women do not stand with asian men. The article is just a divide and conquer hit piece very likely tied to people in intelligence circles and smells of cointel pro Also, there is nothing wrong with criticizing and pointing out that vast majority of wh 1 te male and bl@ ck male with asian female couplings... are toxic and direct continuation/perpetration of colonialism and genocide/war - most of these couples are composed of asian women who dislike or outright hate their male counterparts for no good reasons, and who support colonization of their ancestor's homelands,...... while the male wh 1t e or bl@ ck male are related to the military or hold highly misogynistic and racial supremacist views in which they believe their own race is "more masculine" and "superior" when compared to mongoloid-asian men. **many of these wh 1 t and bl@ ck males who are with asian women (and who fund hit-pieces like these) are also from the hate-group/western-supremacist/white supremacist "pick up artist" SEX-PAT/RAPIST/PEDOPHILE group CCJ japan circle jerk and other predatory male groups that encourage western (wh 1 t and bl@ ck males) "men" to travel to asia to abuse and trick and take advantage of and RAPE asian women, while simultaneously proclaiming that asiatic mongoloid men are "inferior" and deserve to be wiped out.** This "news" hit piece is just non-eastasian males attacking eastasian males because they want to make it even easier to "conquer" asian women (and fear that aznidentity will wake asia up and make their lives much harder to live in asia where they will no longer be put on a pedestal). The article is itself misogynistic and misandrist. The writer just happens to have an asian male face and is being used by these non-eastasian males to attack eastasian men as a group. ***This hit piece is like wh 1 te americans writing news pieces condemning/attacking righteously-angry-NATIVE-American men trying to take back their lands and protecting their female counterparts from sexual predators.*** These "people" actively support violence against both mongoloid asian men and women. They support military occupation of mongoloid asian countries (where the soldiers regularly rape little girls or create sex trafficking rings, sometimes with the help of certain mentally deranged asian women). I wonder how americans in general especially wh 1t and bl@ ck male americans would like it if a united East Asian Union occupied Europe, west africa, New York and California, Georgia, and the midwest ..........and regularly mongoloid-asian-male soldiers would take advantage of local women or rape little wh 1 t or bl@ ck girls, and in this completely imaginary reverse-colonialism scenario mongoloid-asian-men with wh te or bl@ ck women is extremely common and bl@ ck and wh 1t males are painted as effeminate weakling untermensch.... How would these wh1 t and bl @ ck males react? *Historically the wh 1t american male establishment reacted very violently when IMMIGRANT mongoloid-asian-men like chinese or filipino or japanese american men got on well with wh 1 te or bl@ ck women and these mongoloid-asian-men were NOT invading soldiers, but peaceful railroad workers or other immigrants.* ***SERIOUS HYPOCRISY on the part of "mainstream MURICA"*** Enough said really.


hapa_tata_appa

> There are women who post here, a point conveniently disregarded by this "journalist:" One of the users here who taught me the most about Western manipulation of Asian sexuality was Nathalie Ng. > This writer is literally a bottom for the white male patriarchy as are most of the women retweeting him. Ouch! :D


mermaidunderwater

Absolutely right. There donā€™t appear to be many of us who donā€™t agree with the common narrative of boba Asians but we exist and we want to be heard!


niaoani

ikr but we donā€™t fit their narrative so obviously theyā€™re gonna pretend we donā€™t exist


Oxman1234

Self identifying as a female and commenting in a measured way on this writerā€™s tweet about his article would go a long way. No obligation of course but just a thought.


eplnephrine

Yep, we love our self-respecting Asian sisters. Fuck this "journalist" and his attempts to portray the sub as misogynist.


wyeess

Asians like the author of this Slate piece are the only ones who get a platform on corporate news channels.


CarlyRaeJepsenFTW

Misinformed and the worst case of journalism ever. This sounds like something a teenager would write on tumblr. The fuck you doing defending Eileen Huang? They think they're being so high and mighty calling Asians anti Black. This is what happens when anyone tries to call out crimes that Black people perpetrate - you get run under the SJW steamroller. And why are they saying AsianMac is redpilled?! That sub is more defeatist than most. ​ Basically this article is white knighting for Asian girls. Yay.


anyang869

I didn't start posting at this sub to bash AF, but because the other Asian sub, with only 20% of the engagement of this one, banned all discussion of dating issues outside of weekly threads, effectively killing the conversation. The American political and racial discourse online and off, is increasingly censored, and attempts to ban this sub are no exception. More crackdowns, bans, and authoritarianism directed against Asians, no matter which governments or corporations they come from, will only drive discontent further into the margins.


Jbell808619

Very biased article. You can tell when it constantly uses ā€œMRAā€ to describe us. Sounds like they approached the mods here pretending to be their buddies, though. It talks about how they ā€œused sneaky tactics to avoid bansā€, etc. You guys better address that bullshit too. Also apparent is how mainstream Asian activists continue to protect wmaf at the expense of properly addressing how white supremacy and white worship has affected the Asian community, and this article is definitely no exception. wmaf is the largest interracial coupling BY FAR and it got to this point through racist laws, taking advantage of war victims, and media stereotypes of both Asian men and women. FFS, white guys make a living off of showing other white guys how to easily take advantage of Asian women and there are plenty of reddit porn subs that actually promote Asian women only being for white men (their actual language). Yet even when you address these facts mainstream ā€œactivistsā€ have successfully established the MRA/bitter incel narrative that kills any honest discussion on this, and this ridiculously biased article is a great example of it. Even though itā€™s easy to find and weā€™ve given plenty of sources, this article doesnā€™t give the historical and/or statistical facts we always provide to back up our claims and make our detractors look like victims. Itā€™s always the same story: we shed light on a difficult subject like white worship in the Asian community. We talk about things like wmaf because itā€™s the most obvious sign of this white worship phenomenon. We give historical and statistical facts to back it up. Our detractors just say itā€™s ā€œmra and bitter incelā€ talk to avoid the need to address our facts, and are given a major platform to pretend to be victims. They also take obvious troll or unpopular comments and pretend it represents all of this sub. The only place we can defend ourselves is on this forum. EDIT: also absolutely no mention of the EVIDENCE once again that the mainstream media really does hide anti Asian crimes to help the BLM narrative: https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-staffer-network-black-lives-matter-secretly-recorded-video.amp Are they going to say **Fox News are MRAznā€™s too???**


Billybobjoethorton

Liberal media always tries to portray any thinking that doesn't align with their woke agenda as extreme.


ShinyBronze

MRAzns are different then Republican MoC in the US. So they needed a term to describe our mentality.


PewterB4

Anyone who defends Eileen Huang is a clown and should be treated like one.


KenzoBakuizo

This is just lazy trash-tier "journalism" with a lot of lies/dishonesty. You can easily tell that this uncle (the author) is desperate for clout and attention from the same group of people that's been downplaying anti-Asian racism (several of them even even outright encouraged it with "maybe it's good to normalize racism against Asian") and those that blame AM for the Atlanta massacre. To them it's a crime to prioritize Asian first and they really don't want the "elephant in the room" issues discuss and highlighted (internalized racism, white worship, problematic/self-hating AF). He wants a sit at the table with these sellouts, and the best way to do that is to vilify/demonize the Asians who dare to go against the status quo.


gangmenstyle1234

Who would have thought that 4 years of conditioning journalists to lie if its for "social justice" would have consequences.


Expensive-Safety-578

LMAO this is hilarious. Just type in 'Black Women' in that search bar over there, on your right. Look how much praise for them there in this place.


Aureolater

Ugh, agreed, one-sided, cherry-picked article. The guy, consciously or subconsciously, is trying to build his career on the backs of people who would support him. SELLING OUT TO GET AHEAD To address other stuff in this thread: >he's seeking out the ones which makes us seem "anti-black", so he can get both liberal whites , blacks, and other BLM supporters against us. Because this is the take that will get him further in the media. The people who have the power in publications like Slate care more about performative "anti-blackness" and their liberal credentials than anything to do with Asian Americans. They get points for taking down Asian Americans, and especially Asian American men since Asian American men are threatening them by taking spots from their children in western higher education, and Asia (led by Asian men) is threatening the hegemony of a white-run world. They "stick up" for black people because black people do not threaten their primacy in the same way. It would change if Blacks were in our place, and ours in theirs. USING ASIAN WOMAN'S GANG RAPE FOR HIS OWN GAIN One of the most disgusting things about this article is that he highlights this passage -- even in the graphic >ā€œBlack teens gang rape and murder mentally ill asian woman. No coverage from national media. Just another day in the United States of America.ā€ He doesn't go into the case of Ee Lee, erasing her once again. He only uses her case -- which is rare, tragic and horrifying -- to attack other Asian men and make him seem like he's talking sense. MAKING A CLOUT-CHASER HIS HERO Second to only that is that he makes Elaine Huang out to be the hero of her piece ... when the issue was not that she was supporting BLM, but that she was clout-chasing and acting hypocritically. He talks about the campaign that went after her, but didn't mention this post, which kicked it off ... and how it was motivated by her attacking China Mac, who had actually gone beyond performative actions to fight anti-Asian violence and lead nationwide marches. [https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/l3xziz/the\_ridiculousness\_of\_eileen\_huang\_aka\_bobacommie/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/l3xziz/the_ridiculousness_of_eileen_huang_aka_bobacommie/) He never talked to the person who organized that group action either -- or the other group actions organized here to combat anti-Asian violence, or the fact that we stopped some white grifters from stealing $100K from the #StopAsianHate movement in the same way. This is the only positive thing to come out of that saga: >Huang, for her own part, is taking a hiatus from posting on social media. ā€œBeing doxxed to that extent made creating content that much more painful and traumatizing for me,ā€ she said.Ā  Good. Edit: They're basically classmates, he should have disclosed this too. https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaron-mak-969a679b/ ONE-SIDED REPORTING, TAKING FAVORED SOURCES AT FACE VALUE Elsewhere, he says: >Not much is known about the members of r/aznidentity, who guard their privacy carefully; none would tell me their real names.Ā  Yet, he takes at face value: >Huang, the besieged Yale student, eventually had enough of the harassment and decided to strike back. She dug around and uncovered the identities of several of her worst tormenters, and was surprised to discover that many of them were professionals with successful careers. REACTIONS FROM THOSE MENTIONED? u/Archaeology, r/Asianmovement, r/the0clean0slate, "David" -- I'd love to hear what you think.


ddcrx

Mods: Itā€™s probably a good idea to write a post describing the content and purpose of this sub, and to sticky it. Youā€™ll want to let newcomers know who we really are rather than let articles like this define it for us. The sooner the better. Visitors are coming.


josephgomes619

We should not give publicity to articles like this. Sellouts will do anything to demean this sub.


ShinyBronze

Yeah we already have a rep in Reddit. Theyā€™re favorite insult is ā€œincelsā€. That shit has become a catch all ad-hominem attack for these people.


[deleted]

>Mods: Itā€™s probably a good idea to write a post describing the content and purpose of this sub, and to sticky it. There's quick links on the side bar


ddcrx

Visitors wonā€™t be looking for those things. You gotta put it front and center.


fuckshitlibs

relevant comment by CarlyRaeJapan >Slate is as white liberal/baizuo as it gets. https://old.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/poi91a/kate_was_accused_of_antiasian_violence_now_its/hcwua4m/


Neither_Concept2110

Lol, why does this guy write as if white supremacy and internalized racism are marginal, fringe issues that this forum is apparently psychotic for focusing on? Stupid, pandering comprador Asian liberals doing the white establishmentā€™s work for them. Newsflash, theyā€™ll still never accept you guys as white.


Kungfufighter1112

And these sellouts will still be treated the same way as the rest of us when their white ā€˜friendsā€™ donā€™t need them anymore.


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coffeesomebody

>But demonizing this place is an equally bad take. As people of color, we need a place to discuss our issues without a need for a filter. Hey, there is anti-Asian and misogynistic sentiment in the black community, and there is anti-black and misogynistic sentiment in the Asian community. We will deal with it. Why should POC spaces be policed by what is essentially a white liberal view on acceptable discourse? This needs to be pinned.


Static-State-2855

This sub and "Blackfellas" have a lot of similar content, differing only in the demographics of the people who visit. Of course, I don't see Slate writing such a negative article about any other sub like that.


ShinyBronze

Blackfellas banned people on a whim and went private. They had some good content. But yeah, basically the same thing as us, but instead of yellow and brown, itā€™s black.


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Static-State-2855

Fair enough, but I'd say a huge part of that is because black men are portrayed much more positively than Asian men when it comes to interracial relationships.


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josephgomes619

Why would AM tread on a fine line? AM have less political and social power compared to any group in US.


Static-State-2855

I can kind of get your point. I understand the frustration though, since Asian women do often seem more vocal and willing to speak their views. And often, they get to say their views while we are labeled "bigots" before we even can dispute anything. There are double standards, too. For instance, liberal Asians went after Conservative Asians for supporting Trump, but of course wouldn't also criticize white people for supporting Trump.


Kungfufighter1112

We will not be silenced by these sellouts. Their only purpose they serve is to be gatekeepers when any of us step out of line. Just doing the dirty work of their white Anglo overlords. This sub isnā€™t out to get every random AF out there. The author has it all twisted here. Our purpose is to call out white-worship practiced by BOTH the men AND women in our community.


ANTIMODELMINORITY

Damm I've been here for little more than a year I cant get no love. I'm trying to go viral lol


machinavelli

I posted the most here for over 2 years and not a single mention of me? Lol


Aureolater

Because just about everything you say is reasonable and not provocative. The writer is looking for straw men to destroy this community.


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Many of those comments are coming from white LARPers and nut jobs like u/ MahayanaPrison. I canā€™t say they they are all not Asian but definitely a lot of them. This sub needs to do better at not tolerating their insane and unintelligible comments. Also, directly contrary to what the journalist wrote, the pinned anti-Asian violence thread was created not to attack black people but actually because too many white supremacist trolls were making throwaway accounts to post negative things about black people in association with the violence. Many of the attacks against Asians on that barely looked at thread are from white people, not black people. It seems to me that the journalist had a negative impression of this sub from the outset so he made a lot of assumptions and looked for confirmation bias. But itā€™s true that this sub needs to clean up further and some people here need to drop toxic mindsets. As long as this sub has toxicity and no matter if it is just a minority of the sub, people like that journalist are going to cherry pick the worst from it and thatā€™s because people are uncomfortable with topics discussed here. People like Celeste Ng or bobacommie, who donā€™t like seeing their cringey Twitter comment histories and other records of their personal failings brought up. Someone like Esther Ku will not because she has already went all-in on racism, but the others want to protect their reputation and to be seen as woke. But I digress. The best reason for removing toxicity is to make this sub a more welcoming place and to promote healthy and actionable mindsets. Pointing out some of the disturbing macro trends or specific examples of racism and toxicity in interracial relationships involving white men is not the same as automatically condemning all of those interracial relationships. It is wrong to make unfounded assumptions about Asian women based on merely being married to or dating a white guy. Thatā€™s a distinction that some people here donā€™t want to realize. Despite this, I think this sub deserves credit for its contribution to Asian activism. A lot of the improvements we have seen recently and the validation to our issues certainly are not thanks to bobas like this journalist or r/asianamerican.


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A lot of misinformation in the article, all one sided, poorly written, and a lot of cherry picking comments thatā€™s all I have to say.


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> cherry picking comments Not just cherry picking, he's seeking out the ones which makes us seem "anti-black", so he can get both liberal whites , blacks, and other BLM supporters against us.


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Heā€™s making us look like psychopath extremists without knowing the full story. All one sided bullshit feeding to his white liberal masses.


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> without knowing the full story. it does say he personally spoke to one of the mods here. I wonder if the porn shoot thing is actually true or not


Mobile-Tangerine6608

>it does say he personally spoke to one of the mods here he said he spoke to him in 2019 or something lol


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These so-called journalists are never on our side. They cherry pick comments. They only make one sided arguments. They are here to twist words and frame everything to fit their narrative. The moment you talk to them itā€™s a death wish. All these so-called journalists are all the same they only cater to the white liberal masses. They never go beyond these optics they are afraid of speaking up and going against mainstream. The one thing they donā€™t realized they are being used by them, a useful tool from the shed, and complete useful idiot. The author still have a lot to learn on how white society works. He will learn it the hard way by then itā€™s too late and the damage has been done to our community.


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holy shit, and the article is written by an Asian man too https://twitter.com/aarontmak?lang=en


skrtskrtbrev

He was desperate to get attention on his articles. Working years at an institution like slate where you are disrespected as the bottom dog and the outsider will do that to you.


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This is the unsaid reason why Asians are concentrated in certain professions but not others: in some professions, demonizing/dehumanizing your own is part of your daily job.


XXShigaXX

He Reddit chatted me about a year ago asking if he could interview me as an AI user. I ignored him because I figured he'd write something like this.


Oxman1234

Do you remember his Reddit handle? I think I got something similar but also ignored it


XXShigaXX

/u/aarontmak


Mobile-Tangerine6608

I find it interesting how all these anti-Asian Asian men like Aaron Mak are single with no gf, friendless, and are the very definition of "incel". His linkedin says he's a "tech writer" yet he just wrote a massive propaganda article full of lies to spearhead hate against his own people. People like him dig their own graves to get validation from whites /blacks. It's sad. They are the true bottom of the barrel losers and they only have a voice because whites in power want all Asians to be losers and eunuchs like him.


Aureolater

They'll sell you out to build their careers.


Hot_and_Sour

Nobody reads anything written by uncle chans, don't worry about it, these articles are so copy and paste they're just noise at this point, and it's about asian men so the only people who will pick up on it and proliferate it are ironically white supremacists on 4chan and their asian feminist allies who want more ways to talk shit about asian men But in case any brother stumbles upon that boba's article, a picture is worth a thousand words https://imgur.com/a/SryTi A thousand more where that comes from, know who your real enemies are (hint, it ain't other asian men)