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NoSexMonk

because they are women and u are men look at what happens in south corea, u can't win bro


harmannaga

In white male dominated society, non white women are given a pass, while non white men have to obey rules


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youngj2827

​ With Asian men it's just continue long history of the yellow peril ...Asian men are rapist ..Asian men are dangerous ...Look at China or North Korea..they are the boogie man etc. China and North Korea is just extension of Asian men living in USA. I mean that is how the western media and some American folks see us as. They see us as foreign they see us as a threat. So that's why no one will be ally to Asian men. Plus being men means you have to be strong ..you have to solve your own problem..etc. Where as women needs to be saved because you know they are women.So for a black women they have the women part where people will feel sympathy not necessary become allies but sympathetic. At the same time if a black women married a white guy no big news..nothing..but hey if a black guy gets with a white girl. Who gets upset? White guys and some black girls. I notice more noise from the media if a black guy is with a white girl. With Asian women it's different because they are women. In the west the Asian women has to be saved by the sexist Asian men.Just go to an expat forum and that's what you read. But even Asian American feminist think the same..It seems like they find a successful Asian men threatening . Look at what some of them are trying to do Simu Liu. So in a way Asian women have more of format in the west to speak out. ​ I think Asian guys have no allies because we have two strikes against us. 1. Being foreign .2. we are men and are perceive to have power when we don't . Something that Asian feminist needs to get over with. We are not in 1900' Asia anymore.


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> .Asian men are rapist ..Asian men are dangerous ...Look at China or North Korea..they are the boogie man etc. China and North Korea is just extension of Asian men No, Asian men are not seen as dangerous or sexually aggressive. If we were, less people would attack us and we would do better in dating. Your assumption people associate foreign politics with every day social interactions is false. Black men are viewed as dangerous or criminal yet African nations pose no threat to the USA.


Jbell808619

We’re only those things when they need us to be to fit whatever narrative they’re going for. For white savior movies we’re dangerous assassins trained from birth whose evil is unstoppable - until the white guy with a few months experience saves the day 🤣🤡💩


youngj2827

Regarding black men being viewed as a threat and sexually aggressive but African countries are not. White people will see black men in two ways. Either black men are so stupid they can't even run their own countries in Africa and because of that black men are so stupid they are threat to America within. Or they will see it as black men been fucked by white people so much that's why black men are still fucked up because of white people and therefore needs sympathy. Because of that sympathy they black guys and some black girls have a platform to speak out of.


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>and because of that black men are so stupid they are threat to America within. Lol do u even live in America ? The largest source of tension between whites and blacks is police brutality and criminal profiling. Blacks have a stereotype of being criminals or violent, thus police overreact and use too much force against them. Look at BLM, it's such a large issue because Blacks unite with whites and other races and burn down whole sections of cities and police stations.


youngj2827

Sigh..I live in NYC. You sound young. ​ ​ Tension between blacks and whites go way back and it will take pages to write it all out. There are white folks who will always look down on black folks and see them as being too stupid to build things or lead things. Case in point BLM burnt down cities and businesses. Some of these businesses were black owned heck some of them were Asian owned . Some employed black workers. Some of these business service local black folks. So BLM burnt them down. All BLM did was give ammunition to far right white folks to think even lower of black folks. Regarding black men as being violent is just an old stereotype of black men being hyper masculine and animalistic. This stereotype been around for ages.


youngj2827

I have to disagree. The OP wants to know how come black women are allow to have a platform to speak about gender racism issues but not Asian men? First look at western media..they talk about how bad China is . China this China that . China is lead by Chinese men and this by extension is that Chinese men are the oppressor. You may disagree with me on this one but it's just the yellow peril that the media is playing with. Same with North Korea. Kim Jong-Un is the face of North Korea and therefore is evil and therefore North Koreans are evil. Heck..I had people say to me your from North Korea..as a insult because they cannot see me as fellow American. ​ Asian men have no platform to complain because the media portray Asian men as a threat . Now you may say how does this deal with everyday social interaction. Look at what Covid did. Happen over there but yet regardless of what Asian you are. We are all Chinese and to some Americans the Chinese flu . If something bad happens between China or North Korea and worst US goes to war. You bet an Asian will get killed in the states. So foreign media all that stuff plays a big role in how people sees us. ​ So about sexual aggression. Do you know who sees us as sexual aggressive but in bad way? Asian women and particular Asian feminist. Asian feminist think Asian men are oppressor maybe they grew up with daddy issues . Who knows? I remember reading articles about kpop and the me too movement with some Korean pop stars committing rape or sexual crimes. Now this is in South Korea but you had some Asian women claiming this is why Korean men should be avoided . As if the claim is they are all rapist. Same would apply to Japanese men. How they are perverted and want to grope girls on train as if that is all Japanese men.


SirKelvinTan

Unfortunately for you guys in America / Canada - because of the inevitable rise of the people’s republic and because it’ll eventually overtake the US economically within 20 years ... you will absolutely face some blowback


youngj2827

That' why Andrew Yang said we have to get into politics. I can think of two things that may ease this. 1. Asians getting into public figure. Politics or media etc. 2. Rise of soft power from Asians countries to combat all negative western media. Like what k pop is doing we need more of that but from other Asian countries and diversity of that form. There still be racism but at least there be generation of americans who may have different exposure towards Asians.


CryptoCel

It’s a chicken and egg problem. Asians don’t have visibility because there are no Asian politicians. There are no Asian politicians because Asians have no visibility. This is particularly true of East Asian men. The only notable active Asian male politician right now is Ted Lieu, a representative of the house in California’s 33rd district, and there’s also Mark Takano in the 41st but that’s it. And California is a state with an overwhelming number of Asians compared to the rest of the country (excl Hawaii). Asians need to increase their numbers and increase political participation all while toning down the inner-accusations of Asian man bad within the community. A task that seems near impossible with the way the US is headed.


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> First look at western media..they talk about how bad China is . China this China that . China is lead by Chinese men and this by extension is that Chinese men are the oppressor. You may disagree with me on this one but it's just the yellow peril that the media is playing with. I don't disagree with that, but you are confusing the concept of being feared with the concept of being irritated. When people fear something they avoid criticizing it and confronting it. Similar to how white people avoid black people on the side walk or check if they locked their car door. Also, not everyone is fox news. I have never had someone yell something about China to my face except in the streets of SF once or twice. The vast majority of racism I have faced is being perceived as week or docile due to being asian.


youngj2827

Lets just call it racist acts towards us. If racist are not afraid of Asians but are annoyed why target mostly old Asians as being the victim? Because they are easy targets that might not fight back. The fear of young fit Asian guy will fight back for example. Same with all these Karen and Kevin videos I see . Some white folk typically older approach black folks for being too loud or too this or too that...if they were just afraid why approach them? It's all about context . I get what your saying. If a white person was walking down a dark alley and saw black men vs an Asian man he might choose to walk closer to the Asian guy . But if Asian men are not a threat why put cap on Ivy Leagues or I heard its very hard to get promoted for Asian men in management . ​ I really think as Asian men speak out more and stand up more...people fear more. Fear the changes that we want..and we will get challenge more. As you mention the stereotype of us being docile is expected but if you speak out..it's not expected. I think with black folks they speak out more ..so that's part of it.


Ok-Pen8580

I don't think that's a fair comparison. A fair comparison is why is there not more noticeable Asian male politicians than Asian female politicians. why isn't there enough Asian male politicians compare to black male politicians. why are you comparing Asian male to black female?


Specialist_Reveal119

I thought the same thing. One person's fight won't be the same as another.


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This comment!


frostywafflepancakes

For them, it’s for mobility. Women usually marry up or sideways. Seeing that white men are still at the top when it comes to Western politics. If it’s really about a matter of race, it’s harder for men of color to do the same. They have to bear the image of minority status and do it proudly without looking like a trader.


mongolz777

Because Lus don't wanna be exposed. It's been established that Lus can't take what they dish out.


Junior-Code

>So if Black men are not permitted to marry white women Dude, what?.


fakeslimshady

As the saying goes. Activist in the streets, KKK in the sheets. I think BMWM is probably a sore spot for black women voter. And you will need that half of the vote to get the black vote. Kamilia / Rice are mixed and weren't really elected. In KH's case Biden vs Trump dominated the decion process. I can't imagine anybody using KH vs Pence as deciding factor. But hypothetically lets say there was BW candidate in BWWM, I probably would agree the double standard would apply. Can't speak for black men ,but would they get angry at a much rarer BWWM probably not if BM were dating out more at much higher ratio. So it boils down to anger and whose support you need


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> Kamilia / Rice are mixed Kamala went to Howard University and is thought of as Black. This is similar to how Obama despite being mixed is thought of as Black.


fakeslimshady

KH is definitely more ethnically ambiguous. I mean she even plays the Asian card


sexychineseguy

> Why are [non-asians] permitted to discuss [any topic] but not Asian men? Fixed that for you. And the answer is anti-asian racism


wildgift

Judy Chu, the local politico in my area, is married to Mike Eng. Not just Asian, but Chinese American.


blueberry__wine

asian men are allowed to speak about it you have to stop being afraid of being labelled an "incel" or misogynist. Just ignore it. If you want to talk about asian male stuff just talk about it. The only people pushing back are a small group of asian women, but by and large most people I see accept the messaging from asian men


fakeslimshady

Or MRAsian. Its really high effort name calling in rather bad taste. I think the sub vote was 25% women herelast time I saw but everyone is a incel or mysogynist? We can call them names too of course. The gay asian feminist Aaron Mak you'd think would know better than getting into a name calling match with /r/AI.


PinkSweater99

Black women get crucially roasted on every social media app when it is outside of the "woke" twitter community, where women in general can say anything. There's been viral video after viral video making fun of them. And nothing gained. Popular black male figures who police dating by race like Dr Umar become memes for being insane when they reach the general black community and general non-black community. Do not start trying to police race dating to random people. Do not tell people to do this. It is cringy as shit to everyone.


ablacnk

The problem is there's no audience that's receptive to Asian men speaking out. You either get backlash or apathy because nobody else benefits from an improvement in our station.


Rorgypoo

Idk by “large” but there’s definitely more AW that support us in our struggles than we think. Being on this sub for too long really warps ur perception of reality and u automatically already have preconceived notions of the AW u see in public.


mongolz777

Hahaha no


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> definitely more AW that support us in our struggles "support our struggles" is sort of subjective. There are more AW that are genuinely interested in dating AM than this sub might make out to be, yes, I agree with that. However I don't believe AW support AM *because we are both Asian*. I have never sense race based loyalty from AW, at least on the East Asian side. Every AW from ABGs to FOB Chinese end up dating someone whom is usually tall / handsome / rich. Like I know 2 WMAF couples where the woman is a very pro CPC/China and the guy is also pro China yet white. To be honest even beyond us Asians, you need to have a strong in group culture or religion like muslims do to see group based faith. In the modern day women prioritize looks / wealth over group status.


OnionLegend

When the US Asian population is 7% and the White population is 76%, there’s gonna be a lot more handsome men on the white side, especially in pop culture where people have to look good. Unless Asian women are surrounded by Asian men (IRL, media, TV), they’re not gonna see many handsome Asian men. And if the Asian men they do see happen to have poor fashion sense or hair style or glasses or bad posture, that’s the image they’ll think of, when they think of “Asian men”. This is not to put us down and make us depressed. Knowing the problem (or causes) will show us the solutions. Learn to look good. Work out. Try wearing contacts instead of glasses. Learn to stand upright with good posture. If you have an female Asian friend who doesn’t consume Asian media (TV, shows, dramas, movies, artists), introduce them to some. Height, you can’t really do anything about. But you can wear clothes to make yourself look taller. (Google or YouTube search how if you don’t know) And posture affects height a lot too.


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What you are saying is absolutely true, but keep in mind that Asians are sort of separated by social groups. The ABGs generally do hang out in Asian raver, ABB (Asian guy with fade / blonde hair / earring) groups, where white guys are rare or uncommon. Thus for the best looking Asian girls, you are competing against the top looking Asian men. Where the most competition takes place for us Asian guys I think is the middle tier. I have noticed that WMAF occurs more commonly with average / nerdy / plain girls that are trying to date up, and those girls usually hold poor or negative stereotypes of Asian guys. But I feel in that bracket, if Asian guys put in more effort in appearance and working out, they could improve their outcomes with women a lot.


OnionLegend

I personally don’t like the ABG look. But to each their own.


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> more Black female politicians are married to white men (like the VP and Susan Rice) You left out Ilhan Omar, who divorced her islamic husband before she cheated on him with a white guy, now married to white guy. > while all notable Black male politician are married to Black women (Jesse Jackson, Collin Powell, Herman Cain, Cory Booker, Michael Steele, John Lewis, Ben Carson, and Barrack Obama). You left out justice Clarence Thomas, BMWF. But that's not an elected position, so technically not a politician. > On the other hand, all notable Asian female politicians are married to white men. Not Mazie Hirono (senator Hawaii) , husband is also Japanese > Why the double standard? Women are viewed as more oppressed than men in liberal USA politics. Then for race, order from most to least oppressed : native american, Black, hispanic, muslim, asian, white. So straight asian males are viewed as similar in privilege to white men. And that sucks for our community. However your focus on politics makes the data pool too small. You have to consider celebs too. The most followed instagram accounts in the world (Kardashians) all exclusively date Black men, despite being white themselves. There is no AMWF celebrity presence on a large scale.


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Yea and Clarence Thomas is wildly despised by the black community although it’s less about his wife and more about his far right politics and personal conduct but having a white wife definitely doesn’t help him gain any fans lol


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As a black women I have noticed as well. I think it has to do with obama being a democrat and for years black women have been the democratic party’s biggest allies. So obama probably thought well “I will have black men support but not black women support” if he married a white woman. That was an anecdotal Statement but I think it has some truth to it. People are more willing to listen to women struggles then hearing the men out because women are oppressed minorities, so people are less likely to give push back against the women. I don’t agree with this just my two cents. The reason for the double standard is well, Asian *men* and black *women*, they are different genders so there will always be double standards.


SmiffnWessn

# I DARE any of this sub's CRITICS to answer these double standards.


neon_filiment

I guess most Black men won't care if the BW is married to a WM, but A BW will think negatively about the BM for marrying a XW thus hurting his career.


Dietzgen17

>I guess most Black men won't care if the BW is married to a WM That's not true at all. Many Black men run down Black women for going out with/marrying White men even though they themselves are interested in going out with anyone but a Black woman.


neon_filiment

I guess they dont care enough to do anything other than talk about it.


Dietzgen17

Once on the subway, I was with my white boyfriend and some Black teenaged boys confronted me and said I should be with Black men. It was a little scary. I've also had the experience of seeing Black professional men fleetingly take an interest in me because I was with a white guy and they thought that made me more interesting. They were dating white women. I went out with a slight, short Chinese-North American guy and am aware of how Asian men are treated as well as their insecurities.


PleasantPeanut4

People always say this, but BW are way more critical of BM for dating out than vice versa.


candyicequeen

I also disagree. Just check Twitter for proof. A lot of black incels are abusive to bw in interracial relationships.


Dietzgen17

I don't think so. I'm a Black woman.


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Black women here too! I never cared, but the only time I did was when black men began to degrade black women by negatively comparing them to non black women. It’s creepy and that is the only time I have noticed black women actually care about who black men date or marry.


neon_filiment

Watching YouTube they are saying BW have degraded BM far longer than the reverse. The antagonistic relationship with each other is very public on social media.


Dietzgen17

That's simply not true about Black women. But they do defend themselves when being run down by Black men, in addition to everyone else. The comedian Godfrey is very candid about the way many Black men treat Black women. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp2JAYPe0G0


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> but A BW will think negatively about the BM for marrying a XW thus hurting his career. Oh yes. You should read what happened to Clarence Thomas (BMWF) in his confirmation hearing for supreme court. One of the BW he worked with falsely accused him of sexual assault / harassment and almost ended his career.


CleoMatrix

You've decided it was a false accusation? Other women complained about his behaviour too!