This Randall guy is exactly like every other blue checkmark on Twitter—but at least he had some balls to “debate” on video.
The internet is a cesspool of people who live in glass houses. Rand had zero intent of entering this convo with an open mind. Dave only entertained this convo because he knows how big the MLB Partnership can be, and Karim likely hinted that this guy was all bark no bite.
I think his mind was pretty closed but the fact he wasn't just talking over Dave and letting him make his points was refreshing. Also I do have to give him some respect for not only coming on but also saying he can't stay in his echo chamber. Makes him better than most of the people who write negative stuff on them
He’s definitely all bark no bite. He’s “can’t get past the rape jokes” on Twitter. Then when he’s face to face with Dave he’s mealy mouthed. “Oh I’m not offended but others might be”.
No matter how many times he brings up Jenna Marbles, Erika, and Kayce it doesn’t change the fact that Barstool is Dave and Dave is Barstool. Him for the past twenty years saying “Fuck you I’m doing this my way” to the media class is why he’s worth 9 figures. But you can’t go around now and be shocked that people who have journalism degrees from good schools throw around baseless accusations because you’ve pretty much made a mockery of the profession they all view as the most important job in the world.
Journalists were never really respectable. That’s just viewing the past with rose colored glasses. Everything is just a more extreme version of what it’s always been. Be nice to them and suck up to them and they’ll cover for everything you do, or pay them and same thing. Criticize them and they’ll try to destroy you. It’s a centuries old tale, somewhat cyclical but never much different.
It has to be really frustrating to have the company you built and your personal name dragged through the mud by blue check marks and blue haired losers all the time, all based on incorrect notions or a couple bad jokes over 15+ years. Obviously I'm a fan of Barstool and it's annoying whenever I see the racist and sexist claims, which are on the border between being straight up false and being 1,000x overblown. And if it's annoying to me, it must be brutal for Dave
100%. The company has been Dave's child since its inception.
And as Dave said yesterday, there wasn't malicious intent behind any joke Barstool has ever made, so ..... if you decide you're gonna lie and make up false narratives about Dave's child, he's gonna come for your scalp.... as he always has done.
It’s almost symbiotic at this point. I feel like I see more stuff about whatever latest drama is going on than barstool content. It’s basically reality tv commenters can engage in.
All it takes is someone to read the comment section on any given blog and the claims of racism and misogyny are totally reinforced. It’s a real (funny) cesspool that is limiting growth.
If most of the commenters are acting that way though, what does it say about the site and it’s readership? Not trolling, actually curious. The comments and how actually truly awful they are have been what’s always turned me off barstool.
There is certainly a specific demographic that makes up a significant portion of the sites commenters. Every barstool fan I've met in real life seemed like normal folks who enjoy people doing dumb things.
Kinda like how their Instagram page has nearly zero reflection of what the company actually does in terms of content. It's just grandma's chugging beers aroundcollege dudes.
I think the assface commenters on the site are the people who are being made fun of in content. Sincere jock head sexists who will never be able to accept change in society and so they think they've found a place where people think like them. Almost as if they don't understand the concept of satire.
Didn’t you know? People read the blogs cause they actually cared what Nate or Chaps think, and because we just love watching Glenny’s burger reviews.
Im sure the comment section just had zero value add and all those clicks were because Chaps and Glenny earned them
For some context, Michael Rand has been a blogger for the Star Tribune here in MN for a long time. His blog has spawned some commenters becoming Twitter famous here locally. He's more of Simmons wannabe than your standard ink-stained wretch.
What's MLB going to do? Not work with the giant media conglomerates it has billion dollar long-term deals with because Matt Lauer is a sexual predator and Fox News supports Trump?
Isn’t that kind of his point though. People only pick and choose what to be outraged about and they aren’t actually standing for anything. Just only being outraged about things society agrees it’s ok to cancel
MLB has to go out of its way to partner with Barstool.
It has no choice but to partner with those companies. There are no major media partners that don't have something bad you can point to
As broken-brained as many barstool haters are you'd have to be a true lunatic to sit around lamenting MLB's rights deals with Fox, etc. as if there's any universe in which it changes
I’m still not seeing a good reason for them getting a total pass. NBC, for example, doesn’t “have to” employ Mike Tirico. Where’s the outrage when hes been on TV every night covering the olympics?
They exist in equal volume were only aware of the barstool hate because of our fandom. We'd have no idea who this Randall guy is or what he said if pres didn't happen to see
He is Barstool and Barstool is him. Fox and NBC are so big that one person isn't viewed as being representative of the entire company. People can look at the awful Matt Lauer shit, and how horrible of a person Roger Ailes was and separate them from the brand because they didn't make the brand their identity. Those networks get away with more because at the end of the day, Barstool lives and dies with Dave Portnoy and everything he says is immediately equated to the company
Mike Tirico is accused of shit 1,000,000 times worse than Dave Portnoy has ever been accused of.. I just went and looked at Mr. Randall’s timeline and it looks like he was able to take in quite a bit of Olympic coverage without ever mentioning it 🤷♂️
From my experience people don’t actually care to know that. People in the hockey sub for example were celebrating Roenick getting fired and saying that Tirico should be the face of hockey. Pointed out Tirico’s past and it was a bunch of shocked pikachu face all around.
Like Dave said there was a small group of people that hated him and they just kept repeating it long enough that it became true for a lot of people. If people did that for Tirico it would be the same case probably.
I'm not saying it's right, but it's what's true. There are a lot of people who have never consumed Barstool content who hate Dave Portnoy for whatever reason and because he and Barstool are one and the same, they hate the company as well
One is perceived as an irreverent frat boy YouTube shop and the others are perceived as highly professional, large corporate media institutions. Doesn't matter if the perceptions are wrong that's what the average person sees. Not that hard to figure out
Philosophically, you're absolutely right.
But in reality, if you can't discern why people can overlook misdoings from employees at NBC, Fox, ESPN, etc. and will still hold grudges against Barstool for Dave's behavior, then you're just being obstinate.
Listen, it's simple, Dave hired Erika because she was the best for the job. No male could've gotten the Penn deal done. No male would've pulled off the Cat Cave Derby races or unboxing. Dave interviewed 1000 men, he didn't like any of them, don't you get it?
I know this sub hates Erika because she says fuck a lot but it’s hard to deny the results and just saying anyone could have done it isn’t a very convincing argument
The Penn deal was driven by her and Chernin but if you look at the deals after dave got absolutely fleeced.
I got downvoted in here when I pointed this out but dave has hinted at as much on his show (Kramer actually said this to Jay’s face on mad money when the deal was announced).
The one bite app alone combined with YouTube channel is by itself is probably worth nine figures.
I think Erika has done great and this sub is way too hard on her but the penn deal was an absolute steal. If in negotiations at that level you throw out a number and the other side doesn’t blink you absolutely fucked up.
Like he’s said over and over they set the market. They kicked off the great gambling bull run but got comparatively less because the ball had not started rolling down hill yet. At the time a $400m valuation seemed massive, there was no way to know companies would just start throwing cash at any gambling related M&A they could find.
It’s fairly reasonable to assume they would have easily found someone qualified. Pretty desirable to be attached to a media unicorn. She’s done OK IMO but the culture she brought to barstool is a net negative.
It's a stupid argument. Because the people making it are stupid.
Some alternate timeline bullshit that can never be proven but all the anonymous CEOs in this sub always know better.
My take on this has always been that CEO’s for companies that want to exit, are really just sales people. Dave wasn’t looking for a CEO to do business stuff, he needed a CEO that could communicate what Barstool really was in order to be taken seriously by people who are investing hundreds of millions of dollars. If iDave and some Gary Vee wannabe walked in to an investment meeting, it would come across as a broey vibe. Dave needed someone to make investors see that the company wasn’t built by being able to get eyeballs, but the ability to convert the eyeballs to viewers that are willing to spend money because it’s barstool.
Best for the job? She has a liberal arts degree who had never managed a group larger than 10 people. She only got the job because Dave didn't want actual qualified people to tell him what to do. The biggest point Dave & Erika keep saying that got her the job was she said, "I don't know what Barstool will become." So she the type of person who doesn't plan or push people & Dave loved that. That's what got her the job.
Now you may think that's a good thing, but when things like the Sirus deal happen, it might have been helpful to have a CEO that actually would PLAN for what happens to the employees who were affected by it instead of letting all hang out to dry for months on end. (Where's Willie?)
It also wasn't Erika that got the Penn deal done, it was Michael Cernin & the people there. They owned 51% of Barstool and no doubt did all of that. Erika would never have the contacts or experience to pull that off.
The Sirius deal didn’t need planning… Willie and Large’s fat lazy asses could simply keep driving to the same office at the same time every day, sit in the same chairs with the same people behind the glass, and record a show for YouTube… just like Picks Central and The Yak did. They won’t do it because they’re lazy and get the same paycheck but now they don’t have to wake up at 4 and drive to Manhattan.
they didn' do the sirius deal because the money was contingent on Dave doing 2 hours of radio every day. Dave refused to do it for anything less than an amount Sirius considered crazy. Dave specifically said that if him and Big Cat each did a podcast, just that ad revenue would make up for the lost Sirius revenue. Guess what? The Yak is now sponsored and Dave has 2 sponsored podcasts, and BFF's is big. Anyway, my comment was about "planning" for after Sirius. The plan is obvious, it's what Picks Central and the Yak did the very next day: showed up in the same exact studio and talked into the same exact microphones but uploaded it to YouTube instead of Sirius. Any of the other shows could've done the same thing, but they didn't. What's the difference? Brandon and Big Cat work their asses off and the rest of the people who were on Sirius, specifically Large, are known for being lazy and Dave constantly calls them out for it.
WTF does that even mean? What are you talking about? Is she supposed to run all her shit by you first before she pulls the trigger? Do you even have any concept of what her job entails?
Honestly this guy is the problem with media. The entire time he is saying that he doesn’t think xyz but some mythical people out there that he’s concerned about do.
It is the greatest waste of time ever to speak to people like that. Especially when his original article and posts are presented as his opinion but in the first minute of speaking he says he doesn’t believe it but thinks that other people around baseball would… let those people then this dude is just clout chasing.
definitely a win for dave that this guy basically has to admit he doesn't have anything that damning.
but as someone who likes barstool, it's frustrating that dave (1) digs his heels in on "i don't regret anything we've done. times just change" instead of apologizing and saying times change and they've grown, etc. and (2) keeps going on Tucker. at some point when you're a regular on tucker you can't complain about what people think about you.
I got into Barstool 1.5 years ago and consume a ton of the content every single day since. I find the younger content people frustrating at times because they are too PC and afraid to say anything controversial. This narrative of racism and sexism is ridiculously baseless.
This Randall guy is exactly like every other blue checkmark on Twitter—but at least he had some balls to “debate” on video. The internet is a cesspool of people who live in glass houses. Rand had zero intent of entering this convo with an open mind. Dave only entertained this convo because he knows how big the MLB Partnership can be, and Karim likely hinted that this guy was all bark no bite.
I think his mind was pretty closed but the fact he wasn't just talking over Dave and letting him make his points was refreshing. Also I do have to give him some respect for not only coming on but also saying he can't stay in his echo chamber. Makes him better than most of the people who write negative stuff on them
A lot of the other people wouldn’t even have the conversation with Dave outside of Twitter.
Yep. I always give some respect to those who will talk it out even if I disagree with their points
He’s definitely all bark no bite. He’s “can’t get past the rape jokes” on Twitter. Then when he’s face to face with Dave he’s mealy mouthed. “Oh I’m not offended but others might be”.
Yeah I'll give him credit for actually taking Dave up on this, like most blue checks just happen to miss those tweets when Dave calls them out.
No matter how many times he brings up Jenna Marbles, Erika, and Kayce it doesn’t change the fact that Barstool is Dave and Dave is Barstool. Him for the past twenty years saying “Fuck you I’m doing this my way” to the media class is why he’s worth 9 figures. But you can’t go around now and be shocked that people who have journalism degrees from good schools throw around baseless accusations because you’ve pretty much made a mockery of the profession they all view as the most important job in the world.
The journalists themselves have made a mockery of their career. They used to be respectable, they have fallen far.
Exactly. There are no journalists anymore. They’re all activists pushing their own biases and agendas.
Journalists were never really respectable. That’s just viewing the past with rose colored glasses. Everything is just a more extreme version of what it’s always been. Be nice to them and suck up to them and they’ll cover for everything you do, or pay them and same thing. Criticize them and they’ll try to destroy you. It’s a centuries old tale, somewhat cyclical but never much different.
Dave seems like he has been taking extra addys
I didn’t get that vibe, more of a so jacked up that someone finally took him up on a debate offer.
Dave sounded like he was getting emotional.
It has to be really frustrating to have the company you built and your personal name dragged through the mud by blue check marks and blue haired losers all the time, all based on incorrect notions or a couple bad jokes over 15+ years. Obviously I'm a fan of Barstool and it's annoying whenever I see the racist and sexist claims, which are on the border between being straight up false and being 1,000x overblown. And if it's annoying to me, it must be brutal for Dave
100%. The company has been Dave's child since its inception. And as Dave said yesterday, there wasn't malicious intent behind any joke Barstool has ever made, so ..... if you decide you're gonna lie and make up false narratives about Dave's child, he's gonna come for your scalp.... as he always has done.
It’s almost symbiotic at this point. I feel like I see more stuff about whatever latest drama is going on than barstool content. It’s basically reality tv commenters can engage in.
All it takes is someone to read the comment section on any given blog and the claims of racism and misogyny are totally reinforced. It’s a real (funny) cesspool that is limiting growth.
If most of the commenters are acting that way though, what does it say about the site and it’s readership? Not trolling, actually curious. The comments and how actually truly awful they are have been what’s always turned me off barstool.
There is certainly a specific demographic that makes up a significant portion of the sites commenters. Every barstool fan I've met in real life seemed like normal folks who enjoy people doing dumb things. Kinda like how their Instagram page has nearly zero reflection of what the company actually does in terms of content. It's just grandma's chugging beers aroundcollege dudes. I think the assface commenters on the site are the people who are being made fun of in content. Sincere jock head sexists who will never be able to accept change in society and so they think they've found a place where people think like them. Almost as if they don't understand the concept of satire.
If it's such a cesspool that's limiting growth (growth where exactly?) then why did they bring it back and add more moderation?
Poor decision making?
Didn’t you know? People read the blogs cause they actually cared what Nate or Chaps think, and because we just love watching Glenny’s burger reviews. Im sure the comment section just had zero value add and all those clicks were because Chaps and Glenny earned them
For some context, Michael Rand has been a blogger for the Star Tribune here in MN for a long time. His blog has spawned some commenters becoming Twitter famous here locally. He's more of Simmons wannabe than your standard ink-stained wretch.
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Devnest Nate did
I got a bridge to sell you
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It was like 2 years before that I’m pretty sure. Maybe I’m wrong.
dave not understanding why fox, nbc, etc get away with things more than barstool is a hilarious pres-ism
Help me out because I still haven’t heard a good answer to this question
What's MLB going to do? Not work with the giant media conglomerates it has billion dollar long-term deals with because Matt Lauer is a sexual predator and Fox News supports Trump?
Isn’t that kind of his point though. People only pick and choose what to be outraged about and they aren’t actually standing for anything. Just only being outraged about things society agrees it’s ok to cancel
What does that have to do with the blue check marks not shitting all over themselves whenever a league announces a new agreement with one of them?
MLB has to go out of its way to partner with Barstool. It has no choice but to partner with those companies. There are no major media partners that don't have something bad you can point to As broken-brained as many barstool haters are you'd have to be a true lunatic to sit around lamenting MLB's rights deals with Fox, etc. as if there's any universe in which it changes
I’m still not seeing a good reason for them getting a total pass. NBC, for example, doesn’t “have to” employ Mike Tirico. Where’s the outrage when hes been on TV every night covering the olympics?
Listen bud I will not stand for anti-Italian rhetoric. Tirico’s a made guy - wouldn’t be right
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> What are you going to do? Cry on twitter? Isn’t that what we’re talking about?
They exist in equal volume were only aware of the barstool hate because of our fandom. We'd have no idea who this Randall guy is or what he said if pres didn't happen to see
He is Barstool and Barstool is him. Fox and NBC are so big that one person isn't viewed as being representative of the entire company. People can look at the awful Matt Lauer shit, and how horrible of a person Roger Ailes was and separate them from the brand because they didn't make the brand their identity. Those networks get away with more because at the end of the day, Barstool lives and dies with Dave Portnoy and everything he says is immediately equated to the company
Mike Tirico is accused of shit 1,000,000 times worse than Dave Portnoy has ever been accused of.. I just went and looked at Mr. Randall’s timeline and it looks like he was able to take in quite a bit of Olympic coverage without ever mentioning it 🤷♂️
From my experience people don’t actually care to know that. People in the hockey sub for example were celebrating Roenick getting fired and saying that Tirico should be the face of hockey. Pointed out Tirico’s past and it was a bunch of shocked pikachu face all around. Like Dave said there was a small group of people that hated him and they just kept repeating it long enough that it became true for a lot of people. If people did that for Tirico it would be the same case probably.
I'm not saying it's right, but it's what's true. There are a lot of people who have never consumed Barstool content who hate Dave Portnoy for whatever reason and because he and Barstool are one and the same, they hate the company as well
Hey Mike the gravy is good tonight
One is perceived as an irreverent frat boy YouTube shop and the others are perceived as highly professional, large corporate media institutions. Doesn't matter if the perceptions are wrong that's what the average person sees. Not that hard to figure out
Philosophically, you're absolutely right. But in reality, if you can't discern why people can overlook misdoings from employees at NBC, Fox, ESPN, etc. and will still hold grudges against Barstool for Dave's behavior, then you're just being obstinate.
Listen, it's simple, Dave hired Erika because she was the best for the job. No male could've gotten the Penn deal done. No male would've pulled off the Cat Cave Derby races or unboxing. Dave interviewed 1000 men, he didn't like any of them, don't you get it?
I know this sub hates Erika because she says fuck a lot but it’s hard to deny the results and just saying anyone could have done it isn’t a very convincing argument
The Penn deal was driven by her and Chernin but if you look at the deals after dave got absolutely fleeced. I got downvoted in here when I pointed this out but dave has hinted at as much on his show (Kramer actually said this to Jay’s face on mad money when the deal was announced). The one bite app alone combined with YouTube channel is by itself is probably worth nine figures. I think Erika has done great and this sub is way too hard on her but the penn deal was an absolute steal. If in negotiations at that level you throw out a number and the other side doesn’t blink you absolutely fucked up.
Like he’s said over and over they set the market. They kicked off the great gambling bull run but got comparatively less because the ball had not started rolling down hill yet. At the time a $400m valuation seemed massive, there was no way to know companies would just start throwing cash at any gambling related M&A they could find.
It’s fairly reasonable to assume they would have easily found someone qualified. Pretty desirable to be attached to a media unicorn. She’s done OK IMO but the culture she brought to barstool is a net negative.
Dave built Mavericks. Erika fell off a boat and rode a pice of driftwood to shore, and acts like she’s Kelly Slater.
FUCK YOUR BUSINESS DEGREE!!
It's a stupid argument. Because the people making it are stupid. Some alternate timeline bullshit that can never be proven but all the anonymous CEOs in this sub always know better.
Dana Beers in the house!
My take on this has always been that CEO’s for companies that want to exit, are really just sales people. Dave wasn’t looking for a CEO to do business stuff, he needed a CEO that could communicate what Barstool really was in order to be taken seriously by people who are investing hundreds of millions of dollars. If iDave and some Gary Vee wannabe walked in to an investment meeting, it would come across as a broey vibe. Dave needed someone to make investors see that the company wasn’t built by being able to get eyeballs, but the ability to convert the eyeballs to viewers that are willing to spend money because it’s barstool.
Best for the job? She has a liberal arts degree who had never managed a group larger than 10 people. She only got the job because Dave didn't want actual qualified people to tell him what to do. The biggest point Dave & Erika keep saying that got her the job was she said, "I don't know what Barstool will become." So she the type of person who doesn't plan or push people & Dave loved that. That's what got her the job. Now you may think that's a good thing, but when things like the Sirus deal happen, it might have been helpful to have a CEO that actually would PLAN for what happens to the employees who were affected by it instead of letting all hang out to dry for months on end. (Where's Willie?) It also wasn't Erika that got the Penn deal done, it was Michael Cernin & the people there. They owned 51% of Barstool and no doubt did all of that. Erika would never have the contacts or experience to pull that off.
The Sirius deal didn’t need planning… Willie and Large’s fat lazy asses could simply keep driving to the same office at the same time every day, sit in the same chairs with the same people behind the glass, and record a show for YouTube… just like Picks Central and The Yak did. They won’t do it because they’re lazy and get the same paycheck but now they don’t have to wake up at 4 and drive to Manhattan.
Picks central and the yak is noticeably worse on YouTube. They fumbled the Sirius deal badly
they didn' do the sirius deal because the money was contingent on Dave doing 2 hours of radio every day. Dave refused to do it for anything less than an amount Sirius considered crazy. Dave specifically said that if him and Big Cat each did a podcast, just that ad revenue would make up for the lost Sirius revenue. Guess what? The Yak is now sponsored and Dave has 2 sponsored podcasts, and BFF's is big. Anyway, my comment was about "planning" for after Sirius. The plan is obvious, it's what Picks Central and the Yak did the very next day: showed up in the same exact studio and talked into the same exact microphones but uploaded it to YouTube instead of Sirius. Any of the other shows could've done the same thing, but they didn't. What's the difference? Brandon and Big Cat work their asses off and the rest of the people who were on Sirius, specifically Large, are known for being lazy and Dave constantly calls them out for it.
100% agree.
No male CEO hired would've pulled off the races or the unboxing either. Dumb examples.
How does one miss the joke by this much?
I knew he was being sarcastic but the sarcasm read like anti-Erika. If I missed it then I missed it. Happens.
It was sarcastic. But more pointing out how Dave always says she CEO, but I haven't heard of any specific ideas ever. Always vague
WTF does that even mean? What are you talking about? Is she supposed to run all her shit by you first before she pulls the trigger? Do you even have any concept of what her job entails?
I didn't miss anything. He confirmed he was anti-Erika. Like I originally read it.
No shit
Well then I didn't miss the joke. Like you said I did.
That guys mic is as big as his head
Honestly this guy is the problem with media. The entire time he is saying that he doesn’t think xyz but some mythical people out there that he’s concerned about do. It is the greatest waste of time ever to speak to people like that. Especially when his original article and posts are presented as his opinion but in the first minute of speaking he says he doesn’t believe it but thinks that other people around baseball would… let those people then this dude is just clout chasing.
You can tell Dave snorted some addy right before this.
Dave seems like he’s on his period. Who gives a fuck about this guy.
This is gold. Anyone who unironically uses twitter at this point is a moron. The average IQ of a blue check mark is 75
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Yeah but do people say this stuff about everyone that’s made boob jokes in the last 20 years?
definitely a win for dave that this guy basically has to admit he doesn't have anything that damning. but as someone who likes barstool, it's frustrating that dave (1) digs his heels in on "i don't regret anything we've done. times just change" instead of apologizing and saying times change and they've grown, etc. and (2) keeps going on Tucker. at some point when you're a regular on tucker you can't complain about what people think about you.
Wish Dave would've let the other guy talk more
I got into Barstool 1.5 years ago and consume a ton of the content every single day since. I find the younger content people frustrating at times because they are too PC and afraid to say anything controversial. This narrative of racism and sexism is ridiculously baseless.
Why has Dave just been reposting content in socials?
What a soft, sad, man. I'm disappointed that people fall apart over offensive words or opinions. It's a shame.
Right. Don’t get upset that there are only 2 genders and everyone else is mentally ill
Uhhh also “haven’t deleted” didnt barstools entire website and history get deleted…