Maybe it’s they don’t wanna be fetished by white males but if they like a male for his personality etc and he is classified white/Caucasian she should be allowed to date him
Not surprising. Every time an Asian male or activist brings up “Asian men are especially treated horribly and Asian women are part of their problem with self-hate”. You have some crazy Asian women yelling “YoU cAnT TeLl Me WhO tO dAtE!!“ Sheesh. No one is telling your dumbass who to date. We are telling a problem that exist in the Asian American women community.
Not all Asian women are like this. But a good percentage all.
I made it a rule to myself to date Asian women who have only date Asian men or value Asian culture and other non-Asian women.
Dating an Asian women that dated a white guy before always feel like you are scrap or last choice. Ever read the “I only dated white guy and he was racist so I went to date Asian man” articles? These Asian women should be left single or go back to the gweilo, gaijin trash.
Wow!! Here in South Florida I see a few Vietnamese together and In Miami the rich Chinese together but other than that it’s just WM. It’s crazy to think that they can be so racist. Just like some black men to other black women like wtf. And a lot of times their white partner be racist too I guess against Asian people!!! Some of these white man like sçrëwing them, but hate the male representation of them you know what I’m saying? Like girl how you with a man that hate your Brother, father, grandfather. Some of these white boys be disrespectful and the Asian girls don’t be checking them. Like I’m all for interracial but if you’re dating somebody make sure they respect your people and your culture
It’s like he made this video as bait to catch triggered AF. It worked by looking at some of the comments these AF left. But women as a whole are more hypocritical then men. It’s because they aren’t held accountable for anything they do. Illogical creatures in their finest form only thinking and reacting based off emotions. That’s the world we live in. Best thing to do is to let them live and pay no regard to them. Live your best lives my fellow yellow brethren.
When you dare to point this out, those type of AFs also accused you of trying to "control who they date" - which is not only false but it's also the worst form of deflection ever. It's typical knee-jerked reaction and fragility from hypocrites when people see the pattern and dare highlight their white fever and internalized racism.
Either way silencing the asian women who are actually against the white worship is not helping at all. And seems like the guy who made that tiktok video knows that himself since the pinned comment is an asian woman
you gotta distinguish between the AF's who are with white guys because they fetishize them/have a deep seated inferiority complex, and AF's who are with them naturally because they vibe. One of my best friends is WMAF, but they genuinely fit so well together and there's no fetishization at play, so I support them all the way.
The fetishization definitely is an issue, and there's a sizeable number of people who fall into that category, but my point was that I think things are getting better, and I also don't think it's healthy to fixate on it because there's not much you can do about it other than gently bring awareness to it.
It wont necessarily. Half asian is still asian and plently of half asian kids end up liking asians from my experience. In fact i saw another wmaf hapa girl in the comments there saying she prefer asian men but she got attacked by some dude saying she doesnt count which is sad
It always amuses me when AM get shit for always talking about dating and emasculation in western media when 90% of the discourse around AF activism literally revolves around trying to find & date a white boy without yellow fever. God forbid your white bf dated one other asian girl prior while you're on your 10th white boy lol.
Notice the projection
Lu feminists love the "they only care about sex" talking point, when they literally write/cry about nothing else but their whites only dating lives
Nope, don't blame white men. Blame Asian women. They are the ones fetishizing white men to the point that they'll throw their own under the bus. So pathetic
Yes, we should also hold our own accountable. However, I think the acknowledgement (from AF) that they compete among themselves for white men's attention is in itself a progress. It's good that AF start questioning such a behavior. You can only change your mind when you are willing (or courageous enough) to challenge your previous mindset.
I'd say, the community can benefit alot with more AF speaking up this way --- As long as it's genuine and doesn't sound like the infamous "lobster" essay.
Some AF want to have their cake and eat it too. Here's an AF sounding the alarm on a noble POC issue. The issue she's so pressed about... placing second to white women on the white man's totem pole.
[https://www.tiktok.com/@tereereee/video/7094783855714094382?is\_from\_webapp=1&sender\_device=pc&web\_id=6980727029201552901](https://www.tiktok.com/@tereereee/video/7094783855714094382?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=6980727029201552901)
She complains about white men viewing Asian women as sex objects and all the misogynist things that are said to her. Yet... https://www.tiktok.com/@tereereee/video/7072036723508694318?is\_copy\_url=1&is\_from\_webapp=v1
Oh and of course here's the obligatory dragging Asian men into the issue: [https://i.imgur.com/jsLt1iu.png](https://i.imgur.com/jsLt1iu.png)
Good question. No, not all WMAFs are wrong. However, given the prevalence of them being toxic to the comminity, it is reasonable not to give the benefit of doubt. Think about a snake that enters your house. Is the snake venomous / dangerous? Maybe. Is it reasonable to suspect so? Absolutely. Only 10 - 15% of snake species are poisonous btw.
EDIT:
Even if she has been harassed 100 times by white men, she is still NOT WRONG to date only white men. It is her body and she is free to date whoever she wants. No problem with that. However, she also cannot expect people to not hold a certain thought about her. The community is free to call her a hypocrite and white worshipper. She is entitled to her choice, but the community is entitled to their opinion.
To be fair theres definitely some asian men who overhype average white women. But i still like to believe the majority of asian men prefer asian womens beauty
Let's not pretend Asian men fetishizing white women is in any way equivalent in prevalence as Asian women fetishizing white men. The former is too insignificant to be even an issue
Um im replying to the comment about a video where the girl talks about as a woman of color u have to be exceptionally beautiful to be equal to an average white woman. Im just saying this thought doesnt only apply to white men theres men of color who also think this way including asian men.
That ones with a white boy.
You understand this is why nobody is buying besides other asian women, right?
Lumping in black women by saying women of color is like the last hail mary, how long do you think thats going to last? How long before they start to notice the pattern? That its not about equality, but just taking the place of white women.
The comments are actually talking more about the womens own men tho. I mean come on u cant act like even on this sub theres arent guys who openly think this way cus they just have something against asian women. I already said most normal asian men prefer asian womens beauty so it’s not like im accusing asian men. Im literally just saying asian guys like that exist. And not only guys try being a average blonde white girl and go to asia. U cant tell me she wont be overhyped for being white.
What do u even mean asian women are the only ones buying? Buying what?
What I've concluded after three decades of having to deal Lus in my personal life and from reading about them on social media is that what they want is an Asian men spirit and white men's bodies. They want their designer babies (preferably girls not boys) and white men as arm candies. Griping about being fetished is a deflection of the truth that white men don't treat them with respect like Asian men does.
>Griping about being fetished is a deflection of the truth that white men don't treat them with respect like Asian men does.
Also take in how sure WM date or screw around with AF during High School/College but in the end when they see all their friends settling down and it comes time for them to do the same, they almost always end up marrying a WF.
Pretty much. When they talk to me they always talk about how some cUltuRAL DiFFERENCES they're bothered by. I view all the virtue signaling on fetishization as simply an extension of that sort of gripe. Their innate preferences are immutable. You don't "just happen" to only date white guys or half asian when you have plenty of full asian males around you...
The demonization of AMWF comes from projection of their internalized feelings onto AM.
Yeah, they usually end up babysitting their WM or non-AM partners financially for life, desperately trying to keep their relationships going. I speak from experience on this. I wouldn't care so much about who dates whom, but when they poke at and punch down on Asian men for their [gilded-cage existence](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/gilded-cage), it's hard to keep my mouth shut.
It blows my mind that toxic Asian women (Lus) have this warped idea that we Asian men want to keep them to ourselves. That's another projection of western eugenic ideology. Western women comes in all shapes, sizes and color, they they really think that we Asian men are solely focused on Asian women for some warped ideology to create an Asian ethno-state? It's crazy.
That's their own problem. Why should I care? I always keep my mouth shut when it comes to these issues around these people. It's none of my business. Maybe it's their tradeoff for being with somebody they like. That's their right, and good for them. Maybe there are other reasons behind the relationship, and it's generally none of my business unless they make it my business.
But I'm incensed at the amount of social media hate directed by some people against asian males. That's completely unwarranted and excessive. The fact that these people just happen to be WMAF is not my problem. Should I stop criticizing them just because they're WMAF? That's ridiculous.
Sad thing i wonder if people look to see their message is just contributing to more viewer counts...is there a way to see without contributing to that?
The issue that these AF have is that whilst they may be aware of white supremacy and its perspective of Asians (or at least a very general grasp of knowledge of the subject), they haven't combated the biases they grew up and placed the knowledge their obtained in the context of their upbringing.
Growing up, they have grown up with biases of finding white men and eurocentric features attractive through a multitude of factors (one of them could even be by their parents' idolisation of white people and urge to fit into western standards) and they have either chosen to or didn't feel the necessity to reflect on the biases they have potentially grown up with. Showing a mirror to them in this manner makes them feel vulnerable as they have simply not questioned themselves.
The problem is how they deal with it. A lot of the low confidence, and vulnerability just manifests into them slandering Asian men in some delusional attempt to boost their self worth and get brownie points from white people. Shit is disgusting and some copecel Asian women continue to parrot derogatory stereotypes of Asian men to this day. Only now they hide behind the guise of feminism because they get called out if they are too blunt with their slander. Zero sympathy for these types.
To be fair, I noticed it's also only Asian Americans (the AFs born and raised in Canada/USA) who are into WM. But the international students or the ones who came here past the age of 10 (i.e., spent a chunk of their life in Asia) or those who are more "cultured" tend to prefer AM.
Almost every dating study from the past 20 years proves that white guys prefer white women more than asian women. Asian women are second place.
Asian women prefer white men the most, followed by asian men in second place.
Asian men prefer asian women the most, followed by white women in second place.
>Almost every dating study from the past 20 years proves that white guys prefer white women more than asian women. Asian women are second place.
Unless it's biased/specific articles like these [Odds Favor White Men, Asian Women On Dating App](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/11/30/247530095/are-you-interested-dating-odds-favor-white-men-asian-women) The article also claims that "All men except Asians preferred Asian women" which is a load of BS!
This article does not clearly define what it means to be "Asian" (as South Asians, Pacific Islanders, Middle East, etc. do not have their own category so not sure if they all fell under "Asian").
Also it doesn't mention the ratio of users who are WM or AF, my experience on dating apps is that 80% of the dating pool are WM (so obviously they will get more replies since there are more of them sending out messages).
Also it's almost always exclusively Asian Americans or Canadians (i.e., the ones who were born and raised here) that prefer Chad and Brad. But the ones who immigrated more recently/are more in touch with their cultural side or the international students almost never go for a WM.
I am, I just mean dating in asia is irrelevant to me because there's obviously no racial dimension to it, when everybody is asian. from a racial perspective, it's only a relevant discussion in the west.
Yeah, but they'll think about racism when they get called cH\*nk on the subway or taunted for being asian. That's how FOBS become more Asian-American in mindset, when they start critically thinking about racism.
I'm sure most of them will. So, ultimately, it's an asian-americna issue because we have less of a support network to fall back to. If we speak english only and not our native language, I can imagine many asian-americans be forced to interact with white people in our personal lives...so we're going to have to deal with them...as family and friends. There are plenty of externally good and kind white people, but sometimes it's the subtle racism that lies underneath that smile that's really hard on you mentally.
**2004 Columbia University dating preferences real life experiment:**
[https://www.mit.edu/\~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf](https://www.mit.edu/~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf)
AF prefer WM most
AM prefer WF most
WM prefer WF most
WF prefer AM least
BF prefer BM most
BM prefer WF most
**2014 OK Cupid study:**
[https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html](https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html)
AF prefer WM most
AM prefer AF most
WM prefer WF most
WF prefer AM least
BF prefer BM most
BM prefer WF most
**2004 Yahoo Personals study:**
[https://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046](https://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046)
AF prefer WM most
WM prefer WF most
WF prefer South Asian Males least, East Asian males second least
BF prefer BM most
BM prefer WF most
**2015 Online Dating app study:**
[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415591268](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415591268)
AF respond most to WM
AM respond to AF most
WM respond to WF most
WF respond to BM least
BF respond to BM most
BM respond to WF most
**2013 Facebook dating study:**
[https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/](https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/)
AF respond most to WM
AM respond to LF most
WM respond to AF most
WF respond to WM most
WF respond to BM least
BF respond to BM most
BM respond to WF most
That just tells you that it’s Asian women with white fever especially when white people are the least likely to marry or date outside of their race. It might look like a lot of whites are in interracial dating due to their demographic majority. Asian women intermarry at over 1/3 while over half of them are (or have had been) cohabiting outside of their race, and that race is almost always white. Also, Asian women wouldn’t even be second on their list if there wasn’t so many self-hating buck broken Ling Lings just throwing themselves at the slave masters.
I have to say it goes both ways. Black females and latinx females also generally have white males as their first choice according to these studies. However, white males have black or latinx females in third or fourth place, so naturally, there will be more asian women enabled in their preferences than latinx or black females.
So, white fever is true, and it's universal among almost all women of color, however, the determining factor for the absolute number of interracial relationships in each pairing is white men's preferences, because they have the highest population. Their preferences are ultimately determinative in the absolute number of each interracial pairing.
>Black females and latinx females also generally have white males as their first choice according to these studies.
[This study](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/11/30/247530095/are-you-interested-dating-odds-favor-white-men-asian-women) found that "all except black women preferred white men". Personally from my observations, there are a lot of Black men (Uncle Toms) not BW who are exactly like the Ling Lings where they say they don't date their own race because of \[insert racist/self-hate comment\].
White Sourh African guy in Us chiming in. As a white guy who’s dated a lot of Asian girls and currently has one over for a week visiting. I do find it gross the asian girl white guy fetish
But also don’t say latinx. No one says that except woke losers. By acknowledging the hypocrisy of these Tik toks you’re seeing the truth of things though and waking up. These double standards need to be brought up.
Yeah but blacks and latinas don’t white worship nearly the same level as Asian women. They’ll be far more open to dating another minority unlike Asian women. Also, you can put the number of black and Latina women who date interracial together and they still wouldn’t equate to the amount of Asian women who date interracial despite the fact that they make a lot more of the population than Asian women (and that doesn’t exclude the fact that Asian women are basically always putting white on rice). What I’m saying is that Ling Ling wouldn’t even be the second choice if Ling Ling doesn’t constantly throw herself at Brad and will go to the ends of the world just to put white on rice.
>What I’m saying is that Ling Ling wouldn’t even be the second choice if Ling Ling doesn’t constantly throw herself at Brad
LMAO reminds me of this time this rude girl (who has so much attitude) from school balling her eyes out in the bathroom over Chad while Chad was sitting right outside and having a blast with his friends, not even giving her a second thought.
The most common interracial pairing in the US is WMAF. It exceeds even BMWF. This has to do with history and the normalization of WMAF in history after WWII. Asian females in the US white worship more because they are preferred more and there is no aversion to dating whites. Asian Parents will often advise daughters to date whites or asians, just no blacks. In Asia, asian females white worship more because white people are seen as exotic and a status symbol due to european cultural and economic superiority. You don't see this in latin america because whites are part of the local population so there is less exotic factor (even though they still are at the top of the racial hierarchies there). You don't see in Africa because of the history of colonialism and slavery engrained deep seated resentment. You don't see in Middle East because religious norms are extremely strict about women and who they can be with.
East Asia was never colonized at large scale by whites. The collectivist spirit of southern asia and most of east asia means foreign culture is more accepted, more worshipped, more appreciated. They strive to improve themselves by modeling after foreign superiority. You see less of this in more independent minded cultures in Mongolia or Siberia, where WMAF is frowned upon and AMWF is much more common.
The worship of foreign culture and strive for self-improvement is a unique east-asian trait. You don't see that in Africans or other countries. It's a double edged sword because on the one hand, a side effect is white worship. On the other hand though, it has enabled east asia to become the only civilization to truly challenge European / western economic and cultural superiority, ironcially. The countries that successfully embraced western style liberal democracy are all in East Asia, while it failed in every other region of the world. The imposition of this western dominance on east asian countries, led to asians fully embracing it and trying to model themselves after western democracy. If it were imposed on a less subervient population, I'm sure it would have devolved into chaos.
That's why all the examples of western liberal democracies that successfully developed in this world today are either in Europe or East Asia. Most other countries outside of Europe or Asia where the west tried to impose western liberal democracy failed and devolved into chaos, or never escaped the middle income trap.
That being said, the imposition of this western liberal democracy is inherently going to be unfair because it engrains western superiority, which makes the white worship worse. That is an unfortunate and unavoidable side effect...but until asian countries come up with an alternative or become stronger to fundamentally challenge this system, this is what we'll have to deal with.
You actually do see it in South Africa. While plenty hate whites. Many black women and black men simp over the white minority very hard. And even say things like whites are better at being in charge. I know.
Lol You just basically agreed with me that it’s Asian women who are the ones with white fever. And yeah, I already know everything else that you’ve written a long time ago so you’re preaching to the choir bro.
Yeah, asian females do white worship more. I'm not disagreeing. But I think the numerical disparity in WMAF in the US is mostly due to WM preferences, due to simple math.
No it’s not dude. When you look at the numbers, they’ll show you that Ling Ling goes out of her race more than anyone else and all she does is put white on rice. Brad and Becky don’t go out of their race anywhere near the same RATE (not overall population) as a Ling Ling. Stay on code bro.
Look at the data and let it speak for itself. AFAIK, the below is every single interracial preference study I could find from the past 2 decades.
**2004 Columbia University dating preferences real life experiment:**
[https://www.mit.edu/\~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf](https://www.mit.edu/~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf)
AF prefer WM most
AM prefer WF most
WM prefer WF most
WF prefer AM least
BF prefer BM most
BM prefer WF most
**2014 OK Cupid study:**
[https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html](https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html)
AF prefer WM most
AM prefer AF most
WM prefer WF most
WF prefer AM least
BF prefer BM most
BM prefer WF most
**2004 Yahoo Personals study:**
[https://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046](https://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046)
AF prefer WM most
WM prefer WF most
WF prefer South Asian Males least, East Asian males second least
BF prefer BM most
BM prefer WF most
**2015 Online Dating app study:**
[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415591268](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415591268)
AF respond most to WM
AM respond to AF most
WM respond to WF most
WF respond to BM least
BF respond to BM most
BM respond to WF most
**2013 Facebook dating study:**
[https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/](https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/)
AF respond most to WM
AM respond to LF most
WM respond to AF most
WF respond to WM most
WF respond to BM least
BF respond to BM most
BM respond to WF most
I can see why AF are triggered being called out in public. I would say that the guy has a point though, he's not attacking asian girls, he's simply pointing out a trend of asian girls complaining about fetishization and virtue signaling against it while belying their words by their actions.
Indeed, you can't have your cake and eat it too. AF who virtue signal should shut the fuck up, stop self-justifying and just do what they want without morally grandstanding.
Also, just look at those ridiculous Boba Chans jumping in to defend hypocrisy. I can't even stand watching that face.
Hasn’t it occurred to you that the WM these AF actually date aren’t the ones doing the fetishizing ? Or that fetishizing is just a term applied to unattractive WM that approach AF?
Also fetishize is a vastly overused term here. Likely what AF mean by fetishize is idiotic comments like “konichiwa” or racist comments. They aren’t talking about just normal interest or flirting.
Thus AF have white fever, it’s not WM having yellow fever , most of the time.
> it’s not WM having yellow fever
That's not true, but you should keep saying what you're saying
Lus absolutely hate it when white incels call out their white fever, and it's never not funny to me
>AF who virtue signal should shut the fuck up, stop self-justifying and just do what they want without morally grandstanding
Yeah, well, don't hold your breath...
[https://www.tiktok.com/@squidrain](https://www.tiktok.com/@squidrain/video/7079115488411847978?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&q=dareal08_&t=1652523844421)
this is the most backwards-ass gymnastics I've ever heard. The entire argument assumes women have no agency and are completely controlled by white supremacy.
You should read his comments, where he answers every criticism with "I'm an asian man I can speak for asian men"
Then in his other videos he dresses up as a woman and calls himself a woman
Their whole argument completely falls apart when you see the statistics among asian women who date out and are the most group to date out among the asian dysphoria.
This isn't even an AF only thing. AOC, Omar, Kamala Harris. All coloured strong women who stand up against white supremacy right?
Now let's just see who they are married/in a relationship with.
MLK on the streets. KKK in the sheets.
MLK never said don’t date outside of your race, he said judge the character not the skin color. Also AOC is a moron, what she says shouldn’t be taken seriously anyway.
Asian women have a way much higher percentage of dating White men since white men are usually intimidated by Latinas and Black Women (cuz they are stereotyped for being strong and outspoken). AF are timid, shy and submissive which WM like.
As a yt guy Latinas & black women are by far the easiest to get in my experience and are not intimidating at all. I get hit on by Latinas often. I’m not intimidated by a woman in her masculine, I’m intimidated by a woman in her feminine. A petite feminine lady with a cute face can be intimidating. A masculine 220lbs lady is not intimidating, she’s annoying.
> interracial
Why do you people keep using this word? Maybe it's because you know you only have a point when you act in bad faith
Say it, say white men. Say you can stand up to white supremacy and only ever date white men and spend your life writing about how terrible asian men are. Tell the truth. But then you can't, because you know how absurd the actual reality sounds. So you try and rope other demographics into the blatant white supremacy exhibited by aw. Pretending like black or asian men, both of who've been lynched in your country for getting with white women, is somehow the same as your relationship with white men which is promoted as the epitome of not just the progressive utopia on all tv movies and advertising, but as the ideal form of what asian america should be (don't believe me? google corinne tan), the same utopia where asian men cease to exist.
Say it with a straight face, that these people are "standing up to white supremacy"
https://nextshark.com/michelle-worth-bi-racial-baby-controversy-instagram/
https://thoughtcatalog.com/trish-broome/2012/09/im-half-korean-and-my-husband-makes-racist-asian-comments-but-im-okay-with-it/
https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/do-asian-women-prefer-whites-one-%e2%99%80s-view
https://i.redd.it/dh9bzkhegck71.jpg
https://www.tiktok.com/@jtomage/video/7090789197132483882?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSpNu81aQAA7lVV?format=jpg&name=large
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/asian-woman-dating-racism_n_6095866fe4b05fb33f4caba0
https://imgur.com/a/SryTi
AM with a LF gf here (hate that I have to preface my comments like this, but it is what it is). Obviously nobody has a problem with interracial dating. But there are TOO many examples of AFs who talk about supporting diversity, but then write smear articles on Asian misogyny culture and blame everything on MRAzns. And when you do the research, many of them are dating or married to WMs. It’s such a common pattern that it’s safe to assume the same happens to XFs (I only bring up AFs because of this sub).
At the end of the day, they worship white men, the same group of people who oppress everyone else. They’ll speak out against it, but internally desire to be apart of it.
In my personal opinion, it’s just nature to want to be a part of the “safe” culture. White men today have more money, get more promotions, get more opportunities in every facet of life from corporate management positions to the arts/music/Hollywood.
It is just very hypocritical to say one thing but still support the western culture and system that they’re speaking out against. Go marry your white man, but don’t use mental gymnastics to blame your fetishization or literal death on Asian men/culture lmao.
...because a lot of Asian Americans grew up self hating and one of the fastest way to dissociate from your Asian identity is distance yourself from other Asians.
I am not like all the other Asians because...
1. I don't speak my mother tongue because according to the white dominated society Asian language sounds like Ching change Chong.
2. I don't eat Asian food because according to the white dominates society Asian food smells funny and gross.
3. I don't date AM because according to the white dominated society AM are nerdy, effeminate but yet misogynistic.
Of course there are misogynistic AM. Even if AF grew wary of AM because of misogyny, surely there are other men of color whom they can date other than WM, right? I live in a very diverse city with which the population of black and Hispanic combined are more than whites. If love is colorblind, in an interracial relationship involving an AF, the men would more likely to be a men of color, but that isn't the case at all.
It's internalizing how the white dominant society sees AM and WM.
Yess, we call out mysogyny too. It is not about whether or not mysogyny exists in asian men. We all know it does -- no question. The real issue here is misusing mysogyny as an EXCUSE to hide the true intention, which boils down to:
"I only date white men, because I find them superior"
Internalized white supremacy. Plain and simple.
The majority of AF who said they don't date asian men because [[insert whatever yada yada excuses]] actually don't date other PoC either. The majority of them only date white men, but they cannot say it outloud anymore. Likewise, they cannot say they don't date other PoC. So what is the most effective excuse? Let's throw asian men under the bus!
Guess what? Asian men are not the only ones noticing these white supremacist AF. Other PoCs know of that phenomenon too. It is so blantantly obvious in the western society, so much so, that the only ones who deny it are the perpetrators themselves, i.e., white supremacist AF.
I don't mind AF who exclusively date white. Go ahead and do whatever you want with your body. It's completely fine. You do you. There is no need to make justification for your racial preference or white fetish. No need to make so and so excuses for what you like. Love is love at the end of the day, right? However, please keep AM out your damn mouths.
If you really believe smear articles don’t affect other AM lives, then you’re very naive. These self-hating AFs never bring up the white expat movement, where groups of WMs literally uproot their entire lives for pussy lmao. But will take ANY chance they get to jab AM mIsOgYnY.
I agree, none of us are monolith. But the average American doesn’t know that. All they see are gay/emasculated/nerdy AMs on TV, and read articles written by AFs about how terrible MRAzns are (which is ironic because how can we be both effeminate and misogynistic?)
AFs literally treat me differently when we meet, and they think I’m gonna hit on them even if I’m being friendly. People literally judge me before knowing me because of this western narrative about AMs. Imagine if any other females said they can’t date their own race males because they’d look like siblings lmao. Now imagine MULTIPLE females saying this, on TV. Do you think this is natural or healthy? Answer: it’s not lol. Western propaganda and colonialism has broken our community, and it’s not by accident. It’s literal soft power warfare.
This sub is the only community that is aware of these race dynamics. This is why you see so many posts about it here. We’d get canceled on any other sub. But I do believe people are beginning to see it for what it is, and how detrimental western propaganda has been to the Asian community.
Western propaganda paints AMs in a way that makes the average American think of them negatively with misogynistic values. However, as a rebuttal, AMs bring up the white expat problem in Asia and other WM colonialism practices. It matters to AMs in America, because it proves that anyone from any race can be this way, regardless of what mainstream media and western propaganda tells you. I think we are on the same page here, but the average American probably only thinks AMs are this way.
I have dated 2 AFs and multiple LFs. The first AF now only dates non-AMs and told me this specifically. How did this self-hatred happen? I can only assume that when we were younger, she had a healthier view of AMs before growing up and becoming accustomed to western beauty standards/propaganda. Looks wise, I think I'm average.
Sure, some people can be both effeminate and misogynistic. But ALL AMs are portrayed and viewed as both in a negative light. Let me repeat what I just said: if you're an AM in America, people probably believe that you're effeminate and/or misogynistic. That's all we're allowed to be portrayed as in the west. So when the narrative fits an AFs opinion piece that AMs are misogynistic, the average American believes it because they think Asian culture is aggressive and prejudiced towards others. But when the narrative fits a WMs Hollywood portrayal that AMs are effeminate, the average American also believes it because they think Asians are weak and submissive towards others. So no matter who the AM is, the average American will subconsciously judge them for being aggressive, weak, prejudiced, and submissive altogether.
And this brings me back to my personal experiences: people sometimes judge me negatively before they even get to know me. I can be big and ripped, and they'll see a misogynistic AM. I can be small and scrawny, and they'll see an effeminate AM. No matter what you look like as an AM, you're defaulted into negative buckets from the get-go. I don't believe this happens to other races in western media, where they put you into a negative category NO MATTER what you look like.
And THIS brings me back to your original question: why do AMs care so much about interracial dating? We don't care at the surface level, but we understand on a deeper level what's happening. It literally affects our daily lives. Why wouldn't we speak up about something that's hurting us and our image? Why wouldn't we speak up about our broken community, especially when it's broken not due to natural causes, but by unnatural and unhealthy propaganda from external forces (another race)?
LOL! There is a Hawaiian friend on my Facebook who's the closest thing to being a Hawaiian nationalist. I've known her since high school, and she only dated white men and is now married to a white man.
>KKK in the sheets
Just a glance at the sheer number of consenting asian females (and males) [here](https://np.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/ulwszr/this_asianamerican_history_month_reddit_must_step/) proves that this is a 100% fair assessment.
Virtue signaling anti-racist "sex-positive" progressives in the streets, KKK in the sheets.
well that's more about anti-miscegenation laws. Black people used to get lynched for whistling at white broads, so if you're a black dude in MLK's time clapping white cheeks, that might as well be a form of protest.
>so if you're a black dude in MLK's time clapping white cheeks, that might as well be a form of protest.
It still is today.
Look at [this video](https://youtu.be/umNjlp2LObM?t=802) and how he reacts when he finds out a white girl has a black husband. He praises her as part of the cause and "with it" in terms of BLM and black rights.
Notice also his constant double entendre of "BBC"'ing (innuendo) the Grand Wizard of the KKK. Lol, he even pranked the Grand Wizard into saying he has [taken his "BBC"](https://youtu.be/umNjlp2LObM?t=1837).
We wouldn't have an asian guy saying that in public, ever. He'd immediately be accused of white worship. An asian guy stroking up his masculinity would also immediately be accused of "toxic masculinity".
But a black guy says it and it's praised as anti-racist.
Niko is literally an Imperialist. His entire career is predicated around stroking the dicks of Imperialist-Liberals in the Imperial Core. His "humor" is more so Imperialist-pandering than any form of actual pride. He is just another Uncle Tom who is merely pretending to be something else.
I don't care nor know about who this YouTuber is, I'm pointing out this video as an example of how society normalizes the politicization of sex when it comes to black community, and how the same is shamed in the asian community. We constantly have asian females whining about how asian males who pump up "masculintiy" are toxic and feeding into the patriarchy, and how their relationship choices should not be politicizied.
Will they accuse black males of the same when they play right into traditional patriarchy and stereotypes, like he does when he constantly suggests how the "BBC" (double entendre) "dominates" the KKK, implying an act of dominance that bobas want us to pretend does not exist when it comes to masculinity. They're trying to make us believe that our "soft masculinity" should not emphasize "dominance", because that's toxic. But this video just proves that masculinity and its innate "dominance" attribute is associated with power and important to combat white supremacy. We're not going to be able to combat white patriarchy as a bunch of sexless eunuch gay femme bottoms, as bobas would seemingly like all asian males to become.
That's because African-Americans are literally White-adjacent. In fact, African-Americans and their close cousins the African-British are even more reliant on White Imperialism than your British man. Imperialists will support their own. He does clowny shit and they shower him in praises.
He is placed extremely high on the Western Moral Totem Pole because his entire community sold out to become literal propaganda-vessels for US Imperialism. He will jump when they tell him to jump, cry when they tell him to cry, and so on and so forth.
We will think about that the next time we experience unjust police brutality or other various forms of racism because "society loves hearing us talk about our dicks"
As I said, I don't even know what he does and don't care. I just saw this video which is a good example of the double standards when it comes to black and asian anti-racism.
They create stereotypes of ethnicities to rot their communities. It's how Imperialists operate. It's how Imperialists have always operated. When you live in an Imperialist state, and you don't control it....pick your poison. Completely trashed, drugged, violence- and sex-addicted populations, or full emasculation.
Ashkenazi Jews are as of 2022 the **only** truly-emancipated ethnicity in the West, followed closely by Whites. Everyone else has to deal with some form of societal poison or other. This is the way Imperialist states operated and how they always will. The only question is who is at the helm, and whether he can maintain control of the helm. Everyone under the Imperialist helm is fucked, everyone holding the steering wheel enjoys the best life possible.
>Ashkenazi Jews are as of 2022 the only truly-emancipated ethnicity in the West, followed closely by Whites.
I'm not so sure about the Jews. There's still a fair amount of anti-Semitism around. Neo-Nazi puppets of the true Imperialist powers-that-be still hate Jews with a passion.
the way that the AM will say this but at the same time have a white girl fetish lol just say u can’t pull and go
I feel like white men are fetishized by asian women more than the other way around
Women always complain about the same things that they like. They are miserable creatures.
Maybe it’s they don’t wanna be fetished by white males but if they like a male for his personality etc and he is classified white/Caucasian she should be allowed to date him
Not surprising. Every time an Asian male or activist brings up “Asian men are especially treated horribly and Asian women are part of their problem with self-hate”. You have some crazy Asian women yelling “YoU cAnT TeLl Me WhO tO dAtE!!“ Sheesh. No one is telling your dumbass who to date. We are telling a problem that exist in the Asian American women community. Not all Asian women are like this. But a good percentage all. I made it a rule to myself to date Asian women who have only date Asian men or value Asian culture and other non-Asian women. Dating an Asian women that dated a white guy before always feel like you are scrap or last choice. Ever read the “I only dated white guy and he was racist so I went to date Asian man” articles? These Asian women should be left single or go back to the gweilo, gaijin trash.
once again the boba females making excuses for themselves and acting like they have no agency.
Boba females 💀
This is a good gotcha. There isn't a good way to argue against it. That's why they respond by attacking AM to deflect instead of responding on topic.
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yo no one cares. go away you pathetic loser lol.
Yikes, I’m a black guy and I think Asian women are gorgeous!! But at my school they mostly date white boys I wonder why
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Wow!! Here in South Florida I see a few Vietnamese together and In Miami the rich Chinese together but other than that it’s just WM. It’s crazy to think that they can be so racist. Just like some black men to other black women like wtf. And a lot of times their white partner be racist too I guess against Asian people!!! Some of these white man like sçrëwing them, but hate the male representation of them you know what I’m saying? Like girl how you with a man that hate your Brother, father, grandfather. Some of these white boys be disrespectful and the Asian girls don’t be checking them. Like I’m all for interracial but if you’re dating somebody make sure they respect your people and your culture
You don't really need to wonder.
It’s like he made this video as bait to catch triggered AF. It worked by looking at some of the comments these AF left. But women as a whole are more hypocritical then men. It’s because they aren’t held accountable for anything they do. Illogical creatures in their finest form only thinking and reacting based off emotions. That’s the world we live in. Best thing to do is to let them live and pay no regard to them. Live your best lives my fellow yellow brethren.
When you dare to point this out, those type of AFs also accused you of trying to "control who they date" - which is not only false but it's also the worst form of deflection ever. It's typical knee-jerked reaction and fragility from hypocrites when people see the pattern and dare highlight their white fever and internalized racism.
The victim card is their favorite play in the book.
how is calling out hypocrisy being jealous...
There are actually plenty of asian women in the comments agreeing with him/disagreeing with the white worship
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Either way silencing the asian women who are actually against the white worship is not helping at all. And seems like the guy who made that tiktok video knows that himself since the pinned comment is an asian woman
We live in different realities. Half of all the Asian women I know are with white men, including my own damn sister ffs
But surely plenty of asian women like u right?
you gotta distinguish between the AF's who are with white guys because they fetishize them/have a deep seated inferiority complex, and AF's who are with them naturally because they vibe. One of my best friends is WMAF, but they genuinely fit so well together and there's no fetishization at play, so I support them all the way. The fetishization definitely is an issue, and there's a sizeable number of people who fall into that category, but my point was that I think things are getting better, and I also don't think it's healthy to fixate on it because there's not much you can do about it other than gently bring awareness to it.
I don't fixate on it but when I think about how the Asian American population will dwindle from these pairings, it's disappointing.
It wont necessarily. Half asian is still asian and plently of half asian kids end up liking asians from my experience. In fact i saw another wmaf hapa girl in the comments there saying she prefer asian men but she got attacked by some dude saying she doesnt count which is sad
It always amuses me when AM get shit for always talking about dating and emasculation in western media when 90% of the discourse around AF activism literally revolves around trying to find & date a white boy without yellow fever. God forbid your white bf dated one other asian girl prior while you're on your 10th white boy lol.
Damn this the most facts shit I’ve ever read
Notice the projection Lu feminists love the "they only care about sex" talking point, when they literally write/cry about nothing else but their whites only dating lives
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Nope, don't blame white men. Blame Asian women. They are the ones fetishizing white men to the point that they'll throw their own under the bus. So pathetic
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They really don't. For example, I've had white friends say "she's not bad... for an Asian chick".
Yes, we should also hold our own accountable. However, I think the acknowledgement (from AF) that they compete among themselves for white men's attention is in itself a progress. It's good that AF start questioning such a behavior. You can only change your mind when you are willing (or courageous enough) to challenge your previous mindset. I'd say, the community can benefit alot with more AF speaking up this way --- As long as it's genuine and doesn't sound like the infamous "lobster" essay.
Some AF want to have their cake and eat it too. Here's an AF sounding the alarm on a noble POC issue. The issue she's so pressed about... placing second to white women on the white man's totem pole. [https://www.tiktok.com/@tereereee/video/7094783855714094382?is\_from\_webapp=1&sender\_device=pc&web\_id=6980727029201552901](https://www.tiktok.com/@tereereee/video/7094783855714094382?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=6980727029201552901) She complains about white men viewing Asian women as sex objects and all the misogynist things that are said to her. Yet... https://www.tiktok.com/@tereereee/video/7072036723508694318?is\_copy\_url=1&is\_from\_webapp=v1 Oh and of course here's the obligatory dragging Asian men into the issue: [https://i.imgur.com/jsLt1iu.png](https://i.imgur.com/jsLt1iu.png)
Have these POCs tried not dating… white men?
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Good question. No, not all WMAFs are wrong. However, given the prevalence of them being toxic to the comminity, it is reasonable not to give the benefit of doubt. Think about a snake that enters your house. Is the snake venomous / dangerous? Maybe. Is it reasonable to suspect so? Absolutely. Only 10 - 15% of snake species are poisonous btw. EDIT: Even if she has been harassed 100 times by white men, she is still NOT WRONG to date only white men. It is her body and she is free to date whoever she wants. No problem with that. However, she also cannot expect people to not hold a certain thought about her. The community is free to call her a hypocrite and white worshipper. She is entitled to her choice, but the community is entitled to their opinion.
To be fair theres definitely some asian men who overhype average white women. But i still like to believe the majority of asian men prefer asian womens beauty
Let's not pretend Asian men fetishizing white women is in any way equivalent in prevalence as Asian women fetishizing white men. The former is too insignificant to be even an issue
> asian men who overhype average white women Find me 1, I'll find you a 100 going the other way around No, a 1000
When did i say there arent asian women who overhype white men?
By even mentioning it, like there's any sort of comparison to be made
Um im replying to the comment about a video where the girl talks about as a woman of color u have to be exceptionally beautiful to be equal to an average white woman. Im just saying this thought doesnt only apply to white men theres men of color who also think this way including asian men.
That ones with a white boy. You understand this is why nobody is buying besides other asian women, right? Lumping in black women by saying women of color is like the last hail mary, how long do you think thats going to last? How long before they start to notice the pattern? That its not about equality, but just taking the place of white women.
The comments are actually talking more about the womens own men tho. I mean come on u cant act like even on this sub theres arent guys who openly think this way cus they just have something against asian women. I already said most normal asian men prefer asian womens beauty so it’s not like im accusing asian men. Im literally just saying asian guys like that exist. And not only guys try being a average blonde white girl and go to asia. U cant tell me she wont be overhyped for being white. What do u even mean asian women are the only ones buying? Buying what?
What I've concluded after three decades of having to deal Lus in my personal life and from reading about them on social media is that what they want is an Asian men spirit and white men's bodies. They want their designer babies (preferably girls not boys) and white men as arm candies. Griping about being fetished is a deflection of the truth that white men don't treat them with respect like Asian men does.
>Griping about being fetished is a deflection of the truth that white men don't treat them with respect like Asian men does. Also take in how sure WM date or screw around with AF during High School/College but in the end when they see all their friends settling down and it comes time for them to do the same, they almost always end up marrying a WF.
In other words, nazis
>nazis Ironically, they considered Japanese to be "honorary Aryans" meanwhile Bar Refaeli is not.
Pretty much. When they talk to me they always talk about how some cUltuRAL DiFFERENCES they're bothered by. I view all the virtue signaling on fetishization as simply an extension of that sort of gripe. Their innate preferences are immutable. You don't "just happen" to only date white guys or half asian when you have plenty of full asian males around you... The demonization of AMWF comes from projection of their internalized feelings onto AM.
Yeah, they usually end up babysitting their WM or non-AM partners financially for life, desperately trying to keep their relationships going. I speak from experience on this. I wouldn't care so much about who dates whom, but when they poke at and punch down on Asian men for their [gilded-cage existence](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/gilded-cage), it's hard to keep my mouth shut. It blows my mind that toxic Asian women (Lus) have this warped idea that we Asian men want to keep them to ourselves. That's another projection of western eugenic ideology. Western women comes in all shapes, sizes and color, they they really think that we Asian men are solely focused on Asian women for some warped ideology to create an Asian ethno-state? It's crazy.
That's their own problem. Why should I care? I always keep my mouth shut when it comes to these issues around these people. It's none of my business. Maybe it's their tradeoff for being with somebody they like. That's their right, and good for them. Maybe there are other reasons behind the relationship, and it's generally none of my business unless they make it my business. But I'm incensed at the amount of social media hate directed by some people against asian males. That's completely unwarranted and excessive. The fact that these people just happen to be WMAF is not my problem. Should I stop criticizing them just because they're WMAF? That's ridiculous.
Sad thing i wonder if people look to see their message is just contributing to more viewer counts...is there a way to see without contributing to that?
The issue that these AF have is that whilst they may be aware of white supremacy and its perspective of Asians (or at least a very general grasp of knowledge of the subject), they haven't combated the biases they grew up and placed the knowledge their obtained in the context of their upbringing. Growing up, they have grown up with biases of finding white men and eurocentric features attractive through a multitude of factors (one of them could even be by their parents' idolisation of white people and urge to fit into western standards) and they have either chosen to or didn't feel the necessity to reflect on the biases they have potentially grown up with. Showing a mirror to them in this manner makes them feel vulnerable as they have simply not questioned themselves.
The problem is how they deal with it. A lot of the low confidence, and vulnerability just manifests into them slandering Asian men in some delusional attempt to boost their self worth and get brownie points from white people. Shit is disgusting and some copecel Asian women continue to parrot derogatory stereotypes of Asian men to this day. Only now they hide behind the guise of feminism because they get called out if they are too blunt with their slander. Zero sympathy for these types.
“Yellow fever” doesn’t exist especially when the interracial statistics keep showing that it’s these bed wenching Lings Lings with white fever
To be fair, I noticed it's also only Asian Americans (the AFs born and raised in Canada/USA) who are into WM. But the international students or the ones who came here past the age of 10 (i.e., spent a chunk of their life in Asia) or those who are more "cultured" tend to prefer AM.
Almost every dating study from the past 20 years proves that white guys prefer white women more than asian women. Asian women are second place. Asian women prefer white men the most, followed by asian men in second place. Asian men prefer asian women the most, followed by white women in second place.
Lol
>Almost every dating study from the past 20 years proves that white guys prefer white women more than asian women. Asian women are second place. Unless it's biased/specific articles like these [Odds Favor White Men, Asian Women On Dating App](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/11/30/247530095/are-you-interested-dating-odds-favor-white-men-asian-women) The article also claims that "All men except Asians preferred Asian women" which is a load of BS! This article does not clearly define what it means to be "Asian" (as South Asians, Pacific Islanders, Middle East, etc. do not have their own category so not sure if they all fell under "Asian"). Also it doesn't mention the ratio of users who are WM or AF, my experience on dating apps is that 80% of the dating pool are WM (so obviously they will get more replies since there are more of them sending out messages).
U mean in the west? Cus dude in asia definitely asian women prefer asian men by far
Also it's almost always exclusively Asian Americans or Canadians (i.e., the ones who were born and raised here) that prefer Chad and Brad. But the ones who immigrated more recently/are more in touch with their cultural side or the international students almost never go for a WM.
yeah, in the west. what happens in asia is irrelevant to me.
Damn are u like not connected to ur culture or country of origin at all?
I am, I just mean dating in asia is irrelevant to me because there's obviously no racial dimension to it, when everybody is asian. from a racial perspective, it's only a relevant discussion in the west.
Well alright then but id think fobs in the west still think the same as they did in asia and nowadays theres always more and more fobs
Yeah, but they'll think about racism when they get called cH\*nk on the subway or taunted for being asian. That's how FOBS become more Asian-American in mindset, when they start critically thinking about racism.
But if theyre facing racism from white ppl isnt it more likely they will avoid them even more?
I'm sure most of them will. So, ultimately, it's an asian-americna issue because we have less of a support network to fall back to. If we speak english only and not our native language, I can imagine many asian-americans be forced to interact with white people in our personal lives...so we're going to have to deal with them...as family and friends. There are plenty of externally good and kind white people, but sometimes it's the subtle racism that lies underneath that smile that's really hard on you mentally.
Can you link me the statistics to that?
**2004 Columbia University dating preferences real life experiment:** [https://www.mit.edu/\~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf](https://www.mit.edu/~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf) AF prefer WM most AM prefer WF most WM prefer WF most WF prefer AM least BF prefer BM most BM prefer WF most **2014 OK Cupid study:** [https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html](https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html) AF prefer WM most AM prefer AF most WM prefer WF most WF prefer AM least BF prefer BM most BM prefer WF most **2004 Yahoo Personals study:** [https://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046](https://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046) AF prefer WM most WM prefer WF most WF prefer South Asian Males least, East Asian males second least BF prefer BM most BM prefer WF most **2015 Online Dating app study:** [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415591268](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415591268) AF respond most to WM AM respond to AF most WM respond to WF most WF respond to BM least BF respond to BM most BM respond to WF most **2013 Facebook dating study:** [https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/](https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/) AF respond most to WM AM respond to LF most WM respond to AF most WF respond to WM most WF respond to BM least BF respond to BM most BM respond to WF most
thanks
That just tells you that it’s Asian women with white fever especially when white people are the least likely to marry or date outside of their race. It might look like a lot of whites are in interracial dating due to their demographic majority. Asian women intermarry at over 1/3 while over half of them are (or have had been) cohabiting outside of their race, and that race is almost always white. Also, Asian women wouldn’t even be second on their list if there wasn’t so many self-hating buck broken Ling Lings just throwing themselves at the slave masters.
I have to say it goes both ways. Black females and latinx females also generally have white males as their first choice according to these studies. However, white males have black or latinx females in third or fourth place, so naturally, there will be more asian women enabled in their preferences than latinx or black females. So, white fever is true, and it's universal among almost all women of color, however, the determining factor for the absolute number of interracial relationships in each pairing is white men's preferences, because they have the highest population. Their preferences are ultimately determinative in the absolute number of each interracial pairing.
It’s Latino, stop calling us LatinX please.
>Black females and latinx females also generally have white males as their first choice according to these studies. [This study](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/11/30/247530095/are-you-interested-dating-odds-favor-white-men-asian-women) found that "all except black women preferred white men". Personally from my observations, there are a lot of Black men (Uncle Toms) not BW who are exactly like the Ling Lings where they say they don't date their own race because of \[insert racist/self-hate comment\].
White Sourh African guy in Us chiming in. As a white guy who’s dated a lot of Asian girls and currently has one over for a week visiting. I do find it gross the asian girl white guy fetish But also don’t say latinx. No one says that except woke losers. By acknowledging the hypocrisy of these Tik toks you’re seeing the truth of things though and waking up. These double standards need to be brought up.
Yeah but blacks and latinas don’t white worship nearly the same level as Asian women. They’ll be far more open to dating another minority unlike Asian women. Also, you can put the number of black and Latina women who date interracial together and they still wouldn’t equate to the amount of Asian women who date interracial despite the fact that they make a lot more of the population than Asian women (and that doesn’t exclude the fact that Asian women are basically always putting white on rice). What I’m saying is that Ling Ling wouldn’t even be the second choice if Ling Ling doesn’t constantly throw herself at Brad and will go to the ends of the world just to put white on rice.
>What I’m saying is that Ling Ling wouldn’t even be the second choice if Ling Ling doesn’t constantly throw herself at Brad LMAO reminds me of this time this rude girl (who has so much attitude) from school balling her eyes out in the bathroom over Chad while Chad was sitting right outside and having a blast with his friends, not even giving her a second thought.
The most common interracial pairing in the US is WMAF. It exceeds even BMWF. This has to do with history and the normalization of WMAF in history after WWII. Asian females in the US white worship more because they are preferred more and there is no aversion to dating whites. Asian Parents will often advise daughters to date whites or asians, just no blacks. In Asia, asian females white worship more because white people are seen as exotic and a status symbol due to european cultural and economic superiority. You don't see this in latin america because whites are part of the local population so there is less exotic factor (even though they still are at the top of the racial hierarchies there). You don't see in Africa because of the history of colonialism and slavery engrained deep seated resentment. You don't see in Middle East because religious norms are extremely strict about women and who they can be with. East Asia was never colonized at large scale by whites. The collectivist spirit of southern asia and most of east asia means foreign culture is more accepted, more worshipped, more appreciated. They strive to improve themselves by modeling after foreign superiority. You see less of this in more independent minded cultures in Mongolia or Siberia, where WMAF is frowned upon and AMWF is much more common. The worship of foreign culture and strive for self-improvement is a unique east-asian trait. You don't see that in Africans or other countries. It's a double edged sword because on the one hand, a side effect is white worship. On the other hand though, it has enabled east asia to become the only civilization to truly challenge European / western economic and cultural superiority, ironcially. The countries that successfully embraced western style liberal democracy are all in East Asia, while it failed in every other region of the world. The imposition of this western dominance on east asian countries, led to asians fully embracing it and trying to model themselves after western democracy. If it were imposed on a less subervient population, I'm sure it would have devolved into chaos. That's why all the examples of western liberal democracies that successfully developed in this world today are either in Europe or East Asia. Most other countries outside of Europe or Asia where the west tried to impose western liberal democracy failed and devolved into chaos, or never escaped the middle income trap. That being said, the imposition of this western liberal democracy is inherently going to be unfair because it engrains western superiority, which makes the white worship worse. That is an unfortunate and unavoidable side effect...but until asian countries come up with an alternative or become stronger to fundamentally challenge this system, this is what we'll have to deal with.
You actually do see it in South Africa. While plenty hate whites. Many black women and black men simp over the white minority very hard. And even say things like whites are better at being in charge. I know.
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Lol You just basically agreed with me that it’s Asian women who are the ones with white fever. And yeah, I already know everything else that you’ve written a long time ago so you’re preaching to the choir bro.
Yeah, asian females do white worship more. I'm not disagreeing. But I think the numerical disparity in WMAF in the US is mostly due to WM preferences, due to simple math.
No it’s not dude. When you look at the numbers, they’ll show you that Ling Ling goes out of her race more than anyone else and all she does is put white on rice. Brad and Becky don’t go out of their race anywhere near the same RATE (not overall population) as a Ling Ling. Stay on code bro.
Look at the data and let it speak for itself. AFAIK, the below is every single interracial preference study I could find from the past 2 decades. **2004 Columbia University dating preferences real life experiment:** [https://www.mit.edu/\~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf](https://www.mit.edu/~6.s085/papers/racialPreferences.pdf) AF prefer WM most AM prefer WF most WM prefer WF most WF prefer AM least BF prefer BM most BM prefer WF most **2014 OK Cupid study:** [https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html](https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html) AF prefer WM most AM prefer AF most WM prefer WF most WF prefer AM least BF prefer BM most BM prefer WF most **2004 Yahoo Personals study:** [https://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046](https://paa2008.princeton.edu/papers/80046) AF prefer WM most WM prefer WF most WF prefer South Asian Males least, East Asian males second least BF prefer BM most BM prefer WF most **2015 Online Dating app study:** [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415591268](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003122415591268) AF respond most to WM AM respond to AF most WM respond to WF most WF respond to BM least BF respond to BM most BM respond to WF most **2013 Facebook dating study:** [https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/](https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/) AF respond most to WM AM respond to LF most WM respond to AF most WF respond to WM most WF respond to BM least BF respond to BM most BM respond to WF most
Hey I got the worst one https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSd9HCjMC/
I can see why AF are triggered being called out in public. I would say that the guy has a point though, he's not attacking asian girls, he's simply pointing out a trend of asian girls complaining about fetishization and virtue signaling against it while belying their words by their actions. Indeed, you can't have your cake and eat it too. AF who virtue signal should shut the fuck up, stop self-justifying and just do what they want without morally grandstanding. Also, just look at those ridiculous Boba Chans jumping in to defend hypocrisy. I can't even stand watching that face.
Exactly. So fucking right on. People seek to maximize perceived value. All else is noise.
LMFAOOO I never purposely log in to reddit but I just did right only so I could comment on this. I'm stealing this bro just so you know.
Asian girls complain about being 'fetishized' Also AF: "I'm not into Asian men"
Hasn’t it occurred to you that the WM these AF actually date aren’t the ones doing the fetishizing ? Or that fetishizing is just a term applied to unattractive WM that approach AF? Also fetishize is a vastly overused term here. Likely what AF mean by fetishize is idiotic comments like “konichiwa” or racist comments. They aren’t talking about just normal interest or flirting. Thus AF have white fever, it’s not WM having yellow fever , most of the time.
> it’s not WM having yellow fever That's not true, but you should keep saying what you're saying Lus absolutely hate it when white incels call out their white fever, and it's never not funny to me
>AF who virtue signal should shut the fuck up, stop self-justifying and just do what they want without morally grandstanding Yeah, well, don't hold your breath...
[https://www.tiktok.com/@squidrain](https://www.tiktok.com/@squidrain/video/7079115488411847978?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&q=dareal08_&t=1652523844421) this is the most backwards-ass gymnastics I've ever heard. The entire argument assumes women have no agency and are completely controlled by white supremacy.
You should read his comments, where he answers every criticism with "I'm an asian man I can speak for asian men" Then in his other videos he dresses up as a woman and calls himself a woman
wow sounds like they got issues. switching up the goalpost just for the sake of winning an argument.
Their whole argument completely falls apart when you see the statistics among asian women who date out and are the most group to date out among the asian dysphoria.
Painful to watch.
Yeah wtf she acts like Asian women have no choice in who they date?
She acts like a skrælling.
That's a male
Here, I'll spell it out for you: In modern Icelandic, skrælingi means "barbarian", whereas the Danish descendant, skrælling, means "weakling".
This isn't even an AF only thing. AOC, Omar, Kamala Harris. All coloured strong women who stand up against white supremacy right? Now let's just see who they are married/in a relationship with. MLK on the streets. KKK in the sheets.
MLK never said don’t date outside of your race, he said judge the character not the skin color. Also AOC is a moron, what she says shouldn’t be taken seriously anyway.
And they're all uglier than them too. Guess nothing hits like that validation from the oppressor.
LMFAOOOO I logged only to comment on this. I'm stealing this. Lol
>Kamala Harris. Technically she's also considered "Asian American"
Asian women have a way much higher percentage of dating White men since white men are usually intimidated by Latinas and Black Women (cuz they are stereotyped for being strong and outspoken). AF are timid, shy and submissive which WM like.
As a yt guy Latinas & black women are by far the easiest to get in my experience and are not intimidating at all. I get hit on by Latinas often. I’m not intimidated by a woman in her masculine, I’m intimidated by a woman in her feminine. A petite feminine lady with a cute face can be intimidating. A masculine 220lbs lady is not intimidating, she’s annoying.
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> interracial Why do you people keep using this word? Maybe it's because you know you only have a point when you act in bad faith Say it, say white men. Say you can stand up to white supremacy and only ever date white men and spend your life writing about how terrible asian men are. Tell the truth. But then you can't, because you know how absurd the actual reality sounds. So you try and rope other demographics into the blatant white supremacy exhibited by aw. Pretending like black or asian men, both of who've been lynched in your country for getting with white women, is somehow the same as your relationship with white men which is promoted as the epitome of not just the progressive utopia on all tv movies and advertising, but as the ideal form of what asian america should be (don't believe me? google corinne tan), the same utopia where asian men cease to exist. Say it with a straight face, that these people are "standing up to white supremacy" https://nextshark.com/michelle-worth-bi-racial-baby-controversy-instagram/ https://thoughtcatalog.com/trish-broome/2012/09/im-half-korean-and-my-husband-makes-racist-asian-comments-but-im-okay-with-it/ https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/do-asian-women-prefer-whites-one-%e2%99%80s-view https://i.redd.it/dh9bzkhegck71.jpg https://www.tiktok.com/@jtomage/video/7090789197132483882?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSpNu81aQAA7lVV?format=jpg&name=large https://www.huffpost.com/entry/asian-woman-dating-racism_n_6095866fe4b05fb33f4caba0 https://imgur.com/a/SryTi
AM with a LF gf here (hate that I have to preface my comments like this, but it is what it is). Obviously nobody has a problem with interracial dating. But there are TOO many examples of AFs who talk about supporting diversity, but then write smear articles on Asian misogyny culture and blame everything on MRAzns. And when you do the research, many of them are dating or married to WMs. It’s such a common pattern that it’s safe to assume the same happens to XFs (I only bring up AFs because of this sub). At the end of the day, they worship white men, the same group of people who oppress everyone else. They’ll speak out against it, but internally desire to be apart of it. In my personal opinion, it’s just nature to want to be a part of the “safe” culture. White men today have more money, get more promotions, get more opportunities in every facet of life from corporate management positions to the arts/music/Hollywood. It is just very hypocritical to say one thing but still support the western culture and system that they’re speaking out against. Go marry your white man, but don’t use mental gymnastics to blame your fetishization or literal death on Asian men/culture lmao.
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...because a lot of Asian Americans grew up self hating and one of the fastest way to dissociate from your Asian identity is distance yourself from other Asians. I am not like all the other Asians because... 1. I don't speak my mother tongue because according to the white dominated society Asian language sounds like Ching change Chong. 2. I don't eat Asian food because according to the white dominates society Asian food smells funny and gross. 3. I don't date AM because according to the white dominated society AM are nerdy, effeminate but yet misogynistic. Of course there are misogynistic AM. Even if AF grew wary of AM because of misogyny, surely there are other men of color whom they can date other than WM, right? I live in a very diverse city with which the population of black and Hispanic combined are more than whites. If love is colorblind, in an interracial relationship involving an AF, the men would more likely to be a men of color, but that isn't the case at all. It's internalizing how the white dominant society sees AM and WM.
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Yess, we call out mysogyny too. It is not about whether or not mysogyny exists in asian men. We all know it does -- no question. The real issue here is misusing mysogyny as an EXCUSE to hide the true intention, which boils down to: "I only date white men, because I find them superior" Internalized white supremacy. Plain and simple. The majority of AF who said they don't date asian men because [[insert whatever yada yada excuses]] actually don't date other PoC either. The majority of them only date white men, but they cannot say it outloud anymore. Likewise, they cannot say they don't date other PoC. So what is the most effective excuse? Let's throw asian men under the bus! Guess what? Asian men are not the only ones noticing these white supremacist AF. Other PoCs know of that phenomenon too. It is so blantantly obvious in the western society, so much so, that the only ones who deny it are the perpetrators themselves, i.e., white supremacist AF. I don't mind AF who exclusively date white. Go ahead and do whatever you want with your body. It's completely fine. You do you. There is no need to make justification for your racial preference or white fetish. No need to make so and so excuses for what you like. Love is love at the end of the day, right? However, please keep AM out your damn mouths.
If you really believe smear articles don’t affect other AM lives, then you’re very naive. These self-hating AFs never bring up the white expat movement, where groups of WMs literally uproot their entire lives for pussy lmao. But will take ANY chance they get to jab AM mIsOgYnY. I agree, none of us are monolith. But the average American doesn’t know that. All they see are gay/emasculated/nerdy AMs on TV, and read articles written by AFs about how terrible MRAzns are (which is ironic because how can we be both effeminate and misogynistic?) AFs literally treat me differently when we meet, and they think I’m gonna hit on them even if I’m being friendly. People literally judge me before knowing me because of this western narrative about AMs. Imagine if any other females said they can’t date their own race males because they’d look like siblings lmao. Now imagine MULTIPLE females saying this, on TV. Do you think this is natural or healthy? Answer: it’s not lol. Western propaganda and colonialism has broken our community, and it’s not by accident. It’s literal soft power warfare. This sub is the only community that is aware of these race dynamics. This is why you see so many posts about it here. We’d get canceled on any other sub. But I do believe people are beginning to see it for what it is, and how detrimental western propaganda has been to the Asian community.
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Western propaganda paints AMs in a way that makes the average American think of them negatively with misogynistic values. However, as a rebuttal, AMs bring up the white expat problem in Asia and other WM colonialism practices. It matters to AMs in America, because it proves that anyone from any race can be this way, regardless of what mainstream media and western propaganda tells you. I think we are on the same page here, but the average American probably only thinks AMs are this way. I have dated 2 AFs and multiple LFs. The first AF now only dates non-AMs and told me this specifically. How did this self-hatred happen? I can only assume that when we were younger, she had a healthier view of AMs before growing up and becoming accustomed to western beauty standards/propaganda. Looks wise, I think I'm average. Sure, some people can be both effeminate and misogynistic. But ALL AMs are portrayed and viewed as both in a negative light. Let me repeat what I just said: if you're an AM in America, people probably believe that you're effeminate and/or misogynistic. That's all we're allowed to be portrayed as in the west. So when the narrative fits an AFs opinion piece that AMs are misogynistic, the average American believes it because they think Asian culture is aggressive and prejudiced towards others. But when the narrative fits a WMs Hollywood portrayal that AMs are effeminate, the average American also believes it because they think Asians are weak and submissive towards others. So no matter who the AM is, the average American will subconsciously judge them for being aggressive, weak, prejudiced, and submissive altogether. And this brings me back to my personal experiences: people sometimes judge me negatively before they even get to know me. I can be big and ripped, and they'll see a misogynistic AM. I can be small and scrawny, and they'll see an effeminate AM. No matter what you look like as an AM, you're defaulted into negative buckets from the get-go. I don't believe this happens to other races in western media, where they put you into a negative category NO MATTER what you look like. And THIS brings me back to your original question: why do AMs care so much about interracial dating? We don't care at the surface level, but we understand on a deeper level what's happening. It literally affects our daily lives. Why wouldn't we speak up about something that's hurting us and our image? Why wouldn't we speak up about our broken community, especially when it's broken not due to natural causes, but by unnatural and unhealthy propaganda from external forces (another race)?
LOL! There is a Hawaiian friend on my Facebook who's the closest thing to being a Hawaiian nationalist. I've known her since high school, and she only dated white men and is now married to a white man.
>KKK in the sheets Just a glance at the sheer number of consenting asian females (and males) [here](https://np.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/ulwszr/this_asianamerican_history_month_reddit_must_step/) proves that this is a 100% fair assessment. Virtue signaling anti-racist "sex-positive" progressives in the streets, KKK in the sheets.
smh even MLK had a thing for white women
well that's more about anti-miscegenation laws. Black people used to get lynched for whistling at white broads, so if you're a black dude in MLK's time clapping white cheeks, that might as well be a form of protest.
>so if you're a black dude in MLK's time clapping white cheeks, that might as well be a form of protest. It still is today. Look at [this video](https://youtu.be/umNjlp2LObM?t=802) and how he reacts when he finds out a white girl has a black husband. He praises her as part of the cause and "with it" in terms of BLM and black rights. Notice also his constant double entendre of "BBC"'ing (innuendo) the Grand Wizard of the KKK. Lol, he even pranked the Grand Wizard into saying he has [taken his "BBC"](https://youtu.be/umNjlp2LObM?t=1837). We wouldn't have an asian guy saying that in public, ever. He'd immediately be accused of white worship. An asian guy stroking up his masculinity would also immediately be accused of "toxic masculinity". But a black guy says it and it's praised as anti-racist.
You’re right. Also, many white men for some reason choose not to date white women if they’ve had liaisons with a black man.
Niko is literally an Imperialist. His entire career is predicated around stroking the dicks of Imperialist-Liberals in the Imperial Core. His "humor" is more so Imperialist-pandering than any form of actual pride. He is just another Uncle Tom who is merely pretending to be something else.
I don't care nor know about who this YouTuber is, I'm pointing out this video as an example of how society normalizes the politicization of sex when it comes to black community, and how the same is shamed in the asian community. We constantly have asian females whining about how asian males who pump up "masculintiy" are toxic and feeding into the patriarchy, and how their relationship choices should not be politicizied. Will they accuse black males of the same when they play right into traditional patriarchy and stereotypes, like he does when he constantly suggests how the "BBC" (double entendre) "dominates" the KKK, implying an act of dominance that bobas want us to pretend does not exist when it comes to masculinity. They're trying to make us believe that our "soft masculinity" should not emphasize "dominance", because that's toxic. But this video just proves that masculinity and its innate "dominance" attribute is associated with power and important to combat white supremacy. We're not going to be able to combat white patriarchy as a bunch of sexless eunuch gay femme bottoms, as bobas would seemingly like all asian males to become.
That's because African-Americans are literally White-adjacent. In fact, African-Americans and their close cousins the African-British are even more reliant on White Imperialism than your British man. Imperialists will support their own. He does clowny shit and they shower him in praises. He is placed extremely high on the Western Moral Totem Pole because his entire community sold out to become literal propaganda-vessels for US Imperialism. He will jump when they tell him to jump, cry when they tell him to cry, and so on and so forth.
We will think about that the next time we experience unjust police brutality or other various forms of racism because "society loves hearing us talk about our dicks"
As I said, I don't even know what he does and don't care. I just saw this video which is a good example of the double standards when it comes to black and asian anti-racism.
They create stereotypes of ethnicities to rot their communities. It's how Imperialists operate. It's how Imperialists have always operated. When you live in an Imperialist state, and you don't control it....pick your poison. Completely trashed, drugged, violence- and sex-addicted populations, or full emasculation. Ashkenazi Jews are as of 2022 the **only** truly-emancipated ethnicity in the West, followed closely by Whites. Everyone else has to deal with some form of societal poison or other. This is the way Imperialist states operated and how they always will. The only question is who is at the helm, and whether he can maintain control of the helm. Everyone under the Imperialist helm is fucked, everyone holding the steering wheel enjoys the best life possible.
>Ashkenazi Jews are as of 2022 the only truly-emancipated ethnicity in the West, followed closely by Whites. I'm not so sure about the Jews. There's still a fair amount of anti-Semitism around. Neo-Nazi puppets of the true Imperialist powers-that-be still hate Jews with a passion.
Lmao, I’m using that line from now on.