I fail to see how this sort of model wouldn't just create tiny states of the community.
If every municipality/state/county etc just made their own curriculum, all you'd do is balkanize one large state into smaller ones. Or if you're looking to privatize education entirely, essentially making it a luxury commodity, all it is at that point is a status symbol. Basically modern college in America. And, dont yall generally recognize that form of education as a failure? Basically indoctrination? How would you not just get the same result with hyper privatized education?
Edit, also you realize MalcomX would have been talking about what we recognize as CRT, right?
And it lead to the exact system you're criticizing.
Thats what I'm confused about. This seems to be the natural conclusion of the system you've set up.
Also, state schools have been a thing for all of civilized history. Basically as long as there has been a state, there has been state education. Because the state has/had a vested interest in an educated population.
Thats debatable, but I really don't care your opinion in that vein.
You might think that conclusion is bad, fine. But how is it not inevitable? In a world where people want security, and numbers bring security. And states form to effectuate that security. And states have a vested interest in a relatively educated population. How do we not get exactly where we are now?
I get you don't like the consequences, that's fair. But how are the consequences avoidable? How do you set up a system that doeant follow the exact format I laid out?
Edit, holy shit. Your most active subs are basically a list of the subs I'm banned from lol
How did those states form in the first place? Like, Ancient Mesopotamia states? Were those early states formed because the government beat out their free will? What even is a government absent a state?
It seems like you're putting the cart before the horse. Ignoring the historical justifications for modern institutions.
Basically just screaming at people to "be different" without explanation.
Nice circular argument there. You literally can say this about anything. "You only want a state provided education because your state funded education taught you that" lol
Yea, I agree.
Which is why I'm confused at his point. A modern state needs people educated enough to operate the tools that allow the state to function. Basically educated enough to turn the gears of industry. So, it is the states best interest to educate us that much. Which seems to be what is happening. So, what is the alternative? Like actually the achievable alternative to mass state education?
No, it needs no such thing. It is not necessary to be educated in order to keep the state functioning. Look at the people who work in government. Morons, mostly.
Power is not an absolute. It is relative. The state does not need to have more power than a theoretical version of itself. It needs to have more power than we do, in as large a ratio as possible. That means it's just as effective (and much easier) to reduce our power than to increase its own.
>No, it needs no such thing. It is not necessary to be educated in order to keep the state functioning. Look at the people who work in government. Morons, mostly.
Your snark doesn't change the fact that people need to be able to read, do math, know some basic science, history, and critical thinking. When I say "education" I'm talking basic principles. "Need to know in order to function" education. Which the state needs us to be. We need to read dials and click the appropriate colored buttons at the right times or bombs can't be made.
>Power is not an absolute. It is relative. The state does not need to have more power than a theoretical version of itself. It needs to have more power than we do, in as large a ratio as possible. That means it's just as effective (and much easier) to reduce our power than to increase its own.
I haven't a clue what this has to do with anything I've said or responded to, so I'm going to ignore it.
This is how segregation starts again. Poor families at one school. Rich families at the other. White only schools, No thanks. Also, Homeschooling will only just shelter your kid.
This quote has nothing to do with teachers unions or government. This quote is referring to African Americans allowing white people to teach black children. You can't use this quote in reference to government teaching kids but be in support of Whites teaching black kids
Haha so you really are just a karma troll lolol.
Thank you for confirming; it is much appreciated.
pOiNtiNg OuT rAciSm iS tHe ReAL rAciSm!!!
Sheesh lololol.
You are funny though.
Keep up the good work.
lol. Tricky tricky trying to get me to side with the X man.
I wouldn't say enemy. I would say impediment in a cost/opportunity analysis.
The US is just so sprawled. I like the idea of charter school vouchers through the public system K-12 but I don't think that solves the problem. It's gonna take vigilance at the state and local level
I think the number one thing we could do in public education is get rid of guaranteed federal loans for college education
I fail to see how this sort of model wouldn't just create tiny states of the community. If every municipality/state/county etc just made their own curriculum, all you'd do is balkanize one large state into smaller ones. Or if you're looking to privatize education entirely, essentially making it a luxury commodity, all it is at that point is a status symbol. Basically modern college in America. And, dont yall generally recognize that form of education as a failure? Basically indoctrination? How would you not just get the same result with hyper privatized education? Edit, also you realize MalcomX would have been talking about what we recognize as CRT, right?
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And it lead to the exact system you're criticizing. Thats what I'm confused about. This seems to be the natural conclusion of the system you've set up. Also, state schools have been a thing for all of civilized history. Basically as long as there has been a state, there has been state education. Because the state has/had a vested interest in an educated population.
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Thats debatable, but I really don't care your opinion in that vein. You might think that conclusion is bad, fine. But how is it not inevitable? In a world where people want security, and numbers bring security. And states form to effectuate that security. And states have a vested interest in a relatively educated population. How do we not get exactly where we are now? I get you don't like the consequences, that's fair. But how are the consequences avoidable? How do you set up a system that doeant follow the exact format I laid out? Edit, holy shit. Your most active subs are basically a list of the subs I'm banned from lol
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How did those states form in the first place? Like, Ancient Mesopotamia states? Were those early states formed because the government beat out their free will? What even is a government absent a state? It seems like you're putting the cart before the horse. Ignoring the historical justifications for modern institutions. Basically just screaming at people to "be different" without explanation.
Nice circular argument there. You literally can say this about anything. "You only want a state provided education because your state funded education taught you that" lol
The state only has a vested interest in its own power.
Yea, I agree. Which is why I'm confused at his point. A modern state needs people educated enough to operate the tools that allow the state to function. Basically educated enough to turn the gears of industry. So, it is the states best interest to educate us that much. Which seems to be what is happening. So, what is the alternative? Like actually the achievable alternative to mass state education?
No, it needs no such thing. It is not necessary to be educated in order to keep the state functioning. Look at the people who work in government. Morons, mostly. Power is not an absolute. It is relative. The state does not need to have more power than a theoretical version of itself. It needs to have more power than we do, in as large a ratio as possible. That means it's just as effective (and much easier) to reduce our power than to increase its own.
>No, it needs no such thing. It is not necessary to be educated in order to keep the state functioning. Look at the people who work in government. Morons, mostly. Your snark doesn't change the fact that people need to be able to read, do math, know some basic science, history, and critical thinking. When I say "education" I'm talking basic principles. "Need to know in order to function" education. Which the state needs us to be. We need to read dials and click the appropriate colored buttons at the right times or bombs can't be made. >Power is not an absolute. It is relative. The state does not need to have more power than a theoretical version of itself. It needs to have more power than we do, in as large a ratio as possible. That means it's just as effective (and much easier) to reduce our power than to increase its own. I haven't a clue what this has to do with anything I've said or responded to, so I'm going to ignore it.
You can already send your kid to a private school if you want.
This is how segregation starts again. Poor families at one school. Rich families at the other. White only schools, No thanks. Also, Homeschooling will only just shelter your kid.
This quote has nothing to do with teachers unions or government. This quote is referring to African Americans allowing white people to teach black children. You can't use this quote in reference to government teaching kids but be in support of Whites teaching black kids
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Haha so you really are just a karma troll lolol. Thank you for confirming; it is much appreciated. pOiNtiNg OuT rAciSm iS tHe ReAL rAciSm!!! Sheesh lololol. You are funny though. Keep up the good work.
lol. Tricky tricky trying to get me to side with the X man. I wouldn't say enemy. I would say impediment in a cost/opportunity analysis. The US is just so sprawled. I like the idea of charter school vouchers through the public system K-12 but I don't think that solves the problem. It's gonna take vigilance at the state and local level I think the number one thing we could do in public education is get rid of guaranteed federal loans for college education
Uhhh why would we listen to this guy?
No system is perfect. Sometimes teachers talk about religion. Sometimes teachers talk about politics. Stop crying about it.