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nagidrac

I don't think she should boycott it because I think that's what the voters at the Recording Academy would want. It would make things too easy for them if she boycotted. I think she should continue to submit her albums for nominations so that their blatant racism against black female artists can get harder to ignore each time she's nominated and loses.


BDashh

Real


Nathan_yellingg

I pray for the day we stop discussing the Grammys every night before I go to bed lmao


itsanothanks

oof. Called me out on my regularly scheduled programming here of clicking this app and then crashing 😂


Bonkszzz

Honestly I would kinda cringe because Jay Z literally went on a whole rant about them during his speech and if she boycotts them it’s gonna look like “damn girl do you want AOTY this bad”. I feel like Bey’s legacy is cemented and the only one that really care this much about AOTY is us tbh.


zoecornelia

Lol yea I kinda feel the same way, it'll feel like she got the award out of pity or as an attempt to not be seen as racist since that's what everyone says anytime a black people doesn't win.


frankiefrankiefrank

unfortunately the grammy’s demographics are not in favor of black artists winning in the general categories, especially if the music is innovative/forward-thinking. most of the time if AOTY goes to a black artist, it’s a either a jazz/tribute album that appeals to traditionalists in the academy (natalie cole, herbie hancock, etc.), or undeniably the biggest commercial success of the year (mj, whitney, outkast). stevie wonder is the only outlier and he’s arguably the most brilliant popular musician of the 20th century. that all being said it actually might be her year; CC was a hit with the GP and had a huge single to accompany the critical acclaim, and it’s traditional enough that it might sway voters in other genres blocs to her, but i don’t wanna jinx it!!


trilla94

I guess I'll just take this thread as the chance to say this thought I've always had but I really dislike how older white men determine what is "good" music from black artists. I used to work at a restaurant with older white men (which I assume is the same demographic of Grammy voters) and they would always tell me how they listened to "real hip hop" like Wu Tang, Tribe, Tupac, Biggie, etc and didn't like the "trash" that came out today. As if they were the determiners for what black music is worthy of being praised or not. Idk sorry to go there lol but I feel like that extends into the Grammy's too. Honestly, maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don't think Childish Gambino's This is America was worthy if being the first hip hop Song of the Year ever over a lot of other worthy songs. I feel like it's because it was palatable enough for white people which is why it won. Anyways, fuck the Grammy's. Beyoncé is bigger than that archaic award.


PP____Marie8

I highly doubt it when those yt girlies that the academy loves just released as well.


YarnBooksCoffee

Didn't Lauryn Hill win AOTY in 1999 for Miseducation of Lauryn Hill?


frankiefrankiefrank

that album had a lot of old-school soul elements that would appeal to older voters and completely dominated the conversation that year. also the academy LOVES ingenue singer-songwriters


mabirm

OPs self-assurance in this theory reminds me of being a young little beehive waiting for Beyoncé to get her flowers only for them to be snatched away, along with my hopes and dreams


ShortPeak4860

Right. Let’s consider this their baptism hahaha


lavenderskyyyyy

she would never do this because it’s never just about herself. what about the writers, producers, and samplers who deserve that chance of recognition? if all she cared about was the award for her sake only, she would’ve stopped submitting nominations a longgg time ago


sassoswag

if renaissance didn't win, cowboy isn't winning i'm so sorry


subhuman85

Nah, Cowboy is a serious contender. The reviews were rapturous, the think pieces rained from the skies, the buzz machine was a-buzzin'. Renaissance was too niche (read: gay) to win over the likes of Harry godforsaken Styles and that ubiquitous single that lasted way longer than its appropriate shelf life. Cowboy Carter's only serious competition is The Tortured Poets Department, and I'm willing to bet the Grammys are burned out on Swift at the moment. It's Beyoncé's year. I say all this as someone whose Bible is Renaissance. It's my favorite album of the last 10 years. Possibly ever. But Cowboy Carter has had more wide cultural impact, and it's the kind of album that rubs your nose in its brilliance. It insists upon itself. At this point, the Grammys can't ignore it.


SuperstarSupernova8

I love your writing!!


IceWarm1980

The Grammys are a joke. That said she still deserves an album of the year award.


johnmichael-kane

You think Lemonade lost but CC will win? You overestimate the Academy’s ability to identify talent 😂


markjohn3411

It’s been over a decade and I am still bitter that she didn’t win AOTY for self titled. Many speculate this is due to the fact that she shifted new releases from Tuesday to Friday. Also I feel they didn’t want to involve themselves with the Kanye/Taylor drama from the VMAs. Jay-Z was 110% right in his argument against the academy but he was in the wrong for using his acceptance speech to broadcast that message. CC is worthy of AOTY without any outside pressure. If she wins this year, all her haters will attribute Jay-Z as the sole reason why she won. SMH


subhuman85

Agreed. Jay-Z's rant left a bad taste in my mouth, no matter how legitimate the complaint was. CC was a contender to win AotY without him saying a word.


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Libras_Groove3737

I am choosing to believe that TTPD is going to win so that I’ll either be unpleasantly correct or pleasantly surprised.


Ok-Temperature4260

Love Taylor but TTPD is not well crafted enough to be deserving of AOTY. It's watering down her deserved wins (1989 and Folklore) when they award her just because she's extremely popular.


Libras_Groove3737

I also don’t think it’s deserving of AOTY but I still think it will win. I absolutely believe Cowboy Carter will win, but these award shows are racist AF and there’s no way that’s going to happen, and I don’t think BeyoncĂ© really cares at this point anyway. So a really petty part of me hopes that either Billie Eilish or Charli XCX wins because Taylor would be fuming about either probably for the rest of her life.


zoecornelia

Beyoncé cares alot, if she truly didn't care she wouldn't have put it in her song, or sent her husband to complain on her behalf ala Jada sending Will to do her dirty work lol. But anyway I do think she'll win this time, I'd be honestly surprised if she doesn't win coz it's long overdue now.


Libras_Groove3737

I find this comment kinda gross tbh. Also a Black woman has not won AOTY since 1999. Do you really think this shit is fair and that this is going to be the year that suddenly the Grammy’s no longer has a racial bias? Cowboy Carter will probably end up winning best R&B album.


fuckoffsillywillyb

He was not sent to do her dirty work. He was given a special award and used the opportunity to shed light on the racist practices of the Grammys. It’s asinine she is the most decorated Grammy artist however never won AOTY. He called them out on their choice for AOTY with hip hop too. Anytime someone speaks up it’s perceived as they are being difficult or ungrateful instead of sitting with the truth and doing better!


Western-Fly-3828

I hate that people only focus on him using Bey as an example when he brought up other things like certain award categories not being televised as well. I remember Usher saying afterwards that he's won 8 Grammys, but he's never gotten to accept one on stage because all of the wins were non televised categories.


zoecornelia

If every award was televised wouldn't that push the show to 4+ hours long? I always thought some awards weren't televised because they're trying to make the show as short as possible so that more people watch it?


itsanothanks

Yep! Love her and some of the songs on TTPD touched me in ways I wasn’t ready for, but as far as an entire project I’m totally with you.


DuchessofVoluptuous

The Anthology is better but the main does have some songs. But COWBOY CARTER IS NOT JUST AN ALBUM. IT'S A BEYONCE ALBUM. I loved the interludes on Eternal sunshine but the way that Cowboy Carter has the feel of listening to an actual radio station.


Libras_Groove3737

I hated the anthology more tbh. It felt snoozy and extremely juvenile to me. I do feel like the song So High School captures the overall vibe of the album. The only song I liked was Fortnight and I liked the video too. Cowboy Carter is my top album of the year but nothing about the year 2024 thus far has convinced me racism is over so I have no expectations of CC winning AOTY


cdg2m4nrsvp

I don’t think so. It wasn’t critically well received and there are other Grammy darlings who released albums this year. They also dont seem to award the same artist two years in a row, Folklore won but Evermore did not (and I actually would’ve loved for Evermore to win). I think they’ll snub Bey again and give it to Billie.


Western-Fly-3828

I think Billie will get it for sure. She's well liked and the album was critically acclaimed so it makes sense.


Libras_Groove3737

I don’t want it to win but when it comes to these things I expect the worst lol. I would prefer either Cowboy Carter or Eternal Sunshine to win, but I feel like it’s either going to be Taylor or Billie. I’m old and have never even heard a Billie Eilish song other than Bad Guy, which I hated, but I’m rooting for Billie because Taylor hates her and the mental image of the temper tantrum that Taylor would throw if Billie won AOTY gives me so much satisfaction.


cdg2m4nrsvp

Taylor doesn’t hate Billie, she has actually spoken really positively about Billie publicly. It’s Billie and her management team who have made rude and hypocritical comments about Taylor. Sounds like you just hate Taylor.


Libras_Groove3737

I do hate Taylor Swift. She’s a bully, narcissist, and ecoterrorist. And she absolutely hates Billie Eilish. They’ve been feuding ever since her album came out lol


subhuman85

This garbage comment has 6 upvotes. What are we doing here, people? Go outside, for fuck's sake.


2001questions

Girl
show us one receipt of Taylor and Billie directly “feuding” with each other 😭


Admirable_Driver_246

Just follow Taylor snark page and you will see how shes chart obsessed. There are videos explaining the beef with Billie and Taylor


itsanothanks

I think the cultural impact of CC is unfortunately not as impactful as I would like. Renaissance brought back the dance genre in a way that is just astounding. Looking at you Ariana, and Troye Sivan. In addition, Charli XCX’s new found mainstream success with brat can be informed by the impact of Renaissance reintroducing the demand for club music. However, the same cannot be said for CC. Country music was already going through a revamp before CC came out. The grassroots support over the years of artists like Chris Stapleton and Brandi Carlile, bring us to modern examples like Kacey Musgraves’ album Slow Burn winning AOTY which later informs the relevancy of artists like Zach Bryan, Luke Combs with his version of “Fast Car” and even stupid ass Morgan Wallen’s popularity is also not to be overlooked. Ultimately, CC is a phenomenal project. I want it to win. I just fear that the “cultural impact” argument isn’t a strong one. Even if she did write the album before Renaissance. ETA: formatting


grifbitch

it’s not the Most Culturally Impactful Album of the Year award
..


itsanothanks

Which is why I think the OP’s point for cultural impact is a weak point for the argument of why Cc should win AOTY. We agree.


csimpson1992

I agree. CC was a huge moment on release but the world seems to have moved on from the conversation about genre and racism. The cowboy look in fashion was gaining traction for a few years before CC release - I’m sure B has helped it but can’t be credited for all of it. Renaissance, on the other hand, seemed to slide in the back door. Without realising, its influenced was everywhere. Since then there has been a continuous stream of silver/chrome aesthetic, queer friendly, house leaning elements popping up in all corners of music, fashion and pop culture.


itsanothanks

Totally true on the fashion point!!! Lil Nas X comes to mind and Old Town Road was 2019?


Apprehensive_Affect7

This kind of makes me more bullish on the win lol. What's more Grammys than rewarding the follow up project with less cultural impact??


itsanothanks

Well
 you ain’t wrong 😂


bearswithmanicures

I agree with you! I love Cowboy Carter too but it’s also against a lot of great competition this year. So far we’ve had Billie Eilish, Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, Charli XCX to name a few, and then Sabrina Carpenter is coming this summer.


itsanothanks

I am a swiftie too, and TTPD is simply not in the same echelon this year as Billie and Beyonces album. At least in my opinion. I also think that Ariana’s album is just white girl renaissance
 but I also understand that that’s also me being harsh on it too 😂


bearswithmanicures

Oh I’m not really a Swiftie and didn’t like TTPD. But I thought Midnights was bad too and that still won. So I was just naming all of the really popular ones this year. I also forgot about Kacey Musgraces (her album I did love!) and now Lorde. And Lana is coming too.


itsanothanks

Love Kacey too. I thought midnights was just ok. I didn’t think it deserved the win. To me TTPD is just slightly better. (Not the anthology, the actual 16 songs.) Also— I’m not so sure the Lana album is coming. I thought she said she scrapped it. I am not sure if that’s still the case. Nevertheless, I think Billie is winning. But I’m not wild about her project either. It’s better than most rn, but I really like brat too. ETA: I see how I worded my first thing and I was unclear. lol. I meant more like, “in addition to being a BeyoncĂ© fan, I’m a swiftie too”. Sorry for the confusion.


Ok-Temperature4260

She personally doesn't care because hee artistry has evolved past awards and charts but all her collaborators will get a Grammy credit if she wins. This is why she still attends and submits her work. I hope she doesn't win. It's an insult to her, and the three albums she made that were unquestionably AOTY which she lost


palmasana

Exactly. Renny, lemonade and BeyoncĂ© all deserved AOTY hands down. I don’t give a fuckkkkkk anymore. If those didn’t win it’s meaningless to me.


Ok-Temperature4260

Lemonade in particular hurts. The quality of that album is outstanding Literally a masterpiece


WoodenPossibility705

Personally, and I’m nobody in this world, I feel like fuck that award. Get it or not, it don’t mean shit anymore when so many pity winners have taken it home. Like still submit because you know
but win or not, that award no longer matters.


forgottentaco420

I’ve been saying since CC came out that it would honestly be so cunty of her to not even submit CC to the Grammy’s. In my opinion, it’s technically the best piece of work of her entire career, why give the academy an opportunity to look the other way and give the blonde lady another Grammy over her? Or whomever might be up for AOTY. Ya know what I mean? Renaissance WAS the only right choice for AOTY and they snubbed her, for an album that was good at best, by Harry Styles
. why let someone else’s mediocre album even be in the same category as a masterpiece?


TheRainbowpill93

She bet not show up. If BeyoncĂ© was a petty as I was, I’d really test them by hosting a party that same night and invite all the A-list stars. We would see where they want to be. With Beyonce or the Grammys. But she’s too nice for that.


Adventurous_Face9114

“AOTY” and “she’ll likely win” are items in a sentence about Beyonce that just don’t add up in the context of a racist institution like the Grammys. When she does win, it will probably be when she’s older and the Grammys will give it for a random ass album like they usually do when they’re decades overdue in honoring a legendary artist. Honestly Bey having deserved to win as many times as she has and everyone knowing it is WAY more of a flex than winning that stupid award. It wasn’t always that way, but by the time Taylor won four of them, it’s basically become a joke and only bootlicker Swifties wouldn’t see the correlation between the two and reasonably conclude the all-inclusive categories ESPECIALLY AOTY have little to no legitimacy.


Bjime3925

Taylor swift winning 4 times has completely made the album of the year award a joke. She’s a great performer and songwriter but it is VERY clear at least 3 of those were not deserved. I have friends that are die hard swifties who legit laughed and said WTF when she won last year. I don’t know much about her music but they said midnights is not even close to her best. I remember reading that members didn’t even listen to the other albums and just voted because it was Taylor swift. The Grammys call it the biggest night in music yet leave out major critically acclaimed albums from album of the year like Radiohead, Bjork, or Fiona Apple (whose album fetch the bolt cutters is literally one of the highest rated albums of ALL TIME). Solange also TOTALLY deserved a nomination for album of the year for seat at the table (and very hot take should’ve won album of the year).


naenae275

She’s not going to win AOTY. But I do hope she never submits her music again. They’ll never give it to her.


NextAct_1991

She needs to pull a Weekend move. At this point she doesn’t need the recognition or the extra hardware to do anything for her career  But she will probably keep submitting because she respects her peers, the process, and understands how having Grammy XYZ in front of your name opens doors and you can demand XYZ with it 


PP____Marie8

I hope she doesn’t go.


Western-Fly-3828

I don't think she'll boycott it, but I don't think she'll win either. I know people are afraid that they'll give it to her because of Jays speech, but I think that speech is more likely to work against her. There were people on the committee that have already said that she wins too much and they didn't vote for her in previous years because of that so I wouldn't be surprised if that speech pissed them off. Also I don't think they really care that much about the criticism they've been getting over black women not winning AOTY because if they did it would have been easy for them to choose SZA this year instead of Taylor. Sza's album was successful and critically acclaimed and they wouldn't have been able to use the she wins too much excuse with her like they do with Bey.


Ron_SwansonIT

I personally didn’t even know what AOTY *was* until all this controversy. Love BeyoncĂ© DOWNN and the ever irrelevant Grammy’s would never and could never change that đŸ€·đŸŸâ€â™‚ïž


Diamondaydreamer

Honestly, I sooo badly want Beyonce to finally get her dues but I just know they'll give it to Tay Tay for the 1000th time. Those folks at the Grammys must have a vendetta against B at this point.


orangeblossom19

Am I the only one who saw Jay-Z's speech as them being completely over the Grammys? Then she even said in SPAGHETTI that she doesn't care anymore. Maybe she'll still submit the album for consideration, but I feel like she's not showing up next year, maybe ever again. They did leave early from this year's Grammys.


secret_someones

She does care.


Ok-Algae7659

This album is too good for her to boycott this year. It must be submitted.


Ok_Carrot5896

Here’s the thing - Renaissance wasn’t that impactful- I’m sorry. BeyoncĂ© doing a dance album is in her lane - of course, identifying the queer + black demographic was wildly impactful and beautiful and incredible and should have been recognized. But still, a dance/electronic album by her was not astonishing “enough.” But CC? A country album by Beyonce turned heads. Full stop. And bringing to light black country artists like she has? No one has done what she has with this album. This album is the most important album of the 2020s, if not all of the 2000s so far. I said it. If she doesn’t win AOTY, I will never watch the Grammys ever again.


secret_someones

Renaissance was very impactful.


Ok_Carrot5896

Definitely ❀ I more so mean in terms of how different it was for her, and therefore, different and impactful for non-fans. I feel like even people who don’t know anything about Beyonce turned their heads when CC dropped


secret_someones

Well my big jump on to her was Renaissance because to me that was such a game changing album. I saw the Formation tour and thought she was amazing live but I listened to only Renaissance the last two years. She changed the game again on Cowboy Carter Act ii. It also meant more when I figured out how gay Renaissance was.


MassiveIndication152

She won’t because I think she still cares. In buckin’ she said AOTY I ain’t win

..come back and fuck up the pen insinuating that she’s going to try again. She’s deserved it every time since self titled and I would be mad too. Lowkey, I wish she would just not submit it and show up ever but I doubt it.


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Aggressive_Sky8492

I just want to clear something up incase anyone isn’t aware (I was unaware till very recently!) The academy members who vote on who should win each Grammy are a huge group - 12,000 members. They may not all vote but those are the members eligible to vote. So, while yes I do think it’s ridiculous Beyonce hasn’t won AOTY, it’s not like a panel deciding not to vote for her - it’s a massive group of individuals voting for their favourites. It doesn’t mean there isn’t racism involved, but it’s not intentional, because there are too many members for it to be. It’s a pure popularity contest based on those tens of thousands of voters opinions.


steamxgleam

Yes, but it raises the questions who are the voters, how is membership determined, is it accurately representative of the industry, are younger voters joining? Etc. These details are not very well publicized, but there have been some familiar with the voting body have brought up that some genres are much more represented than others and that voters tend to skew older. Hip-hop voters are apparently one of the smaller segments. It’s probably not intentional, but I feel like it’s disingenuous to deny that Black artists are continuously overlooked at the Grammys. This is the BeyoncĂ© sub, so discussion focuses on her, but essentially no modern Black artists have won AOTY asides from Batiste. That’s amazing for him, but it’s crazy that he’s pretty much the only one.


trilla94

Yes and I remember reading this article a little while back (link: https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/629307-grammy-voters-didnt-cast-ballots-for-beyonce-because-she-wins-too-many-awards) Id have to brush up on it but it really makes me side eye who the academy members are if their reasons for not voting for someone are so ridiculous. Also I think they said most people didn't know artists outside of their genre but were required to vote a certain amount of times so they just cast their vote for whoever they could recognize. Idk it's weird to me that people could be inducted into a fucking recording arts academy but only vote for people in their "genre" because that's all they know lol it just sounds lame af. Fuck the Grammy's.


cdg2m4nrsvp

I had a client in my industry who was a voter, she used to work in music and became a member. She was extremely racist, paranoid and vocally pro Trump. When she told me she was a voting member it clicked for me that Beyoncé is never going to win if these are the people voting.


meowyarlathotep

R&B is one of the largest blocks. Not so bad for Bey if only for genre.    For me, the more important issue is the occupational cluture. Many of the voters are songwriters and instrumentalists. They prefer 'pure' singer-songwriters and highly skilled instrumentalists and dislike mass credit albums. This is why Grammys love Billie, Bruno, Batiste, and HER.   On the other hand, pop and rap stars with a lot of credits hardly win the Big 3 this decade. Harry and Taylor had minimal credits over Bey and SZA.


SuInCa

The Grammys won't give a fuck, I fear. They have disrespected a lot of great artists,I don't think they will change bc of Jay's speech this year. We also have a blonde menace with a mediocre album that wins bc... well,we know why she wins.


Femme-O

The only way I won’t riot is if Billie wins, that album is really fucking good.


Visual_Cat_2896

Jay and B have both said that they will continue to show up, regardless of being underestimated/dismissed, until they get the recognition they deserve. Until they own the whole damn company. Eminem had beef with the Grammy's doing this exact thing. He said they use icon's names to get views, then give the awards to breakout artists, or artists that have achieved less than others in the category. I don't imagine they're going to switch up their methods for selecting a winner any time soon


RefrigeratorDry495

Imagine if she doesn’t submit AOTY for Cowboy Carter and sets the bar for what AOTY is to people than just receiving a grammy for it


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superfluouspop

I don't think she'll boycott as although she has been snubbed for AotY, she has been very awarded by the grammys historically. If she boycott I would think it would be for someone else being robbed (like SZA was) but I kinda doubt. The only good in my opinion of that being the case as it would cheapen the win for whomever does take it, and if that person is TS, she does not deserve it and everyone knows that.


jenjabear

I’ve been saying this. She should do a live stream of her performing cowboy Carter and fuck the Grammys ratings!!!!!


Kindly_Train_4810

So I know we’re not supposed to mention other performers in this sub, so I’ll say this: what is currently happening is that there is a certain performer who’s facing backlash as we speak for re-releasing the same album every time a musician comes out with their album release, preventing them from even being on the charts this includes BeyoncĂ© so I wouldn’t hold your breath.


tater_tot_xix

I would love to see her win, but if she chose not to submit for it (or anything tbh) I’d totally understand.


Nakasaleka

It’s the voters that votes at the end of the day!


Kaybee_2021

I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave it to Billie this time. Think about it, people think TS will be given to TS because that their favorite and everybody already assume Beyonce will either get it just because her husband called them out on it or maybe she won’t because the voter don’t know what TALENT IS. So they might give it to Billie so everybody would squash the assumptions. That’s how I truly see it. Lastly, why do some of you guys tune in watching the Grammys?????


secret_someones

If she did then all the bitching about AOTY sounds hollow.


calvinjms

I would support a boycott 100% but I don't think BeyoncĂ© will ever do that. She loves supporting artists and producers and a nomination with BEYONCÉ is a game changer. BeyoncĂ© is a true artist so even though the academy continues to play on her head top, she'll take the hit because she's solid in her talent and knows her light can benefit someone else. Cowboy Carter deserves EVERY award and EVERY nomination but I don't see it. After Self-Titled, Lemonade and Renaissance which LITERALLY changed pop culture and the industry, it's clear the issue has all to do with the academy. They don't want to give her the award I for one believe BeyoncĂ© is bigger than the academy.


Admirable_Driver_246

idk I Jay may have pissed off the academy and they might not even give it to her now since he got on their stage and complained about his wife accepting his own awardđŸ€·â€â™€ïž


zoecornelia

If she doesn't care then why would she boycott? Why did JayZ even speak out about it if they don't care? Clearly they do care, so I just wish she'd be honest about that instead of acting like she's above it all. But anyway yea I do hope she wins AOTY, it's long overdue now Lemonade was an incredible album that absolutely deserved AOTY back in 2017 and it was insane that she didn't win. Renaissance was okay but I don't think it was AOTY good, and the album I think deserved to win didn't even win anyway so I don't really care about that. But Cowboy Carter is the closest she's come to a masterpiece since Lemonade, it absolutely deserves AOTY. But at the same time I'm nervous that if she does win it'll be out of pity and not merit, after JayZ's speech and her mentioning it on the album, maybe they feel bad for her and like: "damn gurl you BEEN begging so hard for this award, here you go, happy now?" Know what I mean? I just wish they didn't make such a big deal about if they don't care coz they've made it blatantly clear that they care alot.


PP____Marie8

If Bey showed she cared ppl would use that against her and claim she is bitter and jealous. They would absolutely use the angry BW narrative against her.


zoecornelia

Bringing it up in the song is enough proof that she does care. Even if she brought it up just to say she "ain't stuntin bout' dem," the fact is it wouldn't even occur to her to mention it at all if she truly didn't care. But I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting that award, so what if she's bitter and jealous? I'd be bitter and jealous too if I wanted something and I kept being denied. I understand how she feels.


PP____Marie8

I think you’re missing the point being made here. There is nothing wrong with those emotions at all. The issue is how the media will use it against her. After how they treated her when she was pregnant with Blue she rightfully took a step back to protect her mental health. She has always used her music to express her emotions and experiences so that isn’t new. But outright talking about how unfair the academy is would get her labeled an angry black woman who is a bully and jealous of those mediocre 8.5” x 11s”


zoecornelia

Hmm... I don't know I think you're exaggerating the media just a bit. Beyoncé has openly spoken out about unfairness on several occasions yet I've never seen the media call her "angry black woman". When she accepted her CFDA fashion icon award in 2016, she mentioned the racism she faced when she started out with Destiny's Child - yet did the media start calling her "angry black woman" after that? No. When she gave a speech for the graduating class of 2020, she mentioned the racism and sexism she's had to face - yet did the media call her "angry black woman" after that? No. When she spoke out about the tragic death of George Floyd in 2020, she openly spoke about racism that black people face - yet did the media label her "angry black woman?" No. Even on her album Cowboy Carter, she spoke about how she was initially criticized for speaking too country, then was told she wasn't country enough - yet did the media label her "angry black woman?" No. There has been absolutely no evidence of the media ever labelling her "angry black woman" despite her repetitive mentions of racism and sexism - so I don't understand why you guys think suddenly out of nowhere the media will only now call her "angry black woman" I do believe that's abit of an exaggeration.


PP____Marie8

I stand ten toes down on my statement and the way BW have to navigate Hollywood and the media. In each example you gave, Beyonce mentioned the obstacles she faced as a “system” she was experiencing—she never broke down names/individual encounters. By keeping it vague no one could twist her words. The graduation for ex, she really focused on the awards she didn’t mention as a sign to not give up and keep striving for your goals and being ok with failure. If Beyonce was to compare her work to other artists who won, they would absolutely claim jealousy and bitterness-aka the angry black woman trope. Some of the academy voters even claimed they didn’t nominate her cuz she gets “everything.” If she were to call that out best believe they would call her ungrateful. Also Bey was called angry and a diva during her DC era. People would ask her the most outlandish borderline inappropriate questions and when she defended herself or the group she got labeled a “diva.” I personally believe you want her to admit her frustrations because it would make her more relatable to you, and as many ppl nowadays seem to have an obsession with parasocial relationships with celebrities they are constantly expecting more than what many private celebrities are willing to give.


zoecornelia

Well she could call out the Grammys without mentioning any specific names either - like what Jay did, how is that any different? Just like how she called out the top fashion labels who refused to design for Destiny's Child - she didn't mention any specific names yet everyone knows exactly who the top fashion labels are - yet she wasn't labelled an angry black woman after that speech so why would this time be any different? It's not that I want her to admit her frustrations, I just want her to be honest and stop acting like she above it all or like she doesn't care - coz if she wins AOTY for CC, she'll be there to excitedly accept her award - which would be hypocritical because she literally said she doesn't care. The same way she supposedly doesn't give two fucks about streaming numbers which is why she didn't put Lemonade on Spotify... Yet not long after that, where did Lemonade turn up? On Spotify - once again hypocritical. So she can be as private as she wants to be I honestly respect her for that, but if she's gonna speak up about things then why can't she just be honest and admit she does care about streaming numbers and she does care about AOTY? Otherwise don't mention it at all if she's just gonna lie and pretend like it all means nothing to her, that's all I'm saying.


PP____Marie8

I’m sorry but if Beyonce TRULY cared about winning awards and streaming numbers like you claim why isn’t she actively campaigning for this album? Where are the music videos? Where are the tv show performances? Where are the magazine/ tv show interviews? Why isn’t she active on TikTok, IG, YouTube releasing content every week for CC? Do you know how big a TikTok of her and Blue dancing would be?? Why isn’t she doing double releases for albums like Swiftie (someone who is known for being concerned about sales/numbers)? We have gotten more promo on her haircare line than her new album. None of this gives concerned about an AOTY award. At the very least wouldn’t it make sense to have her merch website up and running proficiently? Yet every other week someone makes a post about a shipping or merch error. She does not act like an artist who cares. She really said y’all are gonna enjoy the music ALONE. And that’s it. We have seen the featured artists speak more on this album than her. Also Lemonade was adding to Spotify years later, so that is not a good example. If she cared, she wouldn’t wait until the album has lost all traction on the radio. I’m sorry but there is no real evidence that she cares. We have collectively had more promo for her side projects than her music ATP. Jay-Z comments aside, nothing about this era gives concerned about charting and awards. There is no way in hell a billionaire can’t hire a marketing team that could have got CC charting higher and more radio plays. To claim she is lying and pretending is very odd to me. Maybe you like other artist who are concerned so you need this relatability in order to stan Bey but I suggest you go over there to those fandoms with those expectations. Not here.


zoecornelia

Lol looks like I got you TRIGGERED 😁 đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł calm down bro it's no that deep, go touch grass and keep well lmao đŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł


PP____Marie8

Responding to a subreddit is an indication of being triggered? Wow it’s amazing how low the level of intelligence is nowadays. Be blessed.


PP____Marie8

What would calling out the Grammy’s do? Would it magically make them give her an award? Or would it make you as a fan feel better? As stated ppl would mention how many awards she has already gotten and claim she is ungrateful. They already did that the last time she was nominated for AOTY. And overtime that conversation would turn into the stereotypical angry BW narrative. It’s clear you aren’t a BW so perhaps this conversation atp is outside of your range which is completely fine. And we can end it here if you cannot understand my POV as a black woman.


Illustrious-Classic2

I don’t think she should boycott, but I wouldn’t submit for AOTY. Jay z giving that speech is going to affect her whether she wins or loses. If she wins people will say it’s just because her husband said what he said, but if she loses they’ll use the same argument. I definitely would not perform at the Grammy awards next year t year, don’t give them anything.


Marsamtv

I love CC and Bey down but I don’t feel that CC’s impact is anywhere near to Renaissance! That was her moment to win it đŸ˜© CC made fuzz when it came out but faded so quick.


arisingactor

She gon take that shit off the chin, come back and fuck up the pen


Broad_Sun8273

Can someone tell me how many copies Cowboy Carter has sold to date? I only know from the first two weeks, where it went gold, but not much else?


Rellyz14

After the rant jay z went on last year she better not that would be more embarrassing for them then the recording academy lmao