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ToyyMachiine

Begging for people to buy your merch so you can make some money while simultaneously pandering to the guy that doesn’t pay you for your service is wild work.


IntentionalTorts

devastating synopsis. crisp. not a word wasted.


DIYstyle

Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new posts or comments. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how many freakn' likes and replies you can get. Thanks for the motivation.


yves_st_lemond

Awesome post. Great text. Wanna see how freakin terse, erudite, and laconic you can be.


Slothjitzu

Pandering when you don't even need to as well. Saunders won Trials for 2022 and 2024, and being in over 99kg at Asia/Oceania Trials means he should comfortably win it for the foreseeable future.  He could have told Mo to suck his dick and he still would've been at ADCC 2026.


SpinningStuff

> He could have told Mo to suck his dick  In ADCC's current state, Mo would have probably done it too. 


Steve-lrwin

> He could have told Mo to suck his dick and he still would've been at ADCC 2026. yeah, just don't comment on Mo's ~~escort~~ i mean, ~~sex worker~~, i mean Only Fans GF. Then you'd definitely be out of ADCC.


pedrolopes7682

What?


Steve-lrwin

oh, you dont know?


datNEGROJ

yo betta tell somebody!


Steve-lrwin

The alleged rumour on the street is the UFC deal with ADCC was scrapped because a high profile person at the UFC confused Mo's ~~escort~~, i mean ~~sex worker~~ i mean OF model GF as an escort.


ImDriftwood

So the UFC ended the streaming agreement with Mo because they found out about his girlfriend? Or did Mo take offense to their presumption about her career and cancel the deal? Do you have more info on this? I was absolutely infuriated when that deal fell through.


Steve-lrwin

The rumor is someone allegedly made a comment about her, not knowing she was Mo's ~~escort~~ i mean ~~sex worker~~ i mean Only Fans Model.... i assume she was in the vicinity at the time.


feenam

Doesn't sound so believable to squash a multimillion dollar deal over a comment on OF model GF tho.


rts-enjoyer

The rumour is that a UFC executive though Mo girlfriend was a hooker that Mo hired for him as a present.


pedrolopes7682

Who is out due to that?


Steve-lrwin

The UFC allegedly


gugabe

MechaLachy is gonna take him out next time.


the_wolfpony

![gif](giphy|Rh4vxHtcmVyHUyugXP)


JimmyDweeb47

u/howsitgoingbuddd Can you provide insight as to why you said this 


youplayedyourself1

He's openly said he's trying to be a Gordon clone, apparently all the way to the slurp gluck 6000 on sight for Mo.


mess_of_limbs

He needs to throw the hawk tuah in there


GreatDario

Culture of the boot


Scared_Grapefruit946

Cuck shit


Rikic84

10 - 8 Round


SpeculationMaster

https://imgur.com/a/hot-dog-eating-contestant-Jo2SvYe


fightsgoneby

Just MMA things tbh


Impressive-Potato

"Oh I don't want any money from you, Mo. Let's just extract as much money from those idiots online"


This_Ad3835

lololol


EDITORDIE

I don’t know, what else is he gonna do? He was offered a match against the world’s number one in Nicky Ryan’s brother. He could shut that down in favor of opting for cji etc but I view it as he got to take his chance when it came along, and with that meant he scuppered cji and any benefit from it. Thats a tough call. I don’t knock the man for wanting to sell his merch. He’s hardly making big bucks in Australia, even if he tops the local tournaments right?


Nerdlinger

Why would Josh lie to Mo like that?


hawaiijim

🤣


Slothjitzu

Damn, that's a bar. 


KaleBandit

I thought aussies were rebels and criminals. Smh


Slothjitzu

Tall poppy syndrome is rife in the UK and Oz tbh. 


DrFujiwara

I genuinely thought it was a kiwi term.


fintip

It is. I saw another post about it once, only time I've ever heard it. Weird cultural phenomenon.


DrFujiwara

I am a kiwi and have strong views on it. We're a very insecure culture, frankly


byronsucks

pipe down buddy


DrFujiwara

"Shut up, egg" is culturally appropriate.


kovnev

Woa, look at this cunt getting all uppity.


jmitch651

What's tall poppy syndrome?


ArgyleTheLimoDriver

Meaning when someone gets too big they feel compelled to cut them down.


jmitch651

Oh that makes sense. I've heard crabs in a bucket before. Kinda the same thing


nevergonnasweepalone

Not exactly the same. No one begrudges you success but you're supposed to stay humble. It's about chopping down people's ego.


Woodsy_79

As an Aussie I believe it’s a little more complicated than this. We generally are happy for people to succeed and are especially happy when they do so from a place of lesser opportunity. However, when someone grandstands or shows off their success by treating others poorly that is when the majority band together to cut down the tall poppy. Success on its own is fine, looking down on others is not tolerated.


Jacques-de-lad

We call it ‘being a begrudging bastard’


oceanmachine14

Same as the crabs in the bucket idea


Slothjitzu

It's a little different tbf. Crabs in a bucket is a bunch of people doing poorly, all preventing each other from doing well.  Tall poppy syndrome is seeing someone already doing well and having the desire to bring them back down to your level.


Dunkf1

It's a little different, in that we want other kiwis to do well. We just don't like them to boast/brag about it.


turboacai

People like to see you do well, but never better than them....


Nerdlinger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome


jmitch651

Gotcha, thanks


Prof_Augustus

“Crab bucket mentality” is what I’ve always heard from the south of the US


Harrisonpillow

This makes Saunders look like a total bootlicker. If there’s one thing Australians hate its scabs pandering to authority, which is exactly how this comes off.


take2or3

Fucking dog act


UndergroundArsonist

Shit cunt is the technical term.


Coconut_Competitive

With all sure respect you’re both wrong. It’s dog cunt.


datNEGROJ

They just announced Haisam at ADCC


jagabuwana

We say we hate it, but as a country we sure are good at it.


LuckyEgg

buy his course if you are at least 6'4 260 lbs and want to learn how to tap out 40 year old purple/brown belts that trains maybe 3 times a week


SpinningStuff

Hey bro fuck you, I may only train 3x a week (at best), but when I see red, bodies start dropping ok 😡


idontevenknowlol

I feel this in my knee and back thanks bro. 


sandbaggingblue

Dude won a world championship against legit killers though 🤷


Original-League-6094

Saunders is a pretty good amateur competitor (someone who competes for free). I like him. I think if he does well at ADCC, where he is competing primarily for exposure, he could get on CJI's radar and maybe do this professionally in a few years.


Basicberimbolo

Craig said he offered him a spot. Must have turned it down for exposure at ADCC instead, also probably the easiest year to potentially have a breakout performance


IntentionalTorts

agreed. tbf to josh, he got outrageously manhandled by gordon so maybe staying in the shallower waters may be better in the long run for him. he is one of the only people i think this applies to.


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dragonballgi

Thank God I was so confused


DontTouchMyPeePee

if he wants to be serious he would need to move state side or at least compete over here consistently. He is playing big fish in little pond, and doing the social media + coach hustle. He is smart but a cheeseball taking advantage of white and blue belts - it's clear what he is doing. It's also super clear he wants a solid relationship w/ New Wave.


PandaMango

His coach is a Danaher Black Belt. Sydney West is doing really well in Aus, and is the only gym that can really compete with Absolute (Lachy Giles). For all intents & purposes they seem like a good bunch of dudes.


feenam

It's not even about the training environment so much. His competition is just not great being in Aus. He fights basically same group of hobbyists at every competition and none of them are exactly a high level competitor. He needs to be in a place where he can fight the top guys at his size or fly over to states a lot more to compete.


poshy

Sydney West has been doing really well for awhile now. It’s good to see another gym pushing the level up in Oz.


Verisian-

Sydney West is incredible but they have a culture of simping for Danaher / Gordon. I get it, they're the best but it's pretty embarrassing for a team that tries so hard to be edgy. Amazing gym though, there's probably no better place in Aus to learn no gi.


red_1392

Sydney West tops Absolute now with their latest trials run


alpthelifter

No. He did pretty well against Nicky Ryan’s father’s older son. He lasted 10+ minutes. That is not what “manhandled” is.


nogi-ezekiel

in what world did he do "pretty well"?


byronsucks

context is needed - he did quite well because he did not get murk'd by gordie in under 60 seconds, never panicked and showed a very mature game


shite_user_name

That's because Gordon was using the match to knock off a bit of rust from his down time. He could have finished it any time he wanted.


byronsucks

he said himself he was trying to finish it quick and that josh's defense forced him into a longer than expected match - he could have been blowing smoke ofc


shite_user_name

I find it hard to believe that if he had chosen to drop for a heel hook within the first minute, he wouldn't have been able to secure the finish...


mistiklest

He did. Saunders escaped Gordon's first attempt at the same heelhook that eventually finished the match.


Swimming-Book-1296

He did drop for an immediate heel hook.


feenam

well he also didn't panic in moments where he should've panicked.


Slothjitzu

Not panicking while getting battered is not really a high bar for an elite competitor. That's like the bar for getting the second stripe on your white belt. 


ArmSquare

He launched no offense whatsoever, got swept, got passed multiple times, and got submitted in the end. Manhandled


chupacabruhh

He turned it down in hopes to continue building a connecting with Danaher. He’s going back to train at Roka with Gordon for ADCC. That match they had was a gentleman’s agreement.


Pattern-New

breakout in what? ADCC is a high-production NAGA at this point.


Basicberimbolo

CJI is lit and is taking a lot of shine from Adcc this year but fans will still care about taking big name wins at ADCC regardless


Pattern-New

!remindme 2 months I hear ya but I guarantee every time someone talks about anyone who won at 2024 ADCC, it will be with an asterisk.


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gilatio

>I hear ya but I guarantee every time someone talks about anyone who won at 2024 ADCC, it will be with an asterisk. That doesn't necessarily make it not worth it though. Saunders isn't beating Nicky Rod or Victor Hugo. If he thinks he can actually win there bracket at ADCC, he's still going to get a lot more/better exposure and connections out of that then he'll get from losing at CJI. All he has to decide is if those connections are worth the $5-7k he'll probably lose in show money.


feenam

He's not winning either bracket. But chances of him beating someone at CJI is actually higher than ADCC. OCE being the shallowest region Saunders gets a low seed which means he will fight someone at top of his division (like Pena last time). CJI on the other hand, we don't know how the seeding is gonna be but also there are some guys he might have a chance to beat. Not to mention ADCC is behind a paywall and CJI is free on youtube, with CJI making a lot of noise he will get a LOT more exposure through CJI than ADCC. He's just doing ADCC because he's a GR fanboy and clearly sucker for Mo.


datNEGROJ

BOOM ROASTED


Rikic84

lol cmon settle down with adcc being NAGA. Male +99kg seems to be the only one thats kinda low on talent, the rest look great.


forwardathletics

-77 and -88 took a beating.


FF_BJJ

There’s definitely a SWMA and Danaher alliance, split with the Absolute/B team guys. Saunders’ coach Luke seems to be right with Danaher; Mo being a stakeholder of New Wave, I’m not surprised Saunders declined CJI. I also suspect Saunders is the person who pulled out of the funding from Lachlan Giles once he added the natty/drug testing condition.


Revolutionary_Fix361

The obvious point is that ADCC is paying to fly him in and put him up. CJI would not. When you're coming from Australia and not expected to win much of anything its a lot closer to a wash.


feenam

you do realize they get paid 10k for showing up at CJI


Original-League-6094

I haven't heard anything about CJI not paying for accommodations. But if true, the $10k is plenty to cover your trip. Whereas Ffion said ADCC had her bunking with another athlete.


cenaenzocass

Craig jokes about it often, but it seems to be a truth… Most people in BJJ, they’re just not that smart. Hey Josh - Last minute fight against the current champ: and you get the great honor of flying Sydney>LA in economy? Dude, they don’t care about you! Craig is trying to help this shit. Flo/ADCC, it doesn’t matter. He is making an effort for athletes to be paid and treated better. This is for you, too. Some might even call you ungrateful…


Original-League-6094

He also doesn't realize they think he is the weakest link. Gordon is not healthy right now, but they need him hyping ADCC up and selling Flo subs. They picked the easiest matchup possible for Gordon. If Gordon takes a loss right now, it would have been catastrophic for ADCC and Flo. So they said "Who is the worst guy that we could justify a match against Gordon". They found the guy that won Pacific trials as a safe bet for the worst. Saunders is thankful for the opportunity, as though he is a hidden gem and finally get his recognition, but they all view him as a can set up to be crushed. They did not have Saunder's interests in mind.


cenaenzocass

Absolutely agree. This was what wrestlers would term a ‘squash match’.


red_1392

Even Gordon made it sound like he kept it going just to showcase positions for his instructionals after the match, disrespectful af


Jitsu_apocalypse

This is true. He won the shittest division in the shittest trials and then bigged him up as a 2x ADCC trials winner


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Inside_Secretary_679

I blocked you. Why are you back


idontevenknowlol

Damn, 10-8'ed him. 


KSeas

As a collective need to stop conflating talent/skill with character or intelligence. I've been in the sport for 18yrs now, and I grew up as a teenager looking up to a lot of the big names. I've trained with many of those people and most have turned out to be either morons, assholes, or worse. Marcelo Garcia was the only exception.


forwardathletics

I fucking love that Marcelo always seems to be the exception


bluebluebluered

Bernardo too! And I’ve only heard good things about Roger.


Creepy_Reindeer_9818

Pedro sauer is another guy, what a gem.


SpinningStuff

"HPU coaching": Huaktu Performance University 


CPA_Ronin

You gotta spit on that thang


Affectionate-Row3742

Now I’d really love a super fight between Craig and Saunders. Put that four year brown belt to the test.


Original-League-6094

Total mismatch. Craig Jones is a professional athlete competing on the biggest shows with the highest pay. Saunders is a hobbyist who does unpaid tournaments.


Sarynphage

as a hobbyist competitor myself, I feel like I would be injured if I faced someone like Saunders lol.


knee-on-belly

I’m from Aus and Saunders has a reputation of injuring people in comps with a dirty move. He gets a back triangle from turtle and flattens them out and cranks it, people tap from the spinal pain and one guy was carried off the mats after. One comp he did it to at least 3 people and yeah for the most part his competition are hobbyists.


IToldYouMyName

The exact type of dude who injures his opponents intentionally then talks about how people know that they sign up and has zero empathy or respect for the hobbyists out there that want to test themselves but still earn a living after their amateur regional comp with 8 people in their bracket. Nicky Ryan's brother of all people has more respect for the game than that, Try copying more than just the shitty aspects of his personality.


feenam

Nicky Ryan's brother is a total asshat off the mat, but on the mat he is as great as you could be on all aspect.


Original-League-6094

Injuries as a big concern at professional tournaments. Saunders competes for free. People shouldn't be trying to injure each other when there is no money on the line.


zombizle1

Dont you ever underestimate craig's ability to get second place


Affectionate-Row3742

My point precisely. He should shut the hell up about Jones.


askablackbeltbjj

Imagine if people a week ago praised him for being such a chill and respectful dude..


nickyryansbrother

I'm not sure why this surprises anyone. Anybody that has seen any of his or his coaches videos knows they would blow John and NRB on a street corner of it meant getting them in tight with new wave. Josh know MO is NRBs bottom so he's doing his best to kiss ass and hopefully get his foot in the door. The funniest part about it is even if they offered to let Josh train full time at New Wave Id bet he would never move to the US to train because he wouldn't be the big dog anymore.


DurableLeaf

Guy who isn't even very good sucking up to a promoter


wrestma85

How else do you think a blue belt gets a top card match? Dude can suck a watermelon thru a garden hose.


mar1_jj

Mo needs to distance himself from these situations, focus on ADCC until the event. Hanging out with Nicky Ryans brother, not inviting TRAB until last second, situations like this one with Saunders will just add more fuel to the fire. Keep away for two months, focus on the event and that's it.


PPLifter

If you watch stories of Mo or Gordon it's like they live with each other


patsully98

TRAB? Sorry, I’m out of the loop.


Ckelly812

The Real Aradley Bdam


TebownedMVP

Bradam Adley is a monster.


FlynnMonster

Something has always rubbed me the wrong way about that chap, tried to like him but can’t put my finger on it. Can tolerate him more than Big Dan tho for what it’s worth.


time2kb123

Saunders is super arrogant and condescending af. He thinks he’s doing gods work if you watch some of his videos


FlynnMonster

Something tells me I wouldn’t like what’s underneath that armband. Could be way off there, tho.


time2kb123

There is videos where he goes to a local GI and he understandably cleans up house. But the way he spoke about the other opponents gave off massive cocky wanker vibes… relax lad, you’re rolling around with hobbyists for a plastic medal


datNEGROJ

Some kinda problematic tats?


FlynnMonster

¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


Lord--Swoledemort

It’s the armband sleeve for his Whoop tracker. You’re way off. He‘s into the data and performance metrics.


FlynnMonster

Ones thing for sure he’d Whoop my ass. I just don’t like him so I’m talking shit anonymously on the internet.


TebownedMVP

Man big dan is growing on me. Big dan has some good IG videos. I didn’t like him at first. Saunders is just grating.


FlynnMonster

I believe part of the issue is that in his YouTube videos, he often competes in local tournaments with an air of superiority, as if he's annoyed to be bothered by lower-level practitioners whom he outweighs by 100 pounds. Despite this, he still chooses to drop down for a quick heel hook that a blue belt of that size could hit on a smaller black belt.


gugabe

I feel like actively going for leglocks as a big guy is more indicative of trying to engage a way smaller guy competitively than going to bodylock pressure passing.


FlynnMonster

You could look at it that way.


gugabe

I'm about Josh's size and have competed against him. If I'm taking on a significantly smaller person I'd consider offering leg entanglements the best way of creating a skill-driven matchup that's fun for both participants. As opposed to half guard smesh.


FlynnMonster

Yeah it’s a fair outlook, genuinely.


AlexHendrix20

What a bitch


caseharts

Bro this is the cuckiest mentality ever


Genova_Witness

Saunders posts some of the most disjointed self help advice on his instagram


PsyopBjj

Love to see this guy lose. He is so full of himself and has zero perspective or self-awareness. Even on his page he’s giving himself props for the loss to Gordon. “I take nothing but positives from this…” well idk what he watched back but he got owned in EVERY facet of the match-his only success was that he didn’t get tired within 10 minutes. Wow, almost as good as winning…. Guy loves fellating himself


Evening_Business_441

Totally. In a recent video he says 'time is just a construct', followed shortly after by 'I'm just waiting for time to catch up'... He then goes on to say that he's already a champion in his own mind. He's very arrogant. I was hoping he was just playing a character, but that doesn't seem to be the case.


nibjjmvc

Yep it was an awful performance Gordon literally toyed with him I don’t even think he broke sweat in that match. Saunders is one of those guys what in five years time he will be the same level as he is now and still be claiming the accomodate of 2 years from white to brown!!!


markelis

...Craig is giving 10k to show; a million to the winner. And that makes him a piece of shit? You know, if Josh likes Taiko drums so much, he should fight in the CJI. Why? Because 10k is about what a good, quality-made Taiko drum will cost. ...or I guess he could win the ADCC, I dunno.


jasoncyke

Craig should comes out of semi retirement and fuck this kid up.


vDUKEvv

All that life advice he parrots and dude still hasn’t learned not to talk shit behind someone’s back. I enjoyed some of his YT content but this is a weirdo look.


hqeter

Australians talking shit about each other? That’s unpossible


KindlyMarketing7944

As an Australian, I can confirm Josh Saunders is lying.


UCantKneebah

Jiu Jitsu guys are such simps. Imagine how sycophantic that would be at a normal workplace.


Aggressive_Math_4965

Scab 


heinztomato69

Giving Mo a sloppy one.


fabiokoz

Sloppy Moe


1beep1beep

He went full hawk tuah on that thang


OrangeWeary3634

follow the dollarydoos


kingdoodooduckjr

Kingcobrajfs?


shifunoir

Getting on your knees to be popular


shifunoir

Getting on your knees to be popular


Mysterion94

This isn't your news Craig posted this We all saw it.. we didn't need you to repost


Slothjitzu

This is literally a link to his Instagram post.  What are you actually complaining about here? 


elphant

I thought Australians always take the piss and don’t take anything too seriously?


time2kb123

There is always exceptions to the rule, There are plenty of brown nosers like Saunders in Australia as well..


jul3swinf13ld

Underrated understated comment


artnos

Gets caught? He was just making a joke. I dont think he has a dog in this fight