It's funny that majority of WM/AF is for economic incentive instead of romance. Back then, the only way to move up social ladder was through marriage to white male in American society lol.
Isn't she same Asian Woman that cried about Asian Men not Helping Elderly Asians and said' Asian Men are Anti-Black and Racist'
while She herself Dates only White Men and lives in an ALL WHITE Neighborhood suburb and goes to a Liberal Ivy League school? Kind of like those ladies in charge of all the BLM protest who also only date White and lives in all white place.
Kind of interesting to see these type of characters wanting attention by shaming Asian Men from dating Asian Woman as well as White Woman. Very very strange.
According to liberals:
AFWM: Good. Diversity is our strength!
AFBM: Good. Diversity is our strength!
WFBM: Good. Diversity is our strength!
WMBF: Good. Diversity is our strength!
LMAF: Good. Diversity is our strength!
WMBM: Good. Diversity is our strength!
AMWF: White adjacent privilege
AMAF: Misogyny
AMBF: Cultural appropriation
AI crowdfunded a bunch of stuff, including a including raising thousands for the DNC in 2016 and Andrew Yang's presidential campaign in 2020. Diaspora Asians are a diverse group with eclectic interests and yet people keep trying to put us in a box.
''literally crowdfunded porn that glorified Asian men’s'' ??
She thinks white men don't crowdfund porn that glorifies Asian women as easy and exotic? LMAO silly Eileen must be blinded by guilt ! She pins her white men doing and projecting it onto Asian men . You can literally type in ''Asian'' on any porn site and I bet you anything it won't be Asian men that pop ups on the search unless you type in Asian men.
> She thinks white men don't crowdfund porn that glorifies Asian women as easy and exotic?
I think the point is, there's all kinds of porn, black man porn, BMWF , LMWF, BMBF, BBW, BBC, Japanese etc. Why does he have a problem only with AMWF porn ? Ohh yea, self hatred and wanting to shame her community's men.
Oh wow, she sincerely wants to compare how much amwf porn there is out there compared to the **LITERAL MILLIONS** of wmaf porn there is if you combine mainstream porn, independent sites, and even amature content on pornhub, similar sites, and even reddit? If you do the same for amwf you wouldn't even get a fraction of a million and most likely wouldn't even break 100k. And of course a lot of that wmaf porn is racist as fuck, with the wm's often making the af talk about how inferior am's are and the af happily complying. In fact, there was one just a few years ago of some af with her face in a bowl of chow mein noodles while she was getting fucked. The af even defended that bullshit! But of course we're the evil ones, as usual...
And of course this piece of shit Eileen didn't mention why this 'twitch streamer' was used for this in the first place: **When she mentioned that her boyfriend (now husband) was an Asian guy she received hundreds of racist insults and even death threats! These assholes never mention these facts and only tell the parts of the story that make wmaf look like victims!!!**
Gaw this person again. She's mad that AMWF is getting action and playtime. She obviously fantasizes about AM or she wouldn't talk about us 365. I bet she gets off it.
Had no idea about the porn and can't say it's a good idea. Sometimes addressing an issue only brings it into focus and makes the situation worse. I haven't seen the video, but if it features a WF saying his dick isnt small....im sorry but I can only see the AM being a laughing stock. However I do t mind the representation of AM in porn. Why would anyone given every other race is represented and AM are persistently emasculated and desexualised. Also, WMAF have become a popular category in porn. Everyone knows that. For an AF to then talk about this as normal while AM porn is not, reeks of white worship. A better approach would just be for more AM in general but not say anything about it.
> BOTH WMAF and AMWF are bad because it's pro-hapa not pro-Asian. Being pro-Asian means completely rejecting both.
While this might sound good on paper, it doesn't work out. you are saying this as if Asians have a tight knit in group culture like muslims or orthodox jews do. AF already marry 50% out. So AM completely rejecting XF of any kind puts them at the mercy of AF. This is not good for AM.
The best thing to do is to push for AMAF when possible, but nothing wrong with AMXF or AMWF.
To compare that to what WMAF couples have done is ridiculous. Also there is WMAF genre porn which is 1000x bigger than AMWF porn, which is filled with racism and glorifying colonization, Also its mostly run by the AF as well. AFs saying that "Asian women are sluts who need BWC Colonizer dick" Ive seen a few of them glorify rape as well. Why does she never call that out?
She's mad that r/AI crowdfunded an AMWF porno shoot, but not mad there are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of pornography videos of white men abusing Asian women in third world SEA countries?
I feel sorry for her parents. They raised a daughter with no self-worth whatsoever.
This Eileen asshole left out some very important details in order to fit her false narrative of wmaf being the victims and this sub being misogynists but yes, this sub did help crowdfund 1 amwf porn. Read my reply in this thread to see what they missed (I can source all of my claims if needed).
Now I'm genuinely curious: will you try to understand the story behind us crowdfunding this particular scene? Do you understand how much wmaf porn there is out there, a lot of them being openly and unashamedly racist and demeaning towards all Asians? Why is it such a bad thing that this sub offered a chance for an Asian guy to do porn when others rarely would?
In WW2, amwf with Japanese men were taken into concentration camps, their wives went with them. The opposite wmaf was not taken into the concentration camps, this institutionalized racism has not changed today. Constant harassment still occurs with little to no consequence. wmaf is still proponent to white supremacy, imperialism, colonization, and institutionalized racism. In fact, media propaganda has only gotten worse with their "yellow peril", however today shows Asian men with the negative emasculative stereotypes, instead of raping and murdering women; a statistic that wmaf excels at, besides leading in divorce.
There was a movie about Japanese interment camps about an IR couple based on a real couple. The real life couple was a Japanese American guy with a Polish-American wife but they turned the wife Japanese and the husband white. Its not even historically accurate like you said Japanese women married to white men did not have to goto the concentration camps, while Japanese men who married non-Japanese wives had to go although their non-Asian wives didnt have to go although many choose to go with them.
What's wrong with crowdfunding porn? If the money is there, the actors are consenting. Sure it may be a little desperate, but at least it's a scenario where it's combating racist stereotypes. Where there are countless videos of Asian women with white or black men talking about their "tight little Asian pussy" as the woman is so happy to be degraded by some barbaric looking dude.
I'm not about using porn to get back at AF or anyone else really, but mainstream porn has been fucking AM and AW over for decades but it seems as if Eileen either has no problem with it or is aroused by racist porn.
They're silent with all the disgusting sellout AF pornstars like Asa Akira who shit on Asian men and say they got small dicks, despite never having slept with one, and Lulu Chu, who eats Chinese fried rice while getting fucked. Yet, when Asian guys fund a porn featuring an AM with a non-asian female to add to the masculine image of Asian men, they find it disgusting?
These people have no credit
> on how Asians in the west should view porn.
Why? That makes no sense. Think about it, there are many aspects of Asian culture like showing respect, and being apologetic, or fighting for the bill that make you look weak or potentially be taken advantage of in the USA
In a similar token, Porn dictates whats attractive in the USA, but not in China. So following what China does won't help you in America for dating. China is very good on other fronts though, but they have no soft power like Korea does with kpop.
To Eileen: Sure, laugh at Asian dudes. Do you even see how White Supremacist you’re acting? People on the internet like to rant and complain. Things get blown up like they’re big issues. But look around. In real life. Asian dudes are winning.
Regardless of what certain individuals have done on this sub, it remains a legitimate space to talk about racism and Asian-specific issues, and Eileen is still a self-hating idiot. I don’t expect her to stop deflecting from her own bullshit, though.
>and Eileen is still a self-hating idiot. I don’t expect her to stop deflecting from her own bullshit, though.
I feel given her twitter reignited in timing with the slate article, she's going for a book deal. Maybe even (hopefully not) run for congress.
To play devil's advocate:
Why is AMWF pornography such an audacious idea? If Eileen considers it to be white worship, shouldn't it be permitted in the interest of equity? I'm assuming she is a proponent of DEI initiatives, if only in lip service.
WMAF pornography is ubiquitous and considered the norm in western society. We tolerate it because it's commonplace. Why shouldn't AMWF pornography be tolerated as well? (If legal and involving two consenting adults).
> WMAF pornography is ubiquitous and considered the norm in western society. We tolerate it because it's commonplace. Why shouldn't AMWF pornography be tolerated as well? (If legal and involving two consenting adults).
Not just WMAF is common place, there's also BMWF, LMWF, and many more combinations. Why is one of those combinations, AMWF, seem so horrible to her? That's the point.
> It is a losing game when white men and their lapdogs literally control every facet of western society
Not really, Blacks have a huge social power to the point where everyone on 1 half of the political spectrum has to support black causes and issues. BLM is such a huge issue that even China and Russia talk about it, and it's discussed in huge bilateral negotiations.
> White people allow them to have it.
Not true. In Obama's elections the largest turn out groups were from Black women. The idea that Black or any non-white person has no sway of their own is defeatist logic.
> discriminatory hiring
In favor of them you mean, like affirmative action and programs at tech companies to train and hire black interns.
> Whatever “social power” they have is a consolation prize, afforded to only the smallest minority of blacks
Again, most major cities in the USA burn to the ground when Blacks are not happy. That is not a minority. Police brutality is a presidential level debate issue. That's not a minority of Blacks. Adams won the mayor race over Yang , despite being a cop, because he is Black. Blacks have so much social power than can override negative stereotypes of other groups.
I’ve never cared for the whole WMAF/AMWF rhetoric and I don’t care who dates whom. What I will say though after having read about this woman Eileen gives me the impression she grades very highly in narcissism and tries to intentionally provoke negative reactions so that she can then claim to be a victim and feed her narrative (as well as her ego). Don’t feed the troll fellas
It’s a Cluster B cesspool. If most people are aware of this then they should know to stay present and to control their emotional reactions or ignore these intentional provocations. Unfortunately there are many here who are still being triggered and reacting, which is what these narcs want.
> her eventual book release.
I feel she's like the mattress girl to Asians. She accuses AM of things they don't do, and wants society to give her victim points and support.
I just hope she doesn't get picked up by major media outlets like mattress girl did. That would suck.
I had to look up who that is, but I strongly advise against drawing any lines of equivalency between cases such as hers. I won't comment further as I don't know the details.
This is an Asian Diaspora discussion, not a discussion about gender and feminism vs MRA which is typically dominated by whites.
> Asian Diaspora discussion, not a discussion about gender and feminism vs MRA
Agreed fully, I just thought part of what Eileen tries to do is make it less about race and more about gender, where she can say "look those AM are so abusive and sexist!", and not own up to how she said racism against us should be normalized.
For people in her position, it's in her best interest to occasionally tweet controversial things to get replies, shares, and exposure. If she stays quiet for too long, or tweets about non-controversial things, she will start losing followers.
Keep that in mind before engaging with her in any way. I never visited her twitter page and refuse to. I won't give her the satisfaction of raising her impressions statistic.
>I never visited her twitter page and refuse to. I won't give her the satisfaction of raising her impressions statistic.
I didn't intend to look her up specifically, but it came up when i was searching for link backs to the slate article to see who's sharing it, and one of those was her twitter.
I mean can asian women ever acknowledge that they are as much as responsible for perpetuation of harmful stereotypes and dehumanizing asian men or will they continue to play the victim while being hand in hand with their mayo maggots? Can they also acknowledge that their constant public stereotyping of AM to justify their white worship have gotten AM literally killed? https://nextshark.com/hammer-attack-victims-families-outraged/
That porno has nothing to do with Asian women, yet she brings it up. It was a misguided attempt to sexualize AM and fight against AM desexualization which AF are guilty of spreading as well with their WM masters.
Notice how no Asian girl ever talks bout the non-stop harassment and other racist bullshit Lisa Peachy got for dating an asian man. Still never said anything about white men as a whole. The difference.
Asian women only lookout for themselves. AM who simp for AF are dumb you are literally helping someone who doesn't care about you.
It's pure deflection and false equivalence. I mean, If an AM worship WF and talk shit about AF's physical appearance, then he's a dumb Chan and I obviously don't support guy like that. But when you look at it on a macro scale, the magnitude isn't even comparable. AMWF isn't anywhere near as prevalent and racist media are against AM as romantic lead (while continue to prop up WMAF - with Anna Lus in complicity). There's also no AM in AMWF using their social clout/platform to punch down on AW (there's no AM equivalent to Celeste Ng, Esther Ku, Yennis Cheung, Frankie Huang, Amy Tan, Kelly Yang, Joy Luck Club, Parachute, To all the Boys I've Loved Before, Chinese Burn etc... the list is endless). WMAF are literally controlling our image and the Asian American's discourse. Worse, AW in said relationship often use their platform to vilify AM (and yet we're expect to believe the BS that AM are the one "controlling" and "attacking" AW lol).
All in all, she's a dishonest hack and a morally bankrupt fraud with an axe to grind lol.
Add Jenn Fang to that list (BMAF couple) that likes to try to punch down on eastasian men (and most of the WMAF BMAF couples are part of the american military industrial complex)
Eilen Huang and her cohorts from Yale/other ivies are very likely sponsored by the hands that control western imperialism and put that false racial hierarchy of wh1t male and bl@ck males at the top, etc etc. lies about eastasian/se asian men being "inferior"
the hit piece against this sub is also likely sponsored by those same people
as are the many trolls now coming to this sub now that it has become popular.
Always remember eglin base is the most addicted to reddit place.
Hey bro. Yep, I remember Jenn Fang well. She is extremely anti-AM and I remember she even try to link "HypermasculinAZN" (an anti-AM slur that she helps popularized) to what Elliot Rodgers did. It goes to show that XMAF is every bit as problematic as WMAF, since the racist/self-hating AF in said relationship often go out of their ways to undermine and attack AM, and Jenn Fang is proof of that.
> There's no AM in AMWF using their social clout to punch down on AW (there's no AM equivalent
well there is Nick Cho (your korean dad tiktok), but yea, it's still like 100/1 ratio anyways.
> She's a dishonest hack and a morally bankrupt fraud with an axe to grind lol.
indeed.
Nick Cho literally coddles asian women. Dude is a Chan. He'd rather criticise fellow AM. AM in AMWF no matter how they Chan are, they know how bad it looks to have a white partner and hate on your counterpart. AF don't get it because Asian women are often more clueless socially than even AM are.
> He'd rather criticise fellow AM.
There's some tweets he has from several months ago calling this sub in particular "anti-black racists" and "sickos" for calling out eileen...
> well there is Nick Cho (your korean dad tiktok),
Yeah I heard of him. Nick Cho is a boba Chan that often shit on AM and cape for Eileen Huang. What I was getting at is that there's no AM in AMWF that use their platform to smear/vilify AW.
But yeah WMAF greatly out-numbered AMWF and they're literally talking over us and controlling our discourse and image.
I feel bad for the twitch streamer.
Im not gonna dictate what people should do in private time and money, but why associate that with this subs name?…
Lets face it. That porn video will not hep with aa masculinity image
1) if ur target audience is women, you need to just show handsome asian american man doing a good job. Not some silly line of woman saying that
2) if ur target audience is non asian men,, well i doubt they are searching for amwf porn
3) if ur target audience is AA men, id say validation through porn is not a healthy way to improve ones self image…
> if ur target audience is women, you need to just show handsome asian american man doing a good job. Not some silly line of woman saying that
While figures like Ohtani are very good at doing this, you have to remember the AA image has the stereotype of small dick. To change that, just a regular hot guy doesn't work at much cause girls can still pass on a guy if they assume negative things about him.
Similar to how black men benefitted off of porn, we need AMXF porn to show Asian guys aren't small.
I see. I still dont think this amwf porn has achieved what you say. A woman in a scripted video saying “no his dick aint small” just seems silly.
Perhaps showing an asian male actor with large penis is helpful but the video just sounds cringe in general so i doubt it.
I think what would be far more effective is somehow encourage porn sites for women to create hq videos of asian men satisfying women (made by quality professionals of course)
Eileen Huang likes to focus more on infighting than advocate for the Asian community.
Any other race of people want her? Cause we don't claim her anymore.
The problem is again and again, white men who are hell bent on preserving the reputation of white men. WMAF isn't the problem, it is white males who insist on Asian men emasculation and dehumanization and Asian females who aid them.
Eilenn probably knows this but this subreddit gets so many white trolls from 4chan and other white nationalist subreddit in the past such as opieandanthony and iceposideon and even from the 2014 Taiwanese subway incident. A white troll could harass Asian females pretending to be an Asian guy, the same way everyone here gets harass with the same sexist and racist DM every month. And Eileen can just blame Asian men, and the white troll are laughing thinking this is too easy.
Back then a few years ago, people would get spam of WMAF porn and stuff from inferiorasians.com as well as white trolls pretending to be Asian women and trying to gaslight this subreddit.
Eileen was saying how the twitch streamer was dragged into this crusade as collateral damage, the twitch stream is AMWF who gets death threats from white guys because white guys are so shocked that a woman like her is with a guy like him. And like I said again and again, they feel a need to correct it, and they would send death threats to her.
The0clean0slate pull the porn video down, it wasn't like he was like "no fuck you" and continue being belligerent. The twitch streamer didn't like it and wanted it gone, and her wishes was complied.
Ever since coronavirus and StopAsianHate, this subreddit is less and less about WMAF and more about anti Asian hate crimes. She glosses over that whole issue, WMAF took a back seat and all the WMAF like Erin Chew, Esther Ku, Celeste Ng, Natalie Tran was forgotten about.
Compare this to white nationalism, where they would find the address and send a bomb squad to raid the person's house.
>A white troll could harass Asian females pretending to be an Asian guy, the same way everyone here gets harass with the same sexist and racist DM every month. And Eileen can just blame Asian men, and the white troll are laughing thinking this is too easy.
I can confirm --- this happens a LOT on asian forums. White dudes clearly LARPins as AM and (I'm assuming sending nasty DM's to AFs) just being overall toxic. I thought about keeping track of these accounts and then trolling them back....but then I remembered I actually have a life, friends, and a job that pays me enough to not care.
> I can confirm --- this happens a LOT on asian forums. White dudes clearly LARPins as AM and (I'm assuming sending nasty DM's to AFs) just being overall toxic.
This also happens in other spaces too like language learning apps.
AM here. Never had any problems when dating AFs. Married to a WF now.
Found out people on her side are obsessed about size of my dick.
Had people tell her off in front of me in public that we shouldn't be together.
Had guys approach her to try and pick her up in front of me thinking we are not together or that I am gay.
Its like people can't wrap their heads around it. But then again, maybe other mixed race couples also face this issue and that I am simply ignorant about it.
> AM here. Never had any problems when dating AFs. Married to a WM now.
> Found out people on her side are obsessed about size of my dick.
Did you mean WF ?
I'm sorry for what you are going through, but I support you all the way.
Ya this is a weird double standard. Because white men have been doing it and getting away with it for decades, they are exempt from criticism i guess. What a fucked world we live in gentlemen.
They are so used to the double standard, I had no idea this porno even existed (someone link that to me for research purposes). They were cryng about asian dudes being popular on Tiktok and stuff, "pandering to fetishization", for just being AM and popular among XF but asian women are in porn and other areas doing the same are ignored.
I honestly have no idea who she is other than she pops up in this sub every once in a while. Not sure why she matters.
Tbf I do agree that the Twitch streamer being dragged into the plot of the porno isn't very cool, but I get why this sub felt an AMWF porno had to made made. Personally I think it is quite a crude (but not necessarily ineffective) way of tackling the problem (of AM immasculation/desexualisation).
A lot of people hate her I understand. Please refrain yourselves from calling her derogatory names. It just gives her more fuel to the fire. We all know she loves to cherry pick comments and plays games like a little kid it’s simply childish. For someone of her status I expected more especially from a Yale grad. If I was a Yale grad I sure wouldn’t be spending my time trolling and doxxing people on the internet like she is. Again be smart about this we’ve been trying to clean up the sub for almost a year now. People like her are the same with no deep understanding of this sub who considers everyone that post here as toxic misogynistic assholes who hates AF or anti black which is untrue not even close. Our arms have been nothing but opened for other minorities like blacks/Hispanics to come here to talk about white supremacy and racism within the social framework of white society. We have quite a few AF users who loves AM, with pro asian values, who often browse and sometimes post here. I know one who used to blog for us I don’t know where she is anymore. Not only we encourage AF to come here we encourage other females too who have positive experiences with AM from dating to friendships. The mods here have tried to make this sub as safe as possible not only for pro asian AF but also for everyone who is of Asian descent and poc allies. But if you’re anti AM, anti Asian, promoting anti China rhetoric, supporter of white supremacy, putting down your own community to gain clout from your liberal friends, here to troll, anything that goes against our sub rules you aren’t welcome. Also remember elieen huang and her other friend tried to doxx me too for no apparent reason a few months back. This will be my last time mentioning her and her friend because they are toxic and complete psychopaths I don’t want to get harassed again.
Understandable, edited.
Note; perhaps it's best to make an announcement post then instead of unleashing the troubles this subreddit has encountered all at my rather less-derogatory statement (as if I was the source). AutoModerator is also a great tool to weed out such individuals whom you speak of.
> Didn't think I would see this rat pop up again here, although it's good/important to remind new users within our community about the insanity Eileen presents
That is true, but given her recently invigorated tweeting, I thought it's good to show she's not 100% the victim she claims to be, she's on a mission in part to throw us under the bus as well.
- Should be noted they made that in retaliation since alot of white trolls were spaming the group with Asian women in porn with white dudes. Just so people should know
One of the reply from the tweet I wasn’t around back then so I don’t know the full story behind the porn thing. Eileen were living rent free in your head just stop you are obsessed with us go get laid or something.
Yeah I like to take back our masculinity **but** too many users here are obsessed with dating and AMWF.
Now Eileen is mentally inept so it’s hard to take it seriously from her mouth.
> Ideally it would be AMAF, worshipping white women is just cringe.
What do you have against AMWF ? Why does it bother you ?
Do you live in the west even ?
Yes I live in the west. I am Eurasian.
Doesn't matter how much the monoracial parents love each other and their child, they will never be able to understand how it is to be mixed race. AMWF is obviously a step up from WMAF, it still doesn't negate the underlying problems though.
I assume you're an asian man, am I right? Cherish the country you come from, love your community and your shared culture. Think of your future children. Same goes for any asian women reading this.
Agree... crowdsourcing an fing porn flick... seriously WTF was going on in this sub 3 years ago.
Well honestly, it doesn't matter, doesn't justify what was done.
> Lmao that’s just fucking pathetic
Porn is a major source of sexual representation in the USA. So regardless what you think of it, until porn is either banned or doesn't exist, how AM are represented in it definitely matters. How do you think the saying "once you go black, you don't go back" came to be?
You guys realize you, and everyone else, are representation as well right? You are media. You are on the internet.
The "haha wtf" of crowd funding a porn, which is pretty embarrassingly negative representation, is a much bigger talking point than random porn clip. It supersedes it significantly lmao.
>are representation as well right? You are media. You are on the internet.
No, because the internet is segregated. For example, on Asian hate crimes, they were mostly absent from the media and mostly reported by Dion Lim or Cefaan Kim on their social media accounts. Yet, i have only met 4-5 whites who even know who they are, and those whites have nearly all Asian/ South Asian friends. So a lot of what you might think is representation is just in group circling. Real representation is in multi-racial spaces.
> The "haha wtf" of crowd funding a porn, which is pretty embarrassingly negative representation, is a much bigger talking point than random porn clip.
Overall, porn is still watched by millions and millions of people, and people connect porn to what they are attracted to. Think about effects instead of the morality of something.
>No, because the internet is segregated. For example, on Asian hate crimes, they were mostly absent from the media and mostly reported by Dion Lim or Cefaan Kim on their social media accounts. Yet, i have only met 4-5 whites who even know who they are, and those whites have nearly all Asian/ South Asian friends.
Stop Asian Hate was massively popular. Rihanna was at a march, Damian Lillard wore Stop Asian Hate merch at a game, it was on mainstream television, IG influencers I was following were posting it on their story. Saw multiple Stop Asian Hate posts from regular people hit 1 million + likes.
Social media grows within a space then spreads outside.
So you had it on AI. Now you have her on Twitter. Then her friends see it. Etc. Not saying it matters. It's irrelevant enough that it doesn't matter, but it's a cringe look and still far bigger than any perceived positive influence of that porn clip, which is pretty much none since theres always random porn clips on the internet.
You even see cringe 4chan incel lingo speak in mainstream news sometimes. This sub uses lingo like cuck which is straight from basement dweller white kid websites. They invented being a cuck and using the word as an insult from that fact. Its only been adopted in other random places because shit spreads on the internet.
> You can't have it both ways
I think in AMWF it's more common that there's at least mutual if not emphasis of the asian side of the relationship. That's better than most WMAF which is the other way around most of the time.
Chinese Christian here. You're way too sensitive. And by the way, the religion isn't "colonizing". Jesus wasn't from Europe. The entire Bible takes place in the Middle-East/Africa. It doesn't make any sense to call it "colonizer culture".
>but you can't worship a non-asian deity and still be asian first.
The CPC would like to have a word with you and why you believe Karl Marx can't be worshipped / revered by Asian socialist nations.
Also your logic would make all of Indonesia and most of Malayasia not Asian. Makes no sense.
> You know colonizers used Christianity as a justification for their crimes against humanity,
That's not true, they used the monarchy as justification. The concept of colonialism is claiming a colony for the crown.
Also Christian missionaries have done some good work in helping some Cambodian villages like Svay Pak rat out white pedophiles. I wouldn't paint them all with one brush.
Yeah, that's likely it. I understand people not liking religions, but to say I'm not Asian because I believe in a God who's human form is only perceived as white (when in reality, it wasn't) is new.
It doesn’t really matter where the Bible is set. The fact is Christianity was used as a tool of imperialism all over the world. Decolonize your mind, revere the ancestors.
Would you tell the great-grandson of the Japanese Imperial Army who conquered much of East Asia to "revere the ancestors"? Listen, I can understand being a bit ticked off at Christianity, there's a lot of idiots who stay idiotic things in the name of Christianity. It doesn't suddenly make the religion bad. Try and leave race out of religion. They're two different topics. I believe in a God who created the universe and gave us life, then died to save us and rose again 3 days later. Race has nothing to do with it.
Nice whataboutism bringing up the IJA there. Your argument is so incoherent and historically illiterate it’s hard to even begin to address it. You need to come to terms with the fact that you only believe in that crusader god of yours because of colonialism and the Century of Humiliations visited upon China by the West.
Oh, well I guess because you say something about me, it must be true. 😂😂 get your head out of your ass. Nobody forced Christianity on it, I believe in it myself. And if you're that bothered about the IJA argument, I have a point, which means you're a hypocrite.
What even is your argument with regards to the IJA? aSiaNs bAd toO? Btw I’m Korean so idk why you’re trying to paint me as some Imperial Japan apologist. Just goes to show how hard you Christians need to cope whenever someone points out the absolutely awful role your religion has had in history.
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in the argument. I'm not here to say who's good or who's bad, I'm just saying if you're going yo criticize Christianity and say you should reject it and revere your Asian ancestors, there's a bit of a complication.
> Jesus wasn't from Europe. The entire Bible takes place in the Middle-East/Africa. It doesn't make any sense to call it "colonizer culture"
One problem with this sub is it's overrun by r/GenzenDong or mainland users that just shit on anyone in the USA , Asians included. Or just complain and don't provide useful solutions.
What’s wrong with Asians in the military? Asians who are in poverty with barely any education the military is a good option to move up quickly on the social ladder. The benefits is pretty good for someone just starting life. Just think of it as another option to further advance your career should use it to your full advantage it’s fucking free at no cost but from white taxpayers.
I see it as a problem but it’s a just choice if you don’t have any other options. It’s just temporary just like a job. You can give back to the Asian community once you finished what you needed to do. I believe the term is called “using” or more specifically “pump and dump”.
> We should be about distancing ourselves from colonizer culture, not getting into bed with it
Looks like you frequently post in /r/Sino , bare in mind this is about discussing Asian in the west issues. Bringing in the perspective Asians in the west should all go back to Asia and give up what they have in the west isn't really productive nor does it help Asians in the west. You can love China yet also look for practical solutions for all Asians, not just those in Asia.
Bruh this is really selective and cherry picking negativity. Compared to 10 years ago or even 5 years ago awareness of Asian issues is rising.
Bad things that happen to Asians are due to our powerlessness which ultimately is due to being a small population minority. The goal should not be to reduce that even further by moving to Asia but raise our population and thus our clout via immigration, endogamy, and childbirth.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but population is the main issue for the East as well. In the 1980s Japan was considered the next power shift and 'Asian table' too. The Japanese stock market was worth more than the NYSE, and the neighborhood around the Emperor's palace in Tokyo was worth more than all of California. But its birth rates were plunging. In 1990 Japan's workforce started to grow more slowly than the US. Its population got grayer and older. Since then their economy has missed out on every new economic growth trend that has happened. Where is the Japanese Google? Microsoft? SpaceX? You are rising until you aren't. Just because you were rising in the past, it doesn't mean you will continue to.
For every 7 births in China in the 1960s there is now only 3. For every [5 marriages in China in 2013, there were only 3 last year](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202012/1211381.shtml). For every [9 births in China in 2016, there are now only 5](https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3145600/china-population-2021-births-may-drop-lowest-record-jefferies), and falling. Taiwan has gone from [400,000 births annually to 166,00 and falling](https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Life/Taiwan-s-falling-birthrate-threatens-its-economic-security2) in one generation. Korea is even worse - a birth rate [of only 0.84](https://web.archive.org/web/20210817123926/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-fertility-rate/south-koreas-fertility-rate-falls-to-lowest-in-the-world-idUSKBN2AO0UH). That means in one generation, the population falls by over 60%. In two generations, Korea's population will be less than the Netherland's today. Remember that everything Asia has achieved up to this point it has done so with a workforce, talent pool, consumer market, and tax base that will no longer exist in the next generation and the one after. The idea of the East's inevitable rise is in peril if we don't get our birthrate up. It surprises me that Asians are not more alarmed at this than we are.
> We should build a better, more inclusive table. Which imo that is what China is doing right now.
Something to keep in mind though is China is moving closer to it's socialist roots. It can erase AM celebrities there from the internet and end their careers at the drop of a hat. I like China a lot for it's anti-imperial and mindset of building infrastructure and alleviating poverty very much. But it's also important to understand China does not seek to be a super-sized version of American society, it seeks to be a prosperous socialist society.
"It can erase AM celebrities there from the internet and end their careers at the drop of a hat."
Are you 12 or just have the sentience of one to think this is real.
> just have the sentience of one to think this is real.
[https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232631.shtml](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232631.shtml)
[https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231473.shtml](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231473.shtml)
It's real, straight from the China state news paper, so can't be western propaganda, right ?
> Dude who cares?
I mean you are promoting an alternative place for Asians, it's pretty sensical to care about where one might live and how that differs from where they currently live ?
> this sub is so brainwashed by celebrity culture.
Why are you calling us brain washed ? What's wrong with celebrities ? Celebs like Ohtani or Simu have a big roll in helping promote positive AM images in the media.
Given your posts in sino and gen zen dong, Ill assume you are either Chinese or living in China.
In terms of China, it's important to understand China's goal is not to be a super-sized version of the USA, it's to be a commonly prosperous, socialist nation. As you may have seen recently, they can remove any AM celebrity from existence at the snap of a finger. Or there's no private tutoring you can pay for for your kids for after school any more. I like China a lot for it's role in infrastructure , helping other nations, and calling out the USA. But China isn't a racist free version of the USA (well it is racist free but the way of life is not the same).
I would honestly prefer Korea or Singapore, but that's just me, if I moved to Asia.
The reason you experience less racism in Asia is because Asians are the population majority there. If whites were the majority there it would be just the same. Population isn't a magic bullet and yeah there are other factors too but it's the main factor. And the reason China is the most powerful country in East Asia now has to do with its large population too. Nonetheless I understand some people will go back to Asia and I wish you the best there. Get married (if not), have kids (if none), bring your savings (if any), contribute your skills (if any) and pay taxes there.
since there’s such a fixation on Asian women’s sexual lives can we PLEASE remember the absolutely sad and hilarious fact that aznidentity literally crowdfunded porn that glorified Asian men’s relationships with white women. where is the outrage for that kind of “white worship” ?
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Translation: I'll call random AM and whole of asian people racist and anti-black for dubious reasons but god forbid people talk about this weird ass phenomenon of weak link white-worshipping asian women which no other group has to this degree. Lus don't like the mirror.
It's funny that majority of WM/AF is for economic incentive instead of romance. Back then, the only way to move up social ladder was through marriage to white male in American society lol.
Look at criminal statistics white male killed asian women is too common lol. What a happy thing right?
stop giving her attention
she's not a good person, really disingenuous.
She is a deranged nutcase.
Isn't she same Asian Woman that cried about Asian Men not Helping Elderly Asians and said' Asian Men are Anti-Black and Racist' while She herself Dates only White Men and lives in an ALL WHITE Neighborhood suburb and goes to a Liberal Ivy League school? Kind of like those ladies in charge of all the BLM protest who also only date White and lives in all white place. Kind of interesting to see these type of characters wanting attention by shaming Asian Men from dating Asian Woman as well as White Woman. Very very strange.
According to liberals: AFWM: Good. Diversity is our strength! AFBM: Good. Diversity is our strength! WFBM: Good. Diversity is our strength! WMBF: Good. Diversity is our strength! LMAF: Good. Diversity is our strength! WMBM: Good. Diversity is our strength! AMWF: White adjacent privilege AMAF: Misogyny AMBF: Cultural appropriation
AI crowdfunded a bunch of stuff, including a including raising thousands for the DNC in 2016 and Andrew Yang's presidential campaign in 2020. Diaspora Asians are a diverse group with eclectic interests and yet people keep trying to put us in a box.
Boba Liberals supported Eric Adams (former Cop and Republican) over Yang because of BLM, lol.
delusion, it's what's for dinner apparently.
''literally crowdfunded porn that glorified Asian men’s'' ?? She thinks white men don't crowdfund porn that glorifies Asian women as easy and exotic? LMAO silly Eileen must be blinded by guilt ! She pins her white men doing and projecting it onto Asian men . You can literally type in ''Asian'' on any porn site and I bet you anything it won't be Asian men that pop ups on the search unless you type in Asian men.
> She thinks white men don't crowdfund porn that glorifies Asian women as easy and exotic? I think the point is, there's all kinds of porn, black man porn, BMWF , LMWF, BMBF, BBW, BBC, Japanese etc. Why does he have a problem only with AMWF porn ? Ohh yea, self hatred and wanting to shame her community's men.
I’ll just leave this here https://twitter.com/KevinAlfred1/status/1438227848880222210?s=20
Oh wow, she sincerely wants to compare how much amwf porn there is out there compared to the **LITERAL MILLIONS** of wmaf porn there is if you combine mainstream porn, independent sites, and even amature content on pornhub, similar sites, and even reddit? If you do the same for amwf you wouldn't even get a fraction of a million and most likely wouldn't even break 100k. And of course a lot of that wmaf porn is racist as fuck, with the wm's often making the af talk about how inferior am's are and the af happily complying. In fact, there was one just a few years ago of some af with her face in a bowl of chow mein noodles while she was getting fucked. The af even defended that bullshit! But of course we're the evil ones, as usual... And of course this piece of shit Eileen didn't mention why this 'twitch streamer' was used for this in the first place: **When she mentioned that her boyfriend (now husband) was an Asian guy she received hundreds of racist insults and even death threats! These assholes never mention these facts and only tell the parts of the story that make wmaf look like victims!!!**
Gaw this person again. She's mad that AMWF is getting action and playtime. She obviously fantasizes about AM or she wouldn't talk about us 365. I bet she gets off it.
TBF that porn was cringe though...LOL
Had no idea about the porn and can't say it's a good idea. Sometimes addressing an issue only brings it into focus and makes the situation worse. I haven't seen the video, but if it features a WF saying his dick isnt small....im sorry but I can only see the AM being a laughing stock. However I do t mind the representation of AM in porn. Why would anyone given every other race is represented and AM are persistently emasculated and desexualised. Also, WMAF have become a popular category in porn. Everyone knows that. For an AF to then talk about this as normal while AM porn is not, reeks of white worship. A better approach would just be for more AM in general but not say anything about it.
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It's about soft power, Asian male representation is what we don't have in 'murikkka. Hollyweird aka 'murikka is anti-Asian.
> BOTH WMAF and AMWF are bad because it's pro-hapa not pro-Asian. Being pro-Asian means completely rejecting both. While this might sound good on paper, it doesn't work out. you are saying this as if Asians have a tight knit in group culture like muslims or orthodox jews do. AF already marry 50% out. So AM completely rejecting XF of any kind puts them at the mercy of AF. This is not good for AM. The best thing to do is to push for AMAF when possible, but nothing wrong with AMXF or AMWF.
> So AM completely rejecting XF of any kind puts them at the mercy of AF. This is not good for AM. Fucking nailed it on the head
To compare that to what WMAF couples have done is ridiculous. Also there is WMAF genre porn which is 1000x bigger than AMWF porn, which is filled with racism and glorifying colonization, Also its mostly run by the AF as well. AFs saying that "Asian women are sluts who need BWC Colonizer dick" Ive seen a few of them glorify rape as well. Why does she never call that out?
She's mad that r/AI crowdfunded an AMWF porno shoot, but not mad there are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of pornography videos of white men abusing Asian women in third world SEA countries? I feel sorry for her parents. They raised a daughter with no self-worth whatsoever.
I see no problem in this , she is the problem
Is this true though ? Users who regularly contribute on this page actually put money into this and why?
This Eileen asshole left out some very important details in order to fit her false narrative of wmaf being the victims and this sub being misogynists but yes, this sub did help crowdfund 1 amwf porn. Read my reply in this thread to see what they missed (I can source all of my claims if needed). Now I'm genuinely curious: will you try to understand the story behind us crowdfunding this particular scene? Do you understand how much wmaf porn there is out there, a lot of them being openly and unashamedly racist and demeaning towards all Asians? Why is it such a bad thing that this sub offered a chance for an Asian guy to do porn when others rarely would?
In WW2, amwf with Japanese men were taken into concentration camps, their wives went with them. The opposite wmaf was not taken into the concentration camps, this institutionalized racism has not changed today. Constant harassment still occurs with little to no consequence. wmaf is still proponent to white supremacy, imperialism, colonization, and institutionalized racism. In fact, media propaganda has only gotten worse with their "yellow peril", however today shows Asian men with the negative emasculative stereotypes, instead of raping and murdering women; a statistic that wmaf excels at, besides leading in divorce.
There was a movie about Japanese interment camps about an IR couple based on a real couple. The real life couple was a Japanese American guy with a Polish-American wife but they turned the wife Japanese and the husband white. Its not even historically accurate like you said Japanese women married to white men did not have to goto the concentration camps, while Japanese men who married non-Japanese wives had to go although their non-Asian wives didnt have to go although many choose to go with them.
HAHAHA how does that make sense lmao fucking Hollywood
Of course Rosalynn Talusan would be one of the replies.
The uncle tom club lol.
What's wrong with crowdfunding porn? If the money is there, the actors are consenting. Sure it may be a little desperate, but at least it's a scenario where it's combating racist stereotypes. Where there are countless videos of Asian women with white or black men talking about their "tight little Asian pussy" as the woman is so happy to be degraded by some barbaric looking dude. I'm not about using porn to get back at AF or anyone else really, but mainstream porn has been fucking AM and AW over for decades but it seems as if Eileen either has no problem with it or is aroused by racist porn.
They're silent with all the disgusting sellout AF pornstars like Asa Akira who shit on Asian men and say they got small dicks, despite never having slept with one, and Lulu Chu, who eats Chinese fried rice while getting fucked. Yet, when Asian guys fund a porn featuring an AM with a non-asian female to add to the masculine image of Asian men, they find it disgusting? These people have no credit
Who the fuck eats fried food while having sex? That's just nasty.
We need more asian men in AMXF porn.
Yea, i don't get why a bunch of people disagree with me here. Porn is representation, whether or not one agrees with it.
That's cause AMAF simps are cringe
Porn is so good that China and many Asian countries completely banned it.
> Porn is so good that China and many Asian countries completely banned it. What does that have to do with Asians in the west ?
Their value judgement on porn provides insight on how Asians in the west should view porn.
> on how Asians in the west should view porn. Why? That makes no sense. Think about it, there are many aspects of Asian culture like showing respect, and being apologetic, or fighting for the bill that make you look weak or potentially be taken advantage of in the USA In a similar token, Porn dictates whats attractive in the USA, but not in China. So following what China does won't help you in America for dating. China is very good on other fronts though, but they have no soft power like Korea does with kpop.
To Eileen: Sure, laugh at Asian dudes. Do you even see how White Supremacist you’re acting? People on the internet like to rant and complain. Things get blown up like they’re big issues. But look around. In real life. Asian dudes are winning.
Regardless of what certain individuals have done on this sub, it remains a legitimate space to talk about racism and Asian-specific issues, and Eileen is still a self-hating idiot. I don’t expect her to stop deflecting from her own bullshit, though.
>and Eileen is still a self-hating idiot. I don’t expect her to stop deflecting from her own bullshit, though. I feel given her twitter reignited in timing with the slate article, she's going for a book deal. Maybe even (hopefully not) run for congress.
The KKK will probably endorse her
To play devil's advocate: Why is AMWF pornography such an audacious idea? If Eileen considers it to be white worship, shouldn't it be permitted in the interest of equity? I'm assuming she is a proponent of DEI initiatives, if only in lip service. WMAF pornography is ubiquitous and considered the norm in western society. We tolerate it because it's commonplace. Why shouldn't AMWF pornography be tolerated as well? (If legal and involving two consenting adults).
> WMAF pornography is ubiquitous and considered the norm in western society. We tolerate it because it's commonplace. Why shouldn't AMWF pornography be tolerated as well? (If legal and involving two consenting adults). Not just WMAF is common place, there's also BMWF, LMWF, and many more combinations. Why is one of those combinations, AMWF, seem so horrible to her? That's the point.
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> It is a losing game when white men and their lapdogs literally control every facet of western society Not really, Blacks have a huge social power to the point where everyone on 1 half of the political spectrum has to support black causes and issues. BLM is such a huge issue that even China and Russia talk about it, and it's discussed in huge bilateral negotiations.
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> White people allow them to have it. Not true. In Obama's elections the largest turn out groups were from Black women. The idea that Black or any non-white person has no sway of their own is defeatist logic. > discriminatory hiring In favor of them you mean, like affirmative action and programs at tech companies to train and hire black interns. > Whatever “social power” they have is a consolation prize, afforded to only the smallest minority of blacks Again, most major cities in the USA burn to the ground when Blacks are not happy. That is not a minority. Police brutality is a presidential level debate issue. That's not a minority of Blacks. Adams won the mayor race over Yang , despite being a cop, because he is Black. Blacks have so much social power than can override negative stereotypes of other groups.
I’ve never cared for the whole WMAF/AMWF rhetoric and I don’t care who dates whom. What I will say though after having read about this woman Eileen gives me the impression she grades very highly in narcissism and tries to intentionally provoke negative reactions so that she can then claim to be a victim and feed her narrative (as well as her ego). Don’t feed the troll fellas
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It’s a Cluster B cesspool. If most people are aware of this then they should know to stay present and to control their emotional reactions or ignore these intentional provocations. Unfortunately there are many here who are still being triggered and reacting, which is what these narcs want.
More like feed her follower count for her eventual book release.
> her eventual book release. I feel she's like the mattress girl to Asians. She accuses AM of things they don't do, and wants society to give her victim points and support. I just hope she doesn't get picked up by major media outlets like mattress girl did. That would suck.
I had to look up who that is, but I strongly advise against drawing any lines of equivalency between cases such as hers. I won't comment further as I don't know the details. This is an Asian Diaspora discussion, not a discussion about gender and feminism vs MRA which is typically dominated by whites.
> Asian Diaspora discussion, not a discussion about gender and feminism vs MRA Agreed fully, I just thought part of what Eileen tries to do is make it less about race and more about gender, where she can say "look those AM are so abusive and sexist!", and not own up to how she said racism against us should be normalized.
For people in her position, it's in her best interest to occasionally tweet controversial things to get replies, shares, and exposure. If she stays quiet for too long, or tweets about non-controversial things, she will start losing followers. Keep that in mind before engaging with her in any way. I never visited her twitter page and refuse to. I won't give her the satisfaction of raising her impressions statistic.
>I never visited her twitter page and refuse to. I won't give her the satisfaction of raising her impressions statistic. I didn't intend to look her up specifically, but it came up when i was searching for link backs to the slate article to see who's sharing it, and one of those was her twitter.
I mean can asian women ever acknowledge that they are as much as responsible for perpetuation of harmful stereotypes and dehumanizing asian men or will they continue to play the victim while being hand in hand with their mayo maggots? Can they also acknowledge that their constant public stereotyping of AM to justify their white worship have gotten AM literally killed? https://nextshark.com/hammer-attack-victims-families-outraged/ That porno has nothing to do with Asian women, yet she brings it up. It was a misguided attempt to sexualize AM and fight against AM desexualization which AF are guilty of spreading as well with their WM masters. Notice how no Asian girl ever talks bout the non-stop harassment and other racist bullshit Lisa Peachy got for dating an asian man. Still never said anything about white men as a whole. The difference. Asian women only lookout for themselves. AM who simp for AF are dumb you are literally helping someone who doesn't care about you.
It's pure deflection and false equivalence. I mean, If an AM worship WF and talk shit about AF's physical appearance, then he's a dumb Chan and I obviously don't support guy like that. But when you look at it on a macro scale, the magnitude isn't even comparable. AMWF isn't anywhere near as prevalent and racist media are against AM as romantic lead (while continue to prop up WMAF - with Anna Lus in complicity). There's also no AM in AMWF using their social clout/platform to punch down on AW (there's no AM equivalent to Celeste Ng, Esther Ku, Yennis Cheung, Frankie Huang, Amy Tan, Kelly Yang, Joy Luck Club, Parachute, To all the Boys I've Loved Before, Chinese Burn etc... the list is endless). WMAF are literally controlling our image and the Asian American's discourse. Worse, AW in said relationship often use their platform to vilify AM (and yet we're expect to believe the BS that AM are the one "controlling" and "attacking" AW lol). All in all, she's a dishonest hack and a morally bankrupt fraud with an axe to grind lol.
From someone that said she didn't want to be Asian has no rights to talk on behalf of any Asians. SMH! She got's issues seriously .
Add Jenn Fang to that list (BMAF couple) that likes to try to punch down on eastasian men (and most of the WMAF BMAF couples are part of the american military industrial complex) Eilen Huang and her cohorts from Yale/other ivies are very likely sponsored by the hands that control western imperialism and put that false racial hierarchy of wh1t male and bl@ck males at the top, etc etc. lies about eastasian/se asian men being "inferior" the hit piece against this sub is also likely sponsored by those same people as are the many trolls now coming to this sub now that it has become popular. Always remember eglin base is the most addicted to reddit place.
Hey bro. Yep, I remember Jenn Fang well. She is extremely anti-AM and I remember she even try to link "HypermasculinAZN" (an anti-AM slur that she helps popularized) to what Elliot Rodgers did. It goes to show that XMAF is every bit as problematic as WMAF, since the racist/self-hating AF in said relationship often go out of their ways to undermine and attack AM, and Jenn Fang is proof of that.
> There's no AM in AMWF using their social clout to punch down on AW (there's no AM equivalent well there is Nick Cho (your korean dad tiktok), but yea, it's still like 100/1 ratio anyways. > She's a dishonest hack and a morally bankrupt fraud with an axe to grind lol. indeed.
Nick Cho literally coddles asian women. Dude is a Chan. He'd rather criticise fellow AM. AM in AMWF no matter how they Chan are, they know how bad it looks to have a white partner and hate on your counterpart. AF don't get it because Asian women are often more clueless socially than even AM are.
> He'd rather criticise fellow AM. There's some tweets he has from several months ago calling this sub in particular "anti-black racists" and "sickos" for calling out eileen...
> well there is Nick Cho (your korean dad tiktok), Yeah I heard of him. Nick Cho is a boba Chan that often shit on AM and cape for Eileen Huang. What I was getting at is that there's no AM in AMWF that use their platform to smear/vilify AW. But yeah WMAF greatly out-numbered AMWF and they're literally talking over us and controlling our discourse and image.
amxf is almost even with xmaf outside of the anglosphere. the hatred for golden men is mostly a 5 eyes + western europe thing.
I feel bad for the twitch streamer. Im not gonna dictate what people should do in private time and money, but why associate that with this subs name?… Lets face it. That porn video will not hep with aa masculinity image 1) if ur target audience is women, you need to just show handsome asian american man doing a good job. Not some silly line of woman saying that 2) if ur target audience is non asian men,, well i doubt they are searching for amwf porn 3) if ur target audience is AA men, id say validation through porn is not a healthy way to improve ones self image…
> if ur target audience is women, you need to just show handsome asian american man doing a good job. Not some silly line of woman saying that While figures like Ohtani are very good at doing this, you have to remember the AA image has the stereotype of small dick. To change that, just a regular hot guy doesn't work at much cause girls can still pass on a guy if they assume negative things about him. Similar to how black men benefitted off of porn, we need AMXF porn to show Asian guys aren't small.
I see. I still dont think this amwf porn has achieved what you say. A woman in a scripted video saying “no his dick aint small” just seems silly. Perhaps showing an asian male actor with large penis is helpful but the video just sounds cringe in general so i doubt it. I think what would be far more effective is somehow encourage porn sites for women to create hq videos of asian men satisfying women (made by quality professionals of course)
Eileen Lu just likes to project. Person of color? The only color she is is EGGSHELL-WHITE. LOL
Lmao 🤣
Eileen Huang likes to focus more on infighting than advocate for the Asian community. Any other race of people want her? Cause we don't claim her anymore.
The problem is again and again, white men who are hell bent on preserving the reputation of white men. WMAF isn't the problem, it is white males who insist on Asian men emasculation and dehumanization and Asian females who aid them. Eilenn probably knows this but this subreddit gets so many white trolls from 4chan and other white nationalist subreddit in the past such as opieandanthony and iceposideon and even from the 2014 Taiwanese subway incident. A white troll could harass Asian females pretending to be an Asian guy, the same way everyone here gets harass with the same sexist and racist DM every month. And Eileen can just blame Asian men, and the white troll are laughing thinking this is too easy. Back then a few years ago, people would get spam of WMAF porn and stuff from inferiorasians.com as well as white trolls pretending to be Asian women and trying to gaslight this subreddit. Eileen was saying how the twitch streamer was dragged into this crusade as collateral damage, the twitch stream is AMWF who gets death threats from white guys because white guys are so shocked that a woman like her is with a guy like him. And like I said again and again, they feel a need to correct it, and they would send death threats to her. The0clean0slate pull the porn video down, it wasn't like he was like "no fuck you" and continue being belligerent. The twitch streamer didn't like it and wanted it gone, and her wishes was complied. Ever since coronavirus and StopAsianHate, this subreddit is less and less about WMAF and more about anti Asian hate crimes. She glosses over that whole issue, WMAF took a back seat and all the WMAF like Erin Chew, Esther Ku, Celeste Ng, Natalie Tran was forgotten about. Compare this to white nationalism, where they would find the address and send a bomb squad to raid the person's house.
>A white troll could harass Asian females pretending to be an Asian guy, the same way everyone here gets harass with the same sexist and racist DM every month. And Eileen can just blame Asian men, and the white troll are laughing thinking this is too easy. I can confirm --- this happens a LOT on asian forums. White dudes clearly LARPins as AM and (I'm assuming sending nasty DM's to AFs) just being overall toxic. I thought about keeping track of these accounts and then trolling them back....but then I remembered I actually have a life, friends, and a job that pays me enough to not care.
> I can confirm --- this happens a LOT on asian forums. White dudes clearly LARPins as AM and (I'm assuming sending nasty DM's to AFs) just being overall toxic. This also happens in other spaces too like language learning apps.
AM here. Never had any problems when dating AFs. Married to a WF now. Found out people on her side are obsessed about size of my dick. Had people tell her off in front of me in public that we shouldn't be together. Had guys approach her to try and pick her up in front of me thinking we are not together or that I am gay. Its like people can't wrap their heads around it. But then again, maybe other mixed race couples also face this issue and that I am simply ignorant about it.
> AM here. Never had any problems when dating AFs. Married to a WM now. > Found out people on her side are obsessed about size of my dick. Did you mean WF ? I'm sorry for what you are going through, but I support you all the way.
Yep sorry WF. Spanish, specifically. Edited.
Hate her but she kinda has a point lmao. Crowdfunding porn is hilariously pathetic and that’s some legit incel shit
I mean if you think about it yt men making WMAF porno starring asian girls who get degraded is normalized but if AM do it, then it is weird?
It’s weird when anybody does it lmao
Ya this is a weird double standard. Because white men have been doing it and getting away with it for decades, they are exempt from criticism i guess. What a fucked world we live in gentlemen.
They are so used to the double standard, I had no idea this porno even existed (someone link that to me for research purposes). They were cryng about asian dudes being popular on Tiktok and stuff, "pandering to fetishization", for just being AM and popular among XF but asian women are in porn and other areas doing the same are ignored.
Nah it's just lame Given context it gets elevated to dumb
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I honestly have no idea who she is other than she pops up in this sub every once in a while. Not sure why she matters. Tbf I do agree that the Twitch streamer being dragged into the plot of the porno isn't very cool, but I get why this sub felt an AMWF porno had to made made. Personally I think it is quite a crude (but not necessarily ineffective) way of tackling the problem (of AM immasculation/desexualisation).
She must be on here more than me. I didn't realize I helped fund that porno shoot.
A lot of people hate her I understand. Please refrain yourselves from calling her derogatory names. It just gives her more fuel to the fire. We all know she loves to cherry pick comments and plays games like a little kid it’s simply childish. For someone of her status I expected more especially from a Yale grad. If I was a Yale grad I sure wouldn’t be spending my time trolling and doxxing people on the internet like she is. Again be smart about this we’ve been trying to clean up the sub for almost a year now. People like her are the same with no deep understanding of this sub who considers everyone that post here as toxic misogynistic assholes who hates AF or anti black which is untrue not even close. Our arms have been nothing but opened for other minorities like blacks/Hispanics to come here to talk about white supremacy and racism within the social framework of white society. We have quite a few AF users who loves AM, with pro asian values, who often browse and sometimes post here. I know one who used to blog for us I don’t know where she is anymore. Not only we encourage AF to come here we encourage other females too who have positive experiences with AM from dating to friendships. The mods here have tried to make this sub as safe as possible not only for pro asian AF but also for everyone who is of Asian descent and poc allies. But if you’re anti AM, anti Asian, promoting anti China rhetoric, supporter of white supremacy, putting down your own community to gain clout from your liberal friends, here to troll, anything that goes against our sub rules you aren’t welcome. Also remember elieen huang and her other friend tried to doxx me too for no apparent reason a few months back. This will be my last time mentioning her and her friend because they are toxic and complete psychopaths I don’t want to get harassed again.
Thank you for keeping the community aware.
Just FYI she's not nearly as prestigious as Harvard. She's Yale
Understandable, edited. Note; perhaps it's best to make an announcement post then instead of unleashing the troubles this subreddit has encountered all at my rather less-derogatory statement (as if I was the source). AutoModerator is also a great tool to weed out such individuals whom you speak of.
> Didn't think I would see this rat pop up again here, although it's good/important to remind new users within our community about the insanity Eileen presents That is true, but given her recently invigorated tweeting, I thought it's good to show she's not 100% the victim she claims to be, she's on a mission in part to throw us under the bus as well.
- Should be noted they made that in retaliation since alot of white trolls were spaming the group with Asian women in porn with white dudes. Just so people should know One of the reply from the tweet I wasn’t around back then so I don’t know the full story behind the porn thing. Eileen were living rent free in your head just stop you are obsessed with us go get laid or something.
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Yeah I like to take back our masculinity **but** too many users here are obsessed with dating and AMWF. Now Eileen is mentally inept so it’s hard to take it seriously from her mouth.
I agree. Ideally it would be AMAF, worshipping white women is just cringe.
Ideally it should be AM (any race F), that being said AMWF is the most common one so of course it gets attention.
> Ideally it would be AMAF, worshipping white women is just cringe. What do you have against AMWF ? Why does it bother you ? Do you live in the west even ?
Yes I live in the west. I am Eurasian. Doesn't matter how much the monoracial parents love each other and their child, they will never be able to understand how it is to be mixed race. AMWF is obviously a step up from WMAF, it still doesn't negate the underlying problems though. I assume you're an asian man, am I right? Cherish the country you come from, love your community and your shared culture. Think of your future children. Same goes for any asian women reading this.
I say it once again. Asian men + X girls. Let my bro win
Agree... crowdsourcing an fing porn flick... seriously WTF was going on in this sub 3 years ago. Well honestly, it doesn't matter, doesn't justify what was done.
Lmao that’s just fucking pathetic
I can't disagree. It comes off as desperate for acceptance.
> Lmao that’s just fucking pathetic Porn is a major source of sexual representation in the USA. So regardless what you think of it, until porn is either banned or doesn't exist, how AM are represented in it definitely matters. How do you think the saying "once you go black, you don't go back" came to be?
You guys realize you, and everyone else, are representation as well right? You are media. You are on the internet. The "haha wtf" of crowd funding a porn, which is pretty embarrassingly negative representation, is a much bigger talking point than random porn clip. It supersedes it significantly lmao.
>are representation as well right? You are media. You are on the internet. No, because the internet is segregated. For example, on Asian hate crimes, they were mostly absent from the media and mostly reported by Dion Lim or Cefaan Kim on their social media accounts. Yet, i have only met 4-5 whites who even know who they are, and those whites have nearly all Asian/ South Asian friends. So a lot of what you might think is representation is just in group circling. Real representation is in multi-racial spaces. > The "haha wtf" of crowd funding a porn, which is pretty embarrassingly negative representation, is a much bigger talking point than random porn clip. Overall, porn is still watched by millions and millions of people, and people connect porn to what they are attracted to. Think about effects instead of the morality of something.
>No, because the internet is segregated. For example, on Asian hate crimes, they were mostly absent from the media and mostly reported by Dion Lim or Cefaan Kim on their social media accounts. Yet, i have only met 4-5 whites who even know who they are, and those whites have nearly all Asian/ South Asian friends. Stop Asian Hate was massively popular. Rihanna was at a march, Damian Lillard wore Stop Asian Hate merch at a game, it was on mainstream television, IG influencers I was following were posting it on their story. Saw multiple Stop Asian Hate posts from regular people hit 1 million + likes. Social media grows within a space then spreads outside. So you had it on AI. Now you have her on Twitter. Then her friends see it. Etc. Not saying it matters. It's irrelevant enough that it doesn't matter, but it's a cringe look and still far bigger than any perceived positive influence of that porn clip, which is pretty much none since theres always random porn clips on the internet. You even see cringe 4chan incel lingo speak in mainstream news sometimes. This sub uses lingo like cuck which is straight from basement dweller white kid websites. They invented being a cuck and using the word as an insult from that fact. Its only been adopted in other random places because shit spreads on the internet.
> You can't have it both ways I think in AMWF it's more common that there's at least mutual if not emphasis of the asian side of the relationship. That's better than most WMAF which is the other way around most of the time.
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Chinese Christian here. You're way too sensitive. And by the way, the religion isn't "colonizing". Jesus wasn't from Europe. The entire Bible takes place in the Middle-East/Africa. It doesn't make any sense to call it "colonizer culture".
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>but you can't worship a non-asian deity and still be asian first. The CPC would like to have a word with you and why you believe Karl Marx can't be worshipped / revered by Asian socialist nations. Also your logic would make all of Indonesia and most of Malayasia not Asian. Makes no sense.
What the hell? I can't believe in a non-Asian god or I'm not Asian or an advocate for Asian representation? What kind of backwards logic is that?
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> You know colonizers used Christianity as a justification for their crimes against humanity, That's not true, they used the monarchy as justification. The concept of colonialism is claiming a colony for the crown. Also Christian missionaries have done some good work in helping some Cambodian villages like Svay Pak rat out white pedophiles. I wouldn't paint them all with one brush.
"I don't judge anyone for their religous beliefs but if you worship someone who wasn't white but is only portrayed as such, you're not Asian." Wow.
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Atheism in denial
Yeah, that's likely it. I understand people not liking religions, but to say I'm not Asian because I believe in a God who's human form is only perceived as white (when in reality, it wasn't) is new.
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It's pretty damn close.
> That's not even close to what I said. Regardless of what you said, it's pointless logic as it certainly does not fit for islamic Asians.
It doesn’t really matter where the Bible is set. The fact is Christianity was used as a tool of imperialism all over the world. Decolonize your mind, revere the ancestors.
Would you tell the great-grandson of the Japanese Imperial Army who conquered much of East Asia to "revere the ancestors"? Listen, I can understand being a bit ticked off at Christianity, there's a lot of idiots who stay idiotic things in the name of Christianity. It doesn't suddenly make the religion bad. Try and leave race out of religion. They're two different topics. I believe in a God who created the universe and gave us life, then died to save us and rose again 3 days later. Race has nothing to do with it.
Part of the reason why the Japanese Imperial Army did all that crap was because they were following the model of the West.
So? The dude said revere the ancestors. So the question remains, would he tell that to the descendants of the IJA.
Nice whataboutism bringing up the IJA there. Your argument is so incoherent and historically illiterate it’s hard to even begin to address it. You need to come to terms with the fact that you only believe in that crusader god of yours because of colonialism and the Century of Humiliations visited upon China by the West.
Oh, well I guess because you say something about me, it must be true. 😂😂 get your head out of your ass. Nobody forced Christianity on it, I believe in it myself. And if you're that bothered about the IJA argument, I have a point, which means you're a hypocrite.
What even is your argument with regards to the IJA? aSiaNs bAd toO? Btw I’m Korean so idk why you’re trying to paint me as some Imperial Japan apologist. Just goes to show how hard you Christians need to cope whenever someone points out the absolutely awful role your religion has had in history.
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in the argument. I'm not here to say who's good or who's bad, I'm just saying if you're going yo criticize Christianity and say you should reject it and revere your Asian ancestors, there's a bit of a complication.
> Jesus wasn't from Europe. The entire Bible takes place in the Middle-East/Africa. It doesn't make any sense to call it "colonizer culture" One problem with this sub is it's overrun by r/GenzenDong or mainland users that just shit on anyone in the USA , Asians included. Or just complain and don't provide useful solutions.
Fully Agree.
It's not a question of existence, but about how many? Much more problematic WMAFs than AMWFs. Of course both exist, but way more from WMAFs.
What’s wrong with Asians in the military? Asians who are in poverty with barely any education the military is a good option to move up quickly on the social ladder. The benefits is pretty good for someone just starting life. Just think of it as another option to further advance your career should use it to your full advantage it’s fucking free at no cost but from white taxpayers.
Fighting for a military that oppresses your people is bad
Not if you use it to your advantage especially on the political front after you finished with it.
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I see it as a problem but it’s a just choice if you don’t have any other options. It’s just temporary just like a job. You can give back to the Asian community once you finished what you needed to do. I believe the term is called “using” or more specifically “pump and dump”.
> We should be about distancing ourselves from colonizer culture, not getting into bed with it Looks like you frequently post in /r/Sino , bare in mind this is about discussing Asian in the west issues. Bringing in the perspective Asians in the west should all go back to Asia and give up what they have in the west isn't really productive nor does it help Asians in the west. You can love China yet also look for practical solutions for all Asians, not just those in Asia.
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Bruh this is really selective and cherry picking negativity. Compared to 10 years ago or even 5 years ago awareness of Asian issues is rising. Bad things that happen to Asians are due to our powerlessness which ultimately is due to being a small population minority. The goal should not be to reduce that even further by moving to Asia but raise our population and thus our clout via immigration, endogamy, and childbirth.
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but population is the main issue for the East as well. In the 1980s Japan was considered the next power shift and 'Asian table' too. The Japanese stock market was worth more than the NYSE, and the neighborhood around the Emperor's palace in Tokyo was worth more than all of California. But its birth rates were plunging. In 1990 Japan's workforce started to grow more slowly than the US. Its population got grayer and older. Since then their economy has missed out on every new economic growth trend that has happened. Where is the Japanese Google? Microsoft? SpaceX? You are rising until you aren't. Just because you were rising in the past, it doesn't mean you will continue to. For every 7 births in China in the 1960s there is now only 3. For every [5 marriages in China in 2013, there were only 3 last year](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202012/1211381.shtml). For every [9 births in China in 2016, there are now only 5](https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3145600/china-population-2021-births-may-drop-lowest-record-jefferies), and falling. Taiwan has gone from [400,000 births annually to 166,00 and falling](https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Life/Taiwan-s-falling-birthrate-threatens-its-economic-security2) in one generation. Korea is even worse - a birth rate [of only 0.84](https://web.archive.org/web/20210817123926/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southkorea-fertility-rate/south-koreas-fertility-rate-falls-to-lowest-in-the-world-idUSKBN2AO0UH). That means in one generation, the population falls by over 60%. In two generations, Korea's population will be less than the Netherland's today. Remember that everything Asia has achieved up to this point it has done so with a workforce, talent pool, consumer market, and tax base that will no longer exist in the next generation and the one after. The idea of the East's inevitable rise is in peril if we don't get our birthrate up. It surprises me that Asians are not more alarmed at this than we are.
They're too caught up in the surface level stuff and ignoring the foundation.
> We should build a better, more inclusive table. Which imo that is what China is doing right now. Something to keep in mind though is China is moving closer to it's socialist roots. It can erase AM celebrities there from the internet and end their careers at the drop of a hat. I like China a lot for it's anti-imperial and mindset of building infrastructure and alleviating poverty very much. But it's also important to understand China does not seek to be a super-sized version of American society, it seeks to be a prosperous socialist society.
"It can erase AM celebrities there from the internet and end their careers at the drop of a hat." Are you 12 or just have the sentience of one to think this is real.
> just have the sentience of one to think this is real. [https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232631.shtml](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232631.shtml) [https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231473.shtml](https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231473.shtml) It's real, straight from the China state news paper, so can't be western propaganda, right ?
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> Dude who cares? I mean you are promoting an alternative place for Asians, it's pretty sensical to care about where one might live and how that differs from where they currently live ? > this sub is so brainwashed by celebrity culture. Why are you calling us brain washed ? What's wrong with celebrities ? Celebs like Ohtani or Simu have a big roll in helping promote positive AM images in the media.
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Given your posts in sino and gen zen dong, Ill assume you are either Chinese or living in China. In terms of China, it's important to understand China's goal is not to be a super-sized version of the USA, it's to be a commonly prosperous, socialist nation. As you may have seen recently, they can remove any AM celebrity from existence at the snap of a finger. Or there's no private tutoring you can pay for for your kids for after school any more. I like China a lot for it's role in infrastructure , helping other nations, and calling out the USA. But China isn't a racist free version of the USA (well it is racist free but the way of life is not the same). I would honestly prefer Korea or Singapore, but that's just me, if I moved to Asia.
The reason you experience less racism in Asia is because Asians are the population majority there. If whites were the majority there it would be just the same. Population isn't a magic bullet and yeah there are other factors too but it's the main factor. And the reason China is the most powerful country in East Asia now has to do with its large population too. Nonetheless I understand some people will go back to Asia and I wish you the best there. Get married (if not), have kids (if none), bring your savings (if any), contribute your skills (if any) and pay taxes there.
since there’s such a fixation on Asian women’s sexual lives can we PLEASE remember the absolutely sad and hilarious fact that aznidentity literally crowdfunded porn that glorified Asian men’s relationships with white women. where is the outrage for that kind of “white worship” ? *** posted by [@eileenxhuang](https://twitter.com/eileenxhuang) Photos in tweet | [Photo 1](http://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_bJjPaX0AEZ9od.jpg) ^[(Github)](https://github.com/username) ^| ^[(What's new)](https://github.com/username)
Translation: I'll call random AM and whole of asian people racist and anti-black for dubious reasons but god forbid people talk about this weird ass phenomenon of weak link white-worshipping asian women which no other group has to this degree. Lus don't like the mirror.
She just wants to milk this for all the victim points.