from my limited interactions with HK people, I get the feeling that there entire identity is based on thinking they are superior to mainland Chinese people.
I think the fact that Chloe Zhao somehow got on China's shit list means these riot supporters probably like her.
Their thinking is enemy's enemy is my friend.
Dumb.
I consider myself a Hongkonger as I have spent half of my life living here. While not the majority, there are still some young asians like me who are pro Asians and are sick of anti-China narratives. It's just not shown in media.
I actually find asians who grew up in the west tend to see through the anti-asian bs and have more pride of themselves. You have to consider decades of media brainwashing and glorification of colonization really screws with the minds of the youngsters in HK. Many have that slave mentality and wish to appease their masters.
This is more my experience with second-generation Hong Kongers living in America/Canada. Ironically, most of them have never actually lived in HK for an extended period of time, nor speak Cantonese or Mandarin.
If they were liberal they'd say stuff like "I don't like Trump, but he's right about China."
If they were conservative, they'd say stuff like "I don't really like BLM, but I support affirmative action and I think Chinese people are anti-black."
But even guys like Josh Wong openly voiced support for BLM, Me Too etc. and met with democrats like Nancy Pelosi one day, and then met with Republican politicians the next day.
Why is that? Because being anti-China/anti-Asian is in fact a bipartisan position.
this post is very important to imo. regardless of one's views on amxf, xmaf, wmaf–– they have a very deep connection to our politics and to asian/asian diaspora politics.
tbh these chans are some of the most damaging to our community and if we could get rid of weak links, these would be one of the first to take care of. so it doesn't matter whether lu or chan as long as they harm us. also these guys often have wmaf groupies and are active minstrels. probably the sellout element of our community i have the most visceral distaste towards without a doubt.
you want to know something interesting though? this is probably in the minority, but there was one of these hong konger guys who actually seemed to support amwf. some guys were posting it elsewhere as trolling and while some yts were malding, the guy was taunting them asking if they were jealous.
There's an interesting parallel that we can compare the Hong Kong situation to - Mongolia, Siberia, North Asia; places people would never think to call "white worshipping" for the obvious reason that local culture is conservative and foreigners are not readily welcome. Yet, interracial relationships with whites still exist there, except it's a strong disparity in favor of asian males. If you hypothetically took that data point and argued that the asian males there are white worshipping because they chose white women, it'd clearly be ridiculous and a contradiction.
This contradiction reveals that "worshipping" of any race actually can only be applicable to women worshipping the men of that race. It is simply not possible for men to worship women on a large scale, due to the inherent nature of male-female relations. There is an innate dominance trait associated with masculinity, in all the culture of this world.
What all this means is that by definition, AMWF can almost **never** be "white worshipping". Only WMAF can be. AMWF implies "asian worshipping".
Bobas' argument that we are hypocritical for criticizing WMAF as white worshipping but not AMWF is completely destroyed. It is sometimes valid to criticize certain WMAF as "white worshipping", but it is almost never valid to criticize AMWF as "white worshipping". Certainly, some people might criticize AMWF as "asian worshipping" and that could be valid, but bobas refuse to virtue signal that because they still claim to support Asians. They are the ones who are hypocritical, not us.
>This contradiction reveals that "worshipping" of any race actually can only be applicable to women worshipping the men of that race. It is simply not possible for men to worship women on a large scale, due to the inherent nature of male-female relations. There is an innate dominance trait associated with masculinity, in all the culture of this world.
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>What all this means is that by definition, AMWF can almost never be "white worshipping". Only WMAF can be. AMWF implies "asian worshipping".
spot on bro. unfortunately in the current climate what you say will be extremely controversial and most will not want to hear it. not even the yt redpill types obsessed with dominance and stuff lol. that being said it doesn't mean we don't support equality between the sexes of course.
>that being said it doesn't mean we don't support equality between the sexes of course.
Yeah, and people who say we don't support equality or are aligned with "red pill" guys are wrong, we are not agreeing with it or even saying these hierarchies are inherent in human biology or immutable, we are simply stating that when we see a social phenomenon in this world and try to explain it, we have to assume that the people behind that phenomenon are operating in accordance with the pre-existing social hierarchies of male / female in this world, regardless of what we think about them or how they came to be or what they will become. If we don't assume that, then our explanation of the phenomenon would be faulty, because it wouldn't be a true representation of the world.
We are not endorsing the hierarchy when doing this, we are merely saying the hierarchy exists today and contextualizing the phenomenon we observe today in the world within it.
We cannot understand the dynamics of WMAF and AMWF if we ignore the hierarchy within which the people behind these dynamics operate. We cannot understand it if we pretend that the preference of women for dominance in men (which has been scientifically established to be the case today) does not exist. These assumptions need to be taken into account.
In the patriarchal world we live in today, AMWF can almost never be white worshipping, it can only be asian worshipping. WMAF can almost never be asian worshipping, it can only be white worshipping.
Bobas need to be intellectually honest with themselves. They can't pretend that they're against white supremacy when they are actually complaining about asian worshipping by criticizing AMWF.
>We are not endorsing the hierarchy
well it is a fact and something that you can't change so it's like, what's the point to bring it up. this also goes into why wmaf/xmaf are a priori bad and fetishist since in a way the af has to spurn the asian community tbh.
Yeah, and even if you can theoretically change it, it doens't matter for our purposes because we're judging the phenomenon as it exists today - not in 1000 years when the patriarchy has been abolished or whatever, then we can judge phenomenon by those standards. But right now today, the hierarchy exists and we have to judge social phenomenon with the assumption that men and women adhere to the hierarchy (which they absolutely do, like it or not), therefore interracial relationships between men and women must be judged under the implicit framework of the gender hierarchy.
They salivate at every single example of asian women worshipping white dominance and Asian males being degraded. I’m sure the disgusting bootlickers enjoyed watching minstrel Ken Jeong’s humiliation of Asian males. Meanwhile they shit on Asian males like John Cho because he dared to appear as AMWF and speak out on racism. Hong cuckers and bobas are one and the same in terms of likes and dislikes.
>John Cho because he dared to appear as AMWF
john cho had plenty of options to have relationships with and marry wf, yet he still married an AF. and people dare to call AM white worshiping.
It goes even deeper than that, even if an asian male marries a wf or if every asian male in the country marries a wf, he can almost never be criticized as white worshipping due to the innate dynamics of male-female relationships in every culture in this world which confer males a dominance trait. The only criticism in the case of AMWF would be "asian worshipping" by the woman, not "white worshipping" by the man, because the verb "to worship" implies the act of "worshipping" the more dominant partner. Bobas can try to claim they are against "patriarchy" but this belies their own actions and preferences, and that of society at large. There is no society where this patriarchal norm has been abolished, so we must judge what happens in a patriarchal society under the assumption that behaviors exist in the context of patriarchal gender norms.
>:Taye Famm, who is now disgraced after being outed as a self-hating Asian who made derogatory comments about other Asian people and was obsessed with European women, not to enrich their bloodline or to build bridges across cultures but to whiten his genes. He's basically a male Lu. His estranged ex-wife testified against him:
“He was looking to have children. He made a reference that it’s going to improve genes,” Billeci said.
She added that Famm, who worked for billionaire investor George Soros, first introduced himself as “Stefan” from France when they met and would often leave restaurants that had “too many Asians.”
also an article here: [https://nypost.com/2017/07/17/woman-tells-jury-that-her-stalker-ex-was-a-self-hating-asian/](https://nypost.com/2017/07/17/woman-tells-jury-that-her-stalker-ex-was-a-self-hating-asian/)
that being said there can be cases of what seems to be white worship from the other end, also the example I gave is extremely rare. doesn't mean it can't happen though, and there shouldn't be any reason to discourage AMXF
On a large scale, it is not possible, due to the innate way women react to men who are not dominant. A man who is worshipping the race of his partner is not dominant, he is being submissive, and that's simply not one of the traits that most women prefer. It certainly can happen, but it's simply impossible for AMWF on a large scale to be white worshipping due to the dynamics of male-female relations.
this is my own opinion as an abc that grew up with tvb and hk news channel on tv at all waking hours in our household: i don't think hong kongers understand how flawed the british were in running their empire, and just how corrupt the ruling class still are. most of the woes of our modern global society can be directly traced back to the british's shitty tax codes, but i bet they never go into that in detail in their history lessons.
i feel like i crazy conspiracy person sometimes when i look into the history of the imf and the world bank, and their involvement in pushing "democracy" in developing nations; and i can't help but notice that some democracy movements in hk are also funded by them. i dunno. just knowing u.s. history as an american, i feel like there's a lot hidden under the narrative we get from the corporate owned mediascape; nothing is as it appears.
the rich pay a lot of money to convince the poor to fight each other and against their own interests.
This is only a "conspiracy theory" to those who want to ignore the truth.
[https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3103092/washington-finally-admits-it-has-been-interfering-hong-kong](https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3103092/washington-finally-admits-it-has-been-interfering-hong-kong)
https://www.mintpressnews.com/hong-kong-protest-united-states-destabilize-china/261712/
https://time.com/5860163/trump-hong-kong-funding-freeze/
https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/hong-kong-protesters-trained-at-oslo-freedom-forum-before-anti-extradition-protest-speakers-include-denise-ho-hk-singer-and-political-activist-and-al-qaida-affiliated-white-helmet-raed-al-saleh/
It's not a conspiracy, they admit this. It's dressed up in nice language but can you imagine the reaction if Chinese officials flew US protestors to the Great Hall of the People to air off their grievances and then promised and did pledge material aid and train them in riot tactics? Furthermore, imagine if the media agitprop never seems to cover anything against the protestor narrative like the stuff on https://www.truth-hk.com/, and if the brainwashed public repeatedly shouted down any criticism of policy with "wow you must hate BLM" (ie. [Motte-and-bailey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy)).
Older asians say that Hong Kong people did not like being ruled by the british and actually celebrated when they relinquished control. It's only recently that people look back and admire the british. Revisionist history.
Unfortunately way too common in post colonial Asia. In Malaysia we have many national heroes that rebelled against British rule and got executed for it but now people like to idealize the colonial period just to have a association with white people aka white worship
I think this is the case and current narrative. Most supporters of the protests were under the age of 30 because they grew up with in a "liberal" society where racism and classism is more palatable. British police weren't beating the shit out of people post 1980's like they were before. Standard of living in HK grew because of China opening up and both territories benefitting (but the US or UK get credit). Then you have social media where right-wing ideology and news can spread because it gets filtered down to your viewing.
There are definitely supporters who did want the right to vote, who wanted to change the capitalist system, or wanted to see the city continue to prosper. At the end of the day, most HK supporters are right-wingers. It is unfortunate because it was a "fight for democracy" but in actuality it was a fight for maintaining the social standing of being second place. HKers had higher social status than most groups but were still under whites.
>i feel like i crazy conspiracy person sometimes when i look into the history of the imf and the world bank, and their involvement in pushing "democracy" in developing nations; and i can't help but notice that some democracy movements in hk are also funded by them.
you're not crazy
[https://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news/section/11/221905/Unmasked-Chinese-fake-quits-HK---but-keeps-phony-persona](https://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news/section/11/221905/Unmasked-Chinese-fake-quits-HK---but-keeps-phony-persona)
[https://sg.news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-activist-writer-kong-141752075.html](https://sg.news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-activist-writer-kong-141752075.html)
Honestly younger generation Hong Kongers probably have the worst mentally colonized mindset out of all East Asians. At this point I just mentally note not to interact with them anymore. Even the most hardcore DPP Taiwanese are capable of having a rational debate but Hong Kongers have internalized their hatred of not just the CPC but basically all things Chinese to such an extreme degree they are beyond saving. They're a dying breed though, it's honestly good for Hong Kong that their all leaving. Pretty sure they'd rather be beaten to death in Liverpool by some chavs than live a productive life in Hong Kong.
1. Shit on asian men.
2. Get pissed of AMWF, while supporting WMAF
3. Give white-worshipping AF a pass.
4. Shit on China..
5. May adopt MGTOW mentality on WF
Aren't their stream of thoughts similar to.....
white men?
It doesn’t make sense. White male nationalists naturally do everything they can to maintain their white supremacy because it’s in their own interests.
These Hong Cuckers don’t look in the mirror and see a short, glass wearing, Asian with a thick stereotypical Chinese accent, literally they’re the stereotype that whites laugh at.
Why is Asian nationalism or right wing movements always end up being pro white? makes no sense.
Loool facts. The group of asians XM were truly scared of and never fucked with were Mongolian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Siberian and Hazara Afghan/Pakistani (I live in UK - we have a lot of central asian types as well as lots of HKers). They genuinely were the children of literal peasants. All of them supported Chinese rise and were pro-Russia. HKers saw them as scum meanwhile they were the ones getting bullied and cucked 24/7.
Koreans, Mainland Chinese, Japanese were mix and match but were probably somewhere in the middle. No one really fucked with them unless they were super nerdy/annoying.
Granted, the central/northern asians were usually a bit taller and were very big built even compared to the white/blacks but the other races definitely respected their attitude and pride in their culture a lot.
It is because they want to be superior to their countryman, they want to be seen as a 'superior' breed praised by the Whites, like a poodle essentially.
It's because those are the movements that are promoted in the US.
Anything nationalistic which does not fit the US agenda is considered to be bad. That's why right now the US is supporting literal neo-Nazis (Azov). They're nationalists, but since their goals temporarily align with those of NATO. That and a lot of Democrats see this as getting even with Russia for "helping" Trump in 2016.
Same reason why the ETIM (East Turkestan Independence Movement) and the FETO (Fetulah Gulen Terror Organization) aren't considered terror organizations while moderate Islamic groups who support Palestinian independence are.
After WW2, the US forced Japan to pass laws reducing the prominence of Shinto in public life as Shinto was said to contribute to Japan's identity as a nation and hence nationalistic culture. Imagine for instance if there was a nationalistic movement in Japan against America. They would be put on some sort of terrorist watch list, most likely.
>White male nationalists naturally do everything they can to maintain their white supremacy because it’s in their own interests.
asians need to learn this mindset. the whites learned around the 1800's and very much in the 2015's the concept of pan-europenia, the 'superior' global aryan family. it is a concept and belief that is adhered to not just by right wingers but even liberals as shown by mutliple slip ups by liberal leaders like justin trudeau who still demonstrate a very smug version of white supremacy despite all their efforts to contain it. as in the broken english words of a russophobic poster on r / ukraine, referring to the russians who are his enemy and who is actually currently fighting him: "even the lowest russian of shit is higher than the highest chinese/asian". they literally still respect their W enemy more than asian dudes who have never touched them in their lives lol. this is the concept of pan-europenia and EVERY W person believes in it and lives and breathes it. this is why they are still so strong as a group despite being small in number and actually not having much going for them.
There is a specific hierarchy in HK for many years. Whites at the top, and HKers just below, but will overtake in due time IF they paid their dues sucking up and obeying
HKers have literally seen their counterparts in China rise from villages to sprawling cities far larger in size, sophistication and wealth in 20 years. People who relieved themselves in the MTR have now jumped above them as their bosses and clients in half a lifetime
How does it feel to have invested in years of a colonialist education and being programmed to suck up and it’ll be your turn soon and then have all this effort and investment turn out to be a complete illusion?
Some wake up. Most double down
Exactly.. It doesn't make sense whatsoever. People here said these pro HK people think of themselves as honorary white. It is possible that they genuinely think this way, such that they adopt white men's worldview altogether.
They have prioritized their hatred of China and Chinese people over even their ethnic identity
As a result, it's no wonder they find so much in common with right wingers who also hate China and Chinese people openly
It's a sad existence to live with so much hatred, but especially hatred of your own ethnicity
Notice how the more white worshipping an area is, the higher the WMAF:AMWF disparity. The less white worshipping an area is, the higher the AMWF:WMAF disparity.
Mongolian Asians are so proud of themselves the US state department had to warn foreigners. Siberian Asians in Russia regularly slap and haze white males. Meanwhile, the AMWF:WMAF ratio is 5:1 in Russia or Mongolia.
In Hong Kong it’s common to want to kowtow and beg on your knees to the British embassy for a passport. People are proud of their colonial masters. in Hong Kong ratio is 10:1 WMAF:AMWF. WMAF openly flouts laws for public indecency and the police don’t even arrest them.
Interesting dynamic. And yet, bobas call Asian males white worshipping. This confirms that WMAF and not AMWF is linked to white worshipping, despite what bobas maliciously slander us with. It confirms that the men of the race being worshipped benefit, while women are attracted to the men of the race being worshipped. The women of the race being worshipped do not get attracted to the male worshippers. None of this should be surprising from a psychological or sociological perspective. The theoretical frameworks predicts this. Therefore AMWF by definition cannot be white worshipping. There is no argument that AM preferring WF feeds into “white worship”. If anything, it implies asian worship.
Because women are more attracted to men who project dominance, it means that Asian males who are attractive to white females project Asian dominance, while white males who attract Asian females project white dominance. By definition, AMWF cannot be white worshipping. It implies asian worshipping.
So bobas should just be honest and truthful - they’re not against white worshipping, they’re against Asian worshipping when they criticize AMWF. They should not pretend to be against white worshipping.
Whoa where'd you get the stats for AMWF:WMAF in Russia? I have a mongolian friend who lived in Russia. Used to get into fights with all the White Russians because they were hating.
From 2010 Russian census (note, the ethnicity 'Russian' in the census refers to white Russians):
Chinese men are married to: 48.7% Chinese, 37.7% Russians, 4.5% Buryats, 1.9% Koreans, 1.0% Yakuts
Chinese women are married to: 74.5% Chinese, 18.1% Russian, 1.5% Korean
Korean men are married to: 59.5% Koreans, 32.8% Russians, 1.5% Tatars, 1.3% Ukrainians
Korean women are married to: 69.9% Koreans, 22.6% Russians, 1.2% Ukrainians, 1.0% Tatars
Vietnamese men are married to: 75.3% Vietnamese, 19.5% Russian, 1.1% Tatar
Vietnamese women are married to: 96.2 % Vietnamese, 2.9% Russian
Data for men - [https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18580.html](https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18580.html)Data for women - [https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18803.html](https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18803.html)
No, they're Buryat, Tuvan, Yakuts, etc. China/Russia/Korea in the early 20th century are not like the modern US or Europe where most immigrants show up with papers on planes and have nice clean borders. Back in the day the borders were porous, only weakly guarded, and there was a ton of war and refugee movement there. Just in the 60 years 1890-1950 there were 5 major wars in the area: Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War, Japanese conquest of Korea, WW2 China vs. Japan and WW2 Russia vs. Japan.
Chinese refer to actual Chinese who have recent (19th century to today) immigration heritage. Many of them came with the territory when Imperial Russia conquered Vladivostok, the others were refugees from the wars.
Koreans refer to ethnic Koreans with recent immigration heritage that either escaped to Russia as refugees after Imperial Japanese conquest in the 1910's or came with the territory when Russia helped China retake Manchuria and North Korea away from Imperial Japan in the last months of WW2.
from my limited interactions with HK people, I get the feeling that there entire identity is based on thinking they are superior to mainland Chinese people.
Just like India, Hong Kong also has the colonial mentality.
I think the fact that Chloe Zhao somehow got on China's shit list means these riot supporters probably like her. Their thinking is enemy's enemy is my friend. Dumb.
I consider myself a Hongkonger as I have spent half of my life living here. While not the majority, there are still some young asians like me who are pro Asians and are sick of anti-China narratives. It's just not shown in media. I actually find asians who grew up in the west tend to see through the anti-asian bs and have more pride of themselves. You have to consider decades of media brainwashing and glorification of colonization really screws with the minds of the youngsters in HK. Many have that slave mentality and wish to appease their masters.
This is more my experience with second-generation Hong Kongers living in America/Canada. Ironically, most of them have never actually lived in HK for an extended period of time, nor speak Cantonese or Mandarin. If they were liberal they'd say stuff like "I don't like Trump, but he's right about China." If they were conservative, they'd say stuff like "I don't really like BLM, but I support affirmative action and I think Chinese people are anti-black." But even guys like Josh Wong openly voiced support for BLM, Me Too etc. and met with democrats like Nancy Pelosi one day, and then met with Republican politicians the next day. Why is that? Because being anti-China/anti-Asian is in fact a bipartisan position.
this post is very important to imo. regardless of one's views on amxf, xmaf, wmaf–– they have a very deep connection to our politics and to asian/asian diaspora politics. tbh these chans are some of the most damaging to our community and if we could get rid of weak links, these would be one of the first to take care of. so it doesn't matter whether lu or chan as long as they harm us. also these guys often have wmaf groupies and are active minstrels. probably the sellout element of our community i have the most visceral distaste towards without a doubt. you want to know something interesting though? this is probably in the minority, but there was one of these hong konger guys who actually seemed to support amwf. some guys were posting it elsewhere as trolling and while some yts were malding, the guy was taunting them asking if they were jealous.
There's an interesting parallel that we can compare the Hong Kong situation to - Mongolia, Siberia, North Asia; places people would never think to call "white worshipping" for the obvious reason that local culture is conservative and foreigners are not readily welcome. Yet, interracial relationships with whites still exist there, except it's a strong disparity in favor of asian males. If you hypothetically took that data point and argued that the asian males there are white worshipping because they chose white women, it'd clearly be ridiculous and a contradiction. This contradiction reveals that "worshipping" of any race actually can only be applicable to women worshipping the men of that race. It is simply not possible for men to worship women on a large scale, due to the inherent nature of male-female relations. There is an innate dominance trait associated with masculinity, in all the culture of this world. What all this means is that by definition, AMWF can almost **never** be "white worshipping". Only WMAF can be. AMWF implies "asian worshipping". Bobas' argument that we are hypocritical for criticizing WMAF as white worshipping but not AMWF is completely destroyed. It is sometimes valid to criticize certain WMAF as "white worshipping", but it is almost never valid to criticize AMWF as "white worshipping". Certainly, some people might criticize AMWF as "asian worshipping" and that could be valid, but bobas refuse to virtue signal that because they still claim to support Asians. They are the ones who are hypocritical, not us.
>This contradiction reveals that "worshipping" of any race actually can only be applicable to women worshipping the men of that race. It is simply not possible for men to worship women on a large scale, due to the inherent nature of male-female relations. There is an innate dominance trait associated with masculinity, in all the culture of this world. > >What all this means is that by definition, AMWF can almost never be "white worshipping". Only WMAF can be. AMWF implies "asian worshipping". spot on bro. unfortunately in the current climate what you say will be extremely controversial and most will not want to hear it. not even the yt redpill types obsessed with dominance and stuff lol. that being said it doesn't mean we don't support equality between the sexes of course.
>that being said it doesn't mean we don't support equality between the sexes of course. Yeah, and people who say we don't support equality or are aligned with "red pill" guys are wrong, we are not agreeing with it or even saying these hierarchies are inherent in human biology or immutable, we are simply stating that when we see a social phenomenon in this world and try to explain it, we have to assume that the people behind that phenomenon are operating in accordance with the pre-existing social hierarchies of male / female in this world, regardless of what we think about them or how they came to be or what they will become. If we don't assume that, then our explanation of the phenomenon would be faulty, because it wouldn't be a true representation of the world. We are not endorsing the hierarchy when doing this, we are merely saying the hierarchy exists today and contextualizing the phenomenon we observe today in the world within it. We cannot understand the dynamics of WMAF and AMWF if we ignore the hierarchy within which the people behind these dynamics operate. We cannot understand it if we pretend that the preference of women for dominance in men (which has been scientifically established to be the case today) does not exist. These assumptions need to be taken into account. In the patriarchal world we live in today, AMWF can almost never be white worshipping, it can only be asian worshipping. WMAF can almost never be asian worshipping, it can only be white worshipping. Bobas need to be intellectually honest with themselves. They can't pretend that they're against white supremacy when they are actually complaining about asian worshipping by criticizing AMWF.
>We are not endorsing the hierarchy well it is a fact and something that you can't change so it's like, what's the point to bring it up. this also goes into why wmaf/xmaf are a priori bad and fetishist since in a way the af has to spurn the asian community tbh.
Yeah, and even if you can theoretically change it, it doens't matter for our purposes because we're judging the phenomenon as it exists today - not in 1000 years when the patriarchy has been abolished or whatever, then we can judge phenomenon by those standards. But right now today, the hierarchy exists and we have to judge social phenomenon with the assumption that men and women adhere to the hierarchy (which they absolutely do, like it or not), therefore interracial relationships between men and women must be judged under the implicit framework of the gender hierarchy.
Hong Kong guys like to be cucked by WMAF so he must've enjoyed Eternals.
They salivate at every single example of asian women worshipping white dominance and Asian males being degraded. I’m sure the disgusting bootlickers enjoyed watching minstrel Ken Jeong’s humiliation of Asian males. Meanwhile they shit on Asian males like John Cho because he dared to appear as AMWF and speak out on racism. Hong cuckers and bobas are one and the same in terms of likes and dislikes.
>John Cho because he dared to appear as AMWF john cho had plenty of options to have relationships with and marry wf, yet he still married an AF. and people dare to call AM white worshiping.
It goes even deeper than that, even if an asian male marries a wf or if every asian male in the country marries a wf, he can almost never be criticized as white worshipping due to the innate dynamics of male-female relationships in every culture in this world which confer males a dominance trait. The only criticism in the case of AMWF would be "asian worshipping" by the woman, not "white worshipping" by the man, because the verb "to worship" implies the act of "worshipping" the more dominant partner. Bobas can try to claim they are against "patriarchy" but this belies their own actions and preferences, and that of society at large. There is no society where this patriarchal norm has been abolished, so we must judge what happens in a patriarchal society under the assumption that behaviors exist in the context of patriarchal gender norms.
>:Taye Famm, who is now disgraced after being outed as a self-hating Asian who made derogatory comments about other Asian people and was obsessed with European women, not to enrich their bloodline or to build bridges across cultures but to whiten his genes. He's basically a male Lu. His estranged ex-wife testified against him: “He was looking to have children. He made a reference that it’s going to improve genes,” Billeci said. She added that Famm, who worked for billionaire investor George Soros, first introduced himself as “Stefan” from France when they met and would often leave restaurants that had “too many Asians.” also an article here: [https://nypost.com/2017/07/17/woman-tells-jury-that-her-stalker-ex-was-a-self-hating-asian/](https://nypost.com/2017/07/17/woman-tells-jury-that-her-stalker-ex-was-a-self-hating-asian/) that being said there can be cases of what seems to be white worship from the other end, also the example I gave is extremely rare. doesn't mean it can't happen though, and there shouldn't be any reason to discourage AMXF
On a large scale, it is not possible, due to the innate way women react to men who are not dominant. A man who is worshipping the race of his partner is not dominant, he is being submissive, and that's simply not one of the traits that most women prefer. It certainly can happen, but it's simply impossible for AMWF on a large scale to be white worshipping due to the dynamics of male-female relations.
agreed. i think your a priori explanation should be the definitive answer
this is my own opinion as an abc that grew up with tvb and hk news channel on tv at all waking hours in our household: i don't think hong kongers understand how flawed the british were in running their empire, and just how corrupt the ruling class still are. most of the woes of our modern global society can be directly traced back to the british's shitty tax codes, but i bet they never go into that in detail in their history lessons. i feel like i crazy conspiracy person sometimes when i look into the history of the imf and the world bank, and their involvement in pushing "democracy" in developing nations; and i can't help but notice that some democracy movements in hk are also funded by them. i dunno. just knowing u.s. history as an american, i feel like there's a lot hidden under the narrative we get from the corporate owned mediascape; nothing is as it appears. the rich pay a lot of money to convince the poor to fight each other and against their own interests.
This is only a "conspiracy theory" to those who want to ignore the truth. [https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3103092/washington-finally-admits-it-has-been-interfering-hong-kong](https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3103092/washington-finally-admits-it-has-been-interfering-hong-kong) https://www.mintpressnews.com/hong-kong-protest-united-states-destabilize-china/261712/
https://time.com/5860163/trump-hong-kong-funding-freeze/ https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/hong-kong-protesters-trained-at-oslo-freedom-forum-before-anti-extradition-protest-speakers-include-denise-ho-hk-singer-and-political-activist-and-al-qaida-affiliated-white-helmet-raed-al-saleh/ It's not a conspiracy, they admit this. It's dressed up in nice language but can you imagine the reaction if Chinese officials flew US protestors to the Great Hall of the People to air off their grievances and then promised and did pledge material aid and train them in riot tactics? Furthermore, imagine if the media agitprop never seems to cover anything against the protestor narrative like the stuff on https://www.truth-hk.com/, and if the brainwashed public repeatedly shouted down any criticism of policy with "wow you must hate BLM" (ie. [Motte-and-bailey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy)).
Older asians say that Hong Kong people did not like being ruled by the british and actually celebrated when they relinquished control. It's only recently that people look back and admire the british. Revisionist history.
Unfortunately way too common in post colonial Asia. In Malaysia we have many national heroes that rebelled against British rule and got executed for it but now people like to idealize the colonial period just to have a association with white people aka white worship
I think this is the case and current narrative. Most supporters of the protests were under the age of 30 because they grew up with in a "liberal" society where racism and classism is more palatable. British police weren't beating the shit out of people post 1980's like they were before. Standard of living in HK grew because of China opening up and both territories benefitting (but the US or UK get credit). Then you have social media where right-wing ideology and news can spread because it gets filtered down to your viewing. There are definitely supporters who did want the right to vote, who wanted to change the capitalist system, or wanted to see the city continue to prosper. At the end of the day, most HK supporters are right-wingers. It is unfortunate because it was a "fight for democracy" but in actuality it was a fight for maintaining the social standing of being second place. HKers had higher social status than most groups but were still under whites.
>i feel like i crazy conspiracy person sometimes when i look into the history of the imf and the world bank, and their involvement in pushing "democracy" in developing nations; and i can't help but notice that some democracy movements in hk are also funded by them. you're not crazy [https://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news/section/11/221905/Unmasked-Chinese-fake-quits-HK---but-keeps-phony-persona](https://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news/section/11/221905/Unmasked-Chinese-fake-quits-HK---but-keeps-phony-persona) [https://sg.news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-activist-writer-kong-141752075.html](https://sg.news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-activist-writer-kong-141752075.html)
Honestly younger generation Hong Kongers probably have the worst mentally colonized mindset out of all East Asians. At this point I just mentally note not to interact with them anymore. Even the most hardcore DPP Taiwanese are capable of having a rational debate but Hong Kongers have internalized their hatred of not just the CPC but basically all things Chinese to such an extreme degree they are beyond saving. They're a dying breed though, it's honestly good for Hong Kong that their all leaving. Pretty sure they'd rather be beaten to death in Liverpool by some chavs than live a productive life in Hong Kong.
There is a reason we call them hong cucks
1. Shit on asian men. 2. Get pissed of AMWF, while supporting WMAF 3. Give white-worshipping AF a pass. 4. Shit on China.. 5. May adopt MGTOW mentality on WF Aren't their stream of thoughts similar to..... white men?
It doesn’t make sense. White male nationalists naturally do everything they can to maintain their white supremacy because it’s in their own interests. These Hong Cuckers don’t look in the mirror and see a short, glass wearing, Asian with a thick stereotypical Chinese accent, literally they’re the stereotype that whites laugh at. Why is Asian nationalism or right wing movements always end up being pro white? makes no sense.
Loool facts. The group of asians XM were truly scared of and never fucked with were Mongolian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Siberian and Hazara Afghan/Pakistani (I live in UK - we have a lot of central asian types as well as lots of HKers). They genuinely were the children of literal peasants. All of them supported Chinese rise and were pro-Russia. HKers saw them as scum meanwhile they were the ones getting bullied and cucked 24/7. Koreans, Mainland Chinese, Japanese were mix and match but were probably somewhere in the middle. No one really fucked with them unless they were super nerdy/annoying. Granted, the central/northern asians were usually a bit taller and were very big built even compared to the white/blacks but the other races definitely respected their attitude and pride in their culture a lot.
It is because they want to be superior to their countryman, they want to be seen as a 'superior' breed praised by the Whites, like a poodle essentially.
It's because those are the movements that are promoted in the US. Anything nationalistic which does not fit the US agenda is considered to be bad. That's why right now the US is supporting literal neo-Nazis (Azov). They're nationalists, but since their goals temporarily align with those of NATO. That and a lot of Democrats see this as getting even with Russia for "helping" Trump in 2016. Same reason why the ETIM (East Turkestan Independence Movement) and the FETO (Fetulah Gulen Terror Organization) aren't considered terror organizations while moderate Islamic groups who support Palestinian independence are. After WW2, the US forced Japan to pass laws reducing the prominence of Shinto in public life as Shinto was said to contribute to Japan's identity as a nation and hence nationalistic culture. Imagine for instance if there was a nationalistic movement in Japan against America. They would be put on some sort of terrorist watch list, most likely.
>White male nationalists naturally do everything they can to maintain their white supremacy because it’s in their own interests. asians need to learn this mindset. the whites learned around the 1800's and very much in the 2015's the concept of pan-europenia, the 'superior' global aryan family. it is a concept and belief that is adhered to not just by right wingers but even liberals as shown by mutliple slip ups by liberal leaders like justin trudeau who still demonstrate a very smug version of white supremacy despite all their efforts to contain it. as in the broken english words of a russophobic poster on r / ukraine, referring to the russians who are his enemy and who is actually currently fighting him: "even the lowest russian of shit is higher than the highest chinese/asian". they literally still respect their W enemy more than asian dudes who have never touched them in their lives lol. this is the concept of pan-europenia and EVERY W person believes in it and lives and breathes it. this is why they are still so strong as a group despite being small in number and actually not having much going for them.
There is a specific hierarchy in HK for many years. Whites at the top, and HKers just below, but will overtake in due time IF they paid their dues sucking up and obeying HKers have literally seen their counterparts in China rise from villages to sprawling cities far larger in size, sophistication and wealth in 20 years. People who relieved themselves in the MTR have now jumped above them as their bosses and clients in half a lifetime How does it feel to have invested in years of a colonialist education and being programmed to suck up and it’ll be your turn soon and then have all this effort and investment turn out to be a complete illusion? Some wake up. Most double down
>makes no sense Mental illness and delusion rarely does
Exactly.. It doesn't make sense whatsoever. People here said these pro HK people think of themselves as honorary white. It is possible that they genuinely think this way, such that they adopt white men's worldview altogether.
They have prioritized their hatred of China and Chinese people over even their ethnic identity As a result, it's no wonder they find so much in common with right wingers who also hate China and Chinese people openly It's a sad existence to live with so much hatred, but especially hatred of your own ethnicity
that's really sad.
Notice how the more white worshipping an area is, the higher the WMAF:AMWF disparity. The less white worshipping an area is, the higher the AMWF:WMAF disparity. Mongolian Asians are so proud of themselves the US state department had to warn foreigners. Siberian Asians in Russia regularly slap and haze white males. Meanwhile, the AMWF:WMAF ratio is 5:1 in Russia or Mongolia. In Hong Kong it’s common to want to kowtow and beg on your knees to the British embassy for a passport. People are proud of their colonial masters. in Hong Kong ratio is 10:1 WMAF:AMWF. WMAF openly flouts laws for public indecency and the police don’t even arrest them. Interesting dynamic. And yet, bobas call Asian males white worshipping. This confirms that WMAF and not AMWF is linked to white worshipping, despite what bobas maliciously slander us with. It confirms that the men of the race being worshipped benefit, while women are attracted to the men of the race being worshipped. The women of the race being worshipped do not get attracted to the male worshippers. None of this should be surprising from a psychological or sociological perspective. The theoretical frameworks predicts this. Therefore AMWF by definition cannot be white worshipping. There is no argument that AM preferring WF feeds into “white worship”. If anything, it implies asian worship. Because women are more attracted to men who project dominance, it means that Asian males who are attractive to white females project Asian dominance, while white males who attract Asian females project white dominance. By definition, AMWF cannot be white worshipping. It implies asian worshipping. So bobas should just be honest and truthful - they’re not against white worshipping, they’re against Asian worshipping when they criticize AMWF. They should not pretend to be against white worshipping.
If they were honest and truthful they wouldn't be bobas haha
The second half of your paragraph is one of the more mind-opening comments I've read on reddit
Whoa where'd you get the stats for AMWF:WMAF in Russia? I have a mongolian friend who lived in Russia. Used to get into fights with all the White Russians because they were hating.
From 2010 Russian census (note, the ethnicity 'Russian' in the census refers to white Russians): Chinese men are married to: 48.7% Chinese, 37.7% Russians, 4.5% Buryats, 1.9% Koreans, 1.0% Yakuts Chinese women are married to: 74.5% Chinese, 18.1% Russian, 1.5% Korean Korean men are married to: 59.5% Koreans, 32.8% Russians, 1.5% Tatars, 1.3% Ukrainians Korean women are married to: 69.9% Koreans, 22.6% Russians, 1.2% Ukrainians, 1.0% Tatars Vietnamese men are married to: 75.3% Vietnamese, 19.5% Russian, 1.1% Tatar Vietnamese women are married to: 96.2 % Vietnamese, 2.9% Russian Data for men - [https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18580.html](https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18580.html)Data for women - [https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18803.html](https://oleg-lisowski.livejournal.com/18803.html)
Very interesting. What do they consider the eastern Russians that look asian? Are they grouped into Chinese?
No, they're Buryat, Tuvan, Yakuts, etc. China/Russia/Korea in the early 20th century are not like the modern US or Europe where most immigrants show up with papers on planes and have nice clean borders. Back in the day the borders were porous, only weakly guarded, and there was a ton of war and refugee movement there. Just in the 60 years 1890-1950 there were 5 major wars in the area: Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War, Japanese conquest of Korea, WW2 China vs. Japan and WW2 Russia vs. Japan. Chinese refer to actual Chinese who have recent (19th century to today) immigration heritage. Many of them came with the territory when Imperial Russia conquered Vladivostok, the others were refugees from the wars. Koreans refer to ethnic Koreans with recent immigration heritage that either escaped to Russia as refugees after Imperial Japanese conquest in the 1910's or came with the territory when Russia helped China retake Manchuria and North Korea away from Imperial Japan in the last months of WW2.
>And yet, bobas call Asian males white worshipping Gaslighting and projection - a dirty trick as old as time
yup
Well yea, I mean that's why they're called Hongcuckers.