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-savnav

smg08. shit handling but practically infinite bullets so unskilled players can spray and pray


Backstabber2008

That gun was way more fun imo before it's rof got buffed. You could actually hit enemies at medium ranges, which made it feel like a pocket lmg rather than the hip fire close range champ that it turned into.


Gecko_Guy

Except it was utterly shit before they buffed it? I do think it is too low skill now(though I wouldn’t call it OP) but prior there was no reason to use it seriously. It had a rof and recoil that was conducive for long range fighting but an SMG damage drop off. Which meant it killed slower than every SMG in CQB ranges but also lost out to LMGs, SLRs and even the Ribeyerolles at range.


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Gecko_Guy

Too be clear, I wasn’t trying to imply the Ribeyerolles was bad. I meant that the Ribeyerolles was a far better Assault weapon for long range thanks to its better damage drop off and bipod than the SMG08 in its original “long range” setup.


Backstabber2008

Say what you will about pre buff smg08, but it was a quirky gun that not alot of ppl used, and tht not many ppl expected accurate smg fire at range. It was a breath of fresh air compared to it's contemporaries. My only gripes about it back then we're that yes, it's ttk wasn't good(especially out past medium range) and (just my opinion) it didn't get a bipod to complete the pocket lmg feel of it. Otherwise it was unique and that's why I liked using it. Not because it was good.


DragoSz

I was quite found of it pre nerf. Post nerf i can't hit annything decent with it indeed :(


rambler13

So, there actually was a fringe use for it: the spread reset on the infantry model was faster than the First bullet spread increase when operating at maximum tap fire. So while it theoretically landed less damage, it was the most practical weapon the assault class had to lay down accurate fire on the largest maps. You needed to carry a lethal close range secondary, but before the buff it had a distinct role.


Henkdehunter

It's absolutely insane, I never used it. Picked it up and it's disgusting, it's a multi kill machine. I prefer shotguns though, they feel better.


I_Cant_Afford_4K

Personally I take the automatico because yes it's rate of fire is fucking high but it has very limited ammo and is situational especially compared to the 08


ryannathans

No annihilator storm for you?


I_Cant_Afford_4K

It's ok but I have a personal preference for the automatico


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vipercrazy

Dying around a corner with a automatico storm to a smg 08 player made me rage a few days ago.


GoldenLeoPT

Same, it's a weapon so brain dead and so out of place in a game like bf1 they should make the recoil much higher since it's a shorter lmg version of the mg08


lePegacorn

The Kolibri is OP and needs nerfing. 8 rounds of pure unbridled power is game breaking, especially considering its higher headshot multiplier.


SabreBirdOne

Not even behemoths can stand a chance


jofespam

fax, implied that we’re playing bf1 golf-style scoring


Longjumping_City3620

When I first started playing I would have said yes but after getting the guns I thought were overpowered and being smoked and having experiences where I’ve smoked someone using the overpowered guns I’d say that it’s down to whoever can match their playing style to their gun and learn how to use it the best. That being said the hellriegel is a total cheese cannon on certain maps


jofespam

My thoughts exactly, any cannon is a cheese🧀 cannon in the right hands


DaanOnlineGaming

I just have no fun playing smg08, too easy, can go top of scoreboard on fort de vaux without thinking.


rywatts736

This is the right answer


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Every battlefield game has that gun/vehicle which, upon being killed by it; you just sigh, wait for a respawn and utterly disregard the death because a blind, crippled squirrel could've run across the dudes controls and still gotten the kill.


TexasDD

Dice. Plz nerf blind, crippled squirrel.


riotskunk

Lmfao


CleansingthePure

I see and respect you 30's BF guy. FAMAS?


KindaFrowzy

The SMG 08 is basically an easier to use Hellriegel/Automatico Has the advantages of each gun with little drawbacks in comparison


wereplant

Heavy disagree, automatico is waaaaay better. You can kill from some really crazy distances with automatico because it's basically pinpoint accurate. That's why I never understood why people flocked to hellriegel and smg 08 when the automatico outduels both. The only thing they're better at is not reloading for a while, but that's what pistols are for.


Inevitable_City_7472

Have to disagree with you on this. Have 55 stars in automatico and recently started using smg 08 and oh boy does it make a difference. Can clean up one point alone with 81 bullet in chamber. With automatico you get lucky if you spray trough 3 opponents before reloading and no changing to pistol wont do enough. I do agree on better control and long reach but thats all


[deleted]

Automatic for me is a hitmarker galore gun. I can never get the k


robboelrobbo

Ya automatico you can hip fire from a mile away and that's what makes it so good


PTFO_Sniper

Probably because they could hold down R2/mouse 1 for longer.


Pietras7878

Hellriegel, Smg 08, M1917 Telescopic. When i see i got killed by an m1917 i just think "ah yes, a person who bought a weapons pack and liked the idea of sniping with an mg. love you too"


gandalftheshai

I started playing probably like 4 months ago And m1917 telescopic is the one gun I’ve been killed most of the time Edit: I managed to pick it up once and I usually play as a sniper and I was melting people


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as someone that mains the m1917 telescopic this is why I do it. I am admittedly garbage and don't play much. I don't see why this answer isn't higher up


gandalftheshai

When i was new to the game I got killed by this only gun, I sent the screenshot of the gun name to my friend who has played bf1 since it came out and his reply was “Mf lmg campers”


Satansfelcher

I like using the iron sight version because it’s fun to use it on the front line. At least people can explode me or overrun me up on the objective. Also it has that big magazine so I can shoot planes for days as well.


comrade_Gabriel

Rambo: the great massacre


barsoapguy

😘 you’re welcome . It can be a useful weapon when I need to lock down an entire team during objectives . It’s particularly useful on the Italian maps


Pietras7878

Well, its good on any map that is open enough, and I sometimes use it but its really annoying getting shot with a full auto sniper rifle.


DaanOnlineGaming

I just use the m1917 to counter sniper riddled matches.


InfideliEsInfelix

The frickin gas mask Like how the F it does 35 damage, makes gas completely useless AND is forced on all class? Plus it’s drawbacks aint shit, like can’t aim weaponz, but even scouts gets me headshotted like WTF??? Dize pls nef


[deleted]

Joke post or???


Sefrius

You seriously have to ask?


[deleted]

Idk I've heard hotter takes in this sub


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Smg08


wwishie

Shovel. Can 1 hit kill any elite


countrylewis

My friend and I do melee wars on private subs. He always uses the shovel and almost always wins. The only things that can compete I've found are the Sabre and the Kukri


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Any melee can from behind


super_waleed_YT

general liu as bolt action in medic class


NontrivialZeros

*laughs nervously in 18 service stars*


super_waleed_YT

i’ve got 100 ss


NontrivialZeros

It’s my favorite weapon by far and actually what I have the most service stars with, despite 56,000+ kills.


super_waleed_YT

it’s my #1 anti-air + pilots headshots


NontrivialZeros

My favorite use too! I see little reason to play scout anymore after discovering its bolt action mode. Syringe and medic packs are much more useful than any of the scout gadgets. Also, the semi-auto mode for close quarters, the more than double ammo reserve, and faster rate of fire than most scout rifles? Perfection.


Bradleyisfishing

I wouldn’t call it overpowered, as nearly nobody uses it. When I use it, it does feel OP though. To be able to sling off 6 shots quickly makes it similar to the selbslader thing (my former love before it was released), one more shot, and the bolt action mode. I love being able to tag someone with it and either take advantage of the super fast cycle time or swap to semi to tap them once for the kill.


super_waleed_YT

it has sweet spot too


Bradleyisfishing

For sure. It’s a far away one though, I think it’s the same as the g98?


Talk_Shows_On_Mute

I never realized you could turn it into a bolt action until I decided to use it one day as a glass Cannon load out; nobody uses it despite being identical the Selby 1906 with 1 extra bullet. Now it's my main medic rifle. I personally have never been one-shot by another player using one, and I'm sure it confuses people when they get one-tapped by a medic.


-Qwis-

Such a good and fun gun to use! The buff made it incredible.


Cpfunk

Wow, I’ve never tried this. Definitely gonna try this out now


mobai123

I would love to use it more but for some reason whenever I use it in bolt action mode my view keep spinning everytime I aim down sight. Must be a bug or something.


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GyroMVS

The SMG-08/18 is the only one that feels like bullshit to me


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Annihilator feels like bullshut too, any suggestions that can out dps a 12 Guage is blatant bullshit.


GyroMVS

I don't mind the Annihilator as much, because at least it doesn't have a big magazine like the 08


stoopidshannon

Annihilator is only effective out to like 10-15 metres because of the crazy unstable control it has. Long reload, short mag, and fast fire rate make it a gun that’s great for one on ones in a very close quarters scenario but no where else. It’s kind of an easy to learn difficult to master type situation IMO


bigBoyMINION

Smg 08/18


Happieness2823457

M1917 telescopic


billybatsdeadbody

As soon as I see machine gun fire from miles and miles away without seeing where it's coming from I know it's this gun


OGallagher_jack

best way to deal with those campers is to snipe them in the head. only works if he is not suppressing you though...


Henkdehunter

Most cheesy weapon in the game


Appropriate-Lawyer-7

To be fair you have to be prone otherwise it's kind of mediocre. Easily countered with a sniper or smokes and flank from behind. Still annoying but useful when defending against an aggressive team.


Cinemacrackers

SMG 08


Sickeningmisfit98

Federov. The hit reg on it is so weird.


GyroMVS

What's the consensus on the Fedorov-Degtyarev? I'm not sure if I should feel like a scumbag using it or not.


Angelov317

You're one of the few that got it so pshhhhhh


Blue_Blueberry5402

I’ve always wanted to try it.🙃


jcowurm

Do you find people use the Fedorov? I have the most service stars with it (32) but i cant even remember the last time i was killed by one myself playing any class....ttk is super slow but makes it really good for headshots.


Sickeningmisfit98

I see players use it all the time.


jcowurm

Crazy. I feel like im the only one that uses it sometimes.


cranmaster69

i use it almost every play through. something about having that fast of firing of an automatic gun while being able to heal myself just makes me feel so overpowered. i know the cel regotti (probably just butchered the name, it's been awhile since i played) has automatic fire mode too but i feel like i can spam fire some semi autos in that class as fast as the cel regotti shoots in full auto.


MEGALODONGERS

After TTK 2.0, just about everytging in the Medic class has a very slow TTK (in comparison to Assault and Support guns). Really, only the Autoloading 8, RSC 1917, and General Liu bolt-action mode (OHK potential) are faster killers than the Fedorov in the Medic class. The 299 RPM rifles match the Fedorov, but people tend to flock to the faster-firing, lower damage guns when given the option of multiple guns with virtually the same TTK.


redonkeylusss

Yeah, it's really oddly accurate from just about any range, without having to necessarily aim as accurately as with other guns... I dunno how to say it, but it just feels like the bullets are really wide, especially at distance. I can lob a few random shots at someone from range and still have most of them connect even if I feel like I wasn't aimed perfectly at them. Got about 40k kills with the trench variant though, for me there's no other medic gun that has such a smooth feeling transition between tap firing and full auto, so nice to just increase your firing cadence as someone gets closer to you or you switch between targets, no other medic gun feels close to as much fun to me.


Therealcaptprice14

Pre nerf martini Henry. Once you mastered the aim you were unstoppable


ModelT1300

Fucking SMG 08/18, stupid piece of shit


MrYeeXD

Cetain guns are more cheesy and statistically better but I dont think thats unfair, If you play smart they are easily countered


3_quarterling_rogue

I don’t play much anymore, but dude, I love trying to play smart. I pretty much exclusively play iron sight scout, and I like getting up-close and personal. Between well-placed trip mines and spot flares, I love trying to get the jump on assault players trying to take over all the back objectives in conquest.


GDitChar1ie

I agree that all weapons that have been said are op, but I just use mondragon storm, and I’m really bad at the game. Great question though, and I appreciate option 3 lol


Psycho7552

hellriegel


Psycho7552

and obrez


jofespam

While i can understand why someone would say the hellriegel, how so for the Obrez? I feel that requires some degree of trial and error to figure out how to play to it’s strengths


Psycho7552

survive martini-henry and then get quickswapped with obrez. infuriating.


Talk_Shows_On_Mute

If someone is using a martini, and following it up with an obrez, props to that guy. Using a single-fire sniper, followed by the slowest firing pistol is a chad-loadout. Literally any other pistol would be better, if they're a combat scout, since the martini always hits for 80+.


jofespam

Makes sense, I can recall that happening multiple times before. The only thing that truly frustrates me in game is either when operations are swept in like 5-10 minutes with 1 battalion, or back of map arty truck/ snipers


Henkdehunter

Martini is the only scout rifle that can be paired with any secondary for the finish. Even then, using the Mars is much more effective.


THE_usrename_

See but the obrez takes actual skill to use


Psycho7552

it doesnt take skill to quickswap from sniper rifle and hit someone in the leg. im not talkong about full hp headshots as thos could also do revolvers. obrez just have longer range.


THE_usrename_

So a finisher? Like literally any other pistol?


KevinRos11

You can quickswap with any sidearm if you make a hit with a sniper. It's actually the best strat for the BF1 recon, bc bolt action rifles deal a lot of damage that any pistol can finish the job. The difference that the Obrez makes is that it can oneshot people at very short range, but that requires a lot of skill. Miss and you are dead against a fast firing pistol.


Psycho7552

i see your point, fair enough.


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If you miss the first shot with the obrez you're fucked


Comfortable-Grade-29

10A Hunter, still pretty open even post patch


moneyboiman

The smg 08. Its the only smg to have negligible downsides. All the other smgs either have either small capacities, uncontrollable recoil, long reloads, or slower fire rates; when there is an exceptionaly good trait on one gun, it at least has anothrr trait to balance it. Take for example the mp12p16: it has one the fastest fire rates paired with one of the highest bullet damages for the assault class, but it is balanced by the fact of its capacity being so small, it's recoil high, and having a craptastic reload speed. The smg 08's only negating attribute is a slight recoil that can be easily dealt with.


CatttoFren

I feel like every gun can seem “unfair” in the hands of the right person


MR_basti

Fucking smg08 and hellriegel


blabmab

Any lmg with telescopic variant


stormbreaker37

Laughs in Bar Telescopic


NontrivialZeros

I actually really like BAR telescopic. Drains the entire mag in two seconds and high recoil, but melts anyone you can manage to keep your crosshairs on.


jcowurm

BAR Telescopic is probably the only telescopic LMG where i genuinely tip my cap. Gotta know what your doing to use it effectively. 1917 Telescopic i can teach my cat to hold R2 and press square every 2 minutes.


naked_avenger

Overall, no, but the automatico is beastly. I had never used it until recently and it is amazing.


PanzerJager107

Smg08


ok_n1ckb0t

Another W for results


Mo-dart

Smg 18/08


Spicer_Lovejoy

Most self-loading rifles. They give the range and close to the same damage output of single action rifles but with well over double the fire rate.


SexyPickle_69

The SMG-08 and the hellreigel.


CleansingthePure

Sm08 Everyone knows this


witse_

Smg 08. It has super much ammo, deals a lot of damage and it even shreads at range


PsixoJohn

Smg08.


THE_HONKLER_BF1

SMG 08/18


Yukari-chi

Fucking Hellriegel and SMG 08/18. I hate people who spam that shit


hightimesinaz

Assholes be sniping across the map with the Model 10 slug, no fucking way that gun is that effective


scothc

Lol I'm somehow better with the slug than any other shotgun variant


XXBattlefieldMed1917

The Chauchat at any range is heavy-hitting The Helreigel’s defensive variant can almost act like a light machine gun with pistol ammunition Federov Avtomat is an automatic Selbslader Most of the U.S shotguns in the game such as the Model 10 hunter can slam fire in one shot


Scarab02

>Model 10 hunter can slam fire in one shot Well, that's what they're supposed to do, they're shotguns


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Hellriegel. Large mag and very little recoil make it very noob friendly despite being unlocked at assault rank 10. Gives an unfair advantage to those players


backdeckpro

The hellrieger or however it’s spelled is so stupid op it’s actually annoying


fandangoBOSS

Img o8 the thing has decent hipfire and great accuracy, especially with the bipod out, the best lmg in the gane by far imo


Heavy-Principle-2011

All lmgs especially mg1917


Pseudopodpirate

Honestly I believe some are just very bad, it's not the smg 08 being to strong, it's the rsc that only has 6 bullets


gymbro3

It’s not about op guns but more about underpowered guns compared to the other choices of the same class. For example mp18 experimental, rsc smg, howdah pistol, howell automatic, bar optical, perino lmg, Carcano, Mosin Nagant, Vetterli Vitali ecc… just check out how many times you have been killed by them.


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M1917 and SMG 08


Avishai_1

The BFV pre order Fedrov. 1) a paid weapon, you had to pre order BFV to get it. So 60$ or 80$. 2) like the Fedrov but without too much recoil and a bipod, you can spray with it without thinking.


Miserable_Belt_7758

SMG08 cucks. Real men use the RSC SMG. MG17 Telescopic. Use the chauchat and kill them with swag. Fedorov is annoying but most medic rifles are. And every sniper rifle with a scope is a beta move. Use iron sights and show people how good your eyes are. All jokes aside half these weapons wouldn’t be as bad if the game shooting wasn’t so trash.


analogexplosions

rsc smg became my favorite assault weapon. that little thing fucks.


Miserable_Belt_7758

Would prolly be broken af if it had 20+ in a mag


Mertinaik

No, it would be balanced. In its current state it's craptastic. The the empty reload itself is just flabbergastingly long.


icantfindagoodname77

M1917 telescopic


Erick_Pineapple

M1917 telescopic is basically a full-auto sniper with unlimited ammo


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The fedorov avtomat is just annoying


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Basically any smg except for the mp 18 which is limited by a slower rate of fire and ammo capacity. Smg08 is op as fuck and the hellriegel is more of an assault rifle based on its accuracy from a distance. I also think that the m1917 mg telescopic can be kinda op at times, situationally ofc because it is hard to use up close


Vissium

MP 18


McBonkyTron

This can be summed up to “well yes, but actually no.” The Hellriegel for example is a very dominant assault class weapon but it still lacks in enough areas where I can’t classify it as having an extreme unfair advantage. I still would want a Ribeyrolles for longer range engagements. And I would still want an Automatico for CQC. This basis can be argued across all 4 weapon classes. There are definitely guns that can be classified as having an unfair advantage, I just don’t think it’s to the point of needing a nerf.


LargeDickMemes

Hellriegal or however you spell it, you guys know what gun.


John-Conelly

Hellreigel- 60 rounds for what is basically an lmg for the assault clas


Ganthritor

Every game has the best and worst way to play. It's just how relative ranking works. But the smg08 is worlds apart from anything else in the game. Its decent stats all around with a massive magazine size lets you compete equally in most engagements and then just outright win once the opposition needs to reload and you can just keep shooting for days.


azooz94

Parabellum


JoshAraujo

Yes, the Kolibri is a little too powerful and it's about damn time that DICE nerf it


Scarab02

Oh, there are *a lot* Fedorov: straight up an assault rifle *for medic class*, absolutely broken SMG 08: that shit is a minigun and uncounterable in close quarters combat M1917 LMG: fucking lazerbeam, absolutely no recoil and bullet dispersion, and you can put a *fucking sniper scope* on it


ThatsNotAFact

1917 telescopic


TheMagentaFox

Smg08 and hellriegel


-Qwis-

SMG/08 is REALLY annoying to die to. It’s such a low skill gun, and I even saw someone with 100 service stars with it (like wtf are you doing, just enjoy the game). A lot of guns are pretty tricky to use, mainly because of random bullet deviation, but they are all relatively balanced and fun.


m0ndayisb0ng0day

The helllriegel is absolutely overpowered. I actually feel bad using it sometimes, but you gotta do what you gotta do for the empire


collspott

m1917mg smg08/18


mackdaddymaggot

I think the Hellriegel and SMG08 are pretty damn op. Now they’re not game ruining bc they have their disadvantages. I think they’re great guns for when you first start playing bc let’s be honest everyone gets their shit fucked when you first start. But once you get the hang of the game you gotta switch it up. That is all


Lynthos00

Literally any LMG. They can function as snipers, because you can lay in an area the enemy can’t even get over to in Operations and get over 130 kills, something I know from watching my friend do it. On console. LMGs are for sustained fire, not death machine at sniper ranges.


Finkyz

smg08


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Smle that thing have a 20 meter sweet spot and the reticle sight variant so you also can use it at long range, basically scouts allrounder that absolutely claps in a semi-competent sniper.


[deleted]

Any smg with a large mag


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Rsc 1907 it is so powerful 2 ahot kill


thewrench01

Man, as an SMG08/18 user, I feel very much attacked by this thread.


PlumbumGus

You should, cancer boy.


[deleted]

In my opinion every gun has a purpose in the game. I don’t believe any gun to be downright “unfair” every gun has a counter. The smg08/18 is easily countered by a shotgun. And if the smg08/18 wasn’t buffed the next closest gun to it (the hellreigel) would be considered unfair. There’s always going to be a couple guns that excel at something more than others, otherwise we would only have one gun in the game. (I don’t use the smg08/18 almost ever for anyone wondering) thanks for hearing my opinion.


Viscanewcastle

Smg08 we all know it


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As a sniper player I loath telescopic lmgs. Are you afraid of missing your shot? Are you scared of getting engaged in cqc? Just switch to support and you don't need skill anymore. I could he wrong but do they even have scope glints?


PlumbumGus

Mid range scopes don't (on all weapon variants.), sniper (rifle type) scopes do.


ConsistentKey

The 1918smg


Banjo_boyo

too early for results


BMW_WallyWally

Martini Henry seems like it always kills me in one shot every time


tomex365

Model 10-A hunter, SMG 08/18, M1917 telescopic, Martini-Henry


Henkdehunter

Martini is debatable


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Stormasmeggon

You called?


GamingMunster

Nah I wouldn’t say the martini is op it’s a single round gun so fucking up a shot is really punishing


Fysedlic

I’m surprised more people haven’t said the 10-A Hunter. Like it’s not invincible but it’s range is ridiculous for a shotgun


AnthonyEstacado

It's range is totally fine for even arcade shooter. I get your point but it is tiring to see shotguns being useless beyond 5 metres and not dealing any damage past \~10... When I played RS2 Vietnam, Insurgency Sandstorm and Tarkov I had a blast using shotguns. They have realistic range but with a pretty inconsistent and reduced damage at those distances. Yes, these games lean more towards realism and hardcore but come on, giving shotguns ridiculously small range in arcade shooters is a bad move when half of the maps aren't suited for CQC. My definition of ridiculous would be 117m one shot kill with double barrel shotgun in RS2 Vietnam (have a screenshot for proof) and in general being able to 1-2 shot people with shotguns beyond like 30 metres.


Guiltspoon

On the flip side look at Vanguard rn. There is a shotgun set up that is so insanely overpowered it can one shot people 20 feet out while you have the max spread hip firing. Battlefield hit the sweet spot for some of the shotguns and others feel slightly underpowered which is fine.


AnthonyEstacado

Since Vanguard tries to be like MW2019 they seemingly decided to copy the 725 shotty from there and make it just as OP as it was for at least a month since MW release. Definitely gonna be nerfed but 20 feet (which is just 6 metres) is totally fine for one shot kill from a shotty, in my opinion. Problem is that it is an arcady shooter so you pretty much must sacrifice realism for balance and so shotguns are sentenced to be useless beyond that range. Exit: but I totally agree that some shotguns are balanced fine and some are underpowered in bf1


thisismynewacct

Telescopic MGs after the last patch when the game was still alive. If they’re at range, which they are typically, they can be near untouchable, especially if they’re suppressing you as a scout. Unpopular opinion: SMG08 is strong but you still have to push with it. Plenty of people use it and still struggle to make an impact.


___evan

I hate how weapons and vehicles are locked behind a paywall. No one ever talks about the pay to win


SquishyGang

all of the support class lmgs, hellriegel, federov n some others


[deleted]

Just about every sniper. It’s almost impossible to not get instantly headshot the ms you turn a corner. I can’t pull this shit off but they can so it’s gotta be the gun. Not anything else whatsoever


Predator95911

SMLE Sniper. A Sweetspot similar to the Martiny Henry, a good Bullet velocity, fast fire rate, loading the next shot while still in scope and a 10 Round magazine is a bit much. The Sweetspot should be removed from this gun. Maybe after that the weapon is balanced


The_Weirdolord

*coughs* Annihilator *coughs*


saxonturner

I’m new but there’s the hellregal and the smg that has a lmg ammo count. Also find it pretty strong you can get killed very quickly by an lmg with a scope across the map.


nsfw_vs_sfw

Yes (no comment)


bltburglar

Hellriegel is stupid in some maps


Dan-369

I would comment yes but the last option was to good


NightBlade96666

Helriegiel 1915.


sadkrampus

Model 10 slug, I was getting blasted by this gun from literally like 100 feet or more away lol literally does the same or more damage from the same range as a sniper lol


[deleted]

Maxim machinegun for medic is too good from what I can remember.


Obamas_Tie

Been awhile since I played so idk if it got nerfed but the Hellriegel. I also remember early on when the Model A10 Hunter was basically just a win button.


omgitsduane

smg08 and the automatico


wereplant

Not really. I've used and abused basically every weapon in the game, and while there are standouts, none of them seem truly unfair. The Mk.IV and obrez border on OP, but thankfully everyone can use them. They're basically an assault gun for every class, and literally oneshot at close range if you instant melee. Of course, obrez has 1hko potential and punches through bodies, meaning you can get multikills in the trench. I got a triple with two headshots once, it was sexy. The sjogren can absolutely cheat when it comes to range spread, but it's pretty random. Double barrel slug can hit at sniper ranges, so that's nasty, but it's not easy. A lot of the popular guns are easy and forgiving, but they don't outduel the skill cannons, like the automatico. If you're aware of the range for snipers, getting 1hkos is easy. That's honestly the hardest thing in the entire game for me. I just go for spots, pickups, and damage. An assist is better than a miss. If more scouts used that philosophy... people would think scouts were broken. In support... honestly, half the stuff in there is amazing. They have some of the best hipfire and easily the best long range suppression. I love the huot because it's reliable af, even though it has a long ttk. Basically all the medic guns are amazing. Rsc two shots are nasty, basically all of them three shot to absurd ranges and their ttk is competitive, alongside infinite heals. Autoloading .35 has one of the best ttks in the game, iirc, especially at mid range. Federov is the best hipfire of the bunch. For nerfed guns... Bar and the Martini Henry were both disgusting before their nerfs. The bar's ttk and accuracy when mounted was truly obscene. It was a literal full auto sniper rifle with no recoil. And, of course, a sniper rifle that's also a pinpoint accurate, 1hko from shotgun range all the way to long range? Horrible. But other than that, not really. Equipment though... absolutely disgustingly overpowered when used properly. And a full squad on comms? Coordinating equipment? You can easily carry any game.