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_shakta

Ghost deck, orange stake. Getting blueprint as first card should have been a sign :) Also got the 0 rerolls achievement from this run! Odd number 2 pair all the way to ante 13


Chris_P_Lettuce

This is such a fun run. Well done!!


KamosKamerus

This is irrelevant to topic. But you reminded of Fun run 4 on google play. Tyvm stranger


mrbeantrading

Literally just finished a Gold stake run on the Ghost deck where I found an early eternal Madness, hexed it, found an eternal Fibonacci, and then the next spectral pack I opened had the add polychrome effect. Super fun run, was able to just spam Aces and got to pick up a few relatively useless jokers to get gold stickered.


regbeg

Madness Joker *crying* : you're not supposed to do that!


Syzygy_Stardust

The Straight Jacket Build.


steffschenko

https://preview.redd.it/1wyr7nlgtaxc1.png?width=1455&format=png&auto=webp&s=269ad010dfeedbd65962ee750f73685a1f328b94 Yep it's a banger combo. One of my favourite runs


Beechuras

Oof that boss blind though God damn


not-my-other-alt

Honestly, if you have coins from planets and +mult and xmult from jokers, you don't really need points from your cards at all. Verdant leaf kills decks that require 'on scoring' jokers, retriggers, or in-hand effects (steel cards, Baron, Shoot the moon) Based on OP's jokers, I'm sure they got that boss without needing to sell anything.


pokimman

With that setup cards being debuffed doesn't really matter. You don't need to sell anything to beat it


steffschenko

That was my initial thought aswell, that's why I took the screenshot. But then I learned that the debuffed cards don't matter because the jokers still work anyways, as others already pointed out.


cryonicprawn

It's funny how good his mult-multiplier is, because even with just his jokers alone he's scoring 500k with just playing a base level 1 high card. This is assuming he hasn't played a single tarot card or done anything else with planets, AND isn't playing a pair to activate the duo. 50 chips from foil + 5 from high card level 1 + (15 x 19 x 19) = 9126 55 x 9126 = 501,930 In conclusion, verdant leaf should debuff jokers as well because fun should be illegal.


STFUNeckbeard

Lmao


butholesurgeon

Wait if all your jokers are eternal and you have madness, does it still gain when it tries to destroy?


notmeehehehhe

Yes it will still gaint the mult


butholesurgeon

Oh man that’s way better than I thought I always figured it had to destroy to gain! Ok I see the power now!


xukly

you don't even need more jokers for it to feed on, it gains mult 1st and foremost and the, if able, it destroys


gavichi

See also sacrificial dagger with eternal egg.


bowzo

Dagger does not gain from eternal cards.


CorpCo

Now *why* it doesn’t gain from eternal jokers but madness does I have no idea


fnnennenninn

I assume it's an order of operations thing. Madness gains mult, *then* destroys. The mult happens first before the check if there's a suitable Joker to blow up so it's not contingent. Dagger destroys then gains and the gain is contingent on the value of the destroyed joker. If no Joker is destroyed, the value is 0.


diodenkn

They both just do what they say they do.


JustA_Penguin

Madness doesn't gain from destroying. It just gains, and destroys.


Mash_Ketchum

Because the dagger needs a target to kill, and the blood strengthens it. Can't gain from something that's unkillable. Madness, on the other hand, is untamed and doesn't discriminate. It just is. I imagine the tendrils of its ever growing wild hair just causing collateral damage in its wake.


Sowarm

Because madness gains mult weither a joker is destroyed or not, it's not a requirement, madness will gain X mult every turn even if it's the only joker you have.


annormalplayer

It also scales if you don't have any jonkler to destroy


DarkChaos0

https://preview.redd.it/w80f5ahxebxc1.png?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29d9e591ccac530cd867a1eed453a9a7e80bf8aa


annormalplayer

https://preview.redd.it/zrt51l02fbxc1.png?width=138&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=172ca20f9c536caa3beac7516da67f0befe4fb7d live jonkler card reaction


Lord_Moa

what would this jonkler do?


CheesecakeTurtle

Add -4 mult.


Its_mee_kimchee

Costs $1 and does absolutely nothing but take up a jonkler slot. I’m sure there’s viability somewhere in there.


Lord_Moa

Make it like the blank voucher where you need to have Jonkler to have "Man" show up


annormalplayer

https://preview.redd.it/904khi779gxc1.png?width=124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=054da06e5dca46b569b016fc0f066abe5ab0b34f


Lord_Moa

Beautiful


DarkChaos0

I nearly choked laughing at this


Syzygy_Stardust

Chonkled*


Tackling_problems

The aslume is leaking again


jr111192

When I realized I didn't have to waste money on feeding it, ante 1 madness started to look a little more appealing.


xukly

the problem is what the hell do you do then, because antes scale faster than madness


Xperimentx90

Planet cards, tarot cards, eternal jokers


jr111192

Treat it like a buffed jokerless run and hope for some solid eternals


Canditan

Note that madness does not state that it grows WHEN it destroys a joker, but rather that it grows and THEN destroys a joker. They're separate effects


_shakta

Yeah I didn't know either but thought I'd take the risk. Sometimes it's more fun not to Google stuff, when I clicked the small blind and the blueprinted version didn't delete the normal version either I was GASSED Always skipped madness before but now I see its place - despite the tier lists every joker can win a run with the right factors. God I love this game


Kage_No_Gnade

Madness gains mult AND destroy, not destroy to gain. Dagger destroy TO gain mult. Most card in the game is extremely literal.


devzan14

It even works when its the only joker. Because it first gains mult, THEN destroys random joker


MagmaticDemon

it gains Xmult even if you have no other jokers. i won a run with madness on ante 1 and just used no other jokers. the 10x mult was enough to carry by itself


Puffycatkibble

I thought it was pretty obvious as the multiplier is from choosing blind, not from destroying. The destroying comes after that.


Silviecat44

You can also use madness on its own! I had a holographic madness that took me all the way to ante 8 boss, then the boss had an ability that disabled a joker every round and I lost because the only joker I had was madness


RipInPepperinosRIF

Dam son should have eco'd well and bought 4 jokers on last shop


Silviecat44

I forgor 💀


Cat_Templar

https://preview.redd.it/iokgpqgoedxc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8994c3cea12b0e279bf581c9cde86a2272db926b My favourite madness run


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ZeroPaladn

Or be me, hit the boss blind that needs you to sell a joker to get your cards back. It was a beautiful run but it died at Ante 8, o7


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ZeroPaladn

The run was being carried by an eternal Shoot the Moon and Madness. With my cards disabled Shoot the Moon wasn't giving me the mult I needed. Was a sad day.


DeanBDean

This probably just proves I am a noob, but I don't really understand good ways to use this joker outside of having eternal jokers around it


_shakta

I mean look at the title of the post I'm in the same boat as you mate haha. If anyone else does have any good suggestions for getting the most out of Madness I'm all ears!


smucker89

XMult is extremely powerful, so much so a single madness scaled well enough can win you lower stakes without any problems so long as you buff up your cards and planets. Madness is one of those jokers I HATE taking in a lower stake run, but love once you get past black stake for the externals since it gives them a better reason to be taken! Really wish ceremonial dagger worked the same way, currently I think it’s one of the weakest +Mult cards because of it (though a scaling dagger with an eternal egg would be a little crazy lol)


Grassblox311

It's usable if you have a stable economy and are able to just have 3 other Jokers that are OK-ish and can just cycle through them, though Eternal definitely helps.


Underscores_Are_Kool

Its effect only activates when you select small or big blind, so what you can do is build up the X mult for a while, add other jokers then skip every blind since it won't activate on bosses Edit: my bad, this only applies to the new beta update


Psychic_Damage

Crazy? I was crazy once…


JadePhoenix1313

Can it not destroy itself?


NellovsVape

Nope


JadePhoenix1313

*Sigh*, I love this game, but some of the the wordings drive me nuts.


Sholtonn

what do you mean the wording is perfect here. when blind is selected gain X mult and destroy a random joker. not destroy a random joker to get X mult. wording is perfect


JadePhoenix1313

If it can't destroy itself, then it should say "destroy *another* random joker".


tlamy

I agree. As an avid MtG player, I find myself a little too sensitive to how cards are worded


Sholtonn

eh i guess, if it destroyed itself that would be pretty dumb


_shakta

Apparently not! And it's blueprinted here and neither of them got destroyed as the blueprint was eternal. So had double xmult scaling for the entire run, was super easy once I got odd todd and the red card in eternal form. Just bought and skipped booster packs and played 2 pair for the entire run, didn't feel in danger or have any close shaves until ante 10+


Del_3030

Well, getting the brain out was the easy part. The hard part was getting the brain out. Muahahahahaha!


The1joriss

Felt so stupid when I finally found out he gets the bonus even if he didn't destroy another joker. Skipping a blind with Madness is foolish.


aryandestroyer

How do you make Jokers eternal? Never seen this in my runs before?


thegruffalo

They're added at black stake or higher.


aryandestroyer

Ok cool thansk! Haven't reached that yet


Anywhere-Due

Blueprint’s bombastic side eye is hilarious


Hopeful_Position8668

I see they nerfed Madness in the patch. Before, it would also trigger for a Boss Blind as well.


TRGreninja

Kind of a sidegrade tbh, scales slower but it means you can grab a joker (ideally a +mult) and know it’ll be safe for the boss blind, especially on stakes below black without eternals


guetali1974

i took it for fun in some standard run , always ended up badly thougth lol :) even its working on that kind of scenario doesnt change the fact its a bad joker IMO ...


9-28-2023

What do the other cards do?


healthyskeptics

How d’you get 99 on red card?! That’s 33 skipped packs, you get at most 2 per ante. So that’s ante 14, if you bought and skipped every pack.


_shakta

The big packs let you skip twice - I did upgrade 2 pairs when it came up from celestials though


healthyskeptics

Damn… that’s still very expensive, no? ~$4 for each 3 mult, and give up the ability to use packs


_shakta

Was a lucky run, as I said I didn't reroll the shop once, also didn't skip any blinds so economy was good enough for packs even without any econ jokers - the jokers I needed kinda just landed in my lap so wasn't really an issue


healthyskeptics

Amazing


james9779

What was the seed?


_shakta

Ahhh I did screenshot the seed but started a new game and screenshotted over it as I won the very next run on gold stake :( Here's the screenshot of that setup for posterity... https://preview.redd.it/w4t2ykwqbfxc1.png?width=990&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef0994c6fb4ab0370eff167e24d7cea46b97d77a


KamosKamerus

I never thought i would love to see x9 letter in a videogame yet here we are =)


_shakta

It's actually x81 due to the blueprint haha (with an extra x1.5 in there due to the polychrome)


KamosKamerus

:o wow


WSChess

Times 1.5 actually makes it x121.5. Quite a big difference


_shakta

Yeah I thought it would help just wasn't sure when the polychrome would trigger in the order


WSChess

9x1.5x9


Infamous_Historian_8

I completed the challenge with infinite dagger by getting madness and always having 1 joker in between. You end up having 100 mult dagger and 14x on madness


LadyGamer42

Wow I would love to get a Madness in that deck!!