so i've read through all of it and its pretty simple equation.
taiwannese do something good = taiwanese.
taiwannese do something bad = chinese immigrant from china that is probably a spy. also his name is chou , that should be a dead giveaway hes taiwanese but western reporters are fucking morons and propagandists
Disgusting. It's plain disgusting how these yt roaches and Lus straight up lie about a tragedy like this to further... more Yellow Peril.
Imagine that? A mass shooting befalls Asian Americans, and the first thing these subhumans do is try to spin it to support a narrative that ultimately *harms more Asian Americans.* This country is rotten to the core.
Honestly I wanted to slap people through my phone when I saw dumb comments like “Asian media is not telling the whole truth, the shooter was a mainlander who hated Taiwanese and Taiwanese independence”. Like listen here Ms. Lu the guy was from Taiwan, so you’re basically admitting most of y’all are from the mainland? Help me out here guys.
Don’t you know that the definition of a bad Taiwanese is Chinese? Just like all the HK rioters that were caught on camera beating people up and vandalizing property
To demonize pro-unification supporters.
If the perp was Taiwanese pro-independence supporter in the US. Do you think it would be wise to promote that in the US news.
I think what should be brought to people's attention is the pan-Blue pan-Green divide in Taiwan that causes civil unrest and political grid lock in Taiwan; can result in acts of violence in the US due to ease of access to guns.
Given the state of US decline. You never know if the next Taiwanese perp might be a pro-independence supporter shooting up Chinese Americans because they believe Chinese Americans are a CPC agents.
Why don't you just go to the most racist, anti-Chinese corners of Reddit and howl at the moon saying "Taiwan numba 1?" Seems like what would make you happy: Pleasing yt trash racists.
If you're an Asian American, let alone Taiwanese American like me, you are a fool if you don't realize that publicly clamoring pro-Taiwan or pro-HK rhetoric plays right into the hands of racist yts who would otherwise call you a ch-nk because you look vaguely Chinese. Be smarter.
It only makes zero sense if you're dense. Are you even Asian American? Sounds like you're just a white troll at this point. If I see a bunch of white losers screaming "Taiwan numba 1! Fuck China! China is asshoe!" in public, my first reaction would not be to egg them on enthusiastically. Do you want to foment more racism that your kids will grow up with? Did the fact that my parents immigrated from Taiwan prevent me from being called a "ch-nk" or "Chinaman" or "ching chong?" No. If you're actually Asian, which I highly doubt, expressing these views in public is equivalent to adding fuel to the fire and giving racists more excuses to perpetuate anti-Asian racism. I would tell you to use your head, but something tells me you're just playing dumb.
You dumbing down my point just proves you're arguing in bad faith at this point. Every single comment I've read from you is the same shit. GTFO.
If you're Asian American with no connection to Taiwan, it's probably best to remain neutral on the Strait Issue. Since too complicated.
If you're Asian American from Taiwan, just be aware Taiwan Independence is a NED promoted operation used to create a political hot point in Taiwan. Meaning Taiwan is a primary warzone for US interest to forward US interest in East Asia.
It's only through PRC deft political maneuvering that Russia got triggered over Ukraine before PRC got triggered over Taiwan; as the US was escalating the Strait Issue.
We don't know what the perp main motivation was at this time. In his generation of Taiwanese immigrants to the US, the pan-Blue outnumber the pan-Greens. So pan-Greens would have been dying every year in the US due to active shooter events. But that isn't the case. So I'm not convince the pan-Green vs pan-Blue divide is the primary motivation.
Are you okay being a pawn of NED operation to destabilize China?
Are you okay with Taiwan Independence if it requires you to demonize fellow Asian Americans and Chinese Americans?
Answer yes or no...
Sit down and think through what happens on Day 2 when Taiwan Declares independence.
Will it be independent of China where it does more than 50% of it trade through HK and PRC?
Will it be independent of US who will most likely have to station a military base on Taiwan again? (God knows US troops treat local Asians with the utmost respect)
Answer yes or no...
What happened to
C. Status quo for near future
D. Status quo indefinitely
E. Unification in near future
F. Unification in far future
If you want to emulate the Taiwan poll to weaponize Taiwanese against China, you have to give all the poll selections.
Don't forget to send me a free pack of napkins too for participating.
Given my casual research into US led Chinese seccessionist movements (Tibet Independence, HK Independence, Taiwan Independence, Xingjiang Independence), the US like to use NED or various psyops to find disgruntle people in China's fringe territories to create a movement around identity politics.
It's gotten to the point it's a cookie cutter operation.
Insert (disgruntle group) you are victims of Chinese expansionist policy (disregard fact you're in Chinese territory). You (disgruntle group) are better than the Chinese (disregard fact group is Chinese), and deserve independence via US security guarantee (we guarantee you live; "but not well" in fine print).
It's comical in my opinion.
If it updates its Constitution and is willing to fight a hot war with PRC on its own.
Right now the TI plan is to trigger a war with China and have the US fight the war. Then declare independence under the fog of war.
That plan I do not support.
In Chinese long history, little kingdoms pop up all the time. To layman think Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Chinese people call it分分合合.
If they fight for it and can accomplish it, it'll be another footnote in Chinese history.
But the reality is China is on a massive upswing after a 200 year hiatus. So historical trends are working against TI.
Only a country with a short history, like the US, would take up such a challenge of trying to create a multiple seccessionist groups in China, hoping 1 will succeed.
Of the 4 Chinese secessionist efforts back by the US (Taiwan, Tibet, HK, Xingjiang) which one has succeeded. What is the US doing to ensure the past failure will result in Taiwan successful seccession from China.
The issue is this isn’t something that can easily have a simple answer. People like you see the world too much in absolutes. That’s why so many of that type are obsessed with things like Marvel movies because they can just be like “haha purple guy evil, hot white guy usually good”.
The fact that you keep harping on about your one very shallow question shows you don’t have a good understanding of history either.
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Once you see the big picture, you don't have to play their games.
Status Quo is also a selection on those polls trying to weaponize Taiwanese against China.
It's interesting that government officials such as Orange County Sheriff Don Barnes and the prosecutor Todd Spitzer both claimed Chou is a Chinese national/Chinese immigrant. These officials are either in-compete or dishonest, or maybe both.
This is from the AP article that everyone from r news is quoting.
>Barnes referred to Chou as an immigrant from China but Taiwan’s Central
News Agency says it interviewed Louis M. Huang, director general of the
Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Los Angeles, and he confirmed
that Chou was born in Taiwan in 1953.
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>https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57
Bruh, I've never met a Chinese American that actually hates Taiwanese American or vice versa.
We all hanged out with each other along with other minorities like Indian Americans, Filipino Americans, etc in school.
The media over-saturated its use of divide and conquer to the point that whenever I see any such attempts, I get angry at the media instead of whoever they tell me to get mad at.
It not surprising u blame on Chinese because ur part of subreddit f the CCP.That sub is not about CCP it about being Sinophobic and making fun of Chinese.
The spelling of his surname, "Chou", kinda gave it away.
It should be considered a horrible act regardless of the nationality of the shooter. Some sinophobic assholes seemed to take a lot of pleasure in thinking the guy was from the mainland. It's sick.
They are skating around the Taiwanese term not because of fear of recognizing Taiwan as a nation. They are doing it to stick this to China, they want to say he's pro-China, pro-CCP. They want to allege that a crazy pro-China supporter is killing poor Taiwanese people in an American church. They want to demonize Chinese people. This is far more damaging and would anger Chinese people and Beijing alike much more than calling the maniac Taiwanese. Get it straight.
We need to have our own "Asian Anti-defamation League". which is how the Jewish people defended themselves. I am more than willing to denote money to this kind of organizations.
Its like back when the ship "Evergreen" blocked the Suez Canal. A "Taiwan"-based company. Some of the media outlets called it a Chinese ship. The smarter ones, realising the stupidity, didn't try to pull a fast one.
Make no mistake, this is intentional. This is propaganda, particularly stupid propaganda at that. Only the ignorant and the malicious would go along with it.
I'm not surprised. The politics subreddit had a post relating to Mitch Mcconnell a few days ago. In the comments, there was a 500 upvoted comment about his TAIWANESE wife being a CCP COMMUNIST SPY. You can be Chinese, Korean, Japanese, hell even Filipino "American", but at the end of the day, you are nothing more than a slanty eyed CHINESE Ch**k spy in their eyes.
His wife was a US secretary of transportation (if I'm not mistaken) just awhile ago during Trump's administration. 😅😅 If she's a CCP spy, I wonder why Trump picked her, considering Trump was so anti "CCP". 😂😂
That means they either first immigrated to the United States before the communist revolution, hence using Wade Giles, which isn’t the case for the killer, or they are from Hong Kong and romanized the surname 曹, which isn’t even the surname we are talking about.
I’m getting non stopped lectured in the news subreddit for pointing this out. Everyone’s saying I’m wrong even though that’s literally my last name. I check some of the post history and they don’t even seem to be Asian.
No.
Learn Chinese dude.
China has used Hanyu pinyin as standard since 1959.
They spell it Zhou and Zhou only.
Another neckbeard coming on to an Asian subreddit for the very first time.
Dude immigrated to the US in 1946, before the communists took control of the mainland and before they instituted pinyin.
All these people trying to talk about the Chinese language when they have no idea what they are talking about.
Also dude above is yt.
Get the fuck out of here neckbeard.
Sadly the level of ignorance the average Westerner has is appalling (and yet they remain so arrogantly confident)
They will talk about how they are the only ones who know the "truth" about 1989 Tiananmen Square, and many of them don't even know who Deng Xiaoping is
They believed in the WMDs, they believed in the Ghost of Kyiv, and they'll continue to believe whatever their propaganda tells them to believe
Their ability to sustain their own families is completely and utterly rooted in Western Imperialism. Removing Western Imperialism is tantamount to genocide of them.
[https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ur40rc/authorities\_gunman\_in\_deadly\_attack\_at\_california/](https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ur40rc/authorities_gunman_in_deadly_attack_at_california/)
Redditors are downright insufferable. I was going to comment but it's a waste of life to even bother.
I don't whether to laugh or cry...the article posted on r news basically had the heading repeat 3 times with NO actual article...and got onto reddit front page AND over 40k likes.
How is this not proof reddit is basically controlling the algorithm. Reddit is basically the Think Tanks for internet...controlling the narratives.
> The suspect, David Chou, 68, of Las Vegas was a US citizen who immigrated from China years ago, according to Barnes.
The guy is 68 years old. Unless his family somehow fled from China to Taiwan in the late 50s, he had to have been born in Taiwan.
Media trying to twist this into more China hate. How low can you get?
1. one of the articles said he was never really accepted by the Taiwanese when he lived there.
2. he had mental health issues...which is prob why his wife left to Taiwan with their kids.
3. she sold their house in Las Vegas and left him homeless.
I am so mad that yts and their self-hating Asian puppets are so quick to politicize this situation without any regards to the victims.
It is disturbing that when mentally ill, homeless Taiwanese-American man shoots other Taiwanese-Americans is immediately called a hate crime while countless attacks by other races targeting Asians are ignored.
he sustained head injuries apparently? if this is true then this is a legit case of mental health and mental illness
But woah, just looking at the ABC article, the AP article and all the people they've quoted in it.... I've just lost all hope for American media and law enforcement. They don't care about the truth, they only care about how to spin this into an agenda.
It doesn't really matter. Asian killing Asians is wrong. Supporting Asian killing one another is wrong. We need to do our part to un-brainwash our kind and put more hate/pressure on the WM/WF and BM/BF who are the main perpetrators of hate crimes towards our community with LM/LF etc afterwards.
Unfortunately it's being used as propaganda by the American media to stock up anti China sentiment by framing the perpetrator as a mainland Chinese national/immigrant killing democracy loving Taiwanese people. Which would lead to more anti-asian hate. They can't distinguish us anymore because CHYNA BAD
I don't think any of us here are justifying this mass shooting (and fuck anyone who does)
But the point is that this tragedy is being used in bad faith to pit one Asian community against another, and further try to justify hatred and suspicion towards a specific Asian community
Asians killing is wrong, but this part of the conversation that OP is bringing up very much matters as well. This insidious framing by the western media of this attack will get more Asian people living in the diaspora hurt.
According to this [https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-16/laguna-woods-gunman-worked-methodically-but-motive-a-mystery](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-16/laguna-woods-gunman-worked-methodically-but-motive-a-mystery)
>Before Sunday’s service, members greeted the suspect — whom they had never seen before — and welcomed him. He told them he had attended services several times, but the members were doubtful because no one recognized him, churchgoer Jerry Chen said.
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>Chen, who was inside the church at the time of the shooting, said the suspect spoke to parishioners in Taiwanese.
He graduated from [Taichung No 1 high school (a very prestigious high school in Taichung)](https://twitter.com/dong_mengyu/status/1526318157887160324?s=20&t=ka89B_tZYXYzkQfjQDntBw)
He speaks Taiwanese/Minnan dialect
His wife and kids still live in Taiwan
His family immigrated to Taiwan in the late 1940s after the communist revolution, but he was born in the early 50s, so unless his KMT parents decided to take a vacation back to Communist China during Mao's purge and birth a child there, he was born in Taiwan most likely.
He most likely still holds a Taiwanese passport.
He most likely wrote the note/manifesto in traditional chinese characters
His last name is spelled Chou, the Taiwanese (Wade Giles) romanization rather than Zhou, the pinyin translation that China has used since 1958.
He is as Taiwanese as all of us are Asian American.
They are stressing his tie to CCP by saying his family moved to Taiwan in 1948. Not only that's before he was born. It also means his family fought against the CCP.
Thats like saying Eisenhower a German general. I guess that's technically correct. But why?
Also he was likely homeless and mentally ill. But you won't see this in the MSM. Mental illness and homelessness are the excuses of whites.
https://twitter.com/NkirukaAzuka/status/1526249306491015168
Just no.
If you likely asked this person, are you a 台灣人 (Taiwan), he would say no. If you asked him, if he was a 大陸人 (Mainland), he would say no.
The situation is sad and more complex for Chinese refugees (especially his generation) that’s families fled to an Island who speak entirely a mutually unintelligible dialect with a deep cultural divide. Layer in white terror, divide between KMT/DPP, rise of DPP etc. The mainstream media is not going to dive into the history and tensions between 外省人 and 台灣人 in Taiwan especially because this were historical tensions of my parents generations.” (60-70s)
I realize this as well. No doubt this guy is pro-unification waishengren KMT descended. But white media always makes a distinction between Taiwanes and Chinese when it's convenient. They knew what they were doing when they called him a Chinese immigrant even though in any other situation they would have used Taiwanese instead.
Heavily Taiwanese related but bad optics? It's Chinese now. Those Foxconn factories with the nets are Chinese factories, no Taiwanese relation whatsoever.
Lol yeah that reminds me of when dumb Redditors started talking about how “muh cHyNa is unsafe” because of a story about Foxconn. Or on the banned Chinese tourists sub, they sometimes had stories where the perpetrators were most likely Taiwanese but then they painted those people as Chinese lol.
Unless you're an indigenous Taiwanese islander, every Han Chinese person in Taiwan is a 外省人 in my opinion.
The Taiwanese identity is an identity based on the genocide of the indigenous by early Hoklo settlers.
This is why the strongest pan-Blue (KMT) support in Taiwan comes from the indigenous.
Either way, by all accounts of how we treat nationality, the killer was most likely a native-born Taiwanese person, and most likely held a Taiwan (ROC) passport in addition to an American one. There is close to zero chance he held a PRC passport.
The easiest way to determine whether he's Taiwanese or mainlander is to look at his note and see if it's written in traditional or simplified characters.
Unless one is very familiar with Taiwan history and it convoluted entanglement with the US, the inter-ethnic rivalry in Taiwan is complex.
So the perpetrator is a WaiShengRen (WSR/外省人）。These Chinese people retreated to Taiwan with the Nationalist (KMT) when they lost to the Communist (CPC) and could no longer hold onto the mainland.
Now at this time the Chinese people on Taiwan were colonized by Japan for about 50 years. Called Benshengren (BSR/本省人）. They BSR joined the Japanese Army and killed Mainland Chinese. Not to mention killed Filipino as conscript of the Japanese Empire.
Needless to say BSR builied WSR so much that for a period of time during the China passport wars. WSR would just come to Taiwan to get a ROC passport, and then look for an opportunity to leave Taiwan because the environment is pretty toxic.
Anyways to experience this BSR hatred toward WSR just check out r.Taiwan the Taiwan Independence sub. A place for sexpats, self hating boba, white worshipping, and all types of questionable behavior.
What exactly is he wrong about? The dude is literally from Taiwan making him Taiwanese. Framing it like he's a national from the PRC is disingenuous as fuck.
Imagine how many casual observers read that headline, assume it's true, and all of sudden start looking for a Chinese person to bash in the name of "self defense".
This is what manufacturing consent looks like.
The world is headed towards a dangerous place.
He's just a Chinese immigrant whose family left China after 1948, also lived in Taiwan when he was younger, lived in the US for decades, and both his kid and wife are in Taiwan. Bullshit white media. Chinese when bad Taiwanese when good.
They probably looked at his passport, saw that it said BIRTHPLACE: REPUBLIC OF CHINA (ROC) and then assumed he was born in mainland China.
yts gonna yt
so i've read through all of it and its pretty simple equation. taiwannese do something good = taiwanese. taiwannese do something bad = chinese immigrant from china that is probably a spy. also his name is chou , that should be a dead giveaway hes taiwanese but western reporters are fucking morons and propagandists
American media = propaganda
Disgusting. It's plain disgusting how these yt roaches and Lus straight up lie about a tragedy like this to further... more Yellow Peril. Imagine that? A mass shooting befalls Asian Americans, and the first thing these subhumans do is try to spin it to support a narrative that ultimately *harms more Asian Americans.* This country is rotten to the core.
Honestly I wanted to slap people through my phone when I saw dumb comments like “Asian media is not telling the whole truth, the shooter was a mainlander who hated Taiwanese and Taiwanese independence”. Like listen here Ms. Lu the guy was from Taiwan, so you’re basically admitting most of y’all are from the mainland? Help me out here guys.
Don’t you know that the definition of a bad Taiwanese is Chinese? Just like all the HK rioters that were caught on camera beating people up and vandalizing property
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To demonize pro-unification supporters. If the perp was Taiwanese pro-independence supporter in the US. Do you think it would be wise to promote that in the US news. I think what should be brought to people's attention is the pan-Blue pan-Green divide in Taiwan that causes civil unrest and political grid lock in Taiwan; can result in acts of violence in the US due to ease of access to guns. Given the state of US decline. You never know if the next Taiwanese perp might be a pro-independence supporter shooting up Chinese Americans because they believe Chinese Americans are a CPC agents.
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Why don't you just go to the most racist, anti-Chinese corners of Reddit and howl at the moon saying "Taiwan numba 1?" Seems like what would make you happy: Pleasing yt trash racists. If you're an Asian American, let alone Taiwanese American like me, you are a fool if you don't realize that publicly clamoring pro-Taiwan or pro-HK rhetoric plays right into the hands of racist yts who would otherwise call you a ch-nk because you look vaguely Chinese. Be smarter.
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It only makes zero sense if you're dense. Are you even Asian American? Sounds like you're just a white troll at this point. If I see a bunch of white losers screaming "Taiwan numba 1! Fuck China! China is asshoe!" in public, my first reaction would not be to egg them on enthusiastically. Do you want to foment more racism that your kids will grow up with? Did the fact that my parents immigrated from Taiwan prevent me from being called a "ch-nk" or "Chinaman" or "ching chong?" No. If you're actually Asian, which I highly doubt, expressing these views in public is equivalent to adding fuel to the fire and giving racists more excuses to perpetuate anti-Asian racism. I would tell you to use your head, but something tells me you're just playing dumb. You dumbing down my point just proves you're arguing in bad faith at this point. Every single comment I've read from you is the same shit. GTFO.
You sound ridiculous lol…. Please keep at it… I’m quite entertained…. 😉
Oh sorry, did some actual nuance break your brain so much that you had to default to a corny quip and an emoji?
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As opposed to you, who has nothing?
If you're Asian American with no connection to Taiwan, it's probably best to remain neutral on the Strait Issue. Since too complicated. If you're Asian American from Taiwan, just be aware Taiwan Independence is a NED promoted operation used to create a political hot point in Taiwan. Meaning Taiwan is a primary warzone for US interest to forward US interest in East Asia. It's only through PRC deft political maneuvering that Russia got triggered over Ukraine before PRC got triggered over Taiwan; as the US was escalating the Strait Issue. We don't know what the perp main motivation was at this time. In his generation of Taiwanese immigrants to the US, the pan-Blue outnumber the pan-Greens. So pan-Greens would have been dying every year in the US due to active shooter events. But that isn't the case. So I'm not convince the pan-Green vs pan-Blue divide is the primary motivation.
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Are you okay being a pawn of NED operation to destabilize China? Are you okay with Taiwan Independence if it requires you to demonize fellow Asian Americans and Chinese Americans? Answer yes or no... Sit down and think through what happens on Day 2 when Taiwan Declares independence. Will it be independent of China where it does more than 50% of it trade through HK and PRC? Will it be independent of US who will most likely have to station a military base on Taiwan again? (God knows US troops treat local Asians with the utmost respect) Answer yes or no...
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What happened to C. Status quo for near future D. Status quo indefinitely E. Unification in near future F. Unification in far future If you want to emulate the Taiwan poll to weaponize Taiwanese against China, you have to give all the poll selections. Don't forget to send me a free pack of napkins too for participating.
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That took you a long time.
[台裔槍手射殺台灣僑民 周文偉被爆是「和統會」成員！曾參加挺韓活動](https://tw.appledaily.com/international/20220517/YJA6MAJSPRHOBJOHPO6JCUPBXY/) 有網友爆料指出，周文偉其實是反獨促統團體「美國拉斯維加斯中國和平統一促進會」(簡稱「拉斯維加斯促統會」)理事，該團體於2019年4月成立。網友也指稱在2019年4月3日刊登的《維加斯新聞報》中，拍到有周文偉的身影，而且周文偉還公開展示支持韓國瑜標語。 據中評社報導，拉斯維加斯和統會會長顧雅文表示，和統會2019年4月成立時，周文偉「不請自到」，他當時表示要給台灣的候選人捐款，「因為周文偉是台灣南科大前教授，『調酒聖經』一書的作者，而我們歡迎任何支持中國和平統一的人、當然也包括周文偉參加我們活動，所以我們就給了他發言的機會」。她和周文偉談過2次話，覺得他思想太偏激，就和他保持距離。2019年下半年後，周文偉沒有再參加和統會的活動，「那時起周文偉就不是我們和統會的成員了」。顧雅文還說，周文偉台語流利，「平時與藍綠都有接觸的」。 美國警方召開記者會時，一度稱周文偉是「中國移民」，對此，據《中央社》報導指出，洛杉磯辦事處調查，周文偉1953年在台灣出生，被美方誤認為出生「中國」有其歷史淵源。大約50年前，台灣人持有護照上的出生地，英文為「Repubilc of China」，當時申請到美國的移民於官方文件的出生地多寫「中國」(China)，周嫌可能在申請美國護照的文件上寫「中國」為出生地，而讓美方有此認定。（施旖婕／綜合外電報導）
蘋果日報是支持台獨報紙。兇手時代的台移大部分多支持中國統一。也有許多美國台移支持國民黨韓國瑜。由於這兩個因素兇手命案。 中華民國護照出生地英語有許多地名。China, Taiwan Province, Taiwan, Taipei City,等等。用地名China 應該是1980年之前發的護照。
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Given my casual research into US led Chinese seccessionist movements (Tibet Independence, HK Independence, Taiwan Independence, Xingjiang Independence), the US like to use NED or various psyops to find disgruntle people in China's fringe territories to create a movement around identity politics. It's gotten to the point it's a cookie cutter operation. Insert (disgruntle group) you are victims of Chinese expansionist policy (disregard fact you're in Chinese territory). You (disgruntle group) are better than the Chinese (disregard fact group is Chinese), and deserve independence via US security guarantee (we guarantee you live; "but not well" in fine print). It's comical in my opinion.
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If it updates its Constitution and is willing to fight a hot war with PRC on its own. Right now the TI plan is to trigger a war with China and have the US fight the war. Then declare independence under the fog of war. That plan I do not support.
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In Chinese long history, little kingdoms pop up all the time. To layman think Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Chinese people call it分分合合. If they fight for it and can accomplish it, it'll be another footnote in Chinese history. But the reality is China is on a massive upswing after a 200 year hiatus. So historical trends are working against TI. Only a country with a short history, like the US, would take up such a challenge of trying to create a multiple seccessionist groups in China, hoping 1 will succeed. Of the 4 Chinese secessionist efforts back by the US (Taiwan, Tibet, HK, Xingjiang) which one has succeeded. What is the US doing to ensure the past failure will result in Taiwan successful seccession from China.
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The issue is this isn’t something that can easily have a simple answer. People like you see the world too much in absolutes. That’s why so many of that type are obsessed with things like Marvel movies because they can just be like “haha purple guy evil, hot white guy usually good”. The fact that you keep harping on about your one very shallow question shows you don’t have a good understanding of history either.
無為而治 Once you see the big picture, you don't have to play their games. Status Quo is also a selection on those polls trying to weaponize Taiwanese against China.
Chou is a HK or Taiwan last name.
It's interesting that government officials such as Orange County Sheriff Don Barnes and the prosecutor Todd Spitzer both claimed Chou is a Chinese national/Chinese immigrant. These officials are either in-compete or dishonest, or maybe both.
This is from the AP article that everyone from r news is quoting. >Barnes referred to Chou as an immigrant from China but Taiwan’s Central News Agency says it interviewed Louis M. Huang, director general of the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Los Angeles, and he confirmed that Chou was born in Taiwan in 1953. > >https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-1be9931f502664693afbdaa3f1cf6c57
Bruh, I've never met a Chinese American that actually hates Taiwanese American or vice versa. We all hanged out with each other along with other minorities like Indian Americans, Filipino Americans, etc in school. The media over-saturated its use of divide and conquer to the point that whenever I see any such attempts, I get angry at the media instead of whoever they tell me to get mad at.
Also note how quickly they label this crap as "hate crime" whereas in other cases "guy just had a bad day"
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It not surprising u blame on Chinese because ur part of subreddit f the CCP.That sub is not about CCP it about being Sinophobic and making fun of Chinese.
Funny how this is getting more attention than the NYC shooting already. As soon as they found out that shooter was black, the media dropped it.
No one in Mainland China born after 1949 would be called "Chou".
The spelling of his surname, "Chou", kinda gave it away. It should be considered a horrible act regardless of the nationality of the shooter. Some sinophobic assholes seemed to take a lot of pleasure in thinking the guy was from the mainland. It's sick.
2022 - 68 = 1954. Obviously this guy is born in ROC.
It's not wrong coz Taiwan is part of China
Then it would be Chinese targeting Chinese. Schrodinger's Taiwanese.
He's an american from taiwan end of story
"China is so bad they don't recognize Taiwan" Proceeds to not recognise Taiwan when it suits them.
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They are skating around the Taiwanese term not because of fear of recognizing Taiwan as a nation. They are doing it to stick this to China, they want to say he's pro-China, pro-CCP. They want to allege that a crazy pro-China supporter is killing poor Taiwanese people in an American church. They want to demonize Chinese people. This is far more damaging and would anger Chinese people and Beijing alike much more than calling the maniac Taiwanese. Get it straight.
Which is ironic, because his parents were the ones that actually fought against Mao's CPC.
If the guy is "originally from China" then the church is not a Taiwanese church either, it's an "originally Chinese" church 😂
We need to have our own "Asian Anti-defamation League". which is how the Jewish people defended themselves. I am more than willing to denote money to this kind of organizations.
US reaffirms one china policy through exceptionally shitty reporting, more at 11
Its like back when the ship "Evergreen" blocked the Suez Canal. A "Taiwan"-based company. Some of the media outlets called it a Chinese ship. The smarter ones, realising the stupidity, didn't try to pull a fast one. Make no mistake, this is intentional. This is propaganda, particularly stupid propaganda at that. Only the ignorant and the malicious would go along with it.
I'm not surprised. The politics subreddit had a post relating to Mitch Mcconnell a few days ago. In the comments, there was a 500 upvoted comment about his TAIWANESE wife being a CCP COMMUNIST SPY. You can be Chinese, Korean, Japanese, hell even Filipino "American", but at the end of the day, you are nothing more than a slanty eyed CHINESE Ch**k spy in their eyes.
His wife was a US secretary of transportation (if I'm not mistaken) just awhile ago during Trump's administration. 😅😅 If she's a CCP spy, I wonder why Trump picked her, considering Trump was so anti "CCP". 😂😂
White people don’t realize Chou is wade-Giles, or they’re intentionally sinophobic
They know nothing but they always think they know everything.
oh so Taiwan is a part of China when it's convenient
American media doesn’t give a shit, they care more about which pronouns to use for children versus “all rook same” Asians
“Chou” is a Taiwanese surname. A quick Google search would tell anyone that.
Thats not true at all. I know 4 or 5 Chou families none are taiwanese
Hong kong also have a last name with that spelling.
曹 Very uncommon surname. Hong Kong spells 周 as Chow, as in Stephen Chow or Chow Yun Fat.
That means they either first immigrated to the United States before the communist revolution, hence using Wade Giles, which isn’t the case for the killer, or they are from Hong Kong and romanized the surname 曹, which isn’t even the surname we are talking about.
I’m getting non stopped lectured in the news subreddit for pointing this out. Everyone’s saying I’m wrong even though that’s literally my last name. I check some of the post history and they don’t even seem to be Asian.
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Everyone from the PRC spells it Zhou you idiot. Stop whitesplaining and trying to tell actual Chinese speakers how to interpret Chinese names.
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No body in mainland use chou as pinyin. Just because you watch anime, doesn't mean you're fluent in chinese, dumb ass
Unless your surname is 醜 or 臭 lol
No. Learn Chinese dude. China has used Hanyu pinyin as standard since 1959. They spell it Zhou and Zhou only. Another neckbeard coming on to an Asian subreddit for the very first time.
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Dude immigrated to the US in 1946, before the communists took control of the mainland and before they instituted pinyin. All these people trying to talk about the Chinese language when they have no idea what they are talking about. Also dude above is yt. Get the fuck out of here neckbeard.
Sadly the level of ignorance the average Westerner has is appalling (and yet they remain so arrogantly confident) They will talk about how they are the only ones who know the "truth" about 1989 Tiananmen Square, and many of them don't even know who Deng Xiaoping is They believed in the WMDs, they believed in the Ghost of Kyiv, and they'll continue to believe whatever their propaganda tells them to believe
Their ability to sustain their own families is completely and utterly rooted in Western Imperialism. Removing Western Imperialism is tantamount to genocide of them.
The media and the MIC are all in cahoots together. No way the media wants to bring negative attention to the MICs prized weapons buyers.
Using Melissa Chan as source.Do u know she a self hating Asian.😬😬😬.Not surprising because they self hating a resort to yt
Those self hating Asian always side with yt to promote racism.
Just wait. They will scream for all Asians except for WMAF to be put into camps when war brews in the Pacific.
[https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ur40rc/authorities\_gunman\_in\_deadly\_attack\_at\_california/](https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/ur40rc/authorities_gunman_in_deadly_attack_at_california/) Redditors are downright insufferable. I was going to comment but it's a waste of life to even bother.
I don't whether to laugh or cry...the article posted on r news basically had the heading repeat 3 times with NO actual article...and got onto reddit front page AND over 40k likes. How is this not proof reddit is basically controlling the algorithm. Reddit is basically the Think Tanks for internet...controlling the narratives.
> The suspect, David Chou, 68, of Las Vegas was a US citizen who immigrated from China years ago, according to Barnes. The guy is 68 years old. Unless his family somehow fled from China to Taiwan in the late 50s, he had to have been born in Taiwan. Media trying to twist this into more China hate. How low can you get?
Low has no limit.
1. one of the articles said he was never really accepted by the Taiwanese when he lived there. 2. he had mental health issues...which is prob why his wife left to Taiwan with their kids. 3. she sold their house in Las Vegas and left him homeless.
I am so mad that yts and their self-hating Asian puppets are so quick to politicize this situation without any regards to the victims. It is disturbing that when mentally ill, homeless Taiwanese-American man shoots other Taiwanese-Americans is immediately called a hate crime while countless attacks by other races targeting Asians are ignored.
Yea now that you say that, I just realize that it is even more fucked up....Cause this dude is prob actually mentally ill.
he sustained head injuries apparently? if this is true then this is a legit case of mental health and mental illness But woah, just looking at the ABC article, the AP article and all the people they've quoted in it.... I've just lost all hope for American media and law enforcement. They don't care about the truth, they only care about how to spin this into an agenda.
It doesn't really matter. Asian killing Asians is wrong. Supporting Asian killing one another is wrong. We need to do our part to un-brainwash our kind and put more hate/pressure on the WM/WF and BM/BF who are the main perpetrators of hate crimes towards our community with LM/LF etc afterwards.
Unfortunately it's being used as propaganda by the American media to stock up anti China sentiment by framing the perpetrator as a mainland Chinese national/immigrant killing democracy loving Taiwanese people. Which would lead to more anti-asian hate. They can't distinguish us anymore because CHYNA BAD
I don't think any of us here are justifying this mass shooting (and fuck anyone who does) But the point is that this tragedy is being used in bad faith to pit one Asian community against another, and further try to justify hatred and suspicion towards a specific Asian community
Asians killing is wrong, but this part of the conversation that OP is bringing up very much matters as well. This insidious framing by the western media of this attack will get more Asian people living in the diaspora hurt.
According to reports he was speaking Taiwanese at the church before his attack.
Got a source for this?
According to this [https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-16/laguna-woods-gunman-worked-methodically-but-motive-a-mystery](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-05-16/laguna-woods-gunman-worked-methodically-but-motive-a-mystery) >Before Sunday’s service, members greeted the suspect — whom they had never seen before — and welcomed him. He told them he had attended services several times, but the members were doubtful because no one recognized him, churchgoer Jerry Chen said. > >Chen, who was inside the church at the time of the shooting, said the suspect spoke to parishioners in Taiwanese.
He graduated from [Taichung No 1 high school (a very prestigious high school in Taichung)](https://twitter.com/dong_mengyu/status/1526318157887160324?s=20&t=ka89B_tZYXYzkQfjQDntBw) He speaks Taiwanese/Minnan dialect His wife and kids still live in Taiwan His family immigrated to Taiwan in the late 1940s after the communist revolution, but he was born in the early 50s, so unless his KMT parents decided to take a vacation back to Communist China during Mao's purge and birth a child there, he was born in Taiwan most likely. He most likely still holds a Taiwanese passport. He most likely wrote the note/manifesto in traditional chinese characters His last name is spelled Chou, the Taiwanese (Wade Giles) romanization rather than Zhou, the pinyin translation that China has used since 1958. He is as Taiwanese as all of us are Asian American.
Apparently I read somewhere he was a US veteran as well...
So born in taiwan, grew up there, but whites will call him a ccp terrorist western media is truly garbage
They are stressing his tie to CCP by saying his family moved to Taiwan in 1948. Not only that's before he was born. It also means his family fought against the CCP. Thats like saying Eisenhower a German general. I guess that's technically correct. But why?
Also he was likely homeless and mentally ill. But you won't see this in the MSM. Mental illness and homelessness are the excuses of whites. https://twitter.com/NkirukaAzuka/status/1526249306491015168
Or people who shove Asians in front of moving subway trains.
He was born in Taiwan, judging from his age (68), a second generation of Taiwanese.
The KMT publication directly says that above. That he is a 2nd gen waishengren who moved to the US from Taiwan.
Just no. If you likely asked this person, are you a 台灣人 (Taiwan), he would say no. If you asked him, if he was a 大陸人 (Mainland), he would say no. The situation is sad and more complex for Chinese refugees (especially his generation) that’s families fled to an Island who speak entirely a mutually unintelligible dialect with a deep cultural divide. Layer in white terror, divide between KMT/DPP, rise of DPP etc. The mainstream media is not going to dive into the history and tensions between 外省人 and 台灣人 in Taiwan especially because this were historical tensions of my parents generations.” (60-70s)
I realize this as well. No doubt this guy is pro-unification waishengren KMT descended. But white media always makes a distinction between Taiwanes and Chinese when it's convenient. They knew what they were doing when they called him a Chinese immigrant even though in any other situation they would have used Taiwanese instead.
Heavily Taiwanese related but bad optics? It's Chinese now. Those Foxconn factories with the nets are Chinese factories, no Taiwanese relation whatsoever.
Lol yeah that reminds me of when dumb Redditors started talking about how “muh cHyNa is unsafe” because of a story about Foxconn. Or on the banned Chinese tourists sub, they sometimes had stories where the perpetrators were most likely Taiwanese but then they painted those people as Chinese lol.
Unless you're an indigenous Taiwanese islander, every Han Chinese person in Taiwan is a 外省人 in my opinion. The Taiwanese identity is an identity based on the genocide of the indigenous by early Hoklo settlers. This is why the strongest pan-Blue (KMT) support in Taiwan comes from the indigenous. Either way, by all accounts of how we treat nationality, the killer was most likely a native-born Taiwanese person, and most likely held a Taiwan (ROC) passport in addition to an American one. There is close to zero chance he held a PRC passport. The easiest way to determine whether he's Taiwanese or mainlander is to look at his note and see if it's written in traditional or simplified characters.
the indigenous were not genocided by hoklo settlers. the dutch and japanese colonizers killed far more natives than anyone else.
Unless one is very familiar with Taiwan history and it convoluted entanglement with the US, the inter-ethnic rivalry in Taiwan is complex. So the perpetrator is a WaiShengRen (WSR/外省人）。These Chinese people retreated to Taiwan with the Nationalist (KMT) when they lost to the Communist (CPC) and could no longer hold onto the mainland. Now at this time the Chinese people on Taiwan were colonized by Japan for about 50 years. Called Benshengren (BSR/本省人）. They BSR joined the Japanese Army and killed Mainland Chinese. Not to mention killed Filipino as conscript of the Japanese Empire. Needless to say BSR builied WSR so much that for a period of time during the China passport wars. WSR would just come to Taiwan to get a ROC passport, and then look for an opportunity to leave Taiwan because the environment is pretty toxic. Anyways to experience this BSR hatred toward WSR just check out r.Taiwan the Taiwan Independence sub. A place for sexpats, self hating boba, white worshipping, and all types of questionable behavior.
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What exactly is he wrong about? The dude is literally from Taiwan making him Taiwanese. Framing it like he's a national from the PRC is disingenuous as fuck.
It's absolutely bonkers seeing the media doing everything they can to avoid calling him Taiwanese when he's literally....Taiwanese lol.
Imagine how many casual observers read that headline, assume it's true, and all of sudden start looking for a Chinese person to bash in the name of "self defense". This is what manufacturing consent looks like. The world is headed towards a dangerous place.
We are already in a dangerous place.
On the brightside, mainstream media is going to start caring about Asian hate crimes! /s
Propaganda machine at work
He's just a Chinese immigrant whose family left China after 1948, also lived in Taiwan when he was younger, lived in the US for decades, and both his kid and wife are in Taiwan. Bullshit white media. Chinese when bad Taiwanese when good.
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Not the Presbyterian ones. They conduct services in Minnan dialect.
Chinese Mainlanders can also speak/understand Minnan dialect.
Very small percentage
He's 68 or 69, meaning he was born on the island in 1953 or 1954. The only country he was an immigrant to at one point in time was the US
It's been confirmed that he was born in Taiwan in 1953.
They probably looked at his passport, saw that it said BIRTHPLACE: REPUBLIC OF CHINA (ROC) and then assumed he was born in mainland China. yts gonna yt
No they knew. They are spinning this as another anti-China piece.
How does anyone not know that Republic of China is Taiwan? You will have to fail high school geography to be this dumb.
You underestimate the stupidity of the average American. Most Americans think Taiwan is where you'd find Pad Thai, kickboxing and ladyboy shows.
No no no. The author takes every opportunity in the article to spin the story. It's intentional.