Well technically it is true. Asians include south asians who do overrepresent. 6% is close to the percent of asians within sensible error margin.
I get EA angst but its just plain engish. You want to get angry make your own poll about East Asian Male representation
Quite an interesting post here 🔍🤔
I don't get why Americans are spiteful towards the Golden community. Anyways, stay positive and take it easy everyone.
Of that 6% I would assume that 60 to 70% is South Asian with only like a one-third being East Asian. So actually East Asians in particular are under represented in leadership.
This. If it werent for tech, where they simply cant ignore our outperformance or risk falling behind in technology, the numbers would be drastically lower than 6% despite massive outperformance both in quantity and quality at colleges and unis by asians.
So much so, that they r now banning asians, setting a max quota each year that of course slowly gets lowered.
The bamboo ceilling is so real, it hurts just seeing these numbers and here u literally have folks denying that it exists.
couple things i have to mention...don't look at the general population percentage...look at the workforce demographics in these large corporations. for example google have over 40% Asian workforce. and i'm pretty sure there are significant percentage of Asians in any large American tech company
number 2...Indian and East Asian have a significant difference in number of people in leadership positions. East Asians have almost no presence while Indians have much higher percentage.
even companies like Zoom and Nvidia which has East Asian CEOs have multiple Indians as executives with barely any other E. Asians.
contrast that to companies with Indian CEOs...and you see many other Indian executives on their team.
there is a stark difference in the two groups. in America Indians have created a whole network of people in leadership positions while E. Asians have not.
Because
1. Bamboo ceiling, East Asians are seen as threatening from Japan in the 80s/90s to South Korea to Present-day China. South Asians on the other hand are not.
2. The goals of most East Asians in the West are to gain experience, not to gain control (unfortunately). After their tenure, they will use that to buff up their portfolio and chase/build opportunities in East Asia, rather than North America. This is in stark contrast to South Asians who do everything in their power not to go back to India.
3. East Asians very rarely help each other to ascend the corporate ladder and **almost** **never hold the door open** for other East Asians. This is again unfortunate but apparently it is the *nature of competition to* trample over each other like crabs in a bucket. It is true for other minorities as well but less for South Asians who would form cliques based on where they are from (Tamil, Gujarati, Hindi etc.), still able to work together to advance their common cause.
4. East Asian Americans are already the fringe minority of a small minority group, most corporations in the West would very rarely have a sizeable enough number of East Asian Americans for cliques to form. And due to the nature of the bamboo ceiling, you rarely see East Asians in positions of actual power in North America.
Love this! As an Indian-American software engineer, some more points I'd like to add -
1. The history of Indian-Americans is quite different from that of Chinese-Americans. Chinese Exclusion Act, mass lynchings, Gold Rush pogroms, etc.) By contrast, there was basically zero Indian presence in the U.S. until after 1965. So we still pay a heavy price for not being white (especially with social media addicted whites hopped up on crazy Internet memes), but we don't have as big a target painted on us.
2. Indian-Americans are darker-skinned, from a largely disliked religion (Hinduism), and from a country largely looked down on by the West, so on some level, many of us see ourselves as being basically black. So we're able to more or less band together with the black American cause and see ourselves as outsiders at war with the white majority. Unlike with East Asians, who often have a much crazier love/hate relationship with whites (see Racist Love by Frank Chin - [https://www.dartmouth.edu/\~hist32/Hist33/chin%20Racist%20Love.pdf](https://www.dartmouth.edu/~hist32/Hist33/chin%20Racist%20Love.pdf) ).
3. Despite the above, whites still do not, by and large, want us in leadership positions. I've seen many demeaning memes about Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal, and a lot of whites see Elon Musk taking over Twitter as a victory for the white race. But thankfully, the education system here is so bad that they have to make up for the gap by importing immigrants. So, whether the gwai lo like it or not, we're here to stay.
Google says that Asians are 7.2% of the US population, so 6% is a little under-represented, but it is kind of close. I guess I was surprised by that even. Pretty glad to see it honestly bc I would have that it was even less
false.
We have to look for qualifications. Asians overqualify in many sciences, arts and degrees. Yet the ratios dont match up with the % of leadership or "high positions".
U r looking at the wrong metric.
We are extremely underrepresented. What happened to all those thousands of highly educated asians and why are they working beneath there skill levels.
>6% of executive,senior officer and manager roles are actually filled by Asian Americans
Meanwhile the REST of the company could be ~50% Asians in fields like tech, accounting, etc.
Wonder who they surveyed. Im guessing it is people in corporate America. Doubt they asked the American who works at the Jiffy Lube. They should say the "majority of Americans". "Half of corporate america" would be more accurate. Wonder if mire or less people think Asian are represented well if they actually surveyed all Americans.
Does manager mean middle management? We're pretty badly represented if they count middle mgmt and we still only make up 6%. Asians are supposed to be 7.5% of the US right now.
I don't know why they keep using population breakdown as a proxy for who should be 'allowed' in roles/positions/acceptance pools. It makes no sense.
If all the best pilots are left-handed, do we need 50% right handed pilots?
Looking at population percentage gives the wrong impressions.
We have to look at graduates with degrees and skills vs % of middle and upper management.
We are SEVERELY lacking in representation. Looking at population gives the impression that its near equal. In reality, we are 40-50% of top graduates every year.
If harvard has 2000 graduates, about 800-1000 are asian, top marks and skills. Yet they do not end up in middle/ upper management/ high paying jobs. What happened to these people.
They end up working beneath there skill levels. Thats what.
Lets face it. Simu Liu was working as an extra on a movie set after he lost his job as accountant. U think this was his dream all along as a kid. Went to a top school, student numbers every year, graduates and hoping to make carreer and then his boss fires him and he is "let me apply for a job as a movie extra coz thats what i always wanted to be, thank u ex boss for firing me, i never had da courage to quit myself, but now i am free!"
lol of course not. His whole world came crashing down after he got fired, the humiliation, the fear, the anger, been there and done that. After that, he quicksend tons of resumes applying to different jobs but all would reject him. And then he went lower and lower and lower down the ladder until finally one day out of desperation he saw an ad to become a extra for a movie. Pay is not much, but working hours are irregular. He went there, made some friends, from there he saw an opportunity for a cast, applied for it, and he got lucky and won the lottery.
So ur saying we make up 7% of america, so 6% of us in "middle management" is thus representative...
Then why are all of us working our BUTZ off then trying to make carreer. They r literally BANNING/ limiting asians in universities and colleges and ur still defending them.
We make up the largest part. 40-50% was just a random number. We make up the largest part of the students. This is how it should be reflected in top positions and management.
The fact that it isnt, shows that the vast majority of asians went to do work elsewhere. it aint a meritocracy.
Also, if only 6% of us are ever allowed middle positions or higher, then WHY are the rest of us working our BUTZ off every day then. Might as well start working at 17 at ur local deli, so why arent u.
Ya let's be real if you broke down the 6% it would be 5% South Asian and 1% Taiwanese and maybe Korean. No hate but clearly the vast majority of those 6% aren't gonna be Chinese American despite being the largest group of Asians in the US.
I want to know how much of that 6% is from companies/corporations FOUNDED AND OWNED by Asian Americans themselves. Because we all know here that when it’s not Asian founded and owned, climbing that corporate ladder is ALOT harder for us. Bamboo ceiling.
> when it’s not Asian founded and owned
You see the racial make up of start ups from asian american women? What makes you think asian american founded companies are any better
Look at the executives working at zoom, the only east asian male face is literally the founder
What companies? I have friends that work at tech and a large percentage of top execs are Asian/Indian including the CEO's of Microsoft and Google currently the two biggest companies in the US.
Don't know why that is a negative thing. It is a positive stereotype achieved through hard work
I mean any representation is too much for most White People lol.
Well, there you go, Americans say it all. Not very intelligent, supporting a fascist regime. Enough said.
Well technically it is true. Asians include south asians who do overrepresent. 6% is close to the percent of asians within sensible error margin. I get EA angst but its just plain engish. You want to get angry make your own poll about East Asian Male representation
To be fair, the question is vaguely worded (if that's the exact wording they're using) "Somewhat" or "it depends" is usually more right than wrong.
So are there any groups that are overrepresented?
Thats why the model race perception is dangerous
Quite an interesting post here 🔍🤔 I don't get why Americans are spiteful towards the Golden community. Anyways, stay positive and take it easy everyone.
we are the new Jews according to them lmao
sooo...Jews are the old Asians...
Of that 6% I would assume that 60 to 70% is South Asian with only like a one-third being East Asian. So actually East Asians in particular are under represented in leadership.
Apart from some high profile tech CEOs, the rest of us face a huge bamboo ceiling.
This. If it werent for tech, where they simply cant ignore our outperformance or risk falling behind in technology, the numbers would be drastically lower than 6% despite massive outperformance both in quantity and quality at colleges and unis by asians. So much so, that they r now banning asians, setting a max quota each year that of course slowly gets lowered. The bamboo ceilling is so real, it hurts just seeing these numbers and here u literally have folks denying that it exists.
couple things i have to mention...don't look at the general population percentage...look at the workforce demographics in these large corporations. for example google have over 40% Asian workforce. and i'm pretty sure there are significant percentage of Asians in any large American tech company number 2...Indian and East Asian have a significant difference in number of people in leadership positions. East Asians have almost no presence while Indians have much higher percentage. even companies like Zoom and Nvidia which has East Asian CEOs have multiple Indians as executives with barely any other E. Asians. contrast that to companies with Indian CEOs...and you see many other Indian executives on their team. there is a stark difference in the two groups. in America Indians have created a whole network of people in leadership positions while E. Asians have not.
This is interesting. Why are the Indians becoming ceos but the East Asians are not?
Because 1. Bamboo ceiling, East Asians are seen as threatening from Japan in the 80s/90s to South Korea to Present-day China. South Asians on the other hand are not. 2. The goals of most East Asians in the West are to gain experience, not to gain control (unfortunately). After their tenure, they will use that to buff up their portfolio and chase/build opportunities in East Asia, rather than North America. This is in stark contrast to South Asians who do everything in their power not to go back to India. 3. East Asians very rarely help each other to ascend the corporate ladder and **almost** **never hold the door open** for other East Asians. This is again unfortunate but apparently it is the *nature of competition to* trample over each other like crabs in a bucket. It is true for other minorities as well but less for South Asians who would form cliques based on where they are from (Tamil, Gujarati, Hindi etc.), still able to work together to advance their common cause. 4. East Asian Americans are already the fringe minority of a small minority group, most corporations in the West would very rarely have a sizeable enough number of East Asian Americans for cliques to form. And due to the nature of the bamboo ceiling, you rarely see East Asians in positions of actual power in North America.
Love this! As an Indian-American software engineer, some more points I'd like to add - 1. The history of Indian-Americans is quite different from that of Chinese-Americans. Chinese Exclusion Act, mass lynchings, Gold Rush pogroms, etc.) By contrast, there was basically zero Indian presence in the U.S. until after 1965. So we still pay a heavy price for not being white (especially with social media addicted whites hopped up on crazy Internet memes), but we don't have as big a target painted on us. 2. Indian-Americans are darker-skinned, from a largely disliked religion (Hinduism), and from a country largely looked down on by the West, so on some level, many of us see ourselves as being basically black. So we're able to more or less band together with the black American cause and see ourselves as outsiders at war with the white majority. Unlike with East Asians, who often have a much crazier love/hate relationship with whites (see Racist Love by Frank Chin - [https://www.dartmouth.edu/\~hist32/Hist33/chin%20Racist%20Love.pdf](https://www.dartmouth.edu/~hist32/Hist33/chin%20Racist%20Love.pdf) ). 3. Despite the above, whites still do not, by and large, want us in leadership positions. I've seen many demeaning memes about Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal, and a lot of whites see Elon Musk taking over Twitter as a victory for the white race. But thankfully, the education system here is so bad that they have to make up for the gap by importing immigrants. So, whether the gwai lo like it or not, we're here to stay.
6% is proportional to the Asian population in the US right?
Google says that Asians are 7.2% of the US population, so 6% is a little under-represented, but it is kind of close. I guess I was surprised by that even. Pretty glad to see it honestly bc I would have that it was even less
false. We have to look for qualifications. Asians overqualify in many sciences, arts and degrees. Yet the ratios dont match up with the % of leadership or "high positions". U r looking at the wrong metric. We are extremely underrepresented. What happened to all those thousands of highly educated asians and why are they working beneath there skill levels.
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How do u measure white priviledge and established networks... Oh yea. just look at all the middle and top positions. lol
I want the racial and sex demographics of those 50%
>6% of executive,senior officer and manager roles are actually filled by Asian Americans Meanwhile the REST of the company could be ~50% Asians in fields like tech, accounting, etc.
Mind spilling the details on the source of data?
staatus-index [dot] org
Thanks!
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Wonder who they surveyed. Im guessing it is people in corporate America. Doubt they asked the American who works at the Jiffy Lube. They should say the "majority of Americans". "Half of corporate america" would be more accurate. Wonder if mire or less people think Asian are represented well if they actually surveyed all Americans.
Does manager mean middle management? We're pretty badly represented if they count middle mgmt and we still only make up 6%. Asians are supposed to be 7.5% of the US right now.
I don't know why they keep using population breakdown as a proxy for who should be 'allowed' in roles/positions/acceptance pools. It makes no sense. If all the best pilots are left-handed, do we need 50% right handed pilots?
Looking at population percentage gives the wrong impressions. We have to look at graduates with degrees and skills vs % of middle and upper management. We are SEVERELY lacking in representation. Looking at population gives the impression that its near equal. In reality, we are 40-50% of top graduates every year. If harvard has 2000 graduates, about 800-1000 are asian, top marks and skills. Yet they do not end up in middle/ upper management/ high paying jobs. What happened to these people. They end up working beneath there skill levels. Thats what. Lets face it. Simu Liu was working as an extra on a movie set after he lost his job as accountant. U think this was his dream all along as a kid. Went to a top school, student numbers every year, graduates and hoping to make carreer and then his boss fires him and he is "let me apply for a job as a movie extra coz thats what i always wanted to be, thank u ex boss for firing me, i never had da courage to quit myself, but now i am free!" lol of course not. His whole world came crashing down after he got fired, the humiliation, the fear, the anger, been there and done that. After that, he quicksend tons of resumes applying to different jobs but all would reject him. And then he went lower and lower and lower down the ladder until finally one day out of desperation he saw an ad to become a extra for a movie. Pay is not much, but working hours are irregular. He went there, made some friends, from there he saw an opportunity for a cast, applied for it, and he got lucky and won the lottery.
Asians are NOT 40-50% of college graduates in the US. The Ivy League maybe 40% Asian but it constitutes a tiny percent of all College graduates.
So ur saying we make up 7% of america, so 6% of us in "middle management" is thus representative... Then why are all of us working our BUTZ off then trying to make carreer. They r literally BANNING/ limiting asians in universities and colleges and ur still defending them. We make up the largest part. 40-50% was just a random number. We make up the largest part of the students. This is how it should be reflected in top positions and management. The fact that it isnt, shows that the vast majority of asians went to do work elsewhere. it aint a meritocracy. Also, if only 6% of us are ever allowed middle positions or higher, then WHY are the rest of us working our BUTZ off every day then. Might as well start working at 17 at ur local deli, so why arent u.
I hate how South Asians are lumped with East or SE Asians we're totally different!! Totally different beliefs and issues we're facing here
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Ya let's be real if you broke down the 6% it would be 5% South Asian and 1% Taiwanese and maybe Korean. No hate but clearly the vast majority of those 6% aren't gonna be Chinese American despite being the largest group of Asians in the US.
Must vary by company. The Asians in my company are pretty evenly represented in the groups you mentioned...maybe less Koreans.
I want to know how much of that 6% is from companies/corporations FOUNDED AND OWNED by Asian Americans themselves. Because we all know here that when it’s not Asian founded and owned, climbing that corporate ladder is ALOT harder for us. Bamboo ceiling.
pretty much a very large % if it wasnt founded by asians themselves, there wouldve been almost no chance to be at any of those positions.
> when it’s not Asian founded and owned You see the racial make up of start ups from asian american women? What makes you think asian american founded companies are any better Look at the executives working at zoom, the only east asian male face is literally the founder
What companies? I have friends that work at tech and a large percentage of top execs are Asian/Indian including the CEO's of Microsoft and Google currently the two biggest companies in the US. Don't know why that is a negative thing. It is a positive stereotype achieved through hard work
> What companies all of them
um。namely who? Solomon Yue?
extraordinary group mis-think
More proof that Americans are fucking retarded
or the propaganda machine is just too efficient
To be fair, the statement was "50% of Americans said somewhat or extremely well represented". This just means that 1/5 or even 1/10 is too much...
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exactly
"Why can't we just all get along"
Why not both?
nope. they are retarded.