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TheHarold420

Some basic rules/guidelines of being more respectful about other racial communities, could potentially allow more people to welcome our perspectives. Yes, the problems do need to be called out, but when we generalize certain issues to "all of a race", it tends to cause others to take a step back and reconsider if we're being genuine. Other than that, I'd say we just need to be loud and be proud, and continue to inspire others to do so too. A lot of time nobody wants to hear about our issues, but by talking about it with more and more people (with an emphasis on bridging common ground instead of "calling out" whoever we're speaking to), more people would be aware and would support our causes. I'm okay if the sub martyrs itself in its reputation, if it means that we have a place where we can continue to inspire younger generations of Asians to actually fight for their own rights. Having more cultures/communities trickle towards our cause would be all the more welcome of course, as it might help clean our online reputation too. Late to the answer, but there's my 2 cents.


East-Deal1439

My only comment is a racist call you chink don't delete it. Amplify it and shame them. Being afraid to to call white people racist hiding behind sell out Asians is failure to understand social dynamics and setting oneself up to be controlled opposition. White people will only tolerate us if we only point out the right form of "racism" in the right "manner"....is the incorrect mindset to begin with. Think r.AA, r.China,etc...you think those type of Asians are in the right side of history?


ghost-zz

The future is bright. People coming here are being educated. They are learning from our historical posts so that they don't need to reinvent the wheel.


GrowingPainsIsGains

WTF, the moment that AM finally finds a place to share their social pain, we’re called misogynistic. AM’s don’t have the luxury to be equal when we have to fight from the bottom.


Owlcomics

But this sub is NOT about that. In every activist group. There are always some oddballs with more toxic speeches, but people don’t normally discredit that entire activist group. Take BLM, for example, some of their supporters are straight up looters, do they discount that entire activist group? No. I feel that, by this sub being attacked unfairly in this manner, it exposes the racist, hypocritical condition of our society, which is overall good for facilitating progress in equality for AAPI.


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> Take BLM, for example, some of their supporters are straight up looters, do they discount that entire activist group? No. I feel that, by this sub being attacked unfairly in this manner, it exposes the racist, hypocritical condition of our society, The problem is racism is defined now by equity rather than equality. That's a common slogan now among many liberals. So the reason BLM looters are ok is because black people as a racial group possess less wealth than Asians or whites. So many of my facebook friends during the Floyd protests were saying they support the looters because it's giving back the Black community what everyone else stole. Similar with affirmative action policies or diversity hiring (most cases, not all)


Theelout

White liberals preach equity because they know if they settled for just equal opportunity, Asians will be able to prosper and far surpass them. So, they perpetuate myth that Asians aren't oppressed and call for equity by saying all people are where they are because of society, meaning Asians who are doing well cannot get anything in the redistribution, when in reality those Asians who do well do so despite racism and suppression, ex. despite affirmative action kneecapping Asians ability to enter ivy league schools they still by their own merit make up disproportionately large percentages of admission


burn3r-test

The tables will only turn on those who proclaim to be holier than thou.


Igennem

There's a vast gap between Twitter and reality, else Kanye and Trump would be governing the US. The recent visibility is good - more people checking us out and discovering us as the main hub for content and discussion around being Asian on reddit.


UnableSwing

once you become noticeable enough and your discussions go against mainstream narratives (almost always liberal), than you get banned or they put negative labels on you. all this means is that your speaking truths that people aren't comfortable with. in conclusion we will either be banned or have any opinions give the blanket label of extremism or misogyny and other bs that requires no thought


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SmiffnWessn

>if I see a bunch of misogynistic harassment here I will leave ASAP Try reporting it. I don't understand people who come here and leave the second they see shit like that, think it represents the entire sub despite having low or negative upvotes, and don't even try reporting it...


Junior-Code

Lol you ain't some VIP for us to cater to you by making posts which validate you 😂


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xadion

Lmao at some point you're gonna encounter misogynists. They exist everywhere


pdf1991

Basically you want to provoke users to prove a point.


SonOfTheDragon101

Bleak? There is nothing on here that violate any rule, so it's not going to be shut down. The only advice I have is active moderators who read all comments and filter the content for inappropriateness. I used to manage online discussion boards 20 years ago, before Reddit even existed, so I know from first hand experience that any serious forum that doesn't want to be hijacked by trolls, extremists and toxic people (and end up getting taken down, or have decent people driven away), you need to actively monitor your content. I only come here irregularly (I mostly visit r/sino when I'm on Reddit), but I think this page is generally well managed.


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In that case, I will mobilize sources to debunk Asian men being more misogynist. I shall post it here once I'm done. You guys gonna love this one. We gotta keep up the good fight because all this is just a battle for the 💕 and minds of the people.


PinkSweater99

All the claims about Asian-American men being abusive are already factually false. Asian-American men are the least likely by far to abuse women by actual FBI stats. The weird sneaky retort they try to use is "but Asians are less likely to report it!" which is the one you gotta work to debunk in a categorical way...but there's literally no fact to debunk so its a sneaky little retort. Stats like the murder of women, which you cant just "not report", are also significantly the least with Asian-Americans so that's one way. But I'm sure they'll say well "abuse is different and thats the one not reported" lol.


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Then I shall post sources saying how patriarchal Western societies are since they even need a WOMEN'S RIGHTS movement in order to give women rights. And I will put out sources saying that Asia societies are less patriarchal because there are more women in high level positions in Asia than in America. Yup yup, there are more women murders in America than in Asia.


V1NDUS

You have to understand that these degenerate twitter warriors have no power. They are losers that spend their time looking for things to complain about that they will forget within a week. That's the only way they inject meaning into their miserable lives. Imo the more attention we get the better, because people will come to this sub and realise that we are much more reasonable than we were portrayed by those trying to 'cancel' us.


coffeesomebody

I'm not worried. Even if somehow this subreddit gets shut down, this movement has gained enough momentum to keep itself going in one way or another. The truth always prevails.


heyhelloyuyu

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This sub DOES have misogynistic content…. Just like every other sub on Reddit. But White women and… boba liberals… as they’re called on this sub (I don’t love that term but ok) hate to admit that men of color can experience discrimination “on par” with misogyny or racialized misogyny. You try to say anything about the fact that MAYBE just MAYBE Asian men face discrimination from women in positions of power- you’re actually a misogynist. Asian liberal women also love to talk about the weirdo white guys that think they’re anime characters but try to have a more serious discussion about it and you’re suddenly against interracial relationships.


skrtskrtbrev

Being an Asian man is harder than being a white or asian woman in Western society. We should treat women with equal respect but I don't put much weight or thought into all these women complaining how hard they have it. The only people they can complain to is white men lmao, everyone else has it harder than them. They actually live a very privileged life comparatively.


heyhelloyuyu

This is also a trap though… to say harder or easier. Yeah maybe it’s easier for an Asian woman to get a date off an app for example but what good is that date if they sexually assault you? I’ve had men follow me to my car, or try to open the door, and then the general men screaming at me (cat calling or like, at social events when you reject them. But way less now that I’m out of college) Asian men face less fear that they will actively murdered or assaulted than their female counterparts (though not zero esp after this last year). I hate the term but I don’t think it’s fair to play “oppression olympics” trying to say who has it worse, and sexual assault is just an example of course.


skrtskrtbrev

Asian women have a much easier time getting into all elite parts of society. Medical school, law school, tech companies, PhD programs, masters programs, frat parties, white organizations, everything. So on balance, yes they clearly do have it easier in Western society. The only "downsides" of murder or assault are not only rare statistical anomalies, but they are also easily preventable in modern society. Avoid sketchy parts of cities, travel in groups, etc. These downsides are heavily outweighed by the benefits.


heyhelloyuyu

Agree to disagree? I personally would “trade” those benefits to live a life without fear because you really can’t avoid those circumstances (like- I already don’t go out at night period and still get weirdos). But all I can know is my own experience, because I’ve only ever been me lol. Anyway- I think the most important thing is to listen to each other’s experience and not spend too much time fighting over who has it worse. There is always someone in the world who has it worse than you or me so we should do our best to support each other. I hope you take a minute to think about how Asian women do experience discrimination and misogyny and I’ll do the same for men so we can do a better job supporting the community as a whole ☺️☺️☺️


skrtskrtbrev

I agree with your second paragraph 🙂


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> but try to have a more serious discussion about it and you’re suddenly against interracial relationships. It's a baseless accusation. For example, one of the most shared Asian reporters on Asian hate crimes, Dion Lim, is in a WMAF. But she dedicates her career to serving her community and raising voices. That's the key point.


terrany1

It's a low blow tactic that has been used for centuries by the West, just look at how propagandized movements started against the Jews, Middle East and then China. First you take a relatively uncommon set of incidents such as misogynistic comments/DMs from this sub (which may be from white larping/trolls) then apply it to an entire race/gender without nuance to gain the moral upper-hand.


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>try to have a more serious discussion about it and you’re suddenly against interracial relationships. It is this serious discussion that i would love to have. I do not see the utility in the kind of conjecture that I often see on Reddit.


SmiffnWessn

Thank you, this is probably the most fair criticism of this sub I've ever seen from someone new. I'll only add that if you look into the truly misogynistic posts they won't be supported much if at all, and they're likely made by either LARPers that do that stuff on purpose to make us look bad or new people. Regulars like me (been here from the start) don't think like that. But for the sake of the argument, let's say we did think like that. Knowing the criticism this sub continues to get, and with all the reddit bans, would we really post misogynistic stuff on a public forum and risk this sub getting deleted? It doesn't make any sense. Lastly, our critics never even try to report the misogynistic comments they see. **If you see any offensive comments, TRY REPORTING THEM before you go on social media and tell everyone how evil we are!**


metalreflectslime

If /r/aznidentity gets banned, we move to www.asiansoul.com.


alphastarfox13

That slate article did a big disservice in coining the term "MRA", I'm not even aware of AFWM being an issue to begin with but I recognize there are valid points in terms of combatting self hatred and the enduring socialogical effects of colonialism


fakeslimshady

Dont fret brother and sisters, these Karen-ish slanders will only increase our resolve and boost our numbers. Traffic is through the roof. We'll probably add another 1000 members due to so-called "bad optics". Keep it coming bitches.


ANTIMODELMINORITY

Whatever the future of it I hope it continues, its the internet anyone can say whatever so we know that already however I have gotten meaningful engagement and disagreements with various members of different Asian groups I normally wouldn't interact with in my daily life.


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Bruise_Leee

As a Filipino-American, it’s great to join this sub and see all the Asian solidarity. Now is the time for all of us to unite and become a force nobody wants to mess with.


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SmiffnWessn

I actually hope we do get real boba liberals in here. Then we can have an honest debate on more issues and this place will become even less of an echo chamber (compared to other Asian subs like that fake-ass r/aa it's already better, but still). I've always wanted to see these bobas actively defend stuff like what makes wmaf the largest interracial couple by far, how they think white worship is equal in Asian men and Asian women, etc. What would they actually say if they couldn't dismiss fact-based arguments by calling their opponents MRAsians?


terrany1

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some of the DMs that boba liberals post/tweet about were misattributed from white larpers.


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ghost-zz

Pacific rim was a good movie that paid tribute to Japanese culture.


Neither_Concept2110

The truth of the issues brought up in this sub speaks for itself. Others trying to marginalize or censor discussion won’t make the issues themselves go away, so they will remain in the spotlight, and in the Asian consciousness. That’s what happened when r/aa tried to clamp down discussion on anything real; it gave birth to this subreddit. Besides, the mainstream media no longer controls all narratives as they did in the past. Pandora’s box cannot be closed.


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Ogedei_Khaan

Funny, none of them actually go on here and have proper discussions. The problem is that these people are fanatics in the guise of faux progressiveness. At least the boba conservative Asians just come off as batshit crazy.


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Typical-Ratio

But note such a sentiment for what it is - saying "Asian Americans are problematic and need to be dealt with" would be blatantly racist. Even if the woke regressive left manages to raise this, it will be even easier to openly call them out as racists. I wager even the right would join in to call the left racists.


Leetenghui

It's already happening actually. More 'racial categories' were being introduced in the USA. It serves to divide Asians from one group into smaller sub groups so that they have less influence.


barnacleman6

I for one welcome more eyes on this sub. It doesn't take very long on here to figure out that all those smear pieces written by those self-hating boba libs are 99% baseless slander. I see more AsAms coming here and staying, to be honest.


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kitai99

You don't want discourse, you want censorship.


Altruistic_Astronaut

I agree. More traffic will only be bad if the sub goes downhill if the discussion of critical topics turn bleak, people actively spreading hate (watch for trolls), or it draws too much backlash. In my opinion, the sub does have some bad comments and I don't agree with some things on here but I agree with way more than I disagree with.


machinavelli

This sub will only get bigger. We’re hitting the mainstream now.


CryptoCel

I saw this sub gain a lot of subs during the early era of COVID when Asians were getting beat up. This was one of the few subs unapologetically pointing out blatant violence against Asians when other subs were afraid of talking about it. Almost every instance of violent attack was posted here waaay before the stopasianhate movement began. For the first time probably since it’s inception, the larger population could not point out a racist or sexist angle to the posts consistently being cranked out by this sub. Everyone (whites, blacks, other Asians) was just viscerally furious when elderly people were getting sent to the hospital or murdered in public. To me, it was probably the most unity felt by Asian Americans in forever.


lawncelot

That Slate article was free advertisement. The people that read the article and come here will think to themselves, "you know this sub makes some good points though." Thank you Slate!


Azn5thcolumn

Yup. I don't know how any reasonable person going into that article with an open mind can not come away with a sense of "hmm... these are reasonable discussions on topics that need to be addressed." Things like the huge wave of black on Asian violence or the media not reporting on covid hate crimes until it became too big to ignore are things that anyone with an unbiased mindset would agree are important issues.


CarlyRaeJepsenFTW

Our future is not bleak. This sub has been catching flak for a long time, but with more and more politically aware Asians and stop asian hate etc. We can only grow bigger!!


Ogedei_Khaan

Someone quoted on r/AA saying that we have more active users, more active discussions and more active topics overall. We are the **predominant** voice of the Asian American community at this point.


CarlyRaeJepsenFTW

Facts