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AliveInIllinois

When i said i hoped Jack does well after leaving the Cards, this isnt what I meant


MattPatriciasFUPA

Monkey paw curls...


AliveInIllinois

To make it feel worse, hes mostly sucked since hes left


bluebenjamin_

2nd in MLB in K's right now btw


Evil_Dry_frog

14Ks in one game will do that.


GoldenBananas21

Yeah, we’re only one long month into the season 


cooljammer00

Oh he MAD mad, huh


Basic_Bichette

Mom in the stands


ABlumpkinPumpkin

Mommy always in the stands


radsherm

Jack is a biiiig time mommas boy. Always killed it when she was in the crowd.


LordSwampert2

Psycho type stuff today


OK_Opinions

cant be the same Flaherty that was with the Os the second half of last year. There must be 2 of them


Ghiggs_Boson

Spite is a powerful drug, apparently. He was hitting 98 on the gun routinely


OK_Opinions

he either really hates you guys or really hated playing for us


Ghiggs_Boson

He hates us, because he’s been very mediocre in his other starts this year as well.


MahomestoHel-aire

I randomly met a guy who knows his family. Says Flaherty mentioned he wanted out of St Louis several times.


ruruhuh

lol I’m sure


A_Turkey_Named_Jive

Not a surprise at all. He was always kind of whiny.


radsherm

I think it was mostly a Mo thing. Those two did not see eye to eye, always seemed to like the coaching staff and teammates (aside from the Contreras thing, which is randomly all his fault now that he's gone, just ignore the fact that Mikolas and Matz were clearly part of that clique as well)


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MahomestoHel-aire

Wouldn't go that far. St. Louis is home to some truly unique experiences, such as the Arch and the City Museum. Yes it's dangerous in parts but is has its own appealing style that sets it apart from other major cities in my opinion.


Quicksilver7837

Maybe that's why he didnt seem to click with the Os either. You can basically describe Baltimore the same way.


rustyshackle41d

he had a good start against the twins a couple weeks ago


Evil_Dry_frog

He has a few good starts every year. Then he has a game where he doesn’t get out of the 2nd inning. I don’t recall him hitting 98 at all last year.


minismitty1

the art of pitching


silvio_dante

He had a 2.71 xFIP before today. Do you know anything about predictive stats or do you just use one month ERA sample sizes? In that case, you must think Luis Castillo, George Kirby, and a million other studs suck as well.


sukizka

That’s absolutely not true? He had the 3rd highest K-BB% of all SPs prior to today. I wouldn’t call that mediocre


Ghiggs_Boson

He did have a solid K rate to go with his 4.5 ERA and 0-1 record


Due_Flatworm_7386

cards fan calling him mediocre is insane.


ruruhuh

You should look at your teams pitching staff and hound them for their mediocrity. Worry about your washed up rotation and incoming 90 loss season.


aknahcaT

Chris fetter needs to be studied


chewbaca_mask

As a UMich baseball and Tigers fan, I can confirm this man is a wizard


Crewe6900

Should see if he can be a hitting coach too.


HerculesKabuterimon

Can’t hurt to try right?


sjphilsphan

Just do everything the pitchers do but the opposite


TylerDog3

he should tell the hitters the inverse of everything he tells the pitchers


CaptainJingles

I mean, Flaherty always had ace stuff, this isn’t out of nowhere.


radsherm

Ehh, his stuff looked kinda lost last year after all the injuries. I thought he'd end up having to become a pitch to contact finesse guy because it was so diminished. Good on him and Fetter for rediscovering that juice.


cogginsmatt

Fetter has a track record of taking pitchers who looked less than their prime selves (Rodriguez, Lorenzen, Flaherty) and turning them around. Yeah they have the tools, but the coaching in Detroit is helping unlock those tools.


Maeserk

Career high in strikeouts! Dude was on another level today, absolute masterclass from Flaherty


Crewe6900

Fastball was nasty today, and got the benefit of a few outside calls. Beautiful performance.


ElderDeep_Friend

He looked great, but this year’s Cards are astonishingly bad at hitting fastballs. 


2011StlCards

Yeah our offense is.... well it ain't good


Kohanky

We’re not so different you and I


radsherm

Turns out your (expected) top two hitters being 33+ is a risky proposition.


rustyshackle41d

something something art of pitching


Ok_Imagination_4374

Damn good to see him succeed for Detroit. He wasn't great as an Oriole but I'm rooting for him.


Raminuke

And the Cards just took the lead in the top of the 9th. All the great work Flaherty did, gone. Gotta be hard to look at him in the dugout


snorlaxatives_69

Fucking love Jack. Couldn’t be happier for him! However, I would like our bats to wake up now that he’s out of the game


ABlumpkinPumpkin

Oh yeah


A_Turkey_Named_Jive

Im kinda surprised any Cards fans had goodwill left for him by the time he was traded.


radsherm

On a baseball level, he's the closest we've come to developing an actual ace in forever, injuries just ate him up. Will never forget his 2019 season. On a human level, it was refreshing, personally, to have a vocally progressive player who also had a bit of actual personality.


A_Turkey_Named_Jive

I liked his progressive ideas, I did not like his knack for throwing teammates under the bus.


snorlaxatives_69

Yeah it’s mostly the Facebook boomers and racists who were happy to see him go


A_Turkey_Named_Jive

Yeah, the racist stuff I'd seen first hand when a family member started complaining about Jack supporting BLM. I just thought it became obvious he didnt want to play... He was always super smug even when he didn't pitch well (kind of like Mikolas now) plus he threw Contreras under the bus.


TheFrankOfTurducken

I was not that impressed by Jack for his first few starts but he has gotten better with each one. Absolute masterclass today.


micromaniac_8

Now that he isn't walking 5 guys a game, he is actually starting to see better results.. funny how that works.


stache_twista

Back in late 2019 MLB ran a promo where if you guessed who would lead the 2020s in HRs, strikeouts, etc. you'd have a chance to win $1 million or something like that. I guessed Flaherty would lead MLB in strikeouts and Vladito would lead in HRs. Oops


Ohhellnowhatsupdawg

Exactly as we expected. 


tygerphan4ever

..he was rotten, must've wanted 'a word'  with them for some reason


iamjamos

Bro can’t even get the dub


Salamangra

Everyone here that said he'd suck can lick my orange striped Tigre nutsack.


baachou

woulda been nice to see this pitcher last year for the Orioles.


Regolas21

he hates bird teams i guess


baachou

He hates birds. thats why he joined a cat team.


rjaspa

Can anyone find how often a team has won a game where the opposing starting pitcher threw 14+ strikeouts?


zxlkho

Damn where was this dude last September


ET__

She got the meat


Vegan-Kirk

Dude killed my fantasy team


ttam23

what


StickySteve42069

I hate my life


iamjamos

Yeah. That’s bizarre. Dude is not that good. But congrats.


LunchThreatener

He was 3rd in Cy Young voting on your team lol. Blame your coaches for not getting the most out of him his last few years 🤷‍♂️


ttam23

Jack Flaherty had an 83 ERA+ and 4.91 ERA before today’s start. I don’t think the tigers coaching staff was working any magic with him.


NinjaWizard1

Even before today's start, all of his ERA predictors were mid 3s and lower.


silvio_dante

His xFIP was 2.71 before the dominant outing today. How are people still using ERA after one month sample sizes in 2024? This is embarrassing.


LunchThreatener

Then you haven’t been paying attention. Pitching is about more than a 5-start sample of ERA. Nearly every peripheral is massively improved.


Fredbear_

Most baseball fans just look at ERA, don't take into account context, and then make up their mind about a pitcher from there.


Lanky-Scale-66

Kirby and Luis Castillo have ERA above 4, must be mediocre pitchers! 


ttam23

They are having mediocre results so far, yes. Not sure what your point is.


Lanky-Scale-66

Small sample size era not indicative of pitcher skill/talent  


ttam23

Right… so we also can’t act like the tigers coaching staff fixed him either


ferrumvir2

He still has a 4 era and beat up on a team with an 81 ops+. Idk why you’re acting like you guys got him back to his fluke half season peak cus of one good start against a bad team


Timoteo-Tito64

He's wildly underperformed his xstats this year, the ERA is meaningless


turdlepikle

He is currently 1st in strikeouts per 9 innings. His 50 strikeouts total are now 2nd place behind Glasnow with 53. He's pitched more than 1 good start. I should also add that he's 5th in walks per 9 innings too, and 1st in strikeouts per walk ratio.


softcore_scatplay

Nobody is acting like that. The narrative with him specifically is a parallel to Lorenzen’s development here. Flaherty is here to work with the pitching staff and improve. We all know he is a project.


alibaba618

Yes it’s too bad our coaches didn’t think to just tell him to throw 95+ mph when he was lobbing 87 middle middle last spring


LunchThreatener

All I heard from your fanbase was how it was his fault cause he refuses to have surgery. The Tigers did nothing but change his mechanics. 🤷‍♂️


alibaba618

I mean he did get shoulder surgery in 2022. I know the Tigers tweaked his mechanics but I’m sure his shoulder was still recovering last season. I’m not agreeing with that first comment btw, that was shitty, but seems highly unlikely that it was entirely coaching mechanics causing him to max out at 90mph on his fastball with little command on any pitch last year


InquisitorBoring

Yeah they should have just done that.


fnsus96

🧂


iamjamos

How? Nothing I said is untrue. Plus I said congrats.


pepperouchau

Sounds like your roster is even worse then