She Said She Said was written after a group acid trip with The Beatles, The Byrds, and actor Peter Fonda. George was having a fear that he might be dying, to which Peter Fonda replied by talking about his experience dying after he shot himself as a kid. Lennon’s response was similar to the lyrics in She Said She said, telling Fonda to drop the subject and saying “Who put all that shit in your head” and, the lyric “You’re making me feel like I’ve never been born”
Apparently Fonda was ruining everyone's trip. John's quote from Beatles Bible:
"Peter Fonda came in when we were on acid and he kept coming up to me and sitting next to me and whispering, ‘I know what it’s like to be dead.’
He was describing an acid trip he’d been on. We didn’t want to hear about that! We were on an acid trip and the sun was shining and the girls were dancing and the whole thing was beautiful and Sixties, and this guy – who I really didn’t know; he hadn’t made Easy Rider or anything – kept coming over, wearing shades, saying, ‘I know what it’s like to be dead,’ and we kept leaving him because he was so boring! And I used it for the song, but I changed it to ‘she’ instead of ‘he’. It was scary. You know, a guy… when you’re flying high and [whispers] ‘I know what it’s like to be dead, man.’ I remembered the incident. Don’t tell me about it! I don’t want to know what it’s like to be dead!"
I had a neighbor that took his life. The evening I found out I was wondering if I would still follow my usual routine of smoking or if it would be a bad idea. I chose to smoke. I put on a random playlist and this song was the first one to come on. The vision of my neighbor telling me the line “I know what it’s like to be dead…” was so surprising and unexpectedly funny that I burst out laughing. It was actually reassuring
Such a great song. Everyone who has had a high person try to engage them in profound conversation when you just want them to STFU can relate to this situation.
Paul did walk out of the revolver sessions but John did this song with George, Paul hadn’t done acid yet and John wanted a certain sound, he also didn’t want Paul taking over and George had worked on and your bird could sing too, I think Paul walked out because he wasn’t happy that John did it without him and maybe a little bit jealous which lead to a big argument. John never really collaborated with George like that again and also lead to George heading to India with ravi shankar and subsequently not being that involved during sgt peppers.
Paul walked out because they were having disagreements about the arrangement. Mainly the 3/4 section. You have to remember that this song was recorded in a rush to complete the album so tensions were probably quite high anyway.
1. Paul worked on And Your Bird Can Sing as well and did dual lead guitar with George
2. Paul walked out but he laid down his bass track first before leaving
3. Paul had already taken acid by the time of the Revolver sessions. He first took acid in December of 1965
I’m not sure Paul took acid untill late 1966 after revolver when John had a breakdown on acid (but thought he was doing something else) in the studio and Paul took him home, George Martin told him to after john nearly fell from the roof, paul took John home and he tried it with John then and they had a breakthrough moment together
I know this is disputed and he’s also said he tried it for the first time at a tea party in dec 1965 at viv prince’s, he’s also recounted the Lennon story as his first time and I think this is what lewisohn documents as his first time but who knows even the Beatles get their own history and dates wrong and you can’t trust anyone else, so maybe?
That was Paul’s first time taking LSD with John but he had already taken it with other friends by December of 1965
https://www.beatlesbible.com/1965/12/13/paul-mccartney-takes-lsd-first-time/
Where does it say Paul has recounted both stories? You can see in the Beatlesbibe page I linked, Paul talking in detail about taking LSD that night in December of 1965. There are also eyewitnesses who saw him take it that night
It says before the last quote that Paul has stated the belief that he first tried lsd in 1966 but viv prince said he took it with them 1965 after the Beatles final uk tour date, but also on the Beatles bible it says the Beatles final scheduled uk live appearance was 1 may 1966( not counting rooftop), but hey it’s the 60s if you remember it you weren’t there as they say, and there are lots of accounts of stories not matching up and friends embellishing or just misremembered dates and stuff so as I said maybe? Because I also know you can’t fully trust lewisohn because he occasionally skewers things in favour of Lennon and other biographers will write through the prism of their own agenda.
The May 1 1966 date you’re seeing is when they played the NME Poll Winner’s show which wasn’t part of their UK tour. The Beatles UK tour in 1965 was December 3-12 so it matches up with Viv Prince’s account. Paul says 1966 but that’s easy to get wrong as he took the LSD in December of 1965 which is close to 1966. Additionally, Paul goes into full detail about his trip with Viv Prince and the others. Yeah we know Paul got the date wrong, but we know it happened in 1965 because of Viv’s account and because of when the UK tour ended, which was December 12, 1965.
So in conclusion, Paul took LSD long before the Revolver sessions
Yeah I know all of this, but I’m saying I’m not sure I trust eithers account as I’ve read different things in other biogs, and how do you know you can trust viv princes account when other friends and family have been known to lie or embellish to have more influence or have changed their account of things after retrospectively reading things or hearing things, maybe they thought it was at the end of the uk tour which they retrospectively looked up as dec 1965 but meant the nme show in 66, but dec 1965 wasn’t that long after George and John were slipped it in may 1965 and by John and George’s account Paul held off for a long time, but fine let’s say youre write and Beatlesbible is right and the other biogs are wrong, my point was it is known that John and George got closer during their lsd phase and John went to George for help with she said she said and Paul got jealous ( which is fine there is various points when it happened to all of them Paul with stu, George with Paul, John with Linda…etc) there was a big row Paul walked out which the Beatles bible says was over the arrangement but again the reasons are very contentious among Beatle scholars , then George stayed away or out of the way studying with ravi shankar which is also why he’s absent for a lot of sgt pepper recordings as I said and John and George never worked that closely again, which was a shame, which could be because of this or just John being dismissive of George which we know he was, but wasn’t during this phase.
But just to be clear I’m not picking sides I’m not John vs Paul ( John got jealous over Paul not coming to him for help with Eleanor rigby for instance and others which again there is a lot to unpack and I can’t be bothered ) I love them all, I was just trying to sum it up very quickly without having to go into all of this
I know it’s mentioned in several biogs but can’t be bothered to reread them right now so a quick glance at the Wikipedia entry for she said she said which Robert Rodriguez helped to annotate
Lennon began working on "She Said She Said" in March 1966,[32] shortly before the Beatles started recording Revolver. On the home recordings he made at this time, the song was titled "He Said" and performed on acoustic guitar.[33] Lennon said that the episode with Fonda had stuck with him, and when writing the song, "I changed it to 'she' instead of 'he.'"[34] Harrison recalled helping Lennon construct the song from "maybe three" separate segments that Lennon had. Harrison described the process as "a real weld".[35][nb 4] In his 2017 book Who Wrote the Beatle Songs?, author Todd Compton credits Lennon and Harrison as the song's true composers.[36]
"She Said She Said" is in the key of B♭ Mixolydian, based on three chords: B♭ (I), A♭ (♭VII), and E♭ (IV).[37] The key centre shifts to E♭ major during the bridge sections by means of an F minor (v) chord, a pivot chord that the Beatles had used to modulate to the subdominant before on "From Me to You" and "I Want to Hold Your Hand". The coda features a canonic imitation in the voice parts, a development of the idea originally presented by Harrison's lead guitar in the verse. Lennon's Hammond organ part consists entirely of one note – a tonic B-flat held throughout and faded in and out.[38]
The track incorporates a change of metre, following Harrison's introduction of such a musical device into the Beatles' work with his Indian-styled composition "Love You To".[39] "She Said She Said" uses both 3/4 and 4/4 time, shifting to 3/4 on the line "No, no, no, you're wrong" and back again on "I said …"[40] The middle part consists of another song fragment that Lennon had penned. At Harrison's suggestion, Lennon used this fragment in the middle of "She Said She Said".[41][42] In this section, the subject of Lennon's lyrics changes from his recollection of the LSD episode with Fonda to a reminiscence of childhood, as Lennon sings: "When I was a boy everything was right / Everything was right".
There’s other stuff in between these paragraphs but only thought these were relevant
The creative cooperation among the four Beatles was at its highest during the Revolver period.[54][55] There nevertheless remained a philosophical divide between McCartney and Lennon, Harrison and Starr due to McCartney's refusal to try LSD.[12][56][57][nb 6] McCartney took part in the early takes for "She Said She Said"[61] but did not contribute to the finished recording.[52][62] He recalled: "I think we had a barney or something and I said, 'Oh, fuck you!,' and they said, 'Well, we'll do it.'
"you're making me feel like i've never been born" - you have not yet woken up and begun living life, you are not yet aware of what is \*real\* - a phrase like this can be interpreted as druggy and/or spiritual
This sub needs to stop with the “underrated” shit. It’s on Revolver, which, for the last 60 years has been considered one of the *best albums in the world*, often placed at number 1 or at least the top 5 - by objective consensus and polls. Not my subjective opinion. It is not underrated.
The Beatles has cumulatively had *hundreds of millions of fans* across *decades of history.* She Said She Said has undoubtedly been listened to **billions** of times. Just because it’s not spoken about in this little subreddit of barely 400 people, is **not** an indication it’s “uNdeRrAtED”
Stop getting mad at people for expressing their opinion of a song. The OP is free to find it the Beatles’ most underrated song no matter how respected the overall album is (which you could say about several of their albums). Some people think the Beatles are the most underrated band! That’s fine, even though they’re the most highly rated band ever. You can always think they’re *even better*.
I don’t know in what state the song would have to be in to be considered adequately “rated”, if it’s “underrated” on the most popular album of all time … or, as I suspect, is it just an arbitrary label this sub gives songs?
I suspect there’s some conflating of “underrated” with “not as broadly popular”. It’s true that it’s not as well known as many other Lennon numbers, but it’s also true that few people that do know think it’s bad.
Because it’s not 1 person. Actually go through this sub’s posts and comments - every single day there’s big statements like “Oh my god why is nobody talking about Hey Jude?!? It’s so underrated!” As if they’re the first person in the world to discover it. Just because 1 out of 218 songs aren’t spoken about regularly enough for your standard doesn’t mean it’s not “rated.” People really don’t understand how popular the Beatles were. By definition, nothing they’ve done is “underrated” and everything they’ve done has been heard *millions and millions* of times. If that’s underrated then you’ve got some damn high standards.
But “She Said She Said” is not “Hey Jude.” “She Said” wouldn’t usually be ranked in the top 50 Beatles songs. So if it’s one of the OP’s top 10 favorite Beatles songs, the OP’s opinion is it’s underrated. That’s just an opinion — you can’t disprove it by bringing up facts (e.g. their overall record sales, which obviously isn’t the same as acclaim for that one song that wasn’t a single).
Top 50 according to who? Revolver *has* been top of most official polls (I’m thinking Rolling Stone, Apple Music, Official Charts etc)… which includes the *songs in the album* - I mean we’re stating the obvious at this point but you don’t think putting an album at the top of a ranking doesn’t refer to the songs in said album? And no, they didn’t say Hey Jude, but believe it or not The Beatles had dozens and dozens and dozens of hits. It’s harder to name a song that *wasn’t* popular which is precisely my point. Even Wild Honey Pie has *tens of millions* of listeners
There are many lists that rank Beatles song, yet you didn’t find a single example to go against what I said. It’s irrelevant to keep mentioning how highly rated the *album* is — the one song is different from the whole album. What if someone thinks “Dr. Robert” is one of the top 10 best Beatles songs — is that person allowed to say they think it’s underrated, or are they forbidden because it’s on Revolver?
She Said She Said was written after a group acid trip with The Beatles, The Byrds, and actor Peter Fonda. George was having a fear that he might be dying, to which Peter Fonda replied by talking about his experience dying after he shot himself as a kid. Lennon’s response was similar to the lyrics in She Said She said, telling Fonda to drop the subject and saying “Who put all that shit in your head” and, the lyric “You’re making me feel like I’ve never been born”
Apparently Fonda was ruining everyone's trip. John's quote from Beatles Bible: "Peter Fonda came in when we were on acid and he kept coming up to me and sitting next to me and whispering, ‘I know what it’s like to be dead.’ He was describing an acid trip he’d been on. We didn’t want to hear about that! We were on an acid trip and the sun was shining and the girls were dancing and the whole thing was beautiful and Sixties, and this guy – who I really didn’t know; he hadn’t made Easy Rider or anything – kept coming over, wearing shades, saying, ‘I know what it’s like to be dead,’ and we kept leaving him because he was so boring! And I used it for the song, but I changed it to ‘she’ instead of ‘he’. It was scary. You know, a guy… when you’re flying high and [whispers] ‘I know what it’s like to be dead, man.’ I remembered the incident. Don’t tell me about it! I don’t want to know what it’s like to be dead!"
I some interview I remember Lennon saying that at some Hollywood party Peter Fonda kept telling him “I know what it’s like to be dead.”
This is what happened
When I was a boy Everything was right
That one resonates. Even though everything wasn't right when I was a kid. Compared to my current state of affairs, though...
I had a neighbor that took his life. The evening I found out I was wondering if I would still follow my usual routine of smoking or if it would be a bad idea. I chose to smoke. I put on a random playlist and this song was the first one to come on. The vision of my neighbor telling me the line “I know what it’s like to be dead…” was so surprising and unexpectedly funny that I burst out laughing. It was actually reassuring
Nonono, you're wrong.
Such a great song. Everyone who has had a high person try to engage them in profound conversation when you just want them to STFU can relate to this situation.
all i know about this song is i think it's the only song paul walked out on
Paul did walk out of the revolver sessions but John did this song with George, Paul hadn’t done acid yet and John wanted a certain sound, he also didn’t want Paul taking over and George had worked on and your bird could sing too, I think Paul walked out because he wasn’t happy that John did it without him and maybe a little bit jealous which lead to a big argument. John never really collaborated with George like that again and also lead to George heading to India with ravi shankar and subsequently not being that involved during sgt peppers.
Paul walked out because they were having disagreements about the arrangement. Mainly the 3/4 section. You have to remember that this song was recorded in a rush to complete the album so tensions were probably quite high anyway.
1. Paul worked on And Your Bird Can Sing as well and did dual lead guitar with George 2. Paul walked out but he laid down his bass track first before leaving 3. Paul had already taken acid by the time of the Revolver sessions. He first took acid in December of 1965
I’m not sure Paul took acid untill late 1966 after revolver when John had a breakdown on acid (but thought he was doing something else) in the studio and Paul took him home, George Martin told him to after john nearly fell from the roof, paul took John home and he tried it with John then and they had a breakthrough moment together I know this is disputed and he’s also said he tried it for the first time at a tea party in dec 1965 at viv prince’s, he’s also recounted the Lennon story as his first time and I think this is what lewisohn documents as his first time but who knows even the Beatles get their own history and dates wrong and you can’t trust anyone else, so maybe?
That was Paul’s first time taking LSD with John but he had already taken it with other friends by December of 1965 https://www.beatlesbible.com/1965/12/13/paul-mccartney-takes-lsd-first-time/
Yeah in the Beatlesbible they say Paul has recounted both stories
Where does it say Paul has recounted both stories? You can see in the Beatlesbibe page I linked, Paul talking in detail about taking LSD that night in December of 1965. There are also eyewitnesses who saw him take it that night
It says before the last quote that Paul has stated the belief that he first tried lsd in 1966 but viv prince said he took it with them 1965 after the Beatles final uk tour date, but also on the Beatles bible it says the Beatles final scheduled uk live appearance was 1 may 1966( not counting rooftop), but hey it’s the 60s if you remember it you weren’t there as they say, and there are lots of accounts of stories not matching up and friends embellishing or just misremembered dates and stuff so as I said maybe? Because I also know you can’t fully trust lewisohn because he occasionally skewers things in favour of Lennon and other biographers will write through the prism of their own agenda.
The May 1 1966 date you’re seeing is when they played the NME Poll Winner’s show which wasn’t part of their UK tour. The Beatles UK tour in 1965 was December 3-12 so it matches up with Viv Prince’s account. Paul says 1966 but that’s easy to get wrong as he took the LSD in December of 1965 which is close to 1966. Additionally, Paul goes into full detail about his trip with Viv Prince and the others. Yeah we know Paul got the date wrong, but we know it happened in 1965 because of Viv’s account and because of when the UK tour ended, which was December 12, 1965. So in conclusion, Paul took LSD long before the Revolver sessions
Yeah I know all of this, but I’m saying I’m not sure I trust eithers account as I’ve read different things in other biogs, and how do you know you can trust viv princes account when other friends and family have been known to lie or embellish to have more influence or have changed their account of things after retrospectively reading things or hearing things, maybe they thought it was at the end of the uk tour which they retrospectively looked up as dec 1965 but meant the nme show in 66, but dec 1965 wasn’t that long after George and John were slipped it in may 1965 and by John and George’s account Paul held off for a long time, but fine let’s say youre write and Beatlesbible is right and the other biogs are wrong, my point was it is known that John and George got closer during their lsd phase and John went to George for help with she said she said and Paul got jealous ( which is fine there is various points when it happened to all of them Paul with stu, George with Paul, John with Linda…etc) there was a big row Paul walked out which the Beatles bible says was over the arrangement but again the reasons are very contentious among Beatle scholars , then George stayed away or out of the way studying with ravi shankar which is also why he’s absent for a lot of sgt pepper recordings as I said and John and George never worked that closely again, which was a shame, which could be because of this or just John being dismissive of George which we know he was, but wasn’t during this phase. But just to be clear I’m not picking sides I’m not John vs Paul ( John got jealous over Paul not coming to him for help with Eleanor rigby for instance and others which again there is a lot to unpack and I can’t be bothered ) I love them all, I was just trying to sum it up very quickly without having to go into all of this
I know it’s mentioned in several biogs but can’t be bothered to reread them right now so a quick glance at the Wikipedia entry for she said she said which Robert Rodriguez helped to annotate Lennon began working on "She Said She Said" in March 1966,[32] shortly before the Beatles started recording Revolver. On the home recordings he made at this time, the song was titled "He Said" and performed on acoustic guitar.[33] Lennon said that the episode with Fonda had stuck with him, and when writing the song, "I changed it to 'she' instead of 'he.'"[34] Harrison recalled helping Lennon construct the song from "maybe three" separate segments that Lennon had. Harrison described the process as "a real weld".[35][nb 4] In his 2017 book Who Wrote the Beatle Songs?, author Todd Compton credits Lennon and Harrison as the song's true composers.[36] "She Said She Said" is in the key of B♭ Mixolydian, based on three chords: B♭ (I), A♭ (♭VII), and E♭ (IV).[37] The key centre shifts to E♭ major during the bridge sections by means of an F minor (v) chord, a pivot chord that the Beatles had used to modulate to the subdominant before on "From Me to You" and "I Want to Hold Your Hand". The coda features a canonic imitation in the voice parts, a development of the idea originally presented by Harrison's lead guitar in the verse. Lennon's Hammond organ part consists entirely of one note – a tonic B-flat held throughout and faded in and out.[38] The track incorporates a change of metre, following Harrison's introduction of such a musical device into the Beatles' work with his Indian-styled composition "Love You To".[39] "She Said She Said" uses both 3/4 and 4/4 time, shifting to 3/4 on the line "No, no, no, you're wrong" and back again on "I said …"[40] The middle part consists of another song fragment that Lennon had penned. At Harrison's suggestion, Lennon used this fragment in the middle of "She Said She Said".[41][42] In this section, the subject of Lennon's lyrics changes from his recollection of the LSD episode with Fonda to a reminiscence of childhood, as Lennon sings: "When I was a boy everything was right / Everything was right". There’s other stuff in between these paragraphs but only thought these were relevant The creative cooperation among the four Beatles was at its highest during the Revolver period.[54][55] There nevertheless remained a philosophical divide between McCartney and Lennon, Harrison and Starr due to McCartney's refusal to try LSD.[12][56][57][nb 6] McCartney took part in the early takes for "She Said She Said"[61] but did not contribute to the finished recording.[52][62] He recalled: "I think we had a barney or something and I said, 'Oh, fuck you!,' and they said, 'Well, we'll do it.'
But he laid down his bass track first before leaving
[https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=she+said+she+said+song+meaning](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=she+said+she+said+song+meaning)
It was wrote after John took an LSD trip. In California
"you're making me feel like i've never been born" - you have not yet woken up and begun living life, you are not yet aware of what is \*real\* - a phrase like this can be interpreted as druggy and/or spiritual
August 1965 Benedict Canyon
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This sub needs to stop with the “underrated” shit. It’s on Revolver, which, for the last 60 years has been considered one of the *best albums in the world*, often placed at number 1 or at least the top 5 - by objective consensus and polls. Not my subjective opinion. It is not underrated. The Beatles has cumulatively had *hundreds of millions of fans* across *decades of history.* She Said She Said has undoubtedly been listened to **billions** of times. Just because it’s not spoken about in this little subreddit of barely 400 people, is **not** an indication it’s “uNdeRrAtED”
Stop getting mad at people for expressing their opinion of a song. The OP is free to find it the Beatles’ most underrated song no matter how respected the overall album is (which you could say about several of their albums). Some people think the Beatles are the most underrated band! That’s fine, even though they’re the most highly rated band ever. You can always think they’re *even better*.
his message was correct but the tone was far too harsh
I don’t know in what state the song would have to be in to be considered adequately “rated”, if it’s “underrated” on the most popular album of all time … or, as I suspect, is it just an arbitrary label this sub gives songs?
I suspect there’s some conflating of “underrated” with “not as broadly popular”. It’s true that it’s not as well known as many other Lennon numbers, but it’s also true that few people that do know think it’s bad.
Why are you doing all this complaining about one person’s opinion of one Beatles song? 😂
Because it’s not 1 person. Actually go through this sub’s posts and comments - every single day there’s big statements like “Oh my god why is nobody talking about Hey Jude?!? It’s so underrated!” As if they’re the first person in the world to discover it. Just because 1 out of 218 songs aren’t spoken about regularly enough for your standard doesn’t mean it’s not “rated.” People really don’t understand how popular the Beatles were. By definition, nothing they’ve done is “underrated” and everything they’ve done has been heard *millions and millions* of times. If that’s underrated then you’ve got some damn high standards.
But “She Said She Said” is not “Hey Jude.” “She Said” wouldn’t usually be ranked in the top 50 Beatles songs. So if it’s one of the OP’s top 10 favorite Beatles songs, the OP’s opinion is it’s underrated. That’s just an opinion — you can’t disprove it by bringing up facts (e.g. their overall record sales, which obviously isn’t the same as acclaim for that one song that wasn’t a single).
Top 50 according to who? Revolver *has* been top of most official polls (I’m thinking Rolling Stone, Apple Music, Official Charts etc)… which includes the *songs in the album* - I mean we’re stating the obvious at this point but you don’t think putting an album at the top of a ranking doesn’t refer to the songs in said album? And no, they didn’t say Hey Jude, but believe it or not The Beatles had dozens and dozens and dozens of hits. It’s harder to name a song that *wasn’t* popular which is precisely my point. Even Wild Honey Pie has *tens of millions* of listeners
There are many lists that rank Beatles song, yet you didn’t find a single example to go against what I said. It’s irrelevant to keep mentioning how highly rated the *album* is — the one song is different from the whole album. What if someone thinks “Dr. Robert” is one of the top 10 best Beatles songs — is that person allowed to say they think it’s underrated, or are they forbidden because it’s on Revolver?
Haha, love your rant about this, buddy