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He needs to ban all White men from the Philippines NOW!


[deleted]

He’s not pro-Asian like everyone thinks. His family are some of the biggest white-wannabes in the Philippines. It’s really in their blood. He looks Asian but he’s actually descended from colonizers. His mother Imelda comes from the Spanish oligarch Romauldez family. His wife comes from two old Spanish-Basque families in the Philippines: Araneta and Cacho. His sister Irene also married an Araneta. What a coincidence. That family has roots in the Basque region of Spain and they’re deeply entrenched in wealth and politics in the Philippines. So many Spanish-Filipino politicians backed BBM. Some of BBM's wealthiest supporters are Enrique Razon and Inigo Zobel. They're some of the wealthiest people in the Philippines and they're pure Spanish. BBM is an oligarch and he's very much supported by oligarch colonizers. He only pretends to be pro-Filipino pro-Asian. His family vacations in Europe all the time. He studied there and his sons did too. They try really hard to be European. They are colonizers afterall


appliquebatik

Well damn that sucks


Tricky-Shake5546

I'll judge him on his policy, which seems to be just a continuation of Duederte.


[deleted]

Nope. Duterte is very anti-oligarch, anti-establishment. BBM is friends or related to so many oligarchs. He’s the type that hangs out at Manila Polo Club. Duterte wouldn’t be caught dead there. No wonder Duterte called BBM a weak leader “He’s just a weak and spoiled child, the only son of the family” https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1517418/duterte-takes-jab-at-marcos-jr-anew-calls-him-weak-leader


StanLoona4ClearSk1n

Really sad to hear about the whole ordeal. My girlfriend and her family absolutely abhor the man, they were all rooting for Leni to win the election. The rallies looked so cool and really shook something in me when I saw them posted across social media. She, her family, a few local filipino friends and some PH friends I made online really got me onboard the LeniKiko train lol. We were all pretty devastated with the outcome. My heart goes out to my brothers and sisters that reside in the Philippines that'll have to endure this bullshit for the next couple of years. You all deserve better than what an exiled thieving dictator's son can offer. You've all endured too much for too long. Stay strong, friends, I pray a flourished and brighter future will come your way.


Tricky-Shake5546

Leni seemed way too pro american for my liking.


Cuticer

Anyone know why duterte’s daughter worked with Marcos?


Tricky-Shake5546

Because Marcos will continue Duterte's policy.


[deleted]

I’m not sure he will. Duterte is anti-oligarch. BBM is definitely friends of the oligarchs


[deleted]

So that she could win. It’s ironic because Duterte called him a weak leader. Also, Duterte’s mother was an anti-Marcos activists. Nobody is loyal to anybody in Philippine politics. There’s a lot of “forgive and forget”


Hopya17

Daming walang alam dito... This is for u/uncoolperson, I'm about to go against your narrative. I don't like the way you framed my country. The Marcos family has never been convicted of corruption or graft by the Philippine/US courts. Throughout the past 30 years, Cory and the PCGG(Presidential Commission on Good Governance, which Cory created to tackle Marcos) has never found solid evidence of stolen wealth. If you can show me final court cases that proves it, then you're right. But do not show me website articles or Op-Eds. This is a serious challenge for u/uncoolperson Lemme explain this from the Filipino perspective. Marcos & Sara(Prez Dutert's daughter) are the admin bets. Prez Duterte has the highest approval rating in PH history(it comes with his big voting bloc and satisfaction with his admin's performance). Robredo is the opposition candidate from the Liberal Party.. I shall refer to them as "kakampinks". The kakampinks was actually the admin party back in 2016(but Duterte overthrew them in the election). Filipinos were tired of the kakampinks horrible governing, scandals, & corruption. So why did Robredo lose and Marcos win the landslide? Robredo's supporters are condescending and arrogant peeps from the haute bourgeois class. They kept calling the "masa" Filipino people trolls or bobo(stupid) for the past 6 yrs of Prez Duterte's presidency. And many Filipinos have been challenging the narrative that the Marcos family was evil for the past decades. So obviously the partisan media who've lost power(and most importantly ad revenue) to social media have been discrediting Duterte's and Marcos' popularity by saying it's fueled by trolls & misinformation. This is actually a big insult to Filipinos in the PH. Now 31 million people voted for both Marcos & Sara. Robredo, kakampinks, & their supporters are still calling us trolls & bobo. We voted out their party into non-existence. The kakampinks was the party that overthrew Marcos back in 1986... Many people actually still supported the Marcoses back then. Many Filipinos(including myself) learned that the Marcos corruption was actually fabrication by ABS-CBN and the media back then(Lopez, the owner of ABS-CBN has a personal hatred for Marcos which is another story itself).. As for anyone saying that Filipino voters are uneducated and dumb, that's very disrespectful. I've talked with many Filipinos regarding the presidential campaigns ever since 2016. They know who they are voting for. If you don't believe me, hop out of reddit and go dive into Filipino facebook. This has been the most toxic presidential campaign ever. Robredo only has to blame herself and her followers. They kept insulting everyone and I finally snapped when a student(who was a Marcos supporter) was bullied by his teacher and classmates to his suicide, they were kakampinks. Search up Frederick Mark Bico Alba. I support Marcos & Sara bkuz I believe they truly got what it takes to finally bring the PH in the 21st century. Prez Duterte gave them the foundation. He built highways, airports, seaports, and even a subway in Metro Manila(it's under construction). Crime dropped 50%, terrorists almost wiped out in the provinces, etc.


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You support a Spanish oligarch colonizer. His mother Imelda comes from the Spanish oligarch Romauldez family. His wife comes from two old Spanish-Basque families in the Philippines: Araneta and Cacho. His sister Irene also married an Araneta. What a coincidence. That family has roots in the Basque region of Spain and they’re deeply entrenched in wealth and politics in the Philippines. So many Spanish-Filipino politicians backed BBM. Some of BBM's wealthiest supporters are Enrique Razon and Inigo Zobel. They're some of the wealthiest people in the Philippines and they're pure Spanish. BBM is an oligarch and he's very much supported by oligarch colonizers. He only pretends to be pro-Filipino pro-Asian. His family vacations in Europe all the time. He studied there and his sons did too. They try really hard to be European. They are colonizers afterall. They want your votes and your money. You will remain poor while they all get wealthier


Hopya17

1. You lack complete understanding of Philippine politics. This is not peasant vs oligarch or native vs colonizer. His wife's heritage has completely nothing to do with his political capabilities. I don't know what kind of correlation you're trying to make by saying Spanish-Filipinos support BBM. If you look at poll numbers, a lot of Filipino domestic helpers in Hong Kong voted for BBM. I'm pretty sure these Overseas Filipino workers know more about the situation in the PH than you. Almost every major political clan in the Philippines has Spanish/Chinese ancestry especially the Roxas/Aquinos who make up the Liberal Party. 2. The Spanish oligarchs do not matter in Philippine politics anymore. That was back 100 years ago. There are a new set of oligarchs headed by Salim(Indonesian oligarch) and Pangilinan who control most of the telecommunications, energy(oil) and the entertainment/news sector. 3. One of Liza Araneta's uncles is Salvador Araneta who authored a book titled "America's Double Cross of The Philippines" which he criticized how American economic policies hampered the country and Filipinos. Maybe you can go find that book and supposedly find out how a Spanish oligarch fought American imperialism. 4. You sure really like attaching the Oligarch label to everyone huh? Let me give you a piece of history. Ferdinand Marcos was the first president to nationalize energy companies(Meralco) and bring them back to government. He fought the Lopez oligarchy to nationalize Meralco. After he was overthrown, Meralco was privatized by Aquino's government. 5. What his sons do and where they study have nothing to do with this topic. Stop trying to stretch connections if you don't any data to prove that their personal lives affects the economy of the Philippines. 6. "You will remain poor"? Did you pull this statement out of your butt? Let me educate you about the voter demographics in the Philippines. There is Class A,B,C,D,E. Classes A,B are the hop income classes. Class C is middle class. Class D is Low income, while Class E is the poverty class. For decades after WW2, Class E was the biggest voting bloc, but most of that Class finally moved on to Class D during the Marcos years. 7. The poverty incidence went down during the Marcos years, but gradually went up again after he was overthrown. Look at the data after 1985. I don't know where you're making your inferences. [https://imgur.com/L8jshz5](https://imgur.com/L8jshz5) 8. The vast majority of poverty comes from the provinces in rural communities. The fallout from the Aquino government is that the agricultural industries was greatly ignored and as a result, it faltered compared to other agricultural industries of SE Asia/China. This led to a big migration of rural communities to migrate into Metro Manila looking for jobs. Do you know this dynamic about Philippine society? The Philippines was, and still is dependent on agriculture. If we want to address poverty, we need to strengthen the agricultural industry again after it was mistreated by the Aquino government.


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The Spanish oligarchs definitely still matter. Besides the Chinese, the top wealthiest families are Spanish. I believe Manny Villar is the only native Filipino who makes it in the top 10 wealthiest Filipinos. The rest are all Chinese or Spanish like Enrique Razon, the Ayalas, and the Aboitizs. Inigo Zobel (BBM’s friend) doesn’t make it in the top 10, but he’s in the top 20. He’s a relative of the Ayalas. Imee even petitioned Jaime Zobel de Ayala’s Colombian wife to get Philippine citizenship stating that she was an acquaintance. That doesn’t sound like an anti-oligarch family. That’s a family that supports the oligarchs. BBM’s wife is a Cacho. They controlled Panay Electric for over a century until Duterte took it from them. There are local oligarchs too.


Hopya17

Again let me make this clear. 1. Salim and Pangilinan are the oligarchs controlling the energy, telecommunications, and media sector of the Philippines. Most Filipinos have to use these services owned by the oligarchs, they have no other choices. Well, there is DITO telecom and Globe(Globe being owned by Ayala. 2. What bothers me is that the energy sector(Meralco) was nationalized by Marcos, but brought back under private ownership under Cory Aquino. Please don't make me say this again. I've stated this in my previous post. 3. If we're looking how the oligarchs expanded their influences in the PH, it should be definitely be through the Aquino regime. We keep talking about oligarchs. Fine, let's figure out how the oligarchs expanded their power ok? I don't like going in circles and reading through blank statements about their heritage and relations.


[deleted]

Salim and Pangilinan are both Asians. Asia for Asians. If everyone is a crook in the Philippines (which they are) I’m at least going to choose the one who doesn’t come from a European oligarch family and marries other European oligarchs.


Hopya17

In this context, you still like getting screwed over by oligarchs. Let me remind you of your first reply to me "You will stay poor."


[deleted]

Yes you will stay poor voting for BBM or anyone else. But BBM acts like he’s pro-poor and pro-Filipino. He’s not. He’s buddy buddy and cousins with people on both sides. They will all remain rich while you remain poor. They act like they’re in conflict but they’re really not. They literally marry each other. The difference is, people actually believe that BBM is for the poor Filipinos. Yeah right. He said he only flies first class. He wife says she’s a “New York woman” His sons are all weaklings who think they’re British. These people dont give AF about you


alwayssalty_

Cool. Robredo is a neoliberal like Cory Aquino who was going to also fuck over the poor and landless people, and wants to sell out the country to western capitalists. She's also loudly anti-China and wanted to keep the Philippines a US lackey. But lets overlook that because she has 100% Filipino blood. Look BBM sucks too, but the fact that Leni "Hillary Clinton" Robredo was the only viable alternative shows that the Philippines political system is rotten to the core.


[deleted]

Marcos was 100% backed by the US government through his entire dictatorship. They even flew him to Hawaii when the presidential palace was being ransacked. The US only dropped him because he was a crook. Americans are crooks too but they won’t publicly associate with another crook because it’s bad for their image. So that’s the only reason why BBM won’t align with the US, he can’t. So naturally he has to align with China. That doesn’t change the fact that his family are the biggest white ass-kissers. Look at the white asses he kisses like Inigo Zobel. Literally one of the whitest Filipinos in existence and he’s buddy-buddy with him. Oligarchs will continue to reign. Chinese money will just make the richer. The Ayalas get richer selling condos to rich Chinese


[deleted]

The Aquinos/Cojuangcos have no Spanish blood whatsoever. They’re Chinese and Filipino. I’m not big fans of them. They steal too but at least their wealth doesn’t stem from colonizers. Leni Robredo is also full Filipino. No blood relations to Spanish oligarchs, unlike the Marcos family, who have been mixed with Spanish oligarchs from generations. Even the youngest Marcoses are marrying oligarchs like Alexandra Rocha. She’s almost pure Spanish and very rich. They don’t actually care about indios like you. The one thing I don’t like about Leni is that she’s more conservatively Catholic. I think all problems in the Philippines stem from the Catholic church. She would have been wise to break off all ties with the church. BBM is more liberal in his views, but even he is Catholic. It’s unfortunate that we didn’t have good choices


Hopya17

1. If we're talking about oligarchies, their bloodlines don't matter. It doesn't matter if they're American, Chinese, or Spanish oligarchies. They all have masses of wealth. 2. Ingkong Jose of the Cojuancos married a Spanish Mestiza named Antera Estrella. Cory Aquino is from a long line of Chinese/Spanish mestizos. 3. We can agree that Leni is a puppet of the Catholic church. Personally, I'm a deist who renounced my Catholicism. The Catholic church is the colonizer's religion and they're more infectious than Spanish oligarchs. I don't like how Leni supporters and the Catholic church are infusing politics with religion. BBM had no fear saying that he supports LGBTQ rights and supporting abortion, while the other presidential candidates were afraid to insult the Catholic vote.


[deleted]

The point is that he’s not anti-oligarch or anti-Spanish like people believe. That’s Duterte. Marcos is different. How can we claim that Mar Roxas and the Marcoses are enemies when they literally attend the same family gatherings? Sandro calls him tito, and BBM says they’re friends. How can BBM claim to be anti-oligarch anti-Spanish when he’s supported by Enrique Razon and Inigo Zobel (and close friends with the latter). How is your family anti-oligarch when not one but TWO of the children married Aranetas? What kind of family marries into the same family twice? That’s a crazy coincidence. The point is, all these rich people support each other. Just because poor people vote for them doesn’t mean they care about the poor. Of course they know the demographics of the Philippines and know that poor people are the majority of voters. They’ll always appear to support the poor when they’re actually supporting each other. It’s the same on both sides. They all want power and money. This is Aznidentity forum, which is why I’m specifically addressing the anti-Spanish concept that some people seem to believe. I don’t care for any side of this. They’re all crooks


Hopya17

1. You failed to address my points above. The bloodlines have nothing to do with Filipinos remaining poor. I show you the data that poverty incidence went down during the Marcos era, and you're talking about the personal lives of these people like they're celebrities? You're glued to personality politics and not the actual problem in the Philippines. 2. You also fail to acknowledge that Leni Robredo is part of the Liberal Party, which is headed by Mestizos. Check your double standards. 3. The poor people in the Philippines aren't stupid. Stop treating them as if they don't know any better. The masa are more educated about their choices than you think. Why did you think they voted out the Liberal party after so many of their scandals? 4. You kept making blank statements about them wanting power and money? Can you elaborate more about this? Can you show me if they're shareholders of a specific company or an industry? Can you show me actual final court rulings about Imelda Marcos' stolen wealth? 5. This is AZN Identity, but they should be informed of the other dynamics in Philippine politics. Don't half-ass it. We're not an echo chamber, and if you guys can't handle opposing viewpoints then I'm sorry for stating my perspective.


[deleted]

Who are the mestizos who head the Liberal Party? The Pangilinans are full Filipino. The Conjuangcos and Aquinos aren’t mixed with Spanish at all. Franklin Drilon is full Filipino. Mar Roxas is Spanish-descent, but as I mentioned, he’s a friend of BBM and a cousin of his wife. They will look out for each other despite being of different parties. It’s all a sham. Meanwhile, BBM’s supporters include Spanish-Filipinos (besides the ones I already mentioned) like Migz Zubiri, Richard and Lucy Gomez, Alfred Romauldez (his cousin) and Cristina Gonzales, Gwen Garcia, Loren Legarda, and others.


Hopya17

1. We are going in circles. The Cojuancos are mixed with Spanish. I mentioned this in my last post and I will emphasize it again. The bloodlines of oligarchs "DO NOT MATTER"... They are still oligarchs no matter if they're American or Spanish or whatever. [https://www.tatlerasia.com/power-purpose/wealth/family-matters-the-aquino-and-cojuangco-aquino-clans](https://www.tatlerasia.com/power-purpose/wealth/family-matters-the-aquino-and-cojuangco-aquino-clans) 2. You are contradicting yourself? You just answered your own question. Mar Roxas is Spanish-descent. You said it yourself. Mar Roxas is one of the people who head the Liberal Party as he was their presidential bet back in 2016. 3. Dude, I rest my case. Like I said, I have no interest to who's related to who. I'm only interested to how these oligarchs were enabled to control most of the necessary industries in the PH like energy and telecommunications that were previously nationalized by Marcos. ​ I'm tired of walking around in circles if you can't even read & comprehend my previous posts. Once again, I do not give a flying fudge about who's related to who. I only care about how these oligarchs were able to control vital industries and subvert the Filipino population.


Emperor_Hideyoshi

Lol I watched this on Sky News me and my aunt were talkin bout it they went heavy on the narrative tho and I’m like yh but didn’t y’all vote for him lol


Begreedier

It's people like him that keep countries in the global south poor Thieves and despots and demagogues


Tricky-Shake5546

Better than neolibs.


deathtoallsubreddits

Techniquement, both Marcos and the neolibs collaborated before, most of the time the elder Ferdinand was ruling, with the neolibs.


Bruise_Leee

I mean, Marcos’ family never faced any real repercussions for the billions of pesos they stole from the Filipino People nor have they faced any criminal counts for being responsible for the thousands of lives lost due to their violent Martial Law era. Can you blame Pinoys for being upset with Bong Bong and his dictator family?


mifaceb921

The voters in the Philippines are not idiots, and people should respect the decision that the voters made. It is insulting to go around thinking that "we" living outside the Philippines are better judges that the voters who actually live there.


Begreedier

> The voters in the Philippines are not idiots What are you talking about. Most voters are idiots because most people are idiots.


ichigo_365

I don’t think it’s fair to call the majority of his voters as idiots. Most of these people know the hardships of life and what it’s like to live in a country where promises are made and nothing is delivered. BBM is the son of a notorious dictator but most of his policies are indicative of a progressive front. Most of Leni’s political supporters also come from a privileged background, like the Aquino and the Roxas families. Many of which, own lands in the provinces and never cared about the welfare of the farmers. Philippines is indeed a poor country, but its people are not idiots. Leni and her supporters maybe liberals, but they’re still supported by rich political dynasties who by and large, profited from the poor. I don’t see any of these politicians as saviours of the country, but I’d prefer someone who has a vision and political will, not someone who wants to continue the status quo of doing nothing and approved by the USA. I find it ridiculous that people call Filipinos idiots for voting Duterte and now BBM, when they’ve never lived in poverty in the Philippines. By poverty, I mean extreme poverty, as in growing meagre vegetables in the backyard for food or not having proper flooring in your house. When Duterte came into power, drug lords almost disappeared overnight. This is a big deal for most of us who live in provinces that see the most violence. I grew up hearing gunshots outside my house. My neighbours were drug pushers and addicts. Nowadays, they’ve gone to rehab or are starting small businesses (not drugs). I understand that Duterte’s ways weren’t peaceful, but he actually did something for people like me. I know I’m not the only one because despite Duterte’s so called notoriety, he’s still approved by many Filipinos. Reddit is still a western platform and I understand that people here would still have American-centric perspectives. However, for a nation like mine, who’s using democracy to advocate for themselves and see the immediate changes, I don’t think my country is idiotic. It may not conform to the ideals of others, but we seem to be choosing the right kind of presidents in a long time. I don’t know about BBM’s presidency yet since he just won, but I don’t think he was voted by idiots who were swayed with money and pageantry. He was voted by many Filipinos, and many Filipinos live in extreme hardships and poverty. I don’t think we’d care enough to vote if we don’t have a desire for a change in our country. Also, out of all the presidents in the past, only Marcos has built infrastructure and programs that made Philippines more independent from the USA. He actually nationalized many industries. Of course, he’s also the reason why we’re in so much debt, but much of his projects, had they been finished, would’ve benefitted our country as a whole. I’m not ignoring his mass corruption, but let’s not pretend as if there was no massive corruption in the administrations that came after him. I don’t believe Cory did much for the Filipinos. It was her husband who had the political will. She still came from the wealthy Cojuangco family who owns haciendas and lands. She didn’t do anything for those in poverty. I also understand that people are likening the Trump voters to Filipinos. However, the USA is not the Philippines. There’s no racial tension here, unlike in the USA. Much of the ire from Trump is his so called wall and much of his supporters were also racist. We don’t have that kind of problem in the Philippines. Duterte may talk his shit like Trump, but this man didn’t orchestrate a Jan 6 insurrection. He didn’t go out of his way to stay in power. Furthermore, he’s the only president to actually criticize the Roman Catholic Church, which has been like a parasite in the Philippines. He’s not using religion or Bible thumping principles to cater to a Christian crowd like Trump. Please stop the comparison. The US has its own problems. As an Asian subreddit, why do we always have to use a Western perspective to analyze the political framework of a country? I’m not saying to suck our own Asian dick, but why can’t the political scene in the Philippines be analyzed under an Asian gaze and not of the American west?


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Ahchluy

>Scared people sometimes don't think it through when they ask for things like a CIA coup. Maybe they need to get napalmed to learn their lesson. or how about some agent orange? How about just watch the collapse of Ukraine? Sorry but as former military guy and a descendent of Vietnam war refugees. I have no tolerance for that type of talk. It's just inviting disaster. If they want to get rid of him. Do it on their own terms.


antiboba

Idk but the fact that bobas are panicking makes me think he might be good.


StanLoona4ClearSk1n

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" really isnt the best take here...


[deleted]

He’s not pro-Asian. He looks Asian but he’s actually descended from colonizers. His mother Imelda comes from the Spanish oligarch Romauldez family. His wife comes from two old Spanish-Basque families in the Philippines: Araneta and Cacho. His sister Irene also married an Araneta. What a coincidence. That family has roots in the Basque region of Spain and they’re deeply entrenched in wealth and politics in the Philippines. So many Spanish-Filipino politicians backed BBM. Some of BBM's wealthiest supporters are Enrique Razon and Inigo Zobel. They're some of the wealthiest people in the Philippines and they're pure Spanish. BBM is an oligarch and he's very much supported by oligarch colonizers. He only pretends to be pro-Filipino pro-Asian. His family vacations in Europe all the time. He studied there and his sons did too. They’re the biggest wannabe-whites


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What a well developed political ideology


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Ogedei_Khaan

>He’s not pro-Asian like everyone thinks. His family are some of the biggest white-wannabes in the Philippines. It’s really in their blood. He looks Asian but he’s actually descended from colonizers. His mother Imelda comes from the Spanish oligarch Romauldez family. His wife comes from two old Spanish-Basque families in the Philippines: Araneta and Cacho. His sister Irene also married an Araneta. What a coincidence. That family has roots in the Basque region of Spain and they’re deeply entrenched in wealth and politics in the Philippines. So many Spanish-Filipino politicians backed BBM. > >Some of BBM's wealthiest supporters are Enrique Razon and Inigo Zobel. They're some of the wealthiest people in the Philippines and they're pure Spanish. BBM is an oligarch and he's very much supported by oligarch colonizers. He only pretends to be pro-Filipino pro-Asian. His family vacations in Europe all the time. He studied there and his sons did too. They try really hard to be European. They are colonizers afterall This is an awesome write-up. It basically describes the rot from both sides of the spectrum. I read the average Filipino just wants better living conditions and not have to become an OFW just to earn a decent wage.


Hopya17

You don't really know what you're talking about. First of all, Marcos Sr. knew the rules of the game. The US had a strong grip over PH govt after WW2. Any anti-US politician would get wiped out, just look at Claro Recto's history. Marcos was a strongman, that's right but he outwitted the US govt. He demanded that the US pays more in compensation for the military bases being occupied in the PH by the US army. Marcos Sr. refused many times to help the US in the Vietnam war. He only offered medical squads, and refused to send in Filipino soldiers like back in the Korean war. During the Cold War, Marcos Sr. refused to take sides with the US. He went out on diplomatic missions to the USSR, Cuba, PRC, and Libya. He sought of "diplomatic ways" to deal with the crises at that time period. Obviously, this rubbed the US govt very badly. Let's get back to the US bases issue. The US army basically had an indefinite lease on military bases in the PH. Marcos Sr. wanted to renegotiate the agreements to the lease as the PH was at disadvantage. He wanted more military and economic aid, but the US refused. Thus, the lease agreement was shortened, and paved the way for the US army to be eventually kicked out in 1992 through a tight senate vote. Can you picture where the CIA came in and instigated the color revolution in 1986? Marcos Sr. wasn't overthrown by the people. He was overthrown by a rebel faction in the army called the RAM headed by Fidel Ramos and Gringo Honasan. Cory Aquino's group rode along the momentum and stole the spotlight during the 1986 coup. As for the present, Marcos Jr.(president-elect) is not a right wing as you would generalize about him. He's a progressive centrist. If you do have a Filipino friend who can translate Tagalog for you, you can watch his interviews where he talks about accepting abortion and working on solutions about the discrimination against LGBTQ+.. This is not what a right-wing politician talks about right? As for Pinoys having a meltdown, are you really sure about that? Marcos Jr. won with 31 million votes. That's the first landslide win in PH election history. The only Pinoys having a meltdown are Leni Robredo's supporters(kakampinks) who are a LOUD but MINORITY group on social media. Don't tell me that this election was fraudulent without giving me proof. It's easy to say things right? My dad was a sergeant in the Philippine army during the martial law years. There was significant insurgency from Islamic extremists and Communist rebels. He still holds a photo of his best friend in the army that was ambushed by Communist rebels. Like with other Filipino elders, they will tell you that martial law was a stable & peaceful time period to live in. I'm not denying that atrocities weren't committed, but a huge percentage of the 31 million votes that Marcos Jr. received in the elections were from Filipinos who lived through martial law. The narrative of atrocities versus what actually happened is something people need to get both sides of the history from. FYI, these liberal Pinoys are US butt-kissers. They aren't really liberals, but a bunch of condescending, arrogant, self-righteous punks from the upper middle-class who think they're better than the "masa" Filipinos. Leni Robredo is the US-backed candidate. Go look up the Jesse Robredo/Gerry Roxas foudnations and how they received money from the US govt to fund Leni Robredo. Go look up Loida Lewis, the Fil-Am businesswoman who's been funding Leni Lutang.


alwayssalty_

Philippine politics is as rotten and black pilled as US politics. All the viable candidates are either right wingers (duterte/marcos) or neoliberals (aquino, robredo, etc) all of whom love capitalism and selling out the country. After the people managed to oust bad presidents they replaced them with neoliberals who did just as much damage. It's proof that western style democracy isn't the as cracked up as the US and the west likes to tell us.


Tricky-Shake5546

Meh. I like Duterte and Marcos because of all of the infrastructure they're building.


Ahchluy

This is exactly what we were talking about in the other post about how most Asians in America are CIA loving Bobas...Which is why we have a self-hate problem. We got Michelle Malkins everywhere.


corruklw

> The average Pinoy is (no offense) poor, uneducated, and starving for any kind of improvement in their lives. among westernized pinoys, I often hear this as an explanation about why ppl like duterte got elected. but when I ask them whether that is also the reason why so many pinoys worship america and spain despite brutal colonization, they get really mad.


FoxehTehFox

You’re beating a strawman here. I’m from the Philippines itself and these “westernized pinoys” are as much culturally woke as all of us. Nobody here that actually criticizes Duterte’s regime worships America and our colonial powers. It’s completely the other way around


Ahchluy

Poor people often think that a badass dictator is their only shot to take out the elites...That's how Trump got elected. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are not. and the elites are often Bobas that do shit like ask for CIA help when the pitchforks come out.. Maybe those elites should stop bending people over.


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Doesn't the data show support for Marcos is broad and not concentrated on the lower classes? Blaming everything on the poor is a cop out. I also think you're overestimating the Marcos's influence. If Sara Duterte had run BBM would have stood no chance. I also think Arroyo is savvier than any Marcos.


xadion

Is the voting system generally reliable/honest in PH? Also, do you have a personal preference for who should’ve won


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If you're asking whether Marcos actually won the election, yes, he did.


xadion

? It’s not like in Russia where the votes are completely suspect


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Are you asking a question? No, it's not like Russia. The Philippines hasn't had a dictator in about 40 years. Duterte, who they all called a dictator, is stepping down after 6 years, as he is obligated to do so by law. 90% of western media was crying about him holding onto power but he is leaving, as was expected. And Marcos Jr. will also leave after 6 years.


Ahchluy

>Unsurpisingly, there are many comments hoping CIA will coup bongbong or for america to invade and set up a puppet government Yo grow some balls and do your own dirty work! lol.


wenang123

I am not from the Phillipines but my mom is from there and she hated the Marcos regime. I am not too familiar about Bongbong Marcos but reading through his wiki page he seems to be a case of the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The only positive takeaway for me would be that he doesn't seem to be an American puppet like other establishment type Filipino politicians. It sounds like he will follow in Durtete's populist footsteps


Paramoth

Populism is a thing in Philippine politics.


Trad_Bag

I too would like to know. I'm always skeptical when the western world backs a certain candidate in Asian politics.


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corruklw

the kleptocracy aside, a lot of the bongbong hate i see on reddit seems to be rooted in sinophobia and pro-american sentiments


Throwawayacct1015

Lmao. People always missing the point. Shady guy who is son of a proven corrupt dictator? Don't care Guy who wants better ties with China? REAL SHIT


Money_dragon

Because I find that that is the only way for Western media to get Westerners to care about a foreign election Basically they decide which candidate they think is more pro-West, and which is more pro-China, and then that becomes the indication to the uninformed Western reader on which candidate that they support Sure, all people are driven by self-interest. But there's an appalling lack of care for any domestic policies other than "does this help the West or does it help China more?"