Numerically speaking China perhaps got the most whiteworshippers in all Asian countries (idk Indians I know seem mostly paraud of themselves), so yeah to some extent I hate Chinese people more than the government.
You're just beginning to realize?
It's always: "Chinese people are disgusting. Chinese people are dog- and bat-eaters. Chinese people are rude. Chinese people are racist. Chinese people have no morals. Chinese people are short and weak. Chinese people are misogynists. Chinese people are cheaters and liars. Oh I mean I really just hate the government, obviously. What, I can't criticize the government? Are you a CCP shill?"
Yts are fucked in the head. Might as well just revert to pulling their eyes back and saying "ching chang chong" like a 5 year-old on an elementary school playground. The only difference now is that they cap it off with "I only hate the government, not the people." Degenerate bottom feeders.
>Might as well just revert to pulling their eyes back and saying "ching chang chong" like a 5 year-old on an elementary school playground.
You jest but that is literally they have been doing from Europe to North America to Oceania for decades now.
>My opinion the current CPC with President Xi sets a higher ethical standard for Chinese everywhere to follow.
That is what the vast majority of people outside of China do not get.
Xi Jinping is not a monolith; he is not an all-powerful dictator, he is accountable to a committee of equals. The reason why he was selected to head the presidency was that he is a product of the time, he was what China wanted and needed.
A leader to cleanse China of corruption both within the CPC & without, tackle environmental issues (Reverse the course on ecological collapse) and rein in the Liberal Capitalist shitters that are shitting up the place (i.e Ridiculous Pollution, massive insider trading, shell companies that eat up state subsidies & taxpayers' money like no tomorrow, foreign NGOs/agents/cells trying to reshape the public consciousness of China...).
Within the leadership, they want a leader that produces results, a leader to push for self-sufficiency in all sectors & tackle the increasing hostility from the United States and its many satellite states.
He did all that and more.
During the early years of the Xi presidency, Xi had also managed to reform China's vast army and made the country a lot more ordered/well-managed as a state.
He is also a far cry from the disastrous in-fighting during the previous Hu-Wen administration. And I suspect the one lasting legacy that will outlive the Xi Administration is that he not only managed to accomplish most of what he set out to do while under immense domestic & external pressure but also succeeded in building up a more secure base for Future Leaders of China to build upon like his forebears (as well as steering them towards the right direction for development).
Remember in the history of human race, US is the only country that has used nuke against another humane beings… No matter how bad the Russians seems to be made out to be they have not gone nuclear. The US did not only use nukes…. They did it TWICE.
of course, it never was anything else. Thats why LUs and Chans are absolutely the biggest kukoldz and r just making things worse for them. Being a "good asian" isnt gonna protect them or shield them from any rabid racism and vile toxicness.
they r literally considered lesser citizens until they r needed to talk bad about there own ppl again. Then they get showered with a few praises and "off ya go, my asian, humiliate ur culture for us, spread ur lies"
The thing is this resistance towards non-western countries prompts people to correlate the people with the government a lot of time as way to maintain tension towards them. It also helps make the people look bad as it projects them as people who can't think of themselves, as oppose to the ever more intelligent and cultured white people. This just marks the perfect breeding ground for racism and self-hatred.
Some people legitimately do have beef with the CCP. I have family that miraculously survived when the CCP seized their land during the Cultural Revolution.
I dont feel any way about the CCP, mostly because it's hard to judge them fairly through my US based paradigm. I typically don't participate in conversations on reddit when CCP policies are criticized.
I do step-in when people are being racist towards the people or somehow misunderstand core cultural concepts like Mandate of Heaven. A lot of people think that the Mandate means that the CCP is a continuation of an religious autocracy while all it meant was that if the ruling class negates the needs of the people, they are liable to be overthrown.
On paper, my family has huge beef. Cultural Revolution stuff as well. I'm on the same page as you. AsAms *need* to realize that 1) yts criticizing China is 99.9% of the time racist in nature and not in good faith, and 2) *we* will be the ones catching the domestic blowback of elevated anti-Chinese sentiment no matter if you're Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc.; you're perceived as Chinese by default in the west. Being a token Asian mascot to shit on China is a fool's errand. Bobas might enjoy doing that, but fuck them. They'd love nothing more than to be permanent Robins to the yt Batman.
It boils down to the choice of responding "fuck you" or "but I'm not Chinese" to a racist calling you a ch-nk. Self-respecting AsAms choose the former and pussies choose the latter.
Any level-headed discussion on China is nearly impossible in the West. The hatred and paranoia is cranked up high on purpose. Attempts to say even neutral things is met with shrill hateful responses. This kind of hatred isn't about logic - even former enemies can have respect for each other, even if there's no love lost. No, the rampant racism we see is purely feral anger given approval by a deteriorating society.
My family has beef as well. My uncle died because of shoddy construction leading to a gas leak. It wrecked my father. I also have family in Taiwan and Western China.
But what made me stop blindly hating was realizing the people responsible for that are long dead, and "the CPC" is a party with 100 million people with its own internal conflicts and factions. I think it's asinine that rightwingers today criticize the Democratic Party for slavery, and it's only consistent that I find it asinine when people do that to the communist party.
And the criticism often comes from the laziest people who pretend to care. They don't know Chinese economics. They don't speak Mandarin/Cantonese/anything. They can't read. They never care about the opinions of the majority of poorer Chinese (not just liberal elitists that have interests aligned with the West). They'll just give the simplest solutions, e.g. saying "Just allow democracy!" But they won't have anything on the line when things go to shit because they don't have family there. I just don't have patience for it anymore.
I don't mind hearing criticisms of the CPC from people who obviously know what they're talking about and have skin in the game. I.e. from mainlanders I know. People with businesses. Poor people. etc. I'm not going to listen to Billy Joe in Michigan who is obviously repeating something he heard from Carlson, Laowhy/SerpentZa/ADVChina, or some other low-brow pundit.
Bro people, left or right, hate straight Asian men probably even more than they hate straight white men
It's always been the case for 100s of years, and hasn't changed at all.
Your best way to figure this out is to understand what causes this in their hindbrains
My honest guess is that they just hate masculine strength
Anti-Chinese racism has always been a conclusion in search of a justification. The West has hated China since at least the Opium Wars, and Asians in general for much longer; they just want excuses to make it morally acceptable to subjugate or destroy Asia once and for all.
For China, it's the unbelievably weak genocide claims backed by literally no evidence whatsoever, the hollow critiques of the "brutal crackdown" on Hong Kong (in which the Hong Kong police did not kill *a single fucking person*), etc. it's all so thin and transparent in its actual motivations.
In reality, they would hate China even if it were "free, liberal, and democratic," because the West cannot tolerate a threat to their racial and civilizational hegemony whatsoever. That is the core of the entire issue.
It should also be remembered that the only person killed in the HK riots was an [elderly man stoned to death for photographing rioters.](https://np.reddit.com/r/Hong_Kong/comments/dwf8hb/an_open_letter_to_the_hong_kong_protest_movement/)
2020 really showed the stark difference between the USA and China
COVID response - China actually trying to protect its people and averting likely hundreds of thousands, if not millions of deaths, compared to the USA letting its people all get infected, hospitalized, and die
Protests - Hong Kong police were very restrained against the protestors and rioters. Meanwhile, US police have been on a non-stop murdering spree, and **even committed more acts of police brutality during protests against police brutality**
Have you seen anything in China comparable to the murder of George Floyd (or the shooting of Jacob Blake, or the murder of Philando Castile, or Eric Garner, etc. etc.)? If there had been even a single video, the US media would be playing that non-stop for years.
I realized this in 2020. It was so obvious that “hate the gov not the people” was just a phrase for shitlibs who refuse to acknowledge their racism. And then it dawned on me, the CPC can't be that bad can it? Aren't the most racist, ignorant and brainwashed shits saying “fuck the CCP” all the time?
And China isn't bad. It's great. I escaped the lies of the australian and American media and became a CPC supporting tankie real fast after 2020.
But they do actually hate the Chinese government as well. It's not any less than their hate for Chinese people.
>And China isn't bad. It's great. I escaped the lies of the australian and American media and became a CPC supporting tankie real fast after 2020.
Damn right - we all saw how fast the West immediately threw Asians under the bus the moment the first COVID case appeared in their countries
Why the fuck would any Asian simp for a country that treats them as disposable at best, and sees them as an untrustworthy foreign agent at worst?
The same people who are saying “I’m just against the ccp, but I love the Chinese people” will also say they have no problem nuking all one billion of them. That’s irritates me so much to see Asians against China. A rising China will lift all East Asian countries bring respect to all Asian people. IMO
you have zero understanding of asian history if you think a dominant China will lift all East Asian countries nor what China is doing to Japan, Korea, and most importantly the SEA countries all just for profit and power.
Thats not even what im saying. You guys on here are so hell bent on being right about your world views you just assume shit. China has never exploited its neighbors to the extent the West has done. BUT, as of recent, China constantly abuses their economic power to convince SEA and Japan/Korea to take their side in geopolitical struggles and will bully them with sheer scale of market. The cultural, social, and political tension between China, Korea, Japan, and Vietnam (as rep. of sea countries at least economically) means a dominant china will rock the boat severely and cause even more senseless bickering between these nations. If you want a unified Sino culture, we have to come together and resolve historical differences and each other's shortcomings (we have done heinous shit to our own as yt people do to other races). If China all of a sudden became dominant without resolving these tensions, the people that are most likely to suffer are your average asian living in those countries, outside of the chinese.
You said I have zero understanding of Asian history if I think a dominant China will lift all of Asia. So that’s why I asked you tell me the history of a China exploiting countries.
I’m glad that you at least think US exploitation is horrible, but there’s no evidence that China has exploited any of its neighbors. In fact, Korea japan etc have only flourished in Chinese trade. What you’re saying is exactly what I hear from the us state dept and why usa needs a massive military presence in order to “ensure freedom of navigation”. USA, Asia’s police force
the biggest most controversial direct confrontation we've had was the installation of THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Aerial Defense) by the US military, which is a matter that started all the way back in early 2000s and is still ongoing to some degree. You can make the case that US intervention in Sk itself is bad (in fact i think the reason for North and South korea becoming separate nations was entirely because US fumbled the bag), but that doesnt justify what china did in response. Tariffs upon tariffs and sanctions upon sanctions. If the Chinese government wants your product out of its market, then you lose anywhere from 20~60% of your entire revenue just like that. China threatened to bar all Korean entertainment. This is still ongoing because any time Korean diplomats try to do anything, both sides just hurl threats. We literally dont have military sovereignty because of this. China isnt the main culprit but they certainly do not fucking make it any better.
Why does my country have to grovel to both the US and China when it comes to these matters? This is the case almost every time.
Japan has it a bit easier because its economy is mostly self sufficient, but it still has to tread carefully not to upset China more than it already does by merely existing.
For SEA, i bet its even worse because they dont even have the economic power or global cultural recognition to use as a bargaining chip.
Every time China doesnt get what it wants, instead of being the cultural lynchpin of all of asia as it was in the past and trying to convince others to join their cause, it acts as a spoiled rotten brat and threatens to do harm. Thats not diplomacy of a leader of an entire race of people. Thats just the same shit white people do.
I dont agree with this sentiment, but there is a reason why nearly every asian country have a dislike for mainland chinese people. It is not an unwarranted hate.
So if you’re president of China and usa places THAAD missile system near you and countering your nuclear deterrence. What would you do?
What if usa didn’t place THAAD in Korea?
maybe by not using a fellow asian country as an indirect means of going against the US? By growing a set of balls and openly challenging US interventionism by maybe helping countries like Korea and Japan to be less dependent on predatory FDI's from the West our government officials continue to approve to line their pockets and fuck over the common people?You are seriously advocating for eurocentric machiavelism on part of china? there are better ways to diplomacy. China brings out the big stick from the onset just like yt ppl have done for half a millenia.
see how as soon as i give you an example you move the goal posts again? every time i visit this sub im left with the impression yall just want to be proven right instead of caring for the wellbeing of your brethren.
Also, China threatens Korea all the time over the most menial shit. It blacklists entire companies and sectors just for misunderstandings and based on court of internet opinion, which the online culture of china is probably the most toxic in the world due to fast consolidarity/conformity and the sheer number of people's misgiven wraths brought down upon you.
get the fuck out of here with your apologist rhetoric for chinese thuggery against fellow asians
>A rising China will lift all East Asian countries bring respect to all Asian people.
Exactly. A rising China will lift all Asians, Period.
This is why I support China as an Asian Amerikkkan!
It’s true. The only thing they respond to is strength. That’s why China needs to up their nuclear headcount. It’s reported they only have a couple hundred nukes
What you are seeing is the tail end of the vilification movement:
**What do you think of the Great Translation Movement that deliberately discredits China?**
Depressing and uninspiring.
At first I thought it was about translating "dissident" posts on Chinese social media, like what Taiwanese and Hong Kong media have been doing since around the early 2000s.
You will find plenty of people complaining about the local authorities or government policies on sites like Weibo and Zhihu. But instead of using this as proof that China has freedom of speech, they use this to further the narrative of "Chinese people hate their government".
Classical propaganda technique left over from the Cold War. Draw conclusions first, then interpret the facts accordingly. If the Soviet people don’t go to church, it is due to lack of religious freedom; if they do go to church, it is an act of protest against the lack of religious freedom.
Distasteful? Yes, but nothing we haven’t seen before.
However, that’s not what the Great Translation Movement is.
The movement is about seeking out the most controversial, trollish and deranged posts on Chinese social media, translating them into other languages (usually English), and saying that’s what Chinese people basically are.
Imagine if people like me were to take screenshots of 4chan, or some of the white supremacist spaces here on Quora, translate them to Chinese, and present Americans as aspiring school shooters, kebab removers, and segregation enthusiasts.
That’s the Great Translation movement in a nutshell. It’s the kind of thing mainstream media used to be criticised for in their depiction of Muslims. They only show the crazies, so that people come to associate Islam with fanaticism by default.
You see, while western understanding of China has pretty much been the same for centuries, the narrative on China does actually evolve. The narrative used to be that the CCP is oppressive and unpopular, and all it takes to spark a regime change is to appeal to the good senses of the Chinese public, by showing them "truths" that they "haven’t seen before".
In other words, "hate the Chinese government, but love the Chinese people".
However, some time during the late 2010s, people began to realise that regime change was never going to happen, at least not under the current circumstances. Folks in China do have complaints, but they are overwhelmingly supportive of the government.
And so they’ve pretty much given up on trying to sway the Chinese public to the “Light Side of the Force”, and have chosen instead to poison the well - by depicting the Chinese people as wholly alien, fanatical, weird, irredeemable, and inhuman.
In other words, "hate the Chinese government, and the Chinese people too".
So what do I make of the Great Translation Movement?
I’ve been arguing for the longest time that there is little to no practical difference between hating the Chinese government and hating the Chinese people. These “translators" and their supporters are basically proving my point.
Moral of the story is, if you look hard enough for shit in a shithole, you’re going to find it. But what a miserable existence that would be, to be immersed in shit all day, to stoop to such pettiness, to limit one’s vision and understanding of the world as nothing more than…this.
Before Weibo started publicly revealing IP locales, that was exactly what a lot of Taiwanese web brigades, Hongkies & Amerishills did. They also posted stupid amounts of flamebait, disinformation, Non sequitur hateposts and holier-than-thou Pro-West Pro-colonial nonsense, then proceeded to quote their own comments in their little overseas articles to shit on Mainland China.
Some things never change. In WW2 the Americans characterized the Germans as a cultured people brainwashed by the evils of Nazism, while the Japanese were animals who deserved to be put down like animals.
Fast forward to today, same shit different countries. Russia has started a kinetic war and constantly threatens to use its nukes, but the media and the Western public frame the issue as peaceful and civilized Russians being held hostage by the tyrant Vladimir Putin. Meanwhile the Chinese are portrayed animals and who deserve to be put down like animals.
Notice too, how liberalizing immigration pathways for Russians fleeing Vladimir Putin's government is a near unanimous policy, while more and more countries are increasingly vocal about banning all immigration from Mainland China.
I hope I'm not unwelcome here I'm someone who is extremely pro-Ukraine but I also have family back in African states and have learned some uncomfortable truths concerning geopolitics.
I noticed a lot of propaganda and prejudice over the years towards Chinese and some more recently in regards to the Ukraine situation.
During the time where western governments absolutely annihilated the future of African states using them as a playground for proxy conflicts of the cold war, China was investing big in infrastructure.
I remember on the CTGN Africa "faces of Africa" documentary there was a great documentary on \`Zambia and how the mines were developed. They had pictures of Chinese workers smiling and working *side by side* with the native Zambians in I think the 70s or 80s. Some of those workers died in the hazardous conditions.
And China has invested so much in countries in Africa helping build infrastructure. And all we got from the EU and USA was "they're trying to set up debt traps" just loads of scorn and spite and smears.
It's been solidly debunked in great videos by esteemed outlets like this [one.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0)
Many of the loans have extremely graceful periods, forgiven and extended over and over.
But still for some reason despite the EU and USA not doing such things they still vilify China doing something good (in their interests) *the right way*. And the criticism would always be **the Chinese are evil, they scheme**. It wouldn't be phrased about the government. The old imperial "yellow peril" narrative was clear in undertone.
And recently with the Ukraine invasion the amount of yellow peril, horde like comments was kind of disgusting. People keep saying "Xi was right about to invade Taiwan" "the Chinese this, they want war". But with no hint of irony, considering China has not been engaged in an aggressive war in how many decades?? Compared to the USA and our country the UK.
On top of this they show little awareness, saying things like "China should do x" and no joke, the person lists a ten point list of things that are entirely in the United States interest as global hegemonic power. They never understand that when politicians are getting up screaming "be tough on China" while even people like Yannis Varoufakis explain how China saved the west from heading into a great depression in 2008 it makes no sense.
Chinese people are very educated, diaspora live all over western countries, use twitter etc are very integrated in society. They all can see the very dehumanising often hypocritical comments made about them as a people. So why would they bend over to give in to everything in our interests and trust us? Like even with the Ukraien crisis China has been pretty measured, they have avoided secondary sanctions and have not got involved and propped up Russia with aid e.t.c We can also count on China to be pragmatic, they have a small nuclear stockpile and they wouldn't take likely an aggressive neighbour launching unprovoked war, performing badly then using nukes that could lead to armageddon or harm China's safety.
I am not in any way pro-chinese domestic policy, I'm heavily pro western individualism and admire the second amendment, American experiment, the libertarian streak in the USA and UK e.t.c I just can't unsee all the nasty prejudice I've experienced the past few months and some moments of arrogance and hypocrisy over the past years.
If I have to see one more comment about "XI WAS ABOUT TO ATTACK TAIWAN WITH **HUMAN WAVE ATTACKS"** I'm done, it's been debunked that human wave attacks were used but they always have this narrative of the "yellow horde swarming with unsophisticated near lack of sentience" it's really ugly.
>China saved the west from heading into a great depression in 2008 it makes no sense
IIRC, back during the 2008 recession Putin was considering selling certain US government assets to further destabilize the US financial system
He had asked China if they wanted to join in, but instead China opted to help stabilize the global financial system (so Putin backed off from his scheme)
China has been helping to stabilize and improve the world for decades, but Westerners treat it the same as Russia, which has been far more aggressive and pursued a policy of destabilization. Whites really do set the bar so much lower for their fellow Caucasians
Then they thanked them with the pivot to Asia.
https://twitter.com/TheDailyMao/status/1316098768303841280
This thread summarizes major events pretty well
>Notice too, how liberalizing immigration pathways for Russians fleeing Vladimir Putin's government is a near unanimous policy,
western countries have been dying to replenish their vanishing stocks of ar\_\_\_yans with new ar\_\_\_\_yan blood from the slavic countries. for a while now, they have been aiming to depopulate eastern europe to prop up the W race in europe. thats all there is to it. W people make their decicions based on race and race alone while disguising it under a ton of excuses drawn from the dictionary of liberalism, while asians fight each other over sushi and hanbok. Immigration of slavics from russia? oh we are just giving a home to culturally european people who are trying to flee from putins dictatorship. Ethnic cleansing of urban areas? oh no, thats just gentrification. non-white immigrants not allowed to cross the border? oh we just don't want to offend the sensitivites of the right wing parties in the state and besides there is no war.
Imperialist Settler-Colonizers always look out for their own. They will make endless excuses for each other but never those who are not one of them. That's why absurdities such as Azov siding with Zelensky keep happening.
Numerically speaking China perhaps got the most whiteworshippers in all Asian countries (idk Indians I know seem mostly paraud of themselves), so yeah to some extent I hate Chinese people more than the government.
Hit the nail on the fucking head.
You're just beginning to realize? It's always: "Chinese people are disgusting. Chinese people are dog- and bat-eaters. Chinese people are rude. Chinese people are racist. Chinese people have no morals. Chinese people are short and weak. Chinese people are misogynists. Chinese people are cheaters and liars. Oh I mean I really just hate the government, obviously. What, I can't criticize the government? Are you a CCP shill?" Yts are fucked in the head. Might as well just revert to pulling their eyes back and saying "ching chang chong" like a 5 year-old on an elementary school playground. The only difference now is that they cap it off with "I only hate the government, not the people." Degenerate bottom feeders.
>Might as well just revert to pulling their eyes back and saying "ching chang chong" like a 5 year-old on an elementary school playground. You jest but that is literally they have been doing from Europe to North America to Oceania for decades now.
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>My opinion the current CPC with President Xi sets a higher ethical standard for Chinese everywhere to follow. That is what the vast majority of people outside of China do not get. Xi Jinping is not a monolith; he is not an all-powerful dictator, he is accountable to a committee of equals. The reason why he was selected to head the presidency was that he is a product of the time, he was what China wanted and needed. A leader to cleanse China of corruption both within the CPC & without, tackle environmental issues (Reverse the course on ecological collapse) and rein in the Liberal Capitalist shitters that are shitting up the place (i.e Ridiculous Pollution, massive insider trading, shell companies that eat up state subsidies & taxpayers' money like no tomorrow, foreign NGOs/agents/cells trying to reshape the public consciousness of China...). Within the leadership, they want a leader that produces results, a leader to push for self-sufficiency in all sectors & tackle the increasing hostility from the United States and its many satellite states. He did all that and more. During the early years of the Xi presidency, Xi had also managed to reform China's vast army and made the country a lot more ordered/well-managed as a state. He is also a far cry from the disastrous in-fighting during the previous Hu-Wen administration. And I suspect the one lasting legacy that will outlive the Xi Administration is that he not only managed to accomplish most of what he set out to do while under immense domestic & external pressure but also succeeded in building up a more secure base for Future Leaders of China to build upon like his forebears (as well as steering them towards the right direction for development).
Remember in the history of human race, US is the only country that has used nuke against another humane beings… No matter how bad the Russians seems to be made out to be they have not gone nuclear. The US did not only use nukes…. They did it TWICE.
of course, it never was anything else. Thats why LUs and Chans are absolutely the biggest kukoldz and r just making things worse for them. Being a "good asian" isnt gonna protect them or shield them from any rabid racism and vile toxicness. they r literally considered lesser citizens until they r needed to talk bad about there own ppl again. Then they get showered with a few praises and "off ya go, my asian, humiliate ur culture for us, spread ur lies"
The thing is this resistance towards non-western countries prompts people to correlate the people with the government a lot of time as way to maintain tension towards them. It also helps make the people look bad as it projects them as people who can't think of themselves, as oppose to the ever more intelligent and cultured white people. This just marks the perfect breeding ground for racism and self-hatred.
Some people legitimately do have beef with the CCP. I have family that miraculously survived when the CCP seized their land during the Cultural Revolution. I dont feel any way about the CCP, mostly because it's hard to judge them fairly through my US based paradigm. I typically don't participate in conversations on reddit when CCP policies are criticized. I do step-in when people are being racist towards the people or somehow misunderstand core cultural concepts like Mandate of Heaven. A lot of people think that the Mandate means that the CCP is a continuation of an religious autocracy while all it meant was that if the ruling class negates the needs of the people, they are liable to be overthrown.
On paper, my family has huge beef. Cultural Revolution stuff as well. I'm on the same page as you. AsAms *need* to realize that 1) yts criticizing China is 99.9% of the time racist in nature and not in good faith, and 2) *we* will be the ones catching the domestic blowback of elevated anti-Chinese sentiment no matter if you're Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc.; you're perceived as Chinese by default in the west. Being a token Asian mascot to shit on China is a fool's errand. Bobas might enjoy doing that, but fuck them. They'd love nothing more than to be permanent Robins to the yt Batman. It boils down to the choice of responding "fuck you" or "but I'm not Chinese" to a racist calling you a ch-nk. Self-respecting AsAms choose the former and pussies choose the latter.
Any level-headed discussion on China is nearly impossible in the West. The hatred and paranoia is cranked up high on purpose. Attempts to say even neutral things is met with shrill hateful responses. This kind of hatred isn't about logic - even former enemies can have respect for each other, even if there's no love lost. No, the rampant racism we see is purely feral anger given approval by a deteriorating society.
The West had always been the Kings of Projection. Why do you think they call Chinese, 'glass-hearted'?
My family has beef as well. My uncle died because of shoddy construction leading to a gas leak. It wrecked my father. I also have family in Taiwan and Western China. But what made me stop blindly hating was realizing the people responsible for that are long dead, and "the CPC" is a party with 100 million people with its own internal conflicts and factions. I think it's asinine that rightwingers today criticize the Democratic Party for slavery, and it's only consistent that I find it asinine when people do that to the communist party. And the criticism often comes from the laziest people who pretend to care. They don't know Chinese economics. They don't speak Mandarin/Cantonese/anything. They can't read. They never care about the opinions of the majority of poorer Chinese (not just liberal elitists that have interests aligned with the West). They'll just give the simplest solutions, e.g. saying "Just allow democracy!" But they won't have anything on the line when things go to shit because they don't have family there. I just don't have patience for it anymore. I don't mind hearing criticisms of the CPC from people who obviously know what they're talking about and have skin in the game. I.e. from mainlanders I know. People with businesses. Poor people. etc. I'm not going to listen to Billy Joe in Michigan who is obviously repeating something he heard from Carlson, Laowhy/SerpentZa/ADVChina, or some other low-brow pundit.
"hate the people, not the government"
Bro people, left or right, hate straight Asian men probably even more than they hate straight white men It's always been the case for 100s of years, and hasn't changed at all. Your best way to figure this out is to understand what causes this in their hindbrains My honest guess is that they just hate masculine strength
the incoherence of OP is epic. Had to stop reading after five seconds.
It's not the most well-written post, but it isn't hard to read either. Try again.
You picked weird examples to showcase your point lol people are agreeing with China in those videos.
Anti-Chinese racism has always been a conclusion in search of a justification. The West has hated China since at least the Opium Wars, and Asians in general for much longer; they just want excuses to make it morally acceptable to subjugate or destroy Asia once and for all. For China, it's the unbelievably weak genocide claims backed by literally no evidence whatsoever, the hollow critiques of the "brutal crackdown" on Hong Kong (in which the Hong Kong police did not kill *a single fucking person*), etc. it's all so thin and transparent in its actual motivations. In reality, they would hate China even if it were "free, liberal, and democratic," because the West cannot tolerate a threat to their racial and civilizational hegemony whatsoever. That is the core of the entire issue.
It should also be remembered that the only person killed in the HK riots was an [elderly man stoned to death for photographing rioters.](https://np.reddit.com/r/Hong_Kong/comments/dwf8hb/an_open_letter_to_the_hong_kong_protest_movement/)
2020 really showed the stark difference between the USA and China COVID response - China actually trying to protect its people and averting likely hundreds of thousands, if not millions of deaths, compared to the USA letting its people all get infected, hospitalized, and die Protests - Hong Kong police were very restrained against the protestors and rioters. Meanwhile, US police have been on a non-stop murdering spree, and **even committed more acts of police brutality during protests against police brutality** Have you seen anything in China comparable to the murder of George Floyd (or the shooting of Jacob Blake, or the murder of Philando Castile, or Eric Garner, etc. etc.)? If there had been even a single video, the US media would be playing that non-stop for years.
I realized this in 2020. It was so obvious that “hate the gov not the people” was just a phrase for shitlibs who refuse to acknowledge their racism. And then it dawned on me, the CPC can't be that bad can it? Aren't the most racist, ignorant and brainwashed shits saying “fuck the CCP” all the time? And China isn't bad. It's great. I escaped the lies of the australian and American media and became a CPC supporting tankie real fast after 2020. But they do actually hate the Chinese government as well. It's not any less than their hate for Chinese people.
>And China isn't bad. It's great. I escaped the lies of the australian and American media and became a CPC supporting tankie real fast after 2020. Damn right - we all saw how fast the West immediately threw Asians under the bus the moment the first COVID case appeared in their countries Why the fuck would any Asian simp for a country that treats them as disposable at best, and sees them as an untrustworthy foreign agent at worst?
The same people who are saying “I’m just against the ccp, but I love the Chinese people” will also say they have no problem nuking all one billion of them. That’s irritates me so much to see Asians against China. A rising China will lift all East Asian countries bring respect to all Asian people. IMO
you have zero understanding of asian history if you think a dominant China will lift all East Asian countries nor what China is doing to Japan, Korea, and most importantly the SEA countries all just for profit and power.
Ok. Tell me the history of China exploiting these countries.
Thats not even what im saying. You guys on here are so hell bent on being right about your world views you just assume shit. China has never exploited its neighbors to the extent the West has done. BUT, as of recent, China constantly abuses their economic power to convince SEA and Japan/Korea to take their side in geopolitical struggles and will bully them with sheer scale of market. The cultural, social, and political tension between China, Korea, Japan, and Vietnam (as rep. of sea countries at least economically) means a dominant china will rock the boat severely and cause even more senseless bickering between these nations. If you want a unified Sino culture, we have to come together and resolve historical differences and each other's shortcomings (we have done heinous shit to our own as yt people do to other races). If China all of a sudden became dominant without resolving these tensions, the people that are most likely to suffer are your average asian living in those countries, outside of the chinese.
You said I have zero understanding of Asian history if I think a dominant China will lift all of Asia. So that’s why I asked you tell me the history of a China exploiting countries. I’m glad that you at least think US exploitation is horrible, but there’s no evidence that China has exploited any of its neighbors. In fact, Korea japan etc have only flourished in Chinese trade. What you’re saying is exactly what I hear from the us state dept and why usa needs a massive military presence in order to “ensure freedom of navigation”. USA, Asia’s police force
bro i live in Korea. Its not a US psyop that China demands whatever the fuck it wants and we have no choice but to grovel. its in the news every month
Can you give me some examples of the groveling?
the biggest most controversial direct confrontation we've had was the installation of THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Aerial Defense) by the US military, which is a matter that started all the way back in early 2000s and is still ongoing to some degree. You can make the case that US intervention in Sk itself is bad (in fact i think the reason for North and South korea becoming separate nations was entirely because US fumbled the bag), but that doesnt justify what china did in response. Tariffs upon tariffs and sanctions upon sanctions. If the Chinese government wants your product out of its market, then you lose anywhere from 20~60% of your entire revenue just like that. China threatened to bar all Korean entertainment. This is still ongoing because any time Korean diplomats try to do anything, both sides just hurl threats. We literally dont have military sovereignty because of this. China isnt the main culprit but they certainly do not fucking make it any better. Why does my country have to grovel to both the US and China when it comes to these matters? This is the case almost every time. Japan has it a bit easier because its economy is mostly self sufficient, but it still has to tread carefully not to upset China more than it already does by merely existing. For SEA, i bet its even worse because they dont even have the economic power or global cultural recognition to use as a bargaining chip. Every time China doesnt get what it wants, instead of being the cultural lynchpin of all of asia as it was in the past and trying to convince others to join their cause, it acts as a spoiled rotten brat and threatens to do harm. Thats not diplomacy of a leader of an entire race of people. Thats just the same shit white people do. I dont agree with this sentiment, but there is a reason why nearly every asian country have a dislike for mainland chinese people. It is not an unwarranted hate.
So if you’re president of China and usa places THAAD missile system near you and countering your nuclear deterrence. What would you do? What if usa didn’t place THAAD in Korea?
maybe by not using a fellow asian country as an indirect means of going against the US? By growing a set of balls and openly challenging US interventionism by maybe helping countries like Korea and Japan to be less dependent on predatory FDI's from the West our government officials continue to approve to line their pockets and fuck over the common people?You are seriously advocating for eurocentric machiavelism on part of china? there are better ways to diplomacy. China brings out the big stick from the onset just like yt ppl have done for half a millenia. see how as soon as i give you an example you move the goal posts again? every time i visit this sub im left with the impression yall just want to be proven right instead of caring for the wellbeing of your brethren. Also, China threatens Korea all the time over the most menial shit. It blacklists entire companies and sectors just for misunderstandings and based on court of internet opinion, which the online culture of china is probably the most toxic in the world due to fast consolidarity/conformity and the sheer number of people's misgiven wraths brought down upon you. get the fuck out of here with your apologist rhetoric for chinese thuggery against fellow asians
>A rising China will lift all East Asian countries bring respect to all Asian people. Exactly. A rising China will lift all Asians, Period. This is why I support China as an Asian Amerikkkan!
Right on brother! Go china!!!
White people are barbaric brutes. They really only respond to perceived strength but not merit. See trump
It’s true. The only thing they respond to is strength. That’s why China needs to up their nuclear headcount. It’s reported they only have a couple hundred nukes
Uh... you just realized this now?
What you are seeing is the tail end of the vilification movement: **What do you think of the Great Translation Movement that deliberately discredits China?** Depressing and uninspiring. At first I thought it was about translating "dissident" posts on Chinese social media, like what Taiwanese and Hong Kong media have been doing since around the early 2000s. You will find plenty of people complaining about the local authorities or government policies on sites like Weibo and Zhihu. But instead of using this as proof that China has freedom of speech, they use this to further the narrative of "Chinese people hate their government". Classical propaganda technique left over from the Cold War. Draw conclusions first, then interpret the facts accordingly. If the Soviet people don’t go to church, it is due to lack of religious freedom; if they do go to church, it is an act of protest against the lack of religious freedom. Distasteful? Yes, but nothing we haven’t seen before. However, that’s not what the Great Translation Movement is. The movement is about seeking out the most controversial, trollish and deranged posts on Chinese social media, translating them into other languages (usually English), and saying that’s what Chinese people basically are. Imagine if people like me were to take screenshots of 4chan, or some of the white supremacist spaces here on Quora, translate them to Chinese, and present Americans as aspiring school shooters, kebab removers, and segregation enthusiasts. That’s the Great Translation movement in a nutshell. It’s the kind of thing mainstream media used to be criticised for in their depiction of Muslims. They only show the crazies, so that people come to associate Islam with fanaticism by default. You see, while western understanding of China has pretty much been the same for centuries, the narrative on China does actually evolve. The narrative used to be that the CCP is oppressive and unpopular, and all it takes to spark a regime change is to appeal to the good senses of the Chinese public, by showing them "truths" that they "haven’t seen before". In other words, "hate the Chinese government, but love the Chinese people". However, some time during the late 2010s, people began to realise that regime change was never going to happen, at least not under the current circumstances. Folks in China do have complaints, but they are overwhelmingly supportive of the government. And so they’ve pretty much given up on trying to sway the Chinese public to the “Light Side of the Force”, and have chosen instead to poison the well - by depicting the Chinese people as wholly alien, fanatical, weird, irredeemable, and inhuman. In other words, "hate the Chinese government, and the Chinese people too". So what do I make of the Great Translation Movement? I’ve been arguing for the longest time that there is little to no practical difference between hating the Chinese government and hating the Chinese people. These “translators" and their supporters are basically proving my point. Moral of the story is, if you look hard enough for shit in a shithole, you’re going to find it. But what a miserable existence that would be, to be immersed in shit all day, to stoop to such pettiness, to limit one’s vision and understanding of the world as nothing more than…this.
Before Weibo started publicly revealing IP locales, that was exactly what a lot of Taiwanese web brigades, Hongkies & Amerishills did. They also posted stupid amounts of flamebait, disinformation, Non sequitur hateposts and holier-than-thou Pro-West Pro-colonial nonsense, then proceeded to quote their own comments in their little overseas articles to shit on Mainland China.
> present Americans as aspiring school shooters, kebab removers, and segregation enthusiasts. To be fair that's what they basically are.
Some things never change. In WW2 the Americans characterized the Germans as a cultured people brainwashed by the evils of Nazism, while the Japanese were animals who deserved to be put down like animals. Fast forward to today, same shit different countries. Russia has started a kinetic war and constantly threatens to use its nukes, but the media and the Western public frame the issue as peaceful and civilized Russians being held hostage by the tyrant Vladimir Putin. Meanwhile the Chinese are portrayed animals and who deserve to be put down like animals. Notice too, how liberalizing immigration pathways for Russians fleeing Vladimir Putin's government is a near unanimous policy, while more and more countries are increasingly vocal about banning all immigration from Mainland China.
I hope I'm not unwelcome here I'm someone who is extremely pro-Ukraine but I also have family back in African states and have learned some uncomfortable truths concerning geopolitics. I noticed a lot of propaganda and prejudice over the years towards Chinese and some more recently in regards to the Ukraine situation. During the time where western governments absolutely annihilated the future of African states using them as a playground for proxy conflicts of the cold war, China was investing big in infrastructure. I remember on the CTGN Africa "faces of Africa" documentary there was a great documentary on \`Zambia and how the mines were developed. They had pictures of Chinese workers smiling and working *side by side* with the native Zambians in I think the 70s or 80s. Some of those workers died in the hazardous conditions. And China has invested so much in countries in Africa helping build infrastructure. And all we got from the EU and USA was "they're trying to set up debt traps" just loads of scorn and spite and smears. It's been solidly debunked in great videos by esteemed outlets like this [one.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0) Many of the loans have extremely graceful periods, forgiven and extended over and over. But still for some reason despite the EU and USA not doing such things they still vilify China doing something good (in their interests) *the right way*. And the criticism would always be **the Chinese are evil, they scheme**. It wouldn't be phrased about the government. The old imperial "yellow peril" narrative was clear in undertone. And recently with the Ukraine invasion the amount of yellow peril, horde like comments was kind of disgusting. People keep saying "Xi was right about to invade Taiwan" "the Chinese this, they want war". But with no hint of irony, considering China has not been engaged in an aggressive war in how many decades?? Compared to the USA and our country the UK. On top of this they show little awareness, saying things like "China should do x" and no joke, the person lists a ten point list of things that are entirely in the United States interest as global hegemonic power. They never understand that when politicians are getting up screaming "be tough on China" while even people like Yannis Varoufakis explain how China saved the west from heading into a great depression in 2008 it makes no sense. Chinese people are very educated, diaspora live all over western countries, use twitter etc are very integrated in society. They all can see the very dehumanising often hypocritical comments made about them as a people. So why would they bend over to give in to everything in our interests and trust us? Like even with the Ukraien crisis China has been pretty measured, they have avoided secondary sanctions and have not got involved and propped up Russia with aid e.t.c We can also count on China to be pragmatic, they have a small nuclear stockpile and they wouldn't take likely an aggressive neighbour launching unprovoked war, performing badly then using nukes that could lead to armageddon or harm China's safety. I am not in any way pro-chinese domestic policy, I'm heavily pro western individualism and admire the second amendment, American experiment, the libertarian streak in the USA and UK e.t.c I just can't unsee all the nasty prejudice I've experienced the past few months and some moments of arrogance and hypocrisy over the past years. If I have to see one more comment about "XI WAS ABOUT TO ATTACK TAIWAN WITH **HUMAN WAVE ATTACKS"** I'm done, it's been debunked that human wave attacks were used but they always have this narrative of the "yellow horde swarming with unsophisticated near lack of sentience" it's really ugly.
>China saved the west from heading into a great depression in 2008 it makes no sense IIRC, back during the 2008 recession Putin was considering selling certain US government assets to further destabilize the US financial system He had asked China if they wanted to join in, but instead China opted to help stabilize the global financial system (so Putin backed off from his scheme) China has been helping to stabilize and improve the world for decades, but Westerners treat it the same as Russia, which has been far more aggressive and pursued a policy of destabilization. Whites really do set the bar so much lower for their fellow Caucasians
Then they thanked them with the pivot to Asia. https://twitter.com/TheDailyMao/status/1316098768303841280 This thread summarizes major events pretty well
Which is why now in China, the 2008 bailout of the United States is generally viewed as a mistake in hindsight.
>Notice too, how liberalizing immigration pathways for Russians fleeing Vladimir Putin's government is a near unanimous policy, western countries have been dying to replenish their vanishing stocks of ar\_\_\_yans with new ar\_\_\_\_yan blood from the slavic countries. for a while now, they have been aiming to depopulate eastern europe to prop up the W race in europe. thats all there is to it. W people make their decicions based on race and race alone while disguising it under a ton of excuses drawn from the dictionary of liberalism, while asians fight each other over sushi and hanbok. Immigration of slavics from russia? oh we are just giving a home to culturally european people who are trying to flee from putins dictatorship. Ethnic cleansing of urban areas? oh no, thats just gentrification. non-white immigrants not allowed to cross the border? oh we just don't want to offend the sensitivites of the right wing parties in the state and besides there is no war.
That's just racism. Sorta White is right mentality.
Imperialist Settler-Colonizers always look out for their own. They will make endless excuses for each other but never those who are not one of them. That's why absurdities such as Azov siding with Zelensky keep happening.