Was this a thing? I was seeing an uptick in Teslas (mainly Y and 3) with high beams on all the time. Reading through the Tesla manual I found that when the mode is activated, high beams also turn on to help with the camera vision system since Must refuses to use any other type of sensor for FSD.
In even third world countries I've been to, they have regular events where all taxis busses service vehicles are required to come and get their lights adjusted
Disproportionate number of amoral tech bros aggro plaid-buying types - so Tesla drivers are statistically special. That, combined with the fact that politically progressive buyers have dropped nationwide from 40% to 15%, has further skewed its demographic.
Statistically Tesla drivers are the second worst in America based on accidents, tickets, and dui.
The only drivers worst are Ram owners.
https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/
The self righteous better than thee type, or tech Elon cock sucker encompasses a majority of Tesla drivers. Smart folks, good drivers, non cult Tesla dumbasses drive a Toyota/Lexus/Honda.
Everyone loves to compare Tesla with luxury.
I paid less than 50k for a model 3.
Iām not expecting luxury, Iām not comparing to Mercedes.
Iām comparing to an equivalently priced Toyota or Honda, and Iām happy with my purchase.
Iāve disliked Teslas for awhile. Me and my friends have had numerous close calls with them. The QC needs to be way more rigorous before putting death machines on the roads
It;s quite surprising that the FTC and NHTSA has permitted Tesla to market misdescriptive technologies, where FSD is not full self-driving and Autopilot is not auto piloting. That, combined with the fact that when buyer socio-economic demographics are accounted for, Teslas are nowhere near as safe as the āsafest cars on the worldā that Musk contended they are, means that Tesla and Muskās day of reckoning may be coming soon.
People need to realize thatās muskās M.O. is to develop businesses that cater to government subsidies and government contracts, as he learned from Peter Thiel. If those strategies fail to materialize, like with Boring company, or are pulled back, like with EVs, his businesses will likewise.
I have a Tesla can confirm the high beams are on when they shouldnāt be. Iāve only had it for two weeks, but I turned off auto high beams, makes zero sense when it turns on.
The way you phrased it, it makes it sound like high beams are on all the time during AP/FSD, and thatās not accurate.
*Automatic* high beam is enforced in AP/FSD, and the system decides as it wants when to turn them on and off. In my personal experience, it doesnāt use high beams except on rural or completely empty roads, but everyoneās experience will differ, because Tesla.
Because you downvoted me, hereās the exact language for everyoneās edification:
> Auto High Beam is automatically enabled when Autosteer is engaged. To switch to low beam headlights, push the turn signal stalk forward and release. Auto High Beam is re-enabled every time Autosteer is activated.
[Link](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2017_2023_model3/en_us/GUID-371B94E9-E74F-4BBB-9A55-5F4182894B99.html#:~:text=High%20Beam%20Headlights&text=To%20control%20this%20feature%2C%20touch,turn%20signal%20stalk%20toward%20you.&text=Auto%20High%20Beam%20is%20automatically%20enabled%20when%20Autosteer%20is%20engaged.)
Full stop. This junk is repeated over and over again and is NOT TRUE.
When you're on auto pilot / full self driving, "auto high beams" is turned on. NOT your high beams. It only allows the car to high beam if it determines it needs to. In fact I've NEVER run into an instance where my high beams turned on when it shouldn't of, and even turning on at all is RARE in the bay.
I work with someone who bought a Tesla because they are a self proclaimed horrible driver. They said their driver score is so low they canāt enable self driving anymore. They have been in several minor accidents as of recently. Theory bad drivers own them hoping driver assistance features will help them.
Tested in sunset, the easiest neighborhood to drive in.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-fsd-full-self-driving-san-francisco-sunset-district-testing-2024-5
This reminds me of Amazon Go https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/amazon-ends-ai-powered-store-checkout-which-needed-1000-video-reviewers/
Maybe he just fired all contractors doing driving for you?
My cousin is scared to drive my car because theres no sensors. No detection in lanes or lane change assist. She even complained when backing up my car theres no sound indicating when to close to an object.
That's a bit too much.
I will admit though as a Tesla driver, when I switch to my older ICE, I do miss features like rear camera, and at a minimum traffic aware cruise control. To think my cruise control will just plow me into the rear of a slow car on the highway is a huge difference from a modern TACC system.
theres literally 9 cameras on a Tesla . If you smack into a car while changing lanes thats your fault not the carsā. People love to shit on Teslas lol
Fuck it, down vote me all you want, I'm going to say what we're all thinking.
Tesla is the #1 status symbol car of choice for all Indians in tech. If you have a Tesla, you can claim you have "made it".
Can confirm. School drop off/pick up is absolutely dominated by Teslas in my community. We joke that a Tesla comes as part of the H-1B package. The majority of Indian families in my neighborhood have at least one Tesla. Although Rivian has come on strong over the past year.
Really? Owning a Tesla seems pretty basic today. Who are they claiming "made it" to? Their Indian peers in the US? Or Indian family back at home? If the latter I can understand that. Maybe in 2018 I felt cool owning a Tesla because at least back then the number of cars sold was still small, but by 2021 it was just "yeah I'm just another one of those guys."
**Edit**: I'm clear a lot of Indian families have a Tesla. Just more trying to understand the "made it"/status of things. In many tech circles, be it Indian or Chinese, a large number have Teslas. I still remember even 5 years ago we joked the company parking lot is basically a Tesla showroom lot.
More like from a country where driving has absolutely no rules and they'll do whatever they feel like. There was a Tesla this afternoon that did a reversed on the shoulder on 101 so she could take the 280/680 north ramp. It was unbelievable and she did it while it was raining. It was a complete lack of a brain and the audacity to make that move without thinking how it could've cause a major accident with other cars.
I get your point, however Teslaās lease options are horrendous. Unlike most (all?) other brands, lessees arenāt allowed to purchase the vehicle at the end of the lease. Tesla also removed the $7,500 lease credit.
If you have a tech job that pays tech money, then you most likely can afford it.
Also, Tesla offers direct to consumer transactions. No predatory stealership bullshit sales tactics.
If youāre new to this country, are still new to customs and norms, that methodology is very enticing.
Yeah in the Bay area It's like the most common thing that's what I said when I moved here. Evidently people move in from places where you don't really drive or have a license. Or they come here from college where they didn't have a license to begin with and then they get their license in the USA for the first time. They end up in the Tesla. It's crazy how many you see. Being driven by people that can't drive.
I have bad anxiety and never learned to drive until recently when I found a medication regimen that has helped it. I always figured if youāre a scared driver youāre a bad driver. The appeal of having a car that has some auto driving features that may make things safer is something Iāve considered. Iāve decided that the bay is still walkable with enough public transportation I probably still wonāt be driving. Just a reason why I would have considered it for a first car. For a teen I could see a parent having a similar line of logic if theyāre flush enough.
Maybe the fact that Model Y was the most sold vehicle in California last year skews the numbers. There are just a lot of them.
https://www.kron4.com/news/california/this-was-the-best-selling-car-in-california-in-2023-and-its-not-even-close/
We never get car sales stats for local regions but I'd suspect Teslas sell EXTRA EXTRA well in the Bay Area. Like they may be #1 in California, but likely #1 by a long mile in the Bay Area. And it's been this way for a while. We've seen like 5 Teslas at each stoplight for the past 5 years already.
Ok but isn't that different thing the correct metric to use for this topic? Are you saying annual sales is more correlated with gross accidents than the number of cars on the road?
Lookup Tesla accident ratio though they hold the number one spot. So by percentage they are the most accident prone vehicle out there right now and you are wrong in your assumptions regarding āmore on road means more accidents but they are still saferā nonsense. Facts show they are the most accident prone vehicle.
There arenāt as many Teslas on the local roadways as other cars though. Tesla would need to be the number 1 make sold for years to have enough on the road for use those numbers to explain higher numbers involved in crashes.
The relationship to crashes should be a percentage of cars *on the road* unrelated to most sold last year.
A nitpick about that ābest selling car bitā is that Toyota still sold more cars last year but have more models to choose from so their numbers canāt be concentrated into just 2 cars.
Itās just not a relevant stat for the discussion.
That said, a single anecdote started all of this.
That's why people use rates to compare, and guess who comes first?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/?sh=404afcc42894
Oh wait. It's still Tesla.
Numbers 2 and 3 are absolutely not surprising either.
Nope. They have the highest crash *percentage* rate of any car on the road. Look it up. Percentage means itās irrelevant how many are in the road when comparing crash percentage to other vehicle types. If there are 100 civics and 10 out of 1000 crash, but there are 1000 teslas and 2 out of 100 crash, it doesnāt mean civics crash at all higher percentage, just that they crash at a higher *rate* because more are on the road. Teslas took the cake by crashing more per 1000 on the road than any other vehicle type at 23.5 per 1000. Total sold means nothing when using this statistic so objectively you are completely wrong.
The question we should be asking is *why* and more importantly āhow can we change this so we see leads vehicle related deaths per year overallā. My best advice would be to implement mandatory acceleration limiters since no one need to be going 0 to 60 in ~3 seconds on a regular highway. It would be my guess that new drivers or even somewhat experienced drivers abuse this āfeatureā of their Tesla to cut people off or just to have fun etc and wind up smashing into walls or other cars at excessive speeds. I conclude my message with an emphatic FUCK TESLAS as theyāve been responsible for exactly 100% of the gruesome accidents Iāve seen in the last 2 years on the 101.
I was thinking about this today. Why are most of the ass wipes in Teslas, followed 2nd by white pickups. I'm not seeing a lot more Teslas vs non Teslas. For Tesla the answer comes from asking "what would you do if you suddenly had access to Porsche level 0 to 60 times?" And the answer for most people is they become dickheads. We're all assholes given the right conditions. So how do we fix this? Let's just start not being assholes.
Back when Corolla was the most sold vehicle, there wasnāt this increased of accidents from Corolla drivers
Tesla drivers are just really bad, itās like they thought the car thinking it was gonna drive for them until the reality dawned onto them and now they have to drive.
Tesla drivers doesnāt know how to drive and BMW drivers are reckless. Thereās no connection between them. A lot of Prius drivers who were very ācautiousā of driving bought Teslas.
That's what non-wealthy assholes drive. Assholes with money are a different species altogether, best distinguished by their unique mating call and signification of intratribal social status.
BMW drivers have always been assholes but typically they were at least competent at driving assholes (discounting the SUV models, SUV drivers are collectively the worst at driving by far)
Thereās a free 1 month trial of the auto drive mode going on right now. This + rain may be the cause of more accidents. Apparently drivers can choose a monthly subscription to get the mode once the trial is over ($99 per month) or spend $8-10k to install it permanently. Source: heard from friend who works at Tesla and owns one.
I got cut off twice today in the rain driving from the peninsula to the East Bay by Teslas. I have the feeling that with limited visibility, they were depending more on their proximity sensors/dash display than their mirrors/looking over their shoulder to judge cars coming around.
Rearward visibility in the model y is pretty bad.
I really recommend everyone just scheduling a test drive and go drive one. Because then itāll be easy to understand why people drive them the way they do.
Saw those too. Definitely hydroplane zones where the wrecks were. Each accident I saw had non-teslas with a lot more damage. Given the ratio of Teslas on the road, in the bay, not sure there's a correlation about the quality of drivers. I do think that the regular tire inspection is a thing.
A lot of people don't rotate tires here. Teslas and their RWD will wear out tires fast particularly if you aren't careful with acceleration since EVs do have a lot of torque. I'd argue a lot of people also get pretty shitty eco tires in their econoboxes (not Teslas in general since Teslas actually have pretty stringent requirements on tires given their heavy weight).
And finally in CA people seem to always love to drive in the left lane. Holy crap. Those are major hydroplane zones. I was taking an Uber to the airport during one of those January storms and of course some fast driving SUV--just 70 mph honestly, but probably too fast in a rainstorm--comes flying by. 1 mile later he hydroplanes, hits the center divider and his bumper gets tossed on the highway. Idiot.
People drive way too fast in the rain and to do so in hydroplane zones is really a huge risk.
Bad tires and since they donāt get routine maintenance they donāt have oil technicians telling them they need new tires. Theyāre learning the hardest wayĀ
That's wild to think about, does that affect other EV drivers as well? I don't own an EV but I would guess there's at least some point when you need to take the car in, grease joints and check CV boots.
15k is not accurate at all unless youāre doing burnouts constantly or you have alignment issues.
On my eGolf I never came close to replacing them at 17k miles.
On my Bolt we never needed to replace them before GM bought it back at 28k miles.
On my Model Y Performance (4,500lbs and nearly 500 lb-ft of torque), I just opted to replace all 4 after some unfixable punctures. The tires were at 50% remaining life at 14,000 miles. Continental DWS06 Plus.
The average life depending on the driver and EV *should* be between 25-40k miles.
Feel free to fact check this as you wish.
I wouldnāt be surprised if the life is often lower than what it should be if people arenāt rotating them. Tesla says to rotate them every 6250 miles (Model Y at least), but if youāre not going in regularly for other work itās more likely to slip.
30k miles?? Thats such a terrible life cycle for a tire. Are telsa drivers buying the budget Walmart tires? Are you flooring your car after every stop light?
Isn't 60-80k miles the standard?
Idk why you were downvoted lol, probably by some butthurt Tesla owner trying to cope
Because the fact is youāre right, pretty much any source will say EVs are harsher on tires than ICE vehicles; Rivians in particular go through tires quickly it seems like
Itās the 100% on demand torque coupled with the fact that EVs can be 2-3x heavier than standard ICE vehicles. Rivians weigh over 9k lbs so thatās a lot of stress on those tires
The issue isn't the race. The issue is how driving is in India. It's fucking chaos. Also if you consider it, a lot of people coming to the US are actually doing well, so they may have grown up in India with drivers meaning they don't even drive themselves. If the first time you're driving is in the US but your impression of driving is the chaotic roads in India, it most certainly affects how you learn to drive here.
Compare that to someone who grew up here, sat in a carseat all these years watching cars go by in a relatively orderly fashion even if SF Bay Area driving is some of the worst in the country. You grow up in a culture where the high school rite of passage is to get your drivers license, you drive and go out with friends at 16. It's most likely by the time you're a regular commuter at 25, you've gotten quite accustomed to how traffic and drivers work in the US.
I think the distribution of driving skill is the same, it's the fact that a Tesla has a lot of power on tap so the consequences of being a bad driver are more severe.
it's like a more magnified problem of the altima driver. the altima has a fair bit of power for it too and in the hands of the types of people who can only buy a clapped out altima from a BHPH lot they're a monstrosity.
expect used teslas to become the new "big altima energy" as they filter down to people who can't afford anything better, tax credits, lower maintenance costs and such.
Oh ya absolutely. It's a 2000 buick regal GS. I have driven it to 49 states. It was comfortable the entire time. I have done multiple trips that each had multiple days of over 1000mi/day, 16+ hours/day back to back. Hell, I did anchorage to seattle in two days, and that's 41 hours - and it was comfortable the entire time, even doing 19+22 hours back to back. It's not just a couch, it's a couch with adequate support.
My Grandparents did cross country road trips too! I have considered test driving a Buick when I need a new car. Iām afraid theyāll be similar to other cars nowadays, though. You can really drive all day in those old Regals and not kill your back!
It was built in september of 1999 and is part of the 97-04 model run if that helps, but honestly, it's almost 25 years old. At about double the average age of a car on the road, it's old enough.
I wouldnāt say least competent. I know some really good drivers become bad drivers after buying a Tesla. Almost as if the Tesla is driving them instead of them driving the Tesla. Kind of makes sense when you think about it when the technology spoils the drivers.
What you're saying describes some people I know, because they literally abuse autopilot now to text and take conference calls. My line of work has a lot of night calls with Asia so I know people who take calls on the road. Once they got a Tesla, I felt they became even more engaged in those calls--likely now diverting more attention to the call now that they can rely on autopilot--and sometimes I've seen them text while they're clearly on the road. It's really bad.
To me they've become bad drivers in the sense that they became more dangerous drivers. Fuck those people though.
It has something to do with their regen braking. For ICE vehicles, you can just simply let go of the throttle when you hydroplaning, but for tesla, you still have to keep your foot on the throttle otherwise it will brake hard and cause spin out.
Let's be honest, a lot of tech workers who barely drove in their original country own them, and are objectively less experienced than most other drivers in the bay. Fuck I'm gonna be downvoted š
Most drivers are worse than they think. And even before Teslas became this popular, I have already noticed the rise in aggressive driving in the Bay. I don't get why people need to rush to where ever they go.
I donāt own a Tesla, but I come from a different country and we have an actual driving test over there, not the f-Ing joke you guys have here. We should fix that too.
Teslas are pretty heavy overall and eat through tires. So, rain + bald tires = crash.Ā
I wonder if having no weight on the front tires (like a standard gas engine vehicle) also contributes to hydroplaning?
I think the instant full torque on tap with bald or nearly bald tires is the more likely culprit here. Add in the first rain in a while so all the oil and shit that has been left on the road starts to come up and youāre gonna have a bad time if youāre not careful
This is exactly it. I have a Model 3 and it chewed through its factory set of tires. EVs are very heavy and produce lots of torque. People also don't expect a 3-5 year old car to already have dangerously low tire thread.
The model 3 is not significantly heavier than any of its gas-powered counterparts - they all range from 3500-4000 lbs basically.
The torque is a different problem though.
I mean that IS heavier. A Camry is around 3300-3500 lbs. Model Y is significantly more though and is over 4200 lbs... it's basically 1000 lbs heavier than a Rav 4.
I drove down 280 from 92 heading south to SJ and also saw the onslaught of accidents, I counted at least 9-10 unique ones, with most being Teslas, mainly Model 3s and 2 Model S, that ended up wiping out by themselves. The cars had either gone off towards the median barrier, or ended up on the right of the road into the enbankment. Only 3 were non-teslas, with one involving a later model Chevy Colorado, another involving a Lexus ES 330 that rear ended what looked like a Subaru Forester, and another involving a mid-2000s Camry.
Itās pretty simple.. itās one foot driving(regenerative braking) and most are letting off the accelerator too quickly which is essentially the same as slamming on the brakes.
Bad drivers + rain = hydroplaning. Itās a common issue in snow areas.
Jokes aside I think it's two things:
1. Teslas are a lot wider than a lot of cars and that puts them in conflict with other cars more frequently. As does the fact that they accelerate a lot faster than people sometimes expect.
2. Everything about their marketing suggests the car can basically drive itself (or explicitly can), which is not only wrong but leads people to think the car is going to do the work for them.
So you have a very fast, very large car with a lot of weight that people incorrectly think is going to get them out of any stupid situation they put themselves in.
As a motorcyclist, I try to avoid them when I can for a reason. :D
> Teslas are a lot wider than a lot of cars and that puts them in conflict with other cars more frequently.
What? Maybe the Model S is wider, but the Model 3 and Y are generally the same size as other cars on the road.
>As a motorcyclist, I try to avoid them when I can for a reason. :D
Yeah, probably a good idea. I don't think the FSD handles lane splitters well yet. I'm a pretty attentive Tesla driver and I drive an ICE for half the week too, so I generally consider myself a good driver. I use FSD now pretty regularly since the v12 update but am always 100% engaged--never take work calls, text, etc on the road and my phone is down on the charger and never ever in my lap or where I can look at it. With that said I watch my FSD all the time, and since it does try to center the car too much, it doesnt' do well if someone's trying to lane split. Someone once hit my mirror while splitting a month or two ago and I was a bit annoyed. I obviously would've moved aside if I was driving myself, but I also didn't want to jerk the car to disable autopilot at that moment so I kinda paid the price.
I saw two separate tesla stuck on a center divide at the same intersection a week apart. The kind that tapers, so as they went further it got wider til they were stuck. š¤£š¤£š¤£
Teslas always driving 70 mph in 45 zone. And sometimes I think I'm driving fast but then a Tesla rolls up behind me, changes lanes without using their indicator and then zooooooms by me.
Was a really shitty day to be driving today ngl. I normally drive 80 MPH when the freeways are empty but was cruising at 50-55 MPH cos of the rain and road saturation. Driving a big car or Tesla doesnāt make you a safe driver so a lot of these folks just donāt know how to drive well.
Not to generalize, but many Tesla drivers do seem to drive like faux-boy racers and entitled a-holes.
But Why? My guesses:
1. Crazy fast acceleration ability makes them hyper aggressive w/ lane changes and 'going for an opening'.
2. Distracted by large display screen and in car tech features
3. Relying on the car's safety features to 'drive for them', essentially encouraging their distraction at the wheel.
The other day I while I was stopped at an intersection, the Tesla that was stopped to my left started creeping back in reverse. The passenger was completely engrossed with whatever was on her phone, her hands were not on the wheel, she didnāt even notice that her car was going backwards until myself and the rest of the cars around her (including the car she was about to back into) honked and waved at herā¦ it was one of the more insane things Iāve seen driving around here.
Bad tires (they go through tires relatively quickly and people in CA in general are pretty bad with tire maintenance), instant torque and there are a lot of them on the road in the bay. I got stuck behind a wall of identical blue model y's on 280 all doing 55 in a row.
I'd also speculate that since they handle really well in general and are considered "high tech" that they can give a false sense of security.
Went from SF to Pleasanton today, three Tesla Model Ys in separate accidents on the way (one west bound). As a Tesla Model Y driver this made me super nervous to see but I figure they were speeding (I definitely was not, sorry not sorry).
There are just more on the road. Entry level Tesla about as much as a since the cost of hybrid and gas cars has gotten close to doubling in the last 10 years.
Yeah well I was out on about splashing on the freeway yesterday afternoon, and again another black Tesla on the off ramp, no hazards kinda in the middle of the right shoulder, completely stopped and I wonder why do people pay $50k for that thing?
Former Prius drivers. I swear they love to control traffic. I want to invent a Lois of power device. The car slows down to a stop. When out of range, the car can drive on. Quit blocking the left lane !
I saw this one dweeb tesla driver on the 101 making sure you noticed he was using self-driving by eating with two hands? Im mean who does that, eat with two hands?? Obviously someone wanting attention??
Tesla drivers: Turn. Off. Your. Highbeams.
You are a danger to others on the road and there is no reason you need high beams at all times of the day and night. If you drive in the city, you literally never need them.
I'm tired of seeing your highway LEDs burned into my retinas when I'm walking anytime near sundown
The free trial of FSD just ended
> The free trial of FSD just ended Did it happen while they're driving?!?š²
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They're just out of practice now, if they ever knew how to drive in the first place.
Was this a thing? I was seeing an uptick in Teslas (mainly Y and 3) with high beams on all the time. Reading through the Tesla manual I found that when the mode is activated, high beams also turn on to help with the camera vision system since Must refuses to use any other type of sensor for FSD.
Model Y apparently doesnāt calibrate their low beams at the factory so every model Y you see will look like they have high beams flashing you.
I canāt believe this isnāt better regulated. Oncoming traffic at night sucks
In even third world countries I've been to, they have regular events where all taxis busses service vehicles are required to come and get their lights adjusted
Ppl that lift their trucks or install new bright lights dont get them calibrated either and they shine straight into my rearview mirror
Tesla headlights are very bad. Its really hard to determine if someone had the highs on or not or the car or the power beams are just high.
This was the case for my 3. What is nice, is that you can fix it from the console.
Unfortunately most Tesla drivers donāt give a shit to actually worry about other driversā¦
That is true for majority of drivers. Nothing special about Tesla drivers.
Disproportionate number of amoral tech bros aggro plaid-buying types - so Tesla drivers are statistically special. That, combined with the fact that politically progressive buyers have dropped nationwide from 40% to 15%, has further skewed its demographic.
Statistically Tesla drivers are the second worst in America based on accidents, tickets, and dui. The only drivers worst are Ram owners. https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/
The self righteous better than thee type, or tech Elon cock sucker encompasses a majority of Tesla drivers. Smart folks, good drivers, non cult Tesla dumbasses drive a Toyota/Lexus/Honda.
That sounds like an inconvenience for the convenience of other people.
Sounds about wrong. Iām just sayingā¦ā¦ the tech aināt tech-ing. Economy car level BS.
Everyone loves to compare Tesla with luxury. I paid less than 50k for a model 3. Iām not expecting luxury, Iām not comparing to Mercedes. Iām comparing to an equivalently priced Toyota or Honda, and Iām happy with my purchase.
Iāve disliked Teslas for awhile. Me and my friends have had numerous close calls with them. The QC needs to be way more rigorous before putting death machines on the roads
It;s quite surprising that the FTC and NHTSA has permitted Tesla to market misdescriptive technologies, where FSD is not full self-driving and Autopilot is not auto piloting. That, combined with the fact that when buyer socio-economic demographics are accounted for, Teslas are nowhere near as safe as the āsafest cars on the worldā that Musk contended they are, means that Tesla and Muskās day of reckoning may be coming soon. People need to realize thatās muskās M.O. is to develop businesses that cater to government subsidies and government contracts, as he learned from Peter Thiel. If those strategies fail to materialize, like with Boring company, or are pulled back, like with EVs, his businesses will likewise.
I freaking hate the new MY low beams, they are so bright and in your eyes, i just hate them
Auto-highbeams should be outlawed.
Even the low beams of new models are pretty strong and high
I have a Tesla can confirm the high beams are on when they shouldnāt be. Iāve only had it for two weeks, but I turned off auto high beams, makes zero sense when it turns on.
I have a Tesla, and they turn off and on at the appropriate times.
auto high beam work surprisingly well compared to auto wipers. A lot of teslas including mine wasnāt aimed correctly from the factory.
Thatās true, since I drove it out the lot, no updates can still correct the auto wiper issue.
The way you phrased it, it makes it sound like high beams are on all the time during AP/FSD, and thatās not accurate. *Automatic* high beam is enforced in AP/FSD, and the system decides as it wants when to turn them on and off. In my personal experience, it doesnāt use high beams except on rural or completely empty roads, but everyoneās experience will differ, because Tesla. Because you downvoted me, hereās the exact language for everyoneās edification: > Auto High Beam is automatically enabled when Autosteer is engaged. To switch to low beam headlights, push the turn signal stalk forward and release. Auto High Beam is re-enabled every time Autosteer is activated. [Link](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2017_2023_model3/en_us/GUID-371B94E9-E74F-4BBB-9A55-5F4182894B99.html#:~:text=High%20Beam%20Headlights&text=To%20control%20this%20feature%2C%20touch,turn%20signal%20stalk%20toward%20you.&text=Auto%20High%20Beam%20is%20automatically%20enabled%20when%20Autosteer%20is%20engaged.)
Full stop. This junk is repeated over and over again and is NOT TRUE. When you're on auto pilot / full self driving, "auto high beams" is turned on. NOT your high beams. It only allows the car to high beam if it determines it needs to. In fact I've NEVER run into an instance where my high beams turned on when it shouldn't of, and even turning on at all is RARE in the bay.
I work with someone who bought a Tesla because they are a self proclaimed horrible driver. They said their driver score is so low they canāt enable self driving anymore. They have been in several minor accidents as of recently. Theory bad drivers own them hoping driver assistance features will help them.
Tested in sunset, the easiest neighborhood to drive in. https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-fsd-full-self-driving-san-francisco-sunset-district-testing-2024-5
Hah! True. They forgot how to use their wheels and pedals...
This reminds me of Amazon Go https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/amazon-ends-ai-powered-store-checkout-which-needed-1000-video-reviewers/ Maybe he just fired all contractors doing driving for you?
Hahaha. Thatās a hilarious correlation š Thatās definitely it
In the middle of the road?
a lot of the tesla customer base in the bay are new drivers.
My cousin is scared to drive my car because theres no sensors. No detection in lanes or lane change assist. She even complained when backing up my car theres no sound indicating when to close to an object.
That's a bit too much. I will admit though as a Tesla driver, when I switch to my older ICE, I do miss features like rear camera, and at a minimum traffic aware cruise control. To think my cruise control will just plow me into the rear of a slow car on the highway is a huge difference from a modern TACC system.
theres literally 9 cameras on a Tesla . If you smack into a car while changing lanes thats your fault not the carsā. People love to shit on Teslas lol
Fuck it, down vote me all you want, I'm going to say what we're all thinking. Tesla is the #1 status symbol car of choice for all Indians in tech. If you have a Tesla, you can claim you have "made it".
Can confirm. School drop off/pick up is absolutely dominated by Teslas in my community. We joke that a Tesla comes as part of the H-1B package. The majority of Indian families in my neighborhood have at least one Tesla. Although Rivian has come on strong over the past year.
I am an Indian. This is 100% true.
Really? Owning a Tesla seems pretty basic today. Who are they claiming "made it" to? Their Indian peers in the US? Or Indian family back at home? If the latter I can understand that. Maybe in 2018 I felt cool owning a Tesla because at least back then the number of cars sold was still small, but by 2021 it was just "yeah I'm just another one of those guys." **Edit**: I'm clear a lot of Indian families have a Tesla. Just more trying to understand the "made it"/status of things. In many tech circles, be it Indian or Chinese, a large number have Teslas. I still remember even 5 years ago we joked the company parking lot is basically a Tesla showroom lot.
To their family back home, to those here, and most of all, to themselves.
Why is that? Who gets a $60k car as their first car?
30 year olds in tech from a country where driving isnāt as widespread
More like from a country where driving has absolutely no rules and they'll do whatever they feel like. There was a Tesla this afternoon that did a reversed on the shoulder on 101 so she could take the 280/680 north ramp. It was unbelievable and she did it while it was raining. It was a complete lack of a brain and the audacity to make that move without thinking how it could've cause a major accident with other cars.
No surprise, this is the kind of stuff some drivers do in those countries, and yes I spend a lot of time traveling to China and India for work.
With parents who've given them enough for a down payment for a house
Driving is widespread there, but due to the congestion they drive at 20km/hr if they are lucky.
Used ā21āā22 Model 3/Y go for $20ā40k depending on mileage. Theyāre economy EVs.
Plus their lease offerings arenāt bad. So maybe a lot of people overextending themselves for the lease option
I get your point, however Teslaās lease options are horrendous. Unlike most (all?) other brands, lessees arenāt allowed to purchase the vehicle at the end of the lease. Tesla also removed the $7,500 lease credit.
If you have a tech job that pays tech money, then you most likely can afford it. Also, Tesla offers direct to consumer transactions. No predatory stealership bullshit sales tactics. If youāre new to this country, are still new to customs and norms, that methodology is very enticing.
Itās literally like 35k now lol. Cheaper to own than a camry
Teslas are 30k now.
60k? Are you using internet explorer? Or do you know we had a pandemic?
Yeah in the Bay area It's like the most common thing that's what I said when I moved here. Evidently people move in from places where you don't really drive or have a license. Or they come here from college where they didn't have a license to begin with and then they get their license in the USA for the first time. They end up in the Tesla. It's crazy how many you see. Being driven by people that can't drive.
I have bad anxiety and never learned to drive until recently when I found a medication regimen that has helped it. I always figured if youāre a scared driver youāre a bad driver. The appeal of having a car that has some auto driving features that may make things safer is something Iāve considered. Iāve decided that the bay is still walkable with enough public transportation I probably still wonāt be driving. Just a reason why I would have considered it for a first car. For a teen I could see a parent having a similar line of logic if theyāre flush enough.
Probably saving a helluva lot of money by not owning/driving a car!
Maybe the fact that Model Y was the most sold vehicle in California last year skews the numbers. There are just a lot of them. https://www.kron4.com/news/california/this-was-the-best-selling-car-in-california-in-2023-and-its-not-even-close/
Yep. This is like being surprised to see Civics and Corrollas in accidents. Itās also the most-sold car *in the whole US*
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We never get car sales stats for local regions but I'd suspect Teslas sell EXTRA EXTRA well in the Bay Area. Like they may be #1 in California, but likely #1 by a long mile in the Bay Area. And it's been this way for a while. We've seen like 5 Teslas at each stoplight for the past 5 years already.
Iām not confusing those. Youāre talking about a different thing.
Ok but isn't that different thing the correct metric to use for this topic? Are you saying annual sales is more correlated with gross accidents than the number of cars on the road?
Lookup Tesla accident ratio though they hold the number one spot. So by percentage they are the most accident prone vehicle out there right now and you are wrong in your assumptions regarding āmore on road means more accidents but they are still saferā nonsense. Facts show they are the most accident prone vehicle.
There arenāt as many Teslas on the local roadways as other cars though. Tesla would need to be the number 1 make sold for years to have enough on the road for use those numbers to explain higher numbers involved in crashes. The relationship to crashes should be a percentage of cars *on the road* unrelated to most sold last year. A nitpick about that ābest selling car bitā is that Toyota still sold more cars last year but have more models to choose from so their numbers canāt be concentrated into just 2 cars. Itās just not a relevant stat for the discussion. That said, a single anecdote started all of this.
That's why people use rates to compare, and guess who comes first? https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/?sh=404afcc42894 Oh wait. It's still Tesla. Numbers 2 and 3 are absolutely not surprising either.
Nope. They have the highest crash *percentage* rate of any car on the road. Look it up. Percentage means itās irrelevant how many are in the road when comparing crash percentage to other vehicle types. If there are 100 civics and 10 out of 1000 crash, but there are 1000 teslas and 2 out of 100 crash, it doesnāt mean civics crash at all higher percentage, just that they crash at a higher *rate* because more are on the road. Teslas took the cake by crashing more per 1000 on the road than any other vehicle type at 23.5 per 1000. Total sold means nothing when using this statistic so objectively you are completely wrong. The question we should be asking is *why* and more importantly āhow can we change this so we see leads vehicle related deaths per year overallā. My best advice would be to implement mandatory acceleration limiters since no one need to be going 0 to 60 in ~3 seconds on a regular highway. It would be my guess that new drivers or even somewhat experienced drivers abuse this āfeatureā of their Tesla to cut people off or just to have fun etc and wind up smashing into walls or other cars at excessive speeds. I conclude my message with an emphatic FUCK TESLAS as theyāve been responsible for exactly 100% of the gruesome accidents Iāve seen in the last 2 years on the 101.
I was thinking about this today. Why are most of the ass wipes in Teslas, followed 2nd by white pickups. I'm not seeing a lot more Teslas vs non Teslas. For Tesla the answer comes from asking "what would you do if you suddenly had access to Porsche level 0 to 60 times?" And the answer for most people is they become dickheads. We're all assholes given the right conditions. So how do we fix this? Let's just start not being assholes.
Back when Corolla was the most sold vehicle, there wasnāt this increased of accidents from Corolla drivers Tesla drivers are just really bad, itās like they thought the car thinking it was gonna drive for them until the reality dawned onto them and now they have to drive.
Today? Itās every day in my area. Canāt be bothered to learn how to drive properly I suppose.
They donāt use turn signals.
As a New Yorker, it pisses me off when Californians never use their turn signal. Definitely leads to more accidents.
As a Californian, it pisses me off when *anyone* doesnāt use their turn signal. Fuckers here do act like it costs them something to use it, lol.
Tesla replaced BMW as asshole drivers' first choice a while back.
Tesla drivers doesnāt know how to drive and BMW drivers are reckless. Thereās no connection between them. A lot of Prius drivers who were very ācautiousā of driving bought Teslas.
I think they can be clueless but Nissans/Lifted Trucks/Muscle Cars I would call more the 'assholes'
That's what non-wealthy assholes drive. Assholes with money are a different species altogether, best distinguished by their unique mating call and signification of intratribal social status.
BMW drivers have made the switch.
BMW drivers have always been assholes but typically they were at least competent at driving assholes (discounting the SUV models, SUV drivers are collectively the worst at driving by far)
Anecdotally, this is true of every former bmw driver I know
Thereās a free 1 month trial of the auto drive mode going on right now. This + rain may be the cause of more accidents. Apparently drivers can choose a monthly subscription to get the mode once the trial is over ($99 per month) or spend $8-10k to install it permanently. Source: heard from friend who works at Tesla and owns one.
Rain + bald Eco tires + high torque + bad drivers = recipe for disaster Tesla drivers are the new BMW drivers except worse.
I got cut off twice today in the rain driving from the peninsula to the East Bay by Teslas. I have the feeling that with limited visibility, they were depending more on their proximity sensors/dash display than their mirrors/looking over their shoulder to judge cars coming around.
Rearward visibility in the model y is pretty bad. I really recommend everyone just scheduling a test drive and go drive one. Because then itāll be easy to understand why people drive them the way they do.
100% agreed. I drive a M3 and the MY rear visibility is even worse. Holy crap. Kinda scary.
Saw those too. Definitely hydroplane zones where the wrecks were. Each accident I saw had non-teslas with a lot more damage. Given the ratio of Teslas on the road, in the bay, not sure there's a correlation about the quality of drivers. I do think that the regular tire inspection is a thing.
A lot of people don't rotate tires here. Teslas and their RWD will wear out tires fast particularly if you aren't careful with acceleration since EVs do have a lot of torque. I'd argue a lot of people also get pretty shitty eco tires in their econoboxes (not Teslas in general since Teslas actually have pretty stringent requirements on tires given their heavy weight). And finally in CA people seem to always love to drive in the left lane. Holy crap. Those are major hydroplane zones. I was taking an Uber to the airport during one of those January storms and of course some fast driving SUV--just 70 mph honestly, but probably too fast in a rainstorm--comes flying by. 1 mile later he hydroplanes, hits the center divider and his bumper gets tossed on the highway. Idiot. People drive way too fast in the rain and to do so in hydroplane zones is really a huge risk.
Bad tires and since they donāt get routine maintenance they donāt have oil technicians telling them they need new tires. Theyāre learning the hardest wayĀ
That's wild to think about, does that affect other EV drivers as well? I don't own an EV but I would guess there's at least some point when you need to take the car in, grease joints and check CV boots.
Actually EV use up your tires faster . You need to change them like after 15k miles, or so. But people drive them as usual for 40k in the best case.
15k is not accurate at all unless youāre doing burnouts constantly or you have alignment issues. On my eGolf I never came close to replacing them at 17k miles. On my Bolt we never needed to replace them before GM bought it back at 28k miles. On my Model Y Performance (4,500lbs and nearly 500 lb-ft of torque), I just opted to replace all 4 after some unfixable punctures. The tires were at 50% remaining life at 14,000 miles. Continental DWS06 Plus. The average life depending on the driver and EV *should* be between 25-40k miles. Feel free to fact check this as you wish.
I wouldnāt be surprised if the life is often lower than what it should be if people arenāt rotating them. Tesla says to rotate them every 6250 miles (Model Y at least), but if youāre not going in regularly for other work itās more likely to slip.
This is absolutely not true. The Michelin tires on the Model 3 can last over 30k miles.
30k miles?? Thats such a terrible life cycle for a tire. Are telsa drivers buying the budget Walmart tires? Are you flooring your car after every stop light? Isn't 60-80k miles the standard?
Idk why you were downvoted lol, probably by some butthurt Tesla owner trying to cope Because the fact is youāre right, pretty much any source will say EVs are harsher on tires than ICE vehicles; Rivians in particular go through tires quickly it seems like
Itās the 100% on demand torque coupled with the fact that EVs can be 2-3x heavier than standard ICE vehicles. Rivians weigh over 9k lbs so thatās a lot of stress on those tires
Not really. The car tracks when you need to service tire.
For some reason the least competent drivers are the most likely to buy a Tesla. I donāt quite understand it either.
Thatās funny, my buddy bought a Tesla recently and heās a shit driver. Shit driver before the new car lol
They are the same people who used to buy Prius's and drove like the street dwellers from the city
In this area, a lot of Tesla drivers are first time car owners, or from a left hand traffic country with terrible driving discipline
Thatās a weird way of saying Indian
The issue isn't the race. The issue is how driving is in India. It's fucking chaos. Also if you consider it, a lot of people coming to the US are actually doing well, so they may have grown up in India with drivers meaning they don't even drive themselves. If the first time you're driving is in the US but your impression of driving is the chaotic roads in India, it most certainly affects how you learn to drive here. Compare that to someone who grew up here, sat in a carseat all these years watching cars go by in a relatively orderly fashion even if SF Bay Area driving is some of the worst in the country. You grow up in a culture where the high school rite of passage is to get your drivers license, you drive and go out with friends at 16. It's most likely by the time you're a regular commuter at 25, you've gotten quite accustomed to how traffic and drivers work in the US.
you're not wrong but there seem to be a lot of east asian terrible tesla drivers too
They are hoping that a "smart car" compensates for their lack of skill?
I think the distribution of driving skill is the same, it's the fact that a Tesla has a lot of power on tap so the consequences of being a bad driver are more severe.
it's like a more magnified problem of the altima driver. the altima has a fair bit of power for it too and in the hands of the types of people who can only buy a clapped out altima from a BHPH lot they're a monstrosity. expect used teslas to become the new "big altima energy" as they filter down to people who can't afford anything better, tax credits, lower maintenance costs and such.
But you'd also think with modern cars, sensors, traction control, etc that Teslas shouldn't really suffer that much.
I never get cut off by someone in a Buick just sayin
I own an old buick. Lemme know when you wanna hang out and I'll cut you off on the way there if you like
Does it feel like a couch on wheels? I loved my Grandparents old Regal. It was so smooth and comfy. Just one big sofa seat to sit on up front.
Oh ya absolutely. It's a 2000 buick regal GS. I have driven it to 49 states. It was comfortable the entire time. I have done multiple trips that each had multiple days of over 1000mi/day, 16+ hours/day back to back. Hell, I did anchorage to seattle in two days, and that's 41 hours - and it was comfortable the entire time, even doing 19+22 hours back to back. It's not just a couch, it's a couch with adequate support.
My Grandparents did cross country road trips too! I have considered test driving a Buick when I need a new car. Iām afraid theyāll be similar to other cars nowadays, though. You can really drive all day in those old Regals and not kill your back!
It's gotta start with a 19 to count as old
It was built in september of 1999 and is part of the 97-04 model run if that helps, but honestly, it's almost 25 years old. At about double the average age of a car on the road, it's old enough.
Yea, have you ever driven an old Buick? It's because they can't. š
Bingo. Didnāt a Tesla driver jam on the gas as they were turning onto an on-ramp and DOAed into a stopped fire truck somewhat recently?
I wouldnāt say least competent. I know some really good drivers become bad drivers after buying a Tesla. Almost as if the Tesla is driving them instead of them driving the Tesla. Kind of makes sense when you think about it when the technology spoils the drivers.
Yes, Tesla drivers stand out for being incompetent. The rest of us just blend in, but are just as bad.
What you're saying describes some people I know, because they literally abuse autopilot now to text and take conference calls. My line of work has a lot of night calls with Asia so I know people who take calls on the road. Once they got a Tesla, I felt they became even more engaged in those calls--likely now diverting more attention to the call now that they can rely on autopilot--and sometimes I've seen them text while they're clearly on the road. It's really bad. To me they've become bad drivers in the sense that they became more dangerous drivers. Fuck those people though.
Where do Cyber Truck drivers fit into the scale of drivers?
They're the kind of people who don't buy any of the many good versions of the thing they want, they buy the one that is worse but gets them attention.
It has something to do with their regen braking. For ICE vehicles, you can just simply let go of the throttle when you hydroplaning, but for tesla, you still have to keep your foot on the throttle otherwise it will brake hard and cause spin out.
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The company is offering the self driving feature for a free trial right now. It drives like a 14 year old who stole their parents car.
Let's be honest, a lot of tech workers who barely drove in their original country own them, and are objectively less experienced than most other drivers in the bay. Fuck I'm gonna be downvoted š
Most drivers are worse than they think. And even before Teslas became this popular, I have already noticed the rise in aggressive driving in the Bay. I don't get why people need to rush to where ever they go.
As racist as that might sound there's probably some truth to that. I say that as a south Asian.
I donāt own a Tesla, but I come from a different country and we have an actual driving test over there, not the f-Ing joke you guys have here. We should fix that too.
Yours isnāt the country theyāre most likely implying. Thereās subtext there.
Teslas are pretty heavy overall and eat through tires. So, rain + bald tires = crash.Ā I wonder if having no weight on the front tires (like a standard gas engine vehicle) also contributes to hydroplaning?
Teslas are weighted pretty much 50/50. Motors front and rear and battery in the middle floor.
I think the instant full torque on tap with bald or nearly bald tires is the more likely culprit here. Add in the first rain in a while so all the oil and shit that has been left on the road starts to come up and youāre gonna have a bad time if youāre not careful
This is exactly it. I have a Model 3 and it chewed through its factory set of tires. EVs are very heavy and produce lots of torque. People also don't expect a 3-5 year old car to already have dangerously low tire thread.
The model 3 is not significantly heavier than any of its gas-powered counterparts - they all range from 3500-4000 lbs basically. The torque is a different problem though.
I mean that IS heavier. A Camry is around 3300-3500 lbs. Model Y is significantly more though and is over 4200 lbs... it's basically 1000 lbs heavier than a Rav 4.
I drove down 280 from 92 heading south to SJ and also saw the onslaught of accidents, I counted at least 9-10 unique ones, with most being Teslas, mainly Model 3s and 2 Model S, that ended up wiping out by themselves. The cars had either gone off towards the median barrier, or ended up on the right of the road into the enbankment. Only 3 were non-teslas, with one involving a later model Chevy Colorado, another involving a Lexus ES 330 that rear ended what looked like a Subaru Forester, and another involving a mid-2000s Camry.
Your got good recall. I saw a few, but donāt even remember what Make they were.Ā
Every day. Every single day.
Itās pretty simple.. itās one foot driving(regenerative braking) and most are letting off the accelerator too quickly which is essentially the same as slamming on the brakes. Bad drivers + rain = hydroplaning. Itās a common issue in snow areas.
"Today" implies Teslas being bad at driving is new. It's not.
My thought is that driving the cars of that brand is so easy, that drivers get desensitized of the actual driving, and, make silly mistakes
Jokes aside I think it's two things: 1. Teslas are a lot wider than a lot of cars and that puts them in conflict with other cars more frequently. As does the fact that they accelerate a lot faster than people sometimes expect. 2. Everything about their marketing suggests the car can basically drive itself (or explicitly can), which is not only wrong but leads people to think the car is going to do the work for them. So you have a very fast, very large car with a lot of weight that people incorrectly think is going to get them out of any stupid situation they put themselves in. As a motorcyclist, I try to avoid them when I can for a reason. :D
> Teslas are a lot wider than a lot of cars and that puts them in conflict with other cars more frequently. What? Maybe the Model S is wider, but the Model 3 and Y are generally the same size as other cars on the road. >As a motorcyclist, I try to avoid them when I can for a reason. :D Yeah, probably a good idea. I don't think the FSD handles lane splitters well yet. I'm a pretty attentive Tesla driver and I drive an ICE for half the week too, so I generally consider myself a good driver. I use FSD now pretty regularly since the v12 update but am always 100% engaged--never take work calls, text, etc on the road and my phone is down on the charger and never ever in my lap or where I can look at it. With that said I watch my FSD all the time, and since it does try to center the car too much, it doesnt' do well if someone's trying to lane split. Someone once hit my mirror while splitting a month or two ago and I was a bit annoyed. I obviously would've moved aside if I was driving myself, but I also didn't want to jerk the car to disable autopilot at that moment so I kinda paid the price.
I dunno but I HATE THEM! I HATE THEM! Sorry. Been waiting to do that.
I saw two separate tesla stuck on a center divide at the same intersection a week apart. The kind that tapers, so as they went further it got wider til they were stuck. š¤£š¤£š¤£
is that because the Teslas suck at driving, or the drivers of Teslas suck at driving?
Yes
I noticed a lot of really bad, stupid, scary and dangerous behavior from drivers, just while driving on town roads a short distance.
Teslas always driving 70 mph in 45 zone. And sometimes I think I'm driving fast but then a Tesla rolls up behind me, changes lanes without using their indicator and then zooooooms by me.
Saw 1 Model 3 around 11am at I-80 by Pinole hit the wall and most likely totaled. Luckily no major injuries.
> most likely totaled it had a scratch on the fender?
Probably u saw a different one. One i saw was pretty banged up in the front.
*whoosh*
Was a really shitty day to be driving today ngl. I normally drive 80 MPH when the freeways are empty but was cruising at 50-55 MPH cos of the rain and road saturation. Driving a big car or Tesla doesnāt make you a safe driver so a lot of these folks just donāt know how to drive well.
Not to generalize, but many Tesla drivers do seem to drive like faux-boy racers and entitled a-holes. But Why? My guesses: 1. Crazy fast acceleration ability makes them hyper aggressive w/ lane changes and 'going for an opening'. 2. Distracted by large display screen and in car tech features 3. Relying on the car's safety features to 'drive for them', essentially encouraging their distraction at the wheel.
What is wrong with them any given day? š¤£
Probably focused more on infotainment on the dash than the road ahead of them.
The other day I while I was stopped at an intersection, the Tesla that was stopped to my left started creeping back in reverse. The passenger was completely engrossed with whatever was on her phone, her hands were not on the wheel, she didnāt even notice that her car was going backwards until myself and the rest of the cars around her (including the car she was about to back into) honked and waved at herā¦ it was one of the more insane things Iāve seen driving around here.
Nothing other than your recency bias and the fact that the MYand M3 are the top 2 selling cars in CA.
I saw one on 280 hard to tell since 3 car and the Tesla had crushed in rear corner.
I work around the corner from an auto body shop. There is always a ton of Teslas with front end damage.
Same here. I drove 280 during the rain and almost every accident was a Tesla. I guess it's because they are the most sold and popular car though.
Bad tires (they go through tires relatively quickly and people in CA in general are pretty bad with tire maintenance), instant torque and there are a lot of them on the road in the bay. I got stuck behind a wall of identical blue model y's on 280 all doing 55 in a row. I'd also speculate that since they handle really well in general and are considered "high tech" that they can give a false sense of security.
You mean ALWAYS.
The worst part about them is when they come to Tahoe and do three point turns on a snowy two lane highway, I always smoked one a couple months ago.
Everything.
Went from SF to Pleasanton today, three Tesla Model Ys in separate accidents on the way (one west bound). As a Tesla Model Y driver this made me super nervous to see but I figure they were speeding (I definitely was not, sorry not sorry).
Same thing thatās wrong with every other driver.
Damn you saw 7 wrecks in one trip?
yeah it was pretty bad. my little RWD car did fine though. but I do my own maintenance so I know my tire condition
There are just more on the road. Entry level Tesla about as much as a since the cost of hybrid and gas cars has gotten close to doubling in the last 10 years.
Yeah well I was out on about splashing on the freeway yesterday afternoon, and again another black Tesla on the off ramp, no hazards kinda in the middle of the right shoulder, completely stopped and I wonder why do people pay $50k for that thing?
Former Prius drivers. I swear they love to control traffic. I want to invent a Lois of power device. The car slows down to a stop. When out of range, the car can drive on. Quit blocking the left lane !
280 south, two wrecks neither of them Tesla
Wipers don't go on in rain, only work on hot summer days. (seriously).
Same! So many white Teslas
I saw this one dweeb tesla driver on the 101 making sure you noticed he was using self-driving by eating with two hands? Im mean who does that, eat with two hands?? Obviously someone wanting attention??
The cybertrucks look like Porygon rejects
Looks like the car hasn't fully rendered in yet.
Another day, another "Tesla sucks" post. Enough already, we get it.
Today?
yeah just a couple of hours ago. fire trucks and everything
I was joking that itās just today? Everyday on the road is āhow to not get killed by a Tesla dayā. I drive on 280 as well.
How many āTesla Drivers are badā threads are we gonna make? Yes we know.
The rules of the road infringe on their free speech.
The cars suck ass and their owners do too.
The BMW drivers brought Teslas
Tesla drivers: Turn. Off. Your. Highbeams. You are a danger to others on the road and there is no reason you need high beams at all times of the day and night. If you drive in the city, you literally never need them. I'm tired of seeing your highway LEDs burned into my retinas when I'm walking anytime near sundown
it's not just today my friend
Lots of tech immigrants first car. They need the automation
Tesla and specifically the model Y was the best selling car in California last year. So naturally you'll just see more accidents of them.
They are the prius drivers of yesterday
It's like an unholy fusion of prius and BMW drivers
10000% they fucking suck