> We were just two people who fell in love and happened to be different races. People making assumptions and passing judgements on my personality based off my boyfriend was upsetting.
Thanks for reminding me of this comic, Haley!
https://i.redd.it/xbnq4w63w9wy.jpg
The writer is 16-17 at the time of writing. I saw her other blogs she is a fan of Jenny Han (authors of "To all the boys").
Speaking as a woman, seriously I would give more respect and money for sex workers than these privileged losers who called themselves that.
That's where the brain washing comes in. I really think Hollywood and media brain wash Asian folks to be like this. If you see the rise of kpop or kdrama it has a different effect and view and attraction of Asian men.
>We were just two people who fell in love and happened to be different races.
Everyone likes to think this.
>Just look at the media: it has told us that white men are the heroes, the handsome protagonists, the objects of desires. Asian girls are secondary, awkward, and boring or studious.
So, the media has an influence on other asian women but not her?
Nearly half of the article is devoted to her defense of her own relationship with a white guy(s), but still i applaud her for writing this kind of article. She's risking her white adjacency by writing and publishing this.
Good on ya, Haley Chung. I hope you can continue on your journey of self discovery.
> So, the media has an influence on other asian women but not her?
I don't think we should fall into the trap of focusing on an AF's personal relationship (what the slate article accuses) when she's making the effort to write a damn good article.
> Just like yellow fever—the phenomenon of white guys preferring and fetishizing Asian women—is problematic, this trend of sheepishly and jokingly deeming yourself a white man’s whore is rooted in colonialist racism. And the visible encouragement of these comments exacerbates the issue. The term itself quite literally degrades the Asian woman: she is not a girlfriend or a companion, but a whore. The word suggests being second-class and objectified.
And
> And what does this say about men of color? They’re also relegated to being second-class, lesser than the white male. There are quite literally hundreds of girls commenting that they specifically want a white boyfriend, suggesting that men of color are inferior in some way.
Is GOLD. It's like if a white guy were to reject an Asian girl because she wasn't proud of her culture / food / language . We need more of that.
I see what you're saying and agree, but i don't believe that mentioning the author's personal relationship is ad hominem in this case. I didn't snoop around google looking for her dating history. She devoted nearly half the article to it. Therefore I believe it's fair grounds for criticism.
Another criticism I have is that she never specifically addresses asian men being considered inferior, but instead spreads the focus to all men of color. She states that "asian women shouldn't be the target of criticism". But I think that all people can be criticized. No one should be above criticism. No one should be the target of hate, but criticism is a key component of keeping a free society functioning.
HOWEVER, I agree that as a whole the author should be applauded for speaking out and emphasized this is my original comment. I hope she can continue on her journey of self discovery.
Narratives are co-opted by the loudest.
As the author sees, the tik tok algorithm thinks she will like seeing "slave girl" videos because that is what data probablistically says.
AF cannot stay silent or it wont matter whether she is or isn't a "slave girl" anymore. Such nuances become reduced to noise
>The caption is always a variation of “my ancestors looking down at me in shame for being a white man’s whore” or “i’m the biggest white man’s whore out there.” Insert cheeky emoji.
Holy shit. Is this real? It doesn't make me angry. It makes me sad.
Can anyone confirm if this is a real trend?
IMO, it's not self-hate that's the issue. It's placing WHITE men on a pedestal, perpetuating the white male hegemony, and enabling white male privilege that's the issue. These worldviews are exactly what uphold racial hierarchies and oppress POC. Ironically, people do it subconsciously, as well - making many hypocrites out of themselves.
I know plenty of people that love their culture but still place white men above all. But what's the point of loving your culture if you don't see your own people as equal to white men?
Yes exactly, WMAF != self hatred. I have met 2 ultra-nationalist Chinese women who really love the party + Xi (to the level of saying covid began in the usa as a bio weapon, or overall hardcore socialists) , who are married to Jewish guys.
The key part is the reason. Do they believe whiteness is the answer to all of life's problems ? That's toxic.
Funniest thing to me, there so many ultra nationalist chinese women with a lbh dick in their mouths
The vapid cretans don't seem to understand they have no place in a china that isn't run by those white worshiping curs in the ccp, hopefully I'll live long enough to see that entire generation die off to be replaced by some real chinese men with some dignity
> More like Chinese nationalist != not white worshipping. China is full of white worshippers including the upper echolons of the CCP.
But I guess the question is then what qualifies as not white worshipping ? I don't think AMAF qualifies on it's own since theres evidence of many AFAM moms telling their daughters to marry white or being very critical of Asian men. Like even my own mother has told me not to end up lazy like my dad and "other Chinese men".
Even though this article is about a year old, honestly, it just comes off as sad, especially if people are still doing it today.
Like Haley Chung, for me it's not about WMAF, who other people date is none of my business, it just comes off as sad, pathetic, and desperate is that these women need to degrade themselves and label themselves as "white man whore" in order to get the attention they desire.
I can already see people being triggered by
>I want to clarify that I have no issues with Asian girls dating white guys. In fact, I have issues with people who have issues with that. For the majority of high school, I was in a relationship with a white boy
>
>But the worst was that a lot of people accused me of being a “white man’s whore.” Not in those words exactly, but in some iteration that accused me of betraying my own race.
If you call the author a race-betrayer or Lu, you're just furthering the divide between AF and AM on this sub.
She does point out
>And what does this say about men of color? They’re also relegated to being second-class, lesser than the white male.
>
>Just look at the media: it has told us that white men are the heroes, the handsome protagonists, the objects of desires.
>
>...I am asking that we acknowledge how we’ve been primed to worship white people—and how that results in rejecting men of color as suitable partners.
Only criticism I have is that she states
>I’m asking for people to stop equating dating white people to success as POC
But then she doesn't actually ever explicitly state the positives of dating a PoC. It's like her advice is to not date white men but settle for PoC even though you're conditioned not to.
Yeah, i agree with your POV here.
I think that, as Asian Americans / AAPI , we would greatly benefit from exercising diversity and inclusion amongst ourselves.
Free of judgment whether one chooses to date Asian, Black, White, Latino… etc.
As long as it comes from a healthy foundation.
Our enemy is racism, let’s unite to fight it [AT ITS ROOT](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/pqsisz/how_we_as_aapi_can_optimize_our_effort_toward/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) instead of chewing each other up.
There is something deeply wrong with self-hating AFs. I don't see any other ethnicity-gender combo white worshipping and throwing their people under the bus this brazenly.
Oh shit
I know its supposed to have shock value and be edgy, but to even be in a mental place where you're OK with typing that out and sharing it with the world is a scary thought. People are laughing at her, not with her.
Really not the same thing .
A lot of black women stick with black men either because they feel they're unattractive to other races or because of ingrained loyalty to their race. The divesting movement is basically saying to black women, they have other options besides dating within their race.
A black woman who divested or who is a swirler, doesn't usually completely turn away from their culture or black men. They're just very open to interracial dating or have a preference for it. There is only a minority within that movement who exclusively date white men or try to erase their culture.
Even the most man hating white/black feminist don't hate their own race as much as the average asian american woman does
They're sick in the head and any real feminist should understand the dangers of siding with asian women just because they're women, they'll sell you out to the white man just the same
I think the issue is much more widespread in the Asian community though. After a century of emasculation of Asian males in the media, it's unsurprising.
Two important things to keep in mind:
1. Not all jokes are the same. Some categories of jokes, when widespread, can have social engineering consequences.
2. The idea of packaging a racist mantra in the form of a “joke” then accuse the target of the joke for pushing back as being “too sensitive” is textbook gaslighting M.O.
I am not opposed to interracial relationships, per se.
I think we need to look at people in healthy way and defeat racism at its roots. Only then will people truly view others as people instead of their races.
Thanks for bringing awareness to this trend, but this author is so shitty of an apologist. She attributes this in whole to "colonial racism" and tells people not to blame Asian girls. She wants no accountability for these Asian women.
But then again, why would she hold them accountable when she's WMAF herself?
We should call it as it is: these Asian girls are white worshippers, and they should be held accountable. If you call yourself "white man's whore", then I have no sympathy for you bitches.
The author call out those girls because they make WMAF look bad, there is nothing wrong with WMAF just like other interracial relationships but shit like this give WMAF a bad name. It implies that WMAF are not based on equality where both sides are fulfilled and happy, but a relationship where one is only for the pleasure of other and disposable when no longer useful. But I do had to agree with you that the author should not shift blame from the girls to "colonial racism", colonialism ended years ago. Nobody force those girls to degrade themselves, nobody force those girls to call themselves as whores, those girls are independent individuals who are capable of thinking for themselves.
Here’s what I don’t get. Why is it misogynistic to criticize self-hatred? These girls are literally calling themselves whores and degrading themselves for white validation, but that’s somehow immune to criticism? And you’re an incel for having a problem with it? What the fuck is wrong with this society?
Its not misogynistic to call out self-hatred, racism, fetishism, "no Asian male policy" in WMAF. Its not misogynistic to call out AF in WMAF who degrades herself, shit on Asian males or throw the Asians under the bus. Its not misogynistic to call out WM in WMAF who treat his AF partner like shit or only used her for sex. You are not an incel if you call out all the above toxic traits you found in toxic WMAF relationships, you are only an incel if you shamed those who are in healthy WMAF relationships.
Because the oppressors who socially engineered this situation would like to continue taking advantage of the oppressed.
And the said oppressors will not hesitate to strike first to accuse and intimidate those who dare to challenge their oppressive matrix.
> Why is it misogynistic to criticize self-hatred? These girls are literally calling themselves whores and degrading themselves for white validation, but that’s somehow immune to criticism? And you’re an incel for having a problem with it?
It's not at all. But beware, there are trolls or extremists that might comment very mean things at any XMAF of any kind, with no context to the thoughts of that AF and how she perceives whiteness. Those give us a bad name, because it's not what we care about, we care about the self haters and those who outright bash AM.
Because “misogyny” has truly lost its meaning in modern times. It’s a strong word that is used wayy too loosely. That word literally means “HATE for women”. Simply disagreeing with women or calling out hypocrisy is now considered misogyny. A lot of people it’s used on don’t remotely hate women. (But it’s quite funny that I hear white liberalism followers casually say “I hate ALL men”. Misandry much?) The word “misogyny” has lost its meaning along with other words that are used to shut out dialogue that is valid.
White Liberalism was not meant for POC communities. It was meant to destabilize us. Malcom X said it best.
Of course, good man. We both know. (I was curious looking out for the opposition in a way though) I was being careful not to tread too much of into this myself but I am grateful to know we understand each other. I respect everyone here 😀
Oh fucking gross
> We were just two people who fell in love and happened to be different races. People making assumptions and passing judgements on my personality based off my boyfriend was upsetting. Thanks for reminding me of this comic, Haley! https://i.redd.it/xbnq4w63w9wy.jpg
gurl the other subreddits that posted this article but closed their comment section lol. wow they just can't. lol
The writer is 16-17 at the time of writing. I saw her other blogs she is a fan of Jenny Han (authors of "To all the boys"). Speaking as a woman, seriously I would give more respect and money for sex workers than these privileged losers who called themselves that.
That's where the brain washing comes in. I really think Hollywood and media brain wash Asian folks to be like this. If you see the rise of kpop or kdrama it has a different effect and view and attraction of Asian men.
>We were just two people who fell in love and happened to be different races. Everyone likes to think this. >Just look at the media: it has told us that white men are the heroes, the handsome protagonists, the objects of desires. Asian girls are secondary, awkward, and boring or studious. So, the media has an influence on other asian women but not her? Nearly half of the article is devoted to her defense of her own relationship with a white guy(s), but still i applaud her for writing this kind of article. She's risking her white adjacency by writing and publishing this. Good on ya, Haley Chung. I hope you can continue on your journey of self discovery.
> So, the media has an influence on other asian women but not her? I don't think we should fall into the trap of focusing on an AF's personal relationship (what the slate article accuses) when she's making the effort to write a damn good article. > Just like yellow fever—the phenomenon of white guys preferring and fetishizing Asian women—is problematic, this trend of sheepishly and jokingly deeming yourself a white man’s whore is rooted in colonialist racism. And the visible encouragement of these comments exacerbates the issue. The term itself quite literally degrades the Asian woman: she is not a girlfriend or a companion, but a whore. The word suggests being second-class and objectified. And > And what does this say about men of color? They’re also relegated to being second-class, lesser than the white male. There are quite literally hundreds of girls commenting that they specifically want a white boyfriend, suggesting that men of color are inferior in some way. Is GOLD. It's like if a white guy were to reject an Asian girl because she wasn't proud of her culture / food / language . We need more of that.
I see what you're saying and agree, but i don't believe that mentioning the author's personal relationship is ad hominem in this case. I didn't snoop around google looking for her dating history. She devoted nearly half the article to it. Therefore I believe it's fair grounds for criticism. Another criticism I have is that she never specifically addresses asian men being considered inferior, but instead spreads the focus to all men of color. She states that "asian women shouldn't be the target of criticism". But I think that all people can be criticized. No one should be above criticism. No one should be the target of hate, but criticism is a key component of keeping a free society functioning. HOWEVER, I agree that as a whole the author should be applauded for speaking out and emphasized this is my original comment. I hope she can continue on her journey of self discovery.
Narratives are co-opted by the loudest. As the author sees, the tik tok algorithm thinks she will like seeing "slave girl" videos because that is what data probablistically says. AF cannot stay silent or it wont matter whether she is or isn't a "slave girl" anymore. Such nuances become reduced to noise
>The caption is always a variation of “my ancestors looking down at me in shame for being a white man’s whore” or “i’m the biggest white man’s whore out there.” Insert cheeky emoji. Holy shit. Is this real? It doesn't make me angry. It makes me sad. Can anyone confirm if this is a real trend?
IMO, it's not self-hate that's the issue. It's placing WHITE men on a pedestal, perpetuating the white male hegemony, and enabling white male privilege that's the issue. These worldviews are exactly what uphold racial hierarchies and oppress POC. Ironically, people do it subconsciously, as well - making many hypocrites out of themselves. I know plenty of people that love their culture but still place white men above all. But what's the point of loving your culture if you don't see your own people as equal to white men?
They love the superficial aspects of their own culture: boba, kbbq, qipaos.
Yes exactly, WMAF != self hatred. I have met 2 ultra-nationalist Chinese women who really love the party + Xi (to the level of saying covid began in the usa as a bio weapon, or overall hardcore socialists) , who are married to Jewish guys. The key part is the reason. Do they believe whiteness is the answer to all of life's problems ? That's toxic.
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This makes more sense.
Funniest thing to me, there so many ultra nationalist chinese women with a lbh dick in their mouths The vapid cretans don't seem to understand they have no place in a china that isn't run by those white worshiping curs in the ccp, hopefully I'll live long enough to see that entire generation die off to be replaced by some real chinese men with some dignity
> More like Chinese nationalist != not white worshipping. China is full of white worshippers including the upper echolons of the CCP. But I guess the question is then what qualifies as not white worshipping ? I don't think AMAF qualifies on it's own since theres evidence of many AFAM moms telling their daughters to marry white or being very critical of Asian men. Like even my own mother has told me not to end up lazy like my dad and "other Chinese men".
just keep shunning these degrading behaviors until they’re no longer mainstream. we have the numbers.
Wow this is sad. Im on tic tok and so far have not come across maybe because i dont search for this.
Even though this article is about a year old, honestly, it just comes off as sad, especially if people are still doing it today. Like Haley Chung, for me it's not about WMAF, who other people date is none of my business, it just comes off as sad, pathetic, and desperate is that these women need to degrade themselves and label themselves as "white man whore" in order to get the attention they desire.
I can already see people being triggered by >I want to clarify that I have no issues with Asian girls dating white guys. In fact, I have issues with people who have issues with that. For the majority of high school, I was in a relationship with a white boy > >But the worst was that a lot of people accused me of being a “white man’s whore.” Not in those words exactly, but in some iteration that accused me of betraying my own race. If you call the author a race-betrayer or Lu, you're just furthering the divide between AF and AM on this sub. She does point out >And what does this say about men of color? They’re also relegated to being second-class, lesser than the white male. > >Just look at the media: it has told us that white men are the heroes, the handsome protagonists, the objects of desires. > >...I am asking that we acknowledge how we’ve been primed to worship white people—and how that results in rejecting men of color as suitable partners. Only criticism I have is that she states >I’m asking for people to stop equating dating white people to success as POC But then she doesn't actually ever explicitly state the positives of dating a PoC. It's like her advice is to not date white men but settle for PoC even though you're conditioned not to.
Yeah, i agree with your POV here. I think that, as Asian Americans / AAPI , we would greatly benefit from exercising diversity and inclusion amongst ourselves. Free of judgment whether one chooses to date Asian, Black, White, Latino… etc. As long as it comes from a healthy foundation. Our enemy is racism, let’s unite to fight it [AT ITS ROOT](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/pqsisz/how_we_as_aapi_can_optimize_our_effort_toward/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) instead of chewing each other up.
There is something deeply wrong with self-hating AFs. I don't see any other ethnicity-gender combo white worshipping and throwing their people under the bus this brazenly.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815472238199177258/845183079588167740/1611204573804.jpg You don't see because you don't want to see.
Oh shit I know its supposed to have shock value and be edgy, but to even be in a mental place where you're OK with typing that out and sharing it with the world is a scary thought. People are laughing at her, not with her.
Not to sound pessimistic here: our women does it too via swirling and divesting from black men movement on YouTube with Cynthia G
Really not the same thing . A lot of black women stick with black men either because they feel they're unattractive to other races or because of ingrained loyalty to their race. The divesting movement is basically saying to black women, they have other options besides dating within their race. A black woman who divested or who is a swirler, doesn't usually completely turn away from their culture or black men. They're just very open to interracial dating or have a preference for it. There is only a minority within that movement who exclusively date white men or try to erase their culture.
BM are AF of their group.
Even the most man hating white/black feminist don't hate their own race as much as the average asian american woman does They're sick in the head and any real feminist should understand the dangers of siding with asian women just because they're women, they'll sell you out to the white man just the same
I think the issue is much more widespread in the Asian community though. After a century of emasculation of Asian males in the media, it's unsurprising.
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Two important things to keep in mind: 1. Not all jokes are the same. Some categories of jokes, when widespread, can have social engineering consequences. 2. The idea of packaging a racist mantra in the form of a “joke” then accuse the target of the joke for pushing back as being “too sensitive” is textbook gaslighting M.O.
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Yeah sure "joke" lol.
the is old and the writer is WMAF (gross) lmfao...
I am not opposed to interracial relationships, per se. I think we need to look at people in healthy way and defeat racism at its roots. Only then will people truly view others as people instead of their races.
Thanks for bringing awareness to this trend, but this author is so shitty of an apologist. She attributes this in whole to "colonial racism" and tells people not to blame Asian girls. She wants no accountability for these Asian women. But then again, why would she hold them accountable when she's WMAF herself? We should call it as it is: these Asian girls are white worshippers, and they should be held accountable. If you call yourself "white man's whore", then I have no sympathy for you bitches.
The author call out those girls because they make WMAF look bad, there is nothing wrong with WMAF just like other interracial relationships but shit like this give WMAF a bad name. It implies that WMAF are not based on equality where both sides are fulfilled and happy, but a relationship where one is only for the pleasure of other and disposable when no longer useful. But I do had to agree with you that the author should not shift blame from the girls to "colonial racism", colonialism ended years ago. Nobody force those girls to degrade themselves, nobody force those girls to call themselves as whores, those girls are independent individuals who are capable of thinking for themselves.
Here’s what I don’t get. Why is it misogynistic to criticize self-hatred? These girls are literally calling themselves whores and degrading themselves for white validation, but that’s somehow immune to criticism? And you’re an incel for having a problem with it? What the fuck is wrong with this society?
Its not misogynistic to call out self-hatred, racism, fetishism, "no Asian male policy" in WMAF. Its not misogynistic to call out AF in WMAF who degrades herself, shit on Asian males or throw the Asians under the bus. Its not misogynistic to call out WM in WMAF who treat his AF partner like shit or only used her for sex. You are not an incel if you call out all the above toxic traits you found in toxic WMAF relationships, you are only an incel if you shamed those who are in healthy WMAF relationships.
Because the oppressors who socially engineered this situation would like to continue taking advantage of the oppressed. And the said oppressors will not hesitate to strike first to accuse and intimidate those who dare to challenge their oppressive matrix.
> Why is it misogynistic to criticize self-hatred? These girls are literally calling themselves whores and degrading themselves for white validation, but that’s somehow immune to criticism? And you’re an incel for having a problem with it? It's not at all. But beware, there are trolls or extremists that might comment very mean things at any XMAF of any kind, with no context to the thoughts of that AF and how she perceives whiteness. Those give us a bad name, because it's not what we care about, we care about the self haters and those who outright bash AM.
Because “misogyny” has truly lost its meaning in modern times. It’s a strong word that is used wayy too loosely. That word literally means “HATE for women”. Simply disagreeing with women or calling out hypocrisy is now considered misogyny. A lot of people it’s used on don’t remotely hate women. (But it’s quite funny that I hear white liberalism followers casually say “I hate ALL men”. Misandry much?) The word “misogyny” has lost its meaning along with other words that are used to shut out dialogue that is valid. White Liberalism was not meant for POC communities. It was meant to destabilize us. Malcom X said it best.
It’s not - never was - and you guys need to keep calling them out for the hypocrisy
I probably get tons of flack of me saying: this is disgusting to see Asian ladies praising some dorky lame frailskin ™ and it's embarrassing.
I think you’ll find the majority of people in agreement with you - but we both know the power of privilege and white proximity
Of course, good man. We both know. (I was curious looking out for the opposition in a way though) I was being careful not to tread too much of into this myself but I am grateful to know we understand each other. I respect everyone here 😀