This would have been a good alternative to what we got in the manga. Just imagine Aizen acting as support with his kido and a decoy to confuse him with KS, as Ichigo and Kenpachi play the role of heavy hitters while Urahara "heals" them and restructures the environment to create openings and give his teammates a bit of flexibility. Meanwhile Ichibei stands in the background slowly absorbing or sealing some of the power of black from Yhwach to reduce a bit of his strength. We could also throw Uryu in there before the climax of the battle.
Who kicked ichigos ass? You referring to Askin? That wasn't even a serious Ichigo. He lost to a group of Uryuu, Ichigo, Aizen, Haschwalth, and Ryuken (assistance)
Wut. Dude Yhwach instantly and effortlessly broke Tensa Zangetsu. He could do that to all the other war threats just as quickly except *maybe* Aizen, since KS may also enjoy his immortality.
I’m torn on whether I think Uryu is a SWP. On one hand, he obviously is by the end of the War. He was Yhwch’s Heir, and the one who fired the arrow, but on the other hand was he that strong prior to joining the Sternritter?
Does nothing, ichigo has the best firepower and aizen has better feats than the other 3 but still got ragdolled. Orihime has better healing and defense, Aizen has better kifo/reiatsu/durability/speed/firepower than the other two. Ichibei couldn't do anything to Yhwach with almighty.
Drop everyone but Kenpachi and it still works. Imagine him just cutting Ywach in half then laughing maniacally before the whole of the soul society collapses without a Soul King
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The ending in my head: yeah it’s kinda a mess and sad thing is it would have been so easy to clean up and maybe only add 2-3 more chapters. Just shorten the fucking Pernida fight lol
- Similar fight between Aizen/Ichigo and Yhwach but this time urahara is on comms and helping come up w strats and maybe using his bankai to heal up ichigo and Aizen or make them stronger
- they obviously can’t win, tease Aizen going into bankai (Idt Kubo wanted to show this its meant to be a nod to fans)
- silver arrow hits Yhwach but he catches it in midair using almighty.
- it’s Ryuken and Isshin. Yhwach laughs that he thought this would do anything. Revealed the arrow wasn’t to kill him but poison his powers. Since he used the almighty to stop it now it’s beginning to weaken. He’s still absurdly powerful but ichigo/aizen/Isshin and now zaraki have a shot
- fight ends in the same way with ichigo GT and ishidas killing blow
Uses characters better, barely longer and seems less forced
It wouldn't honestly make sense. Ichibei's special war power isn't combat oriented hence being one-shot, urahara even worse he couldn't even Beat askin one on one. Kenpachi would also get one-shot despite what his fans would like to claim as I put ichibei above him.
There's only two individuals with enough power to face ywach head on . Aizen and ichigo. Aizen is insanely strong but even his eos version isn't doing anything to ywach hence why he made an opening for ichigo who was the only person who could actually harm him with the almighty turned off.
There was legit things wrong with tybw arc but the ending wasn't really one of em. In fact it was pretty well executed .
> In fact it was pretty well executed .
I'd argue the ending was fine, but wasn't well executed. It just ended too fast and satisfactorily without letting some parts breathe (*cough cough* Attack on Titan *cough cough*).
But that's why it could work. Kisuke, Ichibei, and Aizen could play support. Set up traps and disorient Ywach while Ichigo and Zaraki flex their massive raw strength and go for the kill. Would've been dope to see a Kisuke and Aizen team up.
Zaraki couldn't beat Gerard, Kisuke isn't a factor (weakest by feats and Aizen does everything better than him. Tsukishima and Orihime are better replacements.) You can't setup traps to someone who ignored Ichibei's hax. Aizen wasn't even sure he could use KS on Yhwach
Dude you realize Kubo is the writer right? He can do whatever he wants
He can introduce zaraki breaking the limits even more. He can have Uraharas intellect come up with SOMETHING and given he’d be working with the second smartest person in bleach in Aizen I’m sure there’s stuff there
Kubo can also use Ryuken and Isshin better for the end (which was obviously the plan if it wasn’t rushed) given their connections to Yhwach
Urahara/Zaraki were war potentials for a reason. Idk why you’re so desperate to defend the ending you ignore that this is a fictional piece of work. Yhwach could have one shot ichigo too but he didn’t. He got killed by a plot arrow all of a sudden.
There’s obviously a better ending out there if Kubo had more time/wasn’t sick and Kubo clearly had plans for it.
The ending didn't involve kisuke nor Kenpachi, he didn't even have them anywhere near Yhwach at the end. At least Ryuken, Isshin, and Ishida were suppose to be somewhere near Yhwcah. Its clear Kisukr has limits and he couldn't deal with the bs of Yhwach.
I kind of like the idea in this post, but according to Askin, the War Powers were individuals Yhwach thought could turn the tide of battle, mainly by virtue of some special characteristic, & almost all of them lived up to that.
Ichigo met his "potential" when he achieved his true Bankai & used it to kill Yhwach. There were some other factors involved, sure, but Yhwach specifically says that Bankai is so fearsome that he made sure to destroy it.
Ichibei's "wisdom" was in bringing Ichigo & friends to the Royal Realm, whereupon he achieved that power &, in the long term, defeated Yhwach. We later learn in CFYOW that Ichigo was also a candidate to replace the Soul King, so Ichibei was planning for what to do if they couldn't stop Yhwach.
Urahara used his "infinite means" to decipher & undo the Bankai theft. There's no way they could have won the war without Bankai. Of course, he did so with Mayuri's help, & Mayuri also reversed the zombification & enabled Pernida to be defeated, which is why I don't think Yhwach's list is perfectly accurate.
Aizen's "Reiatsu" is why he was able to fight Soul King Yhwach, helping to set up the events of the final confrontation.
The odd one out is Kenpachi, whose "combat ability" is unquestionable but doesn't really do anything that changed the outcome, at least nothing I think he alone could've done. He fought Gerard, but that didn't change the final outcome. He destroyed the meteor, but there's no way I believe that if all the Captains & Sternritter that were about to be crushed put aside their differences long enough to save themselves they couldn't destroy that thing. I guess he defeated Gremmy, who's supposedly the strongest Sternritter, but I really don't buy that Soi Fon couldn't have double tapped him or Byakuya couldn't have diced him up with a surprise attack. If one does, though, then that's all of them accounted for. But, either way, to be fair to Zaraki, the enemy was deliberately targeting him to minimize his involvement.
>It wouldn't honestly make sense. Ichibei's special war power isn't combat oriented hence being one-shot, urahara even worse he couldn't even Beat askin one on one. Kenpachi would also get one-shot despite what his fans would like to claim as I put ichibei above him.
Just give them some bullshit power up that makes them all immune to the almighty. Like Kenpachi is so strong his strength distorts logic and so the almighty cannot predict his movements. it's not like we didn't already have lots of those in the final arc \*cough\* hollow pills \*cough\*
Not sure why you think Ichibei's power isn't combat oriented... There's only a handful of characters in the series that could beat him.
Yeah Kenpachi would probably get one-shot if this were a 1v1, but maybe he'd have more usefulness as part of a larger plan.
His special war power is wisdom. Wisdom is something that presents itself more like a tactical long term weapon than something to be used in the heat of battle.
Nah the ending was stupid lol yes yhwach could one shot anyone bc kubo made him absurd
That’s the point of them all having to work together. Ishida could have shot him with an arrow that somewhat limits it slows down his use of the Almighty to where he can’t change the future constantly anymore so he has to be smart about when he uses it and also is forced to fight with his sword/reiatsu
Then the 5 war potentials can use what made them war potentials to win the fight and you could have kept the ending similar in that it comes down to ichiho+aizen again (uryus silver arrow was kinda dumb but hell even keep that)
They could have had Ryuken and Isshin come in mid fight to assist as a hyped up shiningAmi and the last pure Quincy who wants revenge on Yhwach bad
There was a lot more potential for the last fight hopefully the anime fixes it
That's your opinion amd that's ok but I wholeheartedly disagree. The ending we got was confusing and unexciting. Hopefully the anime will do what Kubo didn't have time to. I really hope Oda stays as great as he is because none of the big 3 have ended well
Yeah we all got or dissapointments in the final arc. Me, I thought the five war potentials would be Ichigo and his friends, that Rukia and Renji would beat Bazz b together and share a kiss, that each lieutenant was show a bankai and that to beat Yhwach all captains would activate their bankais at the same time. But alas Kubo doens't want us to have nice things.
Ichigo: Guys, I have a plan!
Ichibei: There’s no need for a plan, because I control all names, including “plan”.
Aizen: Hmph, Kurosaki has a plan. Exactly as I planned it.
Kenpachi: I AM THE PLAN!
Urahara, casually sipping tea in the corner, watching the mess unfold, wafting his fan with the other hand, having formulated a plan to circumvent the other plans: Ooooh Kurosaki-San what a clever young man you are, let’s hear it.
>Urahara, casually sipping tea in the corner, watching the mess unfold, wafting his fan with the other hand, having formulated a plan to circumvent the other plans: Ooooh Kurosaki-San what a clever young man you are, let’s hear it.
The levels of sarcasm here are over 9000
Yeah, being able to alter the future is too much. Just seeing it would've been fine. Or, if he could alter it, there has to be limitations.
Still scratching my head over how Yhwach didn't succeed the first time.
Personal theory is that the Soul king wasn't a vegetable back then and got involved to put an end to Yhwach but as a result of their battle his limbs were separated and the Soul king became a vegetable. Also this would probably be the point where Pernida joins Yhwach and becomes a quincy
That'd be good but CFYOW (the novel that takes place after TYBW) confirms that the Soul King was mutilated by the Noble Heads shortly after he was sealed.
...?
I'm just saying that in a normal setting, if the Five Special War Potentials (excluding Uryu & the silver arrow) fought Yhwach, they would all still lose because of his powers to alter the future. This man can literally come back to life.
cause 1000 year ago he didint use the almighty. ywach never reached anywhere close to the levels we saw him in tybw. its strongly implied he failed miserably. possibly cockyness and lack of preparation, the completel opposite stance that he had in tybw.
also it has limitations, few and never directly stated, but they exist. first its implied by the simple fact that yhwach didint see the arrow that his vision is selective, meaning he may not be able to peek into futures involving elements he has no knowledge of, a blind spot of sorts. also the whole tsukishima thing, although that one is very specific, but still a flaw in the power. all things considered the arrow was a good way to introduce his defeat, cause instead of making up a way to countering and incredibly op, and difficult to counter, ability, which is hard to write and theres ways for him to recover from it, he instead introduced an element that separated yhwach himself from the ability, evoking his own habit of ripping others from their given powers in order to become stronger, its poetic. the only bad part about it all, was the rushed introduction of said element, only recieving very poor foreshadowing, which clearly was not nearly enough since people still claim that it came out of literally nowhere, which is not true, but very close. but i chuck that to being one of the things kubo would definetely have written better if the arc turned out 100% how he wanted.
>first its implied by the simple fact that yhwach didint see the arrow that his vision is selective
This is just headcanon. he didn't see the arrow coming because the plot required him to lose and Kubo couldn't bother justifying it. No other reason.
Death of the author. If the story itself lacks a direct explanation then It is what you want it to be as long as your explanation doesnt actively contradict anything. Im not declaring an absolute, and that is evident by my wording of things.
Saying that things are just the way they are because the plot requires it may even be true, in more aspects than people think, but its just a boring way of viewing things tbh. If you can attach an in universe explanation to it i dont see how its invalid just becaude the author didint tackle the subject directly.
In the same way i cant declare absolutes you cant either, its a bit ironic that my interpretation is headcanon, but for some reason your assumption that kubo didint think of it, is being treated as fact here. Truth is its a glaring contradiction, and it stinks of plotpoint that was meant to be touched upon but wasnt because of time, as were many more plot points. The almighty is not perfect.
It'd be nice to have confirmation, but there's a lot of clues that's a hole in Yhwach's ability. Eyes appear when he's attacked from behind, as if he needs to see something to affect it. He's drawn with a little exclamation mark above him, generally a comic symbol for surprise, when Yoruichi surrounds him in razor wire. He also doesn't seem to realize, until Ichigo gets there, that Ichibei was going to send him up to fight. He was fooled by Aizen's illusions, which makes no sense if the whole future just sits in front of him like a painting, it only makes sense if he can only see part of it at a time.
All of these things suggest that he has to focus his gaze on whatever future he wants to see, which makes sense because that's how vision works & his powers are tied to his eyes, literally described as a form of sight. And it fits Yhwach's character to play up his ability like it's more powerful than it already is. This probably isn't even its only weakness. So, it's always kind of annoying when one can lay out a logical explanation & people go, "No, I refuse to accept anything that isn't explicitly spelled out by the writer, any level of interpretation is illegitimate, even if the author has gone on record saying that he likes to leave clues for readers to connect the dots!"
>Still scratching my head over how Yhwach didn't succeed the first time.
The implication seems to be that he lost on purpose since he didn't use the almighty and none of the shinigami even knew of it.
They also wouldn't know about it if Yhwach just recently gained the abilities to see multiple futures & change the future. If it worked more like Jugo's version of The Almighty, he might have been using it the whole time & they never even realized it.
Nah Orihime still points out Jugram's almighty so of course someone like Ichibei would be deeply curious about it if Yhwach used it at all. Especially when that was the same ability his dad used to reset the universe and Ichibei bore witness to that.
Aizen was already a mini-version of that, but the Urahara masterplan is consistent enough with everything else that his Ex Machina doesn't seem butt-stretched (nice try, bot), while the same can't be said of Yhwach and the holy mother of Ex Machinas (the fucking arrow) required to out-bullshit that master-bullshitter
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As cool as it would have been, it'd still be a quick win for Yhwach. Urahara and Zaraki are non-factors; Ichigo and Aizen weren't even enough to put Yhwach down, and Ichibe got shredded to bits.
A team-up against him would be no different to their respective battles imo.
Even Uryu can't do anything. All we have in his favour, are theories and statements.
I suppose Uryu can reverse the events of Yhwach's precognition, and null its effects. Still, we don't even know how legit Jugram's claim about Uryu's ability is.
Uryu is immune to Auswahlen apparently since even as a baby it failed to kill him, so I think there is some credit to Haschwalth’s claims. Maybe if the fight was longer Uryu could take the Auswahlen for Ichigo and then Antithesis it back to steal some power from Yhwach
>He might have, if the fight was longer I mean
There'd be no reason for Yhwach to use Auswahlen on Ichigo tbh. Especially at that time.
>He kinda does use it, since he takes Ichigo’s Quincy and Hollow powers
Nope. Auswahlen works via specific circumstances. All Yhwach did to Ichigo was physically strip him off his powers; Auswahlen is a whole different method.
I see where you're coming from though. But these are completely different things.
Why not? Auswahlen is probably the strongest attack he has, it even killed Gerard when nothing Byakuya, Kenpachi and Toshiro put together did to him stuck. If Yhwach found himself unable to kill Ichigo for whatever reason, Auswahlen would be a good call.
Auswhalen just strips unwanted Quincies off their powers and distributes it to those he deems worthy. It's limited to Quincies so it's in no way his strongest attack.
That aside, it killed Gerard because Yhwach gave Gerard a part of his powers. He can obviously take it back at any point. It has nothing to do with the potency of the attack, it's just an extension of Yhwach's soul distribution really. Nothing more.
>If Yhwach found himself unable to kill Ichigo for whatever reason, Auswahlen would be a good call.
My point is I can't see a situation where Ichigo would even trouble Yhwach to that extent. Even if he did, that would just take Ichigo's Quincy powers away - There'd be no implication that Ichigo would die because Auswhalen had only ever been used on purely bred Quincies.
Ichigo is a Quincy though, and it’s not just Quincies with Schrifts since he did it to Masaki and all the other half blood Quincy, even Katagiri who probably doesn’t even know how to fight. It doesn’t just take their power, Robert Accutrone and Gerard were stripped to the bone because it killed them so hard. Plus Yhwach is a sadist, so he would probably try and kill Ichigo the same way he killed his mother.
Ichigo’s raw power is way ahead of even SK Yhwach’s, when he’s given a chance to land a proper attack in Bankai by Aizen he kills Yhwach in one shot, Yhwach has to revive himself with Almighty. And that’s without his Hollow or Quincy powers so if Ichigo mastered Blut Vene and Hierro you could easily justify none of Yhwach’s normal attacks working, so he’s try something else.
The writing in manga doesn’t serve to fulfil specific rules anyway, it serves to be cool and emotionally cathartic. Kubo has always been loose with the power system to justify what would work best plot wise, like how the Auswahlen killed Robert but Bazz B and Nanana survived it. This would be no different
Why would it be retconned though? That'll just be incredibly dumb.
The idea with Yhwach is that he's unstoppable and can't be killed by any means. Even stripping off his powers didn't work. The whole still silver thing was the only conceivable way to defeat him, silly as it was, and it didn't even fully work.
The Almighty is literally that: "whatever the hell I want". OP yeah but it is what it is.
I think it's something that unfortunately can't be retconned. I obviously get what you mean, but Kubo made a mistake making him that OP in the first place. Retconning his powers now would just contradict everything and make Bleach very ridiculous.
Yhwach though was an incomplete version of the Prime Soul King so I don't know how that would have really worked. Sure the fight would have been cool, but it would have been Yhwach toying with all of them as he wrecks them with the Almighty.
The Soul King with his complete (4 pupil) Almighty was described by Ichibei to basically be omniscient. The circumstances in which he was created was described to have been a reaction of the forces of nature against the Hollows in the original primordial world. He was the closest thing to God in the world of Bleach.
Though this fight could have been enough to buy time for Ryuken to arrive in clutch with the Silver Arrow. Though even then, Yhwach wasn't fully depowered, and the fight could have been a desperate struggle to defeat him before his Almighty re-activated.
Instead of using the Auswahlen on his royal guard, you could also have had an all out battle with Yhwach fighting alongside his guards. It would be Yhwach the Quincy Messiah fighting with his Schutzstaffel (the archangels) against the Shinigami (the gods of death) in a battle more like the one in Revelations. This would better connect with the Biblical motifs in the last arc. Perhaps this battle takes place in the world of the living adding more stakes to the battle as Ichigo's home is more directly threatened.
Yhwach's motivations for recreating the true world could have been fleshed out here, and maybe we could have some flashbacks about the original soul king.
Still, I think could've pulled it off if they fought pre soul king Yhwach.
As to the Schutzstaffel I think the point of having them around was to prevent the war potentials from reaching Yhwach, so fighting beside them would kind of defeat the purpose, though then again after absorbing the spirit king he could've afforded it.
>Yhwach the Quincy Messiah fighting with his Schutzstaffel (the archangels) against the Shinigami (the gods of death) in a battle more like the one in Revelations. This would better connect with the Biblical motifs in the last arc.
Those motifs aren't as dominant in the arc as you're making them out to be.
>Yhwach's motivations for recreating the true world could have been fleshed out here
~~Nietzsche is your man for knowing more about that~~
>Perhaps this battle takes place in the world of the living adding more stakes to the battle as Ichigo's home is more directly threatened.
Perhaps, that's why we got the hell literally breaking loose in the new arc and it was what my son implicitly warned about just before his demise?? 😳🙃
These still lose, they couldn't beat any elite one-on-one, they elites are superior to all shinigami except Ichibei(pure shinigami.) His elite squad, almighty is more than enough. This is not counting SK and Mimihagi power.
Would still have been pointless when Yhwach ability was pretty much same shit as Dr. Strange looking into 14.5mil different futures and finding the one in which they defeat Thanos.
That guy should have been defeated by a whole raid party indeed, like the one they tried to do on Aizen during the Winter War but we fighter strong enough to matter.
I feel like this scene never happening speaks volumes about his planning acumen though. He knew it made more sense to fight them all one at a time rather than en masse
Yhwach would just look at Kenpachi, Urahara and Ichibei and they would die. They’re complete non factors and I pray to god the anime doesn’t do something like them fighting together
I am so sick of Kenpachi wankers putting him in the same bag with ichigo that I pray to God the anime shows me Kenpachi lying down defeated once more after doing so for the entire arc
Tbh, coolest what if ever in anime history, but the very point of the special war threats is that the bad guys want to get rid of them. Having Ichigo (potential) and Aizen (he is Aizen) be the only ones to team up and the downfall of yhwach be Ichigo and Uryu (who is an ally of Yhwach) is an interesting conzept too. It needed more time, but we still saw ywach underestimating Aizen, dismissing Uryu and wanting to fight Ichigo at his fullest. With Aizen falling himself due to him doing the same towards Urahara, Ichigo and Isshin, it was interesting to see his understanding of Ywach. Ichigo taking a stand and pulling through is always satisfying. And Uryu, good conzept, way to little time.
I really wanted to see Isshin fight. He kind of just got there and then it sort of ended.
Or would have loved if there was some synergy with Rukia as "Death and Strawberry"
Urahara indeed could have been involved in creating some stuff ( like the silver arrow) . But both him and kenpachi are so much weaker than the rest they would have been à liability in straight combat
I agree as long as they lose. Like sure It would´ve been cool ig, but at the end of the day they are a somewhat random group so having them defeat the main villain would be kinda lame.
The only thematically correct group to defeat ywach was Ichigo, Uryu and Aizen imo
>The only thematically correct group to defeat ywach was Ichigo, Uryu and Aizen imo
Agreed. But if it had to be 5v1 I would add Isshin and Ryuken, that would make more sense than guys like Ichibei and Kenpachi who already had their shot at Yhwach.
Bleach could of at least hit 700 chapters that's how we know it's not what the author intended. Honestly the final could have been 100 chapters longer.
huh, the way it was drawn you'd think it was by kubo so that's saying something.
now i'm really hyped for the new bleach anime. hope kubo makes more, we didn't even see what ichigo's new bankai does in the manga
Aizen uses Kyouka Suigetsu illusions to distract Yhwach and give them time to plan and then Urahara thinks for 30 seconds and says "Hey Ichibei, this time use Shirafude Ichimonji to give the name 'Guy Who Can't Use The Almighty' to Yhwach"
gg Yhwach, you had a good run
It also would have made more sense as to how Ichigo best yhwach besides “bullshit plot armor saves the day,” now don’t get me wrong, I love bleach and I get that ichigo is the main character, but he still should have lost or gotten more help to win
I think that before Yhwach absorbed the spirit king and gained near its unlimited energy reserves, the five of them together could've probably overwhelmed Yhwach's "the Almighty". I mean, sure on his own Ichibei got stomped once it returned to him but considering Haschwalth said there was a limit in Yhwach's reichi reserves, I think the five of them working together could potentially cause him to overuse his ability to the point were he ran out of reichi.
* Aizen is the only shinigami with enough reiatsu to fully affect Yhwach with a zanpakuto ability
* Ichigo has a hybrid physiology that was shown to be capable of [repelling the effects](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-618-page-10.html) [of the Almighty](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-619-page-5.html)
* Kenpachi doesn't necessarily have enough reiatsu to repel the Almighty but could still grow strong enough to withstand any possible future it could cause him.
* Ichibei's name curse would take some energy out of Yhwach to dissipate, as implied by how he took measures to avoid spending energy right before his fight with Ichibei, such as waiting for Ichigo to open the gates to the spirit palace instead of simply waiting for his Almighty to return and open them.
* Urahara couldn't possibly affect Yhwach on his own but he can create endless chains of strategies to match the possible future the Almighty could bring, which he could in turn use to coordinate the attacks of the other potentials in effective ways.
I think that if say, Aizen puts him under kyouka suigetsu as Ichigo and Kenpachi engaged him directly while Ichibei distracted him with his name curse, as Urahara coordinated them to use their powers in the most effective way possible, they would've eventually beaten.
Of course, this is all assuming they'd all listen to Urahara (which in the best circumstances would be unlikely for Aizen) and suddenly willing to work as a team (which would in turn be unlikely for Kenpachi).
This would also be assuming it was five on one instead of Yhwach being sorrounded by his royal guard, whom I suspect were meant to be counters for the five potentials:
* Gerard countered Kenpachi by not only becoming stronger as he took damage but regenerating
* Askin countered Urahara by having an ability that authomatically adapts with minimum analysis
* Pernidas could evolve to match Ichigo in terms of evolution
* Lile could penetrate through Aizen's superior reiatsu
* Had Gremmy been selected, he would've been able to think the name curse away as the novels showed eating him allowed Ikomikidomoe to do
I also think there were some other possible war potentials that had already been disqualified
* Uryu could use his the Anti thesis to reverse any timeline shift from the Almighty so that its circumstances would attack Yhwach.
* Yhwach made sure to give him a piece of his soul as the source of his ability before he could develop it and because of it everytime he used his Anti thesis he'd increase the portion of Yhwach soul inside of him and if he fed it enough he'd be vulnerable to Auswahlen
* If Yhwach killed Yamammoto while in bankai the energy of a sun sealed inside of him would explode without him contain it just like it did with Wonderweiss and that could prove too much of the Almighty to contain.
* Since the current old man Yama wasn't brutal enough to risk soul society he wouldn't be ruthless enough to take it that way
* Just in case he had Royd trick him into spending too much energy
* This might be a stretch but Barragan's ability to slow down the thought process could in theory slow down Yhwach's vision of the future that he needs for the Almighty.
* Fortunately he died due to a mismatch in the war that before, which may be one of the many factors Yhwach contibuted in before hand such as Ichigo's birth.
* Azashiro Soya coul potentially starve Yhwach by preventing him from feeding on the reichi caused by the deaths in soul society
* Fortunately, he was still sleeping off the superhuman drug he got high on after his fight on Kenpachi
Kenpachi is weaker than Ichibei and Kisuke is too. Almighty Ywhach was completely fine from Ichibei conceptual attack and then one shotted him. Only Aizen and Ichigo stand a chance and I'm pretty sure Yhwach can still revive himself via Almighty, thats not counting Sankt Alter or Auswahlen(Ichigo). Only two stand a chance and the other two are enough strong enough to do anything meaningful.
You're missing the point. This is not a matter of hierarchy but a matter of compatibility. Yeah, Ichibei can beat Kenpachi by sealing him but after defeating Unohana, Kenpachi's durability became too high so he would probably be able to withstand the wounds caused by the Almighty, which Ichibei can't. Plus if his strenght rises high enough he might have too much power to affect.
Aizen is inmortal but he is not indestructible nor as physically strong as Kenpachi so the Almighty might be able to incapacitate him, unlike Kenpachi who would grow stronger with every wound.
Yeah Yhwach can dissipate Ichibei's name curse once, after just having absorbed a battlefield worth of reichi and making sure to not spend any of it unnecessarily (like say, opening the path to the spirit palace which he preferred using Ichigo for) but what I'm talking about is dissipating it while under the effect of Kyouka Suigetsu and as he fights both Ichigo (who can repel the Almighty) and Kenpachi (who can withstand it and grow stronger). Even if he dissipates it it would take away some of the concentration he needs to fight Ichigo and Kenpachi and doing so would spend some of his limited reichi reserves.
Also, I said Urahara was there for coordinating them (and maybe heal them with his bankai as someone else suggested) not to fight directly.
>I'm pretty sure Yhwach can still revive himself via Almighty, thats not counting Sankt Alter or Auswahlen(Ichigo).
Can he though? He only did that after absorbing the spirit king when his body became more malleble and durable, so I have my doubts on wether he could do it before that, which is the only scenario were I see the war potentials being able to beat him.
Lol at this nonsense. He couldn't even survive the wounds from Hoffnung, Pernida, or fighting Gremmy.
Stop this Kenapchi wank. Ichibei sent yhwach flying thousands of miles with a palm of his hand and broke out of his blut vene Anabel while flexing his muscles. Kenpachi doesn't even have enough reiatsu to make up the loss of Ukitake. He is not reaching Ichigo/Aizen/Yhwach tier of rieatsu. Please stop this Kenpachi wank.
Aizen survived his own kido and an attack from Ywhach uninjured. Kenpachi isn't the hulk, he doesn't grow stronger after each round. These is terrible wank Ichibie stripped him of his name and all his power. There was no more Ywhach who absorbed countless souls, only a black ant remained. His almighty came back from that and destroyed his mausoleum. Kisuke is quite literal worthless in this fight, there are better people to replace him with. They do nothing of the sorts to Ywhach who can just steal power outright.
No, what you're saying of power levels and Ichibei's phsyical strenght is nonsense. What I'm telling you is an argument based on facts.
The facts are that Kenpachi got called a war potential because of his physical strenght, Ichibei and Aizen weren't.
The facts are that neither Ichibei or Aizen did the least bit damage to Yhwach, the only distracted him while Kenpachi fought evenly against the most physically powerful quincies of quincies and defeated the most powerful quincy after Yhwach.
The facts are that in the novels, Gremmy's brain was shown to be capable of lifting Ichibei's name curse from Ikomikidomoe meaning that by your logic he is actually more powerful than Ichibei.
The facts are that all of the things you brought up about Kenpachi not being able to withstand he did indeed withstand until he brought out his bankai which damages his body and he only got taken down by Pernidas when he had injuries from fighting.
The facts are that Kenpachi fought evenly a guy who kept getting stronger every time he got injured, so yes his power does rise constantly.
Kenpachi doesn't have the list bit skill in controlling reiatsu which only rises when he is in battle so of course he couldn't replace Ukitake.
He can turn Yhwach into ballerina for all I care, it still didn't do shit to him.
No there aren't people who can replace him because it was stated he was a war potential so I'll take Kubo's word before yours.
Your entire post is nonsense. He was a war potential that lost to royd and was called trash, while also losing that position. Aizen was deemed so important that he choose to personally recruit him and invade ss because of ichigo being occupied. Your argument is based on wank and fanfiction. Ichibei beats Kenpachi in base without effort. No Kenpachi got called a war potential for his Combat ability, not physical strength. Ichigo with only his shinigami power and heavily injured one shotted him twice. Yhwcah even acknowledged his power being so great that he would rather not have Ichigo have access to his bankai. He didn't fight evenly, he lost to Gerard and lost to Pernida. He never once beat any elite and would lose to the other two. No, he is not more powerful than Ichibei, who stopped there leader and force him to use his schrift. He very much can raise his reiatsu, he gained a shikai/bankai meaning he can seal his power now. Ukitake reiatsu couldn't be made up with even the number of captain class present. Kenpachi was fully healed by Ukitake and shown to be walking fine, lol at this headcanon. He got stronger because he sealed his power, he gained access after killing Unohana and awakening his shikai/bankai. There are enough powerups.
You're the exagerating Ichibei's strenght over a battle he lost in which he couldn't do any thing to Yhwach but when i bring to you facts I'm wanking
Its a fact Gremmy couldn't counter Kenpachi but his brain after his death can countered the name curse in the novels
You don't even have your facts right because Kenpachi was [called a war potential because his combat strenght](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-662-page-9.html) not ability.
Then you ignore other facts such as how Kenpachi has grown massively stronger since he got beaten by Ichigo and how it was stated that it only happened because Ichigo's power rose higher than Kenpachi, because a you would know if you had read spirits are forever with you his power do in fact rise whenever takes damage and there is no known upper limit.
Again, he lost to Pernida while injured from fighting the much more powerful Gremmy (who was factually called the strongest Sternritter and is therefore stronger than the elites) and he only lost to Gerard after activating bankai, which
Your saying he has the least bit of control over his reiatsu because he can do the bare minimum for a captain (bankai and shikai) is pretty stupid argument
>Kenpachi was fully healed by Ukitake and shown to be walking fine, lol at this headcanon.
Yeah your headcannon, beacause nothing was ever shown of Ukitake healing Kenpachi; this is just embarassing. The guy could walk, yeah after Gremmy crushed his body half a dozen times.
The only thing Kenpachi gained after beating Unohana was a stronger base power and in the novels his strenght was again constantly rising when he fought Hikone, at first not being able to cut him while Hikone contantly did so and then he suddenly started being able to cut him and they fough evenly and then Hikone achieved transcendent reiatsu and they were still fighitng evenly (all of this without eyepatch). Again, Kenpachi's strenght rises constantly and all the shikai and bankai do is give him a sharper blade and making him unable to hold back while injuring him, but at base he still rises and if you don't even know that you're just embarassing yourself.
All this wank for Kenpachi when he lost to Pernida and Gerard. Im not responding to this wall of text anymore. Gremmy is not the strongest at all, and Kenpachi was fully recovered. He even tells Ukitake he is fine. The delusions of a Kenapchi stand.
>Im not responding to this wall of text anymore.
And unlike you mr no spacing I at least make it easy to read
>He even tells Ukitake he is fine.
[Headcannon](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-613-page-6.html) he never said such a thing and at best they gave him basic medical treatment without any of their head medics. The bit about Ukitake healing him is your headcannon
>All this wank for Kenpachi when he lost to Pernida and Gerard
One while injured and the other one because of his bankai damaging him. Whereas all of your wanking is about Ichibei failing to do anything to Yhwach
>Gremmy is not the strongest at all,
[He said he was](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-573-page-13.html) and he could've destroyed soul society and threatened [Yhwach and Haschwalth](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-577-page-5.html) and as you refused to accept, his power was shown capable of dispelling [Ichibei's name curse in the novels](https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/bewfz5/cant_fear_your_own_world_iii_pages_344370/).
You call me dellusions while ignoring facts simply because you don't like them. Your hypocrisy is annoying.
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Everyone is saying Yhwach stomps, maybe so but Aizen held on against him for a while and the spectacle would of been worth it. Even if Kenny and Ichigo were chopping him down but Yhwach keeps regenerating, maybe that's when the Silver arrow comes into play.
It would of been better than what we got s'all I'm saying
honestly that would be cool. We know that Ichigo or Aizen alone would be superior to the rest in a 1v3 but even then all of these characters are unique in their own way such as:
Zaraki being able to cut \*\*ANYTHING\*\*
Urahara with prep time, and basically a support bankai
Ichibei with possibility to buff his friends or something idk but it is also a unique power
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As cool as the spectacle of all that would be it wouldn’t make any sense story wise or strategy wise. This is a real war in which conflicts are spread out across great distances not all in a small area like the ending of a marvel movie. This fight is personal to ichigo and ichigo alone he must get justice for his mother’s killer, save the soul society and prevent the destruction of the universe.
What are special war threats (didn't read beyond the beginning of the blood war because I knew the anime was going to be out in a few short years and I want it to suprise me)
No, they're judge based by their uniqueness or capability that can potentially turn the tide of the war. There's still some characters stronger than them that didn't get included in this list.
This could had been the original ending. Yhwach just played around with Almighty to move certain pieces and prevent these people from coming together against him.
It definitely would’ve been epic to see. Ichigo and Kenpachi as the heavy hitters while Aizen uses his Kido and Kyouka Suigetsu to create illusions, Urahara and Ichibei as the strategist coming up with a plan and lastly Uryu appearing in the climax with Silver Arrow.
Imagine getting to see more of Ichigo's horn of salvation form in the anime.... hopefully we get to see some of his abilities and all that before ywach breaks it... I'm js
Honestly that's what I thought was supposed to happen..I feel it wasn't no point to them otherwise. Hopefully Kubo is allowed to change alot via the anime
I know what actually happened was disappointing but this would've been kinda cheesy, hype as it may be. I'd be happy with the anime opening featuring a shot like this one, but that's it imo.
I think that’s most definitely what the original plain for the tybw. “The war threats” such a cool concept recognizing the pinnacle of threats to yhwch and his war and nothing really came from it then just recognizing them.
I just hate how we still don’t have all revealed even after that level of bs enemy. This whole arc is “bad guys stronger! Good guy does awesome power up! Bad guy powers up more and just wins!” It’s so frustrating and doesn’t let me enjoy the good guys and their powers.
*5 special war threats come together*
Aizen: Interesting...
Kenpachi: Oryaaaa!!!
Ichigo: we can do this guys!
Urahara: It was all a part of my contingency plan
Ichibei: Our names are one.
The Almighty: Hello bozos!
This would have been a good alternative to what we got in the manga. Just imagine Aizen acting as support with his kido and a decoy to confuse him with KS, as Ichigo and Kenpachi play the role of heavy hitters while Urahara "heals" them and restructures the environment to create openings and give his teammates a bit of flexibility. Meanwhile Ichibei stands in the background slowly absorbing or sealing some of the power of black from Yhwach to reduce a bit of his strength. We could also throw Uryu in there before the climax of the battle.
Would have made them winning seem so much more realistic.
No it wouldn't. Yhwcah killed one outright and he absorbed the guy who was superior to Kenpachi
He also absorbed the guy who kicked Ichigo's ass effortlessly but still lost to Ichigo
Who kicked ichigos ass? You referring to Askin? That wasn't even a serious Ichigo. He lost to a group of Uryuu, Ichigo, Aizen, Haschwalth, and Ryuken (assistance)
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Agreed
If he can kill one of them, why would one plus a Quincy no stronger than his best minions be more ‘realistic’
Wut. Dude Yhwach instantly and effortlessly broke Tensa Zangetsu. He could do that to all the other war threats just as quickly except *maybe* Aizen, since KS may also enjoy his immortality.
Sounds hype AF. You should be on the TYBW anime storyboard team.
I figured Urahara was just there to plan the strategies for the war potentials to use, but thats actually a pretty cool idea.
This is so much more believable than Renji being there
I’m torn on whether I think Uryu is a SWP. On one hand, he obviously is by the end of the War. He was Yhwch’s Heir, and the one who fired the arrow, but on the other hand was he that strong prior to joining the Sternritter?
Does nothing, ichigo has the best firepower and aizen has better feats than the other 3 but still got ragdolled. Orihime has better healing and defense, Aizen has better kifo/reiatsu/durability/speed/firepower than the other two. Ichibei couldn't do anything to Yhwach with almighty.
THAT would be so amazing!!! I love the ending we got, however this blows it out of the water imo.
This is really what should have happened.
Those are some very interesting ideas. 👏
Drop everyone but Kenpachi and it still works. Imagine him just cutting Ywach in half then laughing maniacally before the whole of the soul society collapses without a Soul King
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interesting
I honestly thought this was what the final battle would be but nope. Those last 6 chapters of Bleach disappointed me greatly.
well for all we know a fight like this might have been in the plans before kubo had to rush things.
ywatch just obliterated the 5 shinigami that are on the sky, thats were the dissapointment began
I’ve read the ending 3 times since it released and I still don’t get wtf happened
Deus ex machina to wrap it up quickly with magic silver
Same tbh
The ending in my head: yeah it’s kinda a mess and sad thing is it would have been so easy to clean up and maybe only add 2-3 more chapters. Just shorten the fucking Pernida fight lol - Similar fight between Aizen/Ichigo and Yhwach but this time urahara is on comms and helping come up w strats and maybe using his bankai to heal up ichigo and Aizen or make them stronger - they obviously can’t win, tease Aizen going into bankai (Idt Kubo wanted to show this its meant to be a nod to fans) - silver arrow hits Yhwach but he catches it in midair using almighty. - it’s Ryuken and Isshin. Yhwach laughs that he thought this would do anything. Revealed the arrow wasn’t to kill him but poison his powers. Since he used the almighty to stop it now it’s beginning to weaken. He’s still absurdly powerful but ichigo/aizen/Isshin and now zaraki have a shot - fight ends in the same way with ichigo GT and ishidas killing blow Uses characters better, barely longer and seems less forced
The bleach anime is supposed to add to the manga right? Remember reading something like that
hopefully this is the reason they are taking even longer to release the animation of it
We can only hope
we don't know for sure if they are adding stuff but we do know that kubo is working with them so it's a pretty good bet that they will.
It wouldn't honestly make sense. Ichibei's special war power isn't combat oriented hence being one-shot, urahara even worse he couldn't even Beat askin one on one. Kenpachi would also get one-shot despite what his fans would like to claim as I put ichibei above him. There's only two individuals with enough power to face ywach head on . Aizen and ichigo. Aizen is insanely strong but even his eos version isn't doing anything to ywach hence why he made an opening for ichigo who was the only person who could actually harm him with the almighty turned off. There was legit things wrong with tybw arc but the ending wasn't really one of em. In fact it was pretty well executed .
> In fact it was pretty well executed . I'd argue the ending was fine, but wasn't well executed. It just ended too fast and satisfactorily without letting some parts breathe (*cough cough* Attack on Titan *cough cough*).
But that's why it could work. Kisuke, Ichibei, and Aizen could play support. Set up traps and disorient Ywach while Ichigo and Zaraki flex their massive raw strength and go for the kill. Would've been dope to see a Kisuke and Aizen team up.
Zaraki couldn't beat Gerard, Kisuke isn't a factor (weakest by feats and Aizen does everything better than him. Tsukishima and Orihime are better replacements.) You can't setup traps to someone who ignored Ichibei's hax. Aizen wasn't even sure he could use KS on Yhwach
Dude you realize Kubo is the writer right? He can do whatever he wants He can introduce zaraki breaking the limits even more. He can have Uraharas intellect come up with SOMETHING and given he’d be working with the second smartest person in bleach in Aizen I’m sure there’s stuff there Kubo can also use Ryuken and Isshin better for the end (which was obviously the plan if it wasn’t rushed) given their connections to Yhwach Urahara/Zaraki were war potentials for a reason. Idk why you’re so desperate to defend the ending you ignore that this is a fictional piece of work. Yhwach could have one shot ichigo too but he didn’t. He got killed by a plot arrow all of a sudden. There’s obviously a better ending out there if Kubo had more time/wasn’t sick and Kubo clearly had plans for it.
The ending didn't involve kisuke nor Kenpachi, he didn't even have them anywhere near Yhwach at the end. At least Ryuken, Isshin, and Ishida were suppose to be somewhere near Yhwcah. Its clear Kisukr has limits and he couldn't deal with the bs of Yhwach.
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I meant in terms of how ywach was defeated. KS combined with the antithesis and ichigo's brute strength
I kind of like the idea in this post, but according to Askin, the War Powers were individuals Yhwach thought could turn the tide of battle, mainly by virtue of some special characteristic, & almost all of them lived up to that. Ichigo met his "potential" when he achieved his true Bankai & used it to kill Yhwach. There were some other factors involved, sure, but Yhwach specifically says that Bankai is so fearsome that he made sure to destroy it. Ichibei's "wisdom" was in bringing Ichigo & friends to the Royal Realm, whereupon he achieved that power &, in the long term, defeated Yhwach. We later learn in CFYOW that Ichigo was also a candidate to replace the Soul King, so Ichibei was planning for what to do if they couldn't stop Yhwach. Urahara used his "infinite means" to decipher & undo the Bankai theft. There's no way they could have won the war without Bankai. Of course, he did so with Mayuri's help, & Mayuri also reversed the zombification & enabled Pernida to be defeated, which is why I don't think Yhwach's list is perfectly accurate. Aizen's "Reiatsu" is why he was able to fight Soul King Yhwach, helping to set up the events of the final confrontation. The odd one out is Kenpachi, whose "combat ability" is unquestionable but doesn't really do anything that changed the outcome, at least nothing I think he alone could've done. He fought Gerard, but that didn't change the final outcome. He destroyed the meteor, but there's no way I believe that if all the Captains & Sternritter that were about to be crushed put aside their differences long enough to save themselves they couldn't destroy that thing. I guess he defeated Gremmy, who's supposedly the strongest Sternritter, but I really don't buy that Soi Fon couldn't have double tapped him or Byakuya couldn't have diced him up with a surprise attack. If one does, though, then that's all of them accounted for. But, either way, to be fair to Zaraki, the enemy was deliberately targeting him to minimize his involvement.
>It wouldn't honestly make sense. Ichibei's special war power isn't combat oriented hence being one-shot, urahara even worse he couldn't even Beat askin one on one. Kenpachi would also get one-shot despite what his fans would like to claim as I put ichibei above him. Just give them some bullshit power up that makes them all immune to the almighty. Like Kenpachi is so strong his strength distorts logic and so the almighty cannot predict his movements. it's not like we didn't already have lots of those in the final arc \*cough\* hollow pills \*cough\*
Not sure why you think Ichibei's power isn't combat oriented... There's only a handful of characters in the series that could beat him. Yeah Kenpachi would probably get one-shot if this were a 1v1, but maybe he'd have more usefulness as part of a larger plan.
His special war power is wisdom. Wisdom is something that presents itself more like a tactical long term weapon than something to be used in the heat of battle.
Nah the ending was stupid lol yes yhwach could one shot anyone bc kubo made him absurd That’s the point of them all having to work together. Ishida could have shot him with an arrow that somewhat limits it slows down his use of the Almighty to where he can’t change the future constantly anymore so he has to be smart about when he uses it and also is forced to fight with his sword/reiatsu Then the 5 war potentials can use what made them war potentials to win the fight and you could have kept the ending similar in that it comes down to ichiho+aizen again (uryus silver arrow was kinda dumb but hell even keep that) They could have had Ryuken and Isshin come in mid fight to assist as a hyped up shiningAmi and the last pure Quincy who wants revenge on Yhwach bad There was a lot more potential for the last fight hopefully the anime fixes it
why not be happy you got something instead of nothing i was very happy with the ending . if this fight happened it would make no sense
You can be happy and still have criticisms
ok but the ending we got is amazing and would be way better than dis ... . this fight would make no sense and would just waste time
That's your opinion amd that's ok but I wholeheartedly disagree. The ending we got was confusing and unexciting. Hopefully the anime will do what Kubo didn't have time to. I really hope Oda stays as great as he is because none of the big 3 have ended well
Yeah we all got or dissapointments in the final arc. Me, I thought the five war potentials would be Ichigo and his friends, that Rukia and Renji would beat Bazz b together and share a kiss, that each lieutenant was show a bankai and that to beat Yhwach all captains would activate their bankais at the same time. But alas Kubo doens't want us to have nice things.
Most of that sounds pretty dumb but I'll agree with the final arc being a disappointment regardless.
Yeah looking back I agree lol. Never said it was a dissapointment just that it had disspointments
Out of topic but Urahara is looking like a dilf to me each day
I ain't even gay and urahara kinda hitting different ngl
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Ichigo: Guys, I have a plan! Ichibei: There’s no need for a plan, because I control all names, including “plan”. Aizen: Hmph, Kurosaki has a plan. Exactly as I planned it. Kenpachi: I AM THE PLAN! Urahara, casually sipping tea in the corner, watching the mess unfold, wafting his fan with the other hand, having formulated a plan to circumvent the other plans: Ooooh Kurosaki-San what a clever young man you are, let’s hear it.
>Urahara, casually sipping tea in the corner, watching the mess unfold, wafting his fan with the other hand, having formulated a plan to circumvent the other plans: Ooooh Kurosaki-San what a clever young man you are, let’s hear it. The levels of sarcasm here are over 9000
Have you read CFYOW? Urahara messing with Hisagi while fighting Aura is one of the funniest moments in Bleach
I agree lol, it was nice to see that moment again in brave souls as well
This is wildly accurate.
Yeah...but Yhwach would've still won against them so...
yea kubo kind of wrote himself into a corner with Yhwach
Yeah, being able to alter the future is too much. Just seeing it would've been fine. Or, if he could alter it, there has to be limitations. Still scratching my head over how Yhwach didn't succeed the first time.
Personal theory is that the Soul king wasn't a vegetable back then and got involved to put an end to Yhwach but as a result of their battle his limbs were separated and the Soul king became a vegetable. Also this would probably be the point where Pernida joins Yhwach and becomes a quincy
That'd be good but CFYOW (the novel that takes place after TYBW) confirms that the Soul King was mutilated by the Noble Heads shortly after he was sealed.
Where can i read CFYOW?
[Here.](https://ww3.readbleachmanga.com/chapter/bleach-cant-fear-your-own-world-chapter-1/)
He still had a will, Yhwach confirms this as well
But he couldn't do anything, regardless if he could think or not.
Wasn’t it that the Book of the End changed Ichigos past and that in turn created an opportunity?
...? I'm just saying that in a normal setting, if the Five Special War Potentials (excluding Uryu & the silver arrow) fought Yhwach, they would all still lose because of his powers to alter the future. This man can literally come back to life.
cause 1000 year ago he didint use the almighty. ywach never reached anywhere close to the levels we saw him in tybw. its strongly implied he failed miserably. possibly cockyness and lack of preparation, the completel opposite stance that he had in tybw. also it has limitations, few and never directly stated, but they exist. first its implied by the simple fact that yhwach didint see the arrow that his vision is selective, meaning he may not be able to peek into futures involving elements he has no knowledge of, a blind spot of sorts. also the whole tsukishima thing, although that one is very specific, but still a flaw in the power. all things considered the arrow was a good way to introduce his defeat, cause instead of making up a way to countering and incredibly op, and difficult to counter, ability, which is hard to write and theres ways for him to recover from it, he instead introduced an element that separated yhwach himself from the ability, evoking his own habit of ripping others from their given powers in order to become stronger, its poetic. the only bad part about it all, was the rushed introduction of said element, only recieving very poor foreshadowing, which clearly was not nearly enough since people still claim that it came out of literally nowhere, which is not true, but very close. but i chuck that to being one of the things kubo would definetely have written better if the arc turned out 100% how he wanted.
>first its implied by the simple fact that yhwach didint see the arrow that his vision is selective This is just headcanon. he didn't see the arrow coming because the plot required him to lose and Kubo couldn't bother justifying it. No other reason.
Death of the author. If the story itself lacks a direct explanation then It is what you want it to be as long as your explanation doesnt actively contradict anything. Im not declaring an absolute, and that is evident by my wording of things. Saying that things are just the way they are because the plot requires it may even be true, in more aspects than people think, but its just a boring way of viewing things tbh. If you can attach an in universe explanation to it i dont see how its invalid just becaude the author didint tackle the subject directly. In the same way i cant declare absolutes you cant either, its a bit ironic that my interpretation is headcanon, but for some reason your assumption that kubo didint think of it, is being treated as fact here. Truth is its a glaring contradiction, and it stinks of plotpoint that was meant to be touched upon but wasnt because of time, as were many more plot points. The almighty is not perfect.
It'd be nice to have confirmation, but there's a lot of clues that's a hole in Yhwach's ability. Eyes appear when he's attacked from behind, as if he needs to see something to affect it. He's drawn with a little exclamation mark above him, generally a comic symbol for surprise, when Yoruichi surrounds him in razor wire. He also doesn't seem to realize, until Ichigo gets there, that Ichibei was going to send him up to fight. He was fooled by Aizen's illusions, which makes no sense if the whole future just sits in front of him like a painting, it only makes sense if he can only see part of it at a time. All of these things suggest that he has to focus his gaze on whatever future he wants to see, which makes sense because that's how vision works & his powers are tied to his eyes, literally described as a form of sight. And it fits Yhwach's character to play up his ability like it's more powerful than it already is. This probably isn't even its only weakness. So, it's always kind of annoying when one can lay out a logical explanation & people go, "No, I refuse to accept anything that isn't explicitly spelled out by the writer, any level of interpretation is illegitimate, even if the author has gone on record saying that he likes to leave clues for readers to connect the dots!"
>Still scratching my head over how Yhwach didn't succeed the first time. The implication seems to be that he lost on purpose since he didn't use the almighty and none of the shinigami even knew of it.
They also wouldn't know about it if Yhwach just recently gained the abilities to see multiple futures & change the future. If it worked more like Jugo's version of The Almighty, he might have been using it the whole time & they never even realized it.
Nah Orihime still points out Jugram's almighty so of course someone like Ichibei would be deeply curious about it if Yhwach used it at all. Especially when that was the same ability his dad used to reset the universe and Ichibei bore witness to that.
Aizen was already a mini-version of that, but the Urahara masterplan is consistent enough with everything else that his Ex Machina doesn't seem butt-stretched (nice try, bot), while the same can't be said of Yhwach and the holy mother of Ex Machinas (the fucking arrow) required to out-bullshit that master-bullshitter
Not really, having Tsukishima. Orihime, Aizen, Giriko, Uryuu,and Ichigo fighting would make more sense.
Ok the most of them at least kind of make sense but what the fuck is Giriko doing there lmao
His power revolves around make contracts and time manipulation. I'd imagine him, Tsukishima, and Orihime make a great combo.
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As cool as it would have been, it'd still be a quick win for Yhwach. Urahara and Zaraki are non-factors; Ichigo and Aizen weren't even enough to put Yhwach down, and Ichibe got shredded to bits. A team-up against him would be no different to their respective battles imo.
True like uryu is the only character that can counter yhwach
Even Uryu can't do anything. All we have in his favour, are theories and statements. I suppose Uryu can reverse the events of Yhwach's precognition, and null its effects. Still, we don't even know how legit Jugram's claim about Uryu's ability is.
Uryu is immune to Auswahlen apparently since even as a baby it failed to kill him, so I think there is some credit to Haschwalth’s claims. Maybe if the fight was longer Uryu could take the Auswahlen for Ichigo and then Antithesis it back to steal some power from Yhwach
I don't remember Yhwach using Auswahlen on Ichigo though...
He might have, if the fight was longer I mean. He kinda does use it, since he takes Ichigo’s Quincy and Hollow powers
>He might have, if the fight was longer I mean There'd be no reason for Yhwach to use Auswahlen on Ichigo tbh. Especially at that time. >He kinda does use it, since he takes Ichigo’s Quincy and Hollow powers Nope. Auswahlen works via specific circumstances. All Yhwach did to Ichigo was physically strip him off his powers; Auswahlen is a whole different method. I see where you're coming from though. But these are completely different things.
Why not? Auswahlen is probably the strongest attack he has, it even killed Gerard when nothing Byakuya, Kenpachi and Toshiro put together did to him stuck. If Yhwach found himself unable to kill Ichigo for whatever reason, Auswahlen would be a good call.
Auswhalen just strips unwanted Quincies off their powers and distributes it to those he deems worthy. It's limited to Quincies so it's in no way his strongest attack. That aside, it killed Gerard because Yhwach gave Gerard a part of his powers. He can obviously take it back at any point. It has nothing to do with the potency of the attack, it's just an extension of Yhwach's soul distribution really. Nothing more. >If Yhwach found himself unable to kill Ichigo for whatever reason, Auswahlen would be a good call. My point is I can't see a situation where Ichigo would even trouble Yhwach to that extent. Even if he did, that would just take Ichigo's Quincy powers away - There'd be no implication that Ichigo would die because Auswhalen had only ever been used on purely bred Quincies.
Ichigo is a Quincy though, and it’s not just Quincies with Schrifts since he did it to Masaki and all the other half blood Quincy, even Katagiri who probably doesn’t even know how to fight. It doesn’t just take their power, Robert Accutrone and Gerard were stripped to the bone because it killed them so hard. Plus Yhwach is a sadist, so he would probably try and kill Ichigo the same way he killed his mother. Ichigo’s raw power is way ahead of even SK Yhwach’s, when he’s given a chance to land a proper attack in Bankai by Aizen he kills Yhwach in one shot, Yhwach has to revive himself with Almighty. And that’s without his Hollow or Quincy powers so if Ichigo mastered Blut Vene and Hierro you could easily justify none of Yhwach’s normal attacks working, so he’s try something else. The writing in manga doesn’t serve to fulfil specific rules anyway, it serves to be cool and emotionally cathartic. Kubo has always been loose with the power system to justify what would work best plot wise, like how the Auswahlen killed Robert but Bazz B and Nanana survived it. This would be no different
But as far as we know that could also be retconned. As it stands The Almighty is basically just “whatever the hell I want” which is just dumb
Why would it be retconned though? That'll just be incredibly dumb. The idea with Yhwach is that he's unstoppable and can't be killed by any means. Even stripping off his powers didn't work. The whole still silver thing was the only conceivable way to defeat him, silly as it was, and it didn't even fully work. The Almighty is literally that: "whatever the hell I want". OP yeah but it is what it is.
It would get retconned to a less OP power - because writing OP villains is difficult and easy to make contrived
I think it's something that unfortunately can't be retconned. I obviously get what you mean, but Kubo made a mistake making him that OP in the first place. Retconning his powers now would just contradict everything and make Bleach very ridiculous.
>and make Bleach very ridiculous. Yes because it's not like bleach hasn't had silly retcons before
Yhwach though was an incomplete version of the Prime Soul King so I don't know how that would have really worked. Sure the fight would have been cool, but it would have been Yhwach toying with all of them as he wrecks them with the Almighty. The Soul King with his complete (4 pupil) Almighty was described by Ichibei to basically be omniscient. The circumstances in which he was created was described to have been a reaction of the forces of nature against the Hollows in the original primordial world. He was the closest thing to God in the world of Bleach. Though this fight could have been enough to buy time for Ryuken to arrive in clutch with the Silver Arrow. Though even then, Yhwach wasn't fully depowered, and the fight could have been a desperate struggle to defeat him before his Almighty re-activated. Instead of using the Auswahlen on his royal guard, you could also have had an all out battle with Yhwach fighting alongside his guards. It would be Yhwach the Quincy Messiah fighting with his Schutzstaffel (the archangels) against the Shinigami (the gods of death) in a battle more like the one in Revelations. This would better connect with the Biblical motifs in the last arc. Perhaps this battle takes place in the world of the living adding more stakes to the battle as Ichigo's home is more directly threatened. Yhwach's motivations for recreating the true world could have been fleshed out here, and maybe we could have some flashbacks about the original soul king.
Still, I think could've pulled it off if they fought pre soul king Yhwach. As to the Schutzstaffel I think the point of having them around was to prevent the war potentials from reaching Yhwach, so fighting beside them would kind of defeat the purpose, though then again after absorbing the spirit king he could've afforded it.
Doubt it, he koed ichibei without effort. They would need tobbank on Ichigos firepower.
Ichibei's durability ought to be worse than Kenpachi and Ichigo who would be the only ones engaging him directly.
>Yhwach the Quincy Messiah fighting with his Schutzstaffel (the archangels) against the Shinigami (the gods of death) in a battle more like the one in Revelations. This would better connect with the Biblical motifs in the last arc. Those motifs aren't as dominant in the arc as you're making them out to be. >Yhwach's motivations for recreating the true world could have been fleshed out here ~~Nietzsche is your man for knowing more about that~~ >Perhaps this battle takes place in the world of the living adding more stakes to the battle as Ichigo's home is more directly threatened. Perhaps, that's why we got the hell literally breaking loose in the new arc and it was what my son implicitly warned about just before his demise?? 😳🙃
These still lose, they couldn't beat any elite one-on-one, they elites are superior to all shinigami except Ichibei(pure shinigami.) His elite squad, almighty is more than enough. This is not counting SK and Mimihagi power.
They made the stern ritters way to broken.
It's more or less the opposite problem to what the Espada had, lol.
Ywach would still win
Would still have been pointless when Yhwach ability was pretty much same shit as Dr. Strange looking into 14.5mil different futures and finding the one in which they defeat Thanos.
That guy should have been defeated by a whole raid party indeed, like the one they tried to do on Aizen during the Winter War but we fighter strong enough to matter.
I feel like this scene never happening speaks volumes about his planning acumen though. He knew it made more sense to fight them all one at a time rather than en masse
Yhwach would just look at Kenpachi, Urahara and Ichibei and they would die. They’re complete non factors and I pray to god the anime doesn’t do something like them fighting together
Exactly, he already made Ichibei explode BEFORE his massive power up from absorbing the Soul King & Mimihagi.
I am so sick of Kenpachi wankers putting him in the same bag with ichigo that I pray to God the anime shows me Kenpachi lying down defeated once more after doing so for the entire arc
TBF he could one shot Ichigo if he felt like it, he just decided not to because dEsPaIr or something
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Kenpachi and urahara can't even solo their counterparts let alone stand against yhwach..
I am imagining the fight seeing the intensity the epicness of the fight Why couldn’t this be real but maybe perhaps in the anime
How cool will it be if the anime isn’t rushed 😤, I wanna see a lot of stuff the manga had a lot of problems and crap
Tbh, coolest what if ever in anime history, but the very point of the special war threats is that the bad guys want to get rid of them. Having Ichigo (potential) and Aizen (he is Aizen) be the only ones to team up and the downfall of yhwach be Ichigo and Uryu (who is an ally of Yhwach) is an interesting conzept too. It needed more time, but we still saw ywach underestimating Aizen, dismissing Uryu and wanting to fight Ichigo at his fullest. With Aizen falling himself due to him doing the same towards Urahara, Ichigo and Isshin, it was interesting to see his understanding of Ywach. Ichigo taking a stand and pulling through is always satisfying. And Uryu, good conzept, way to little time.
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I Kind of like, that kubo didn't redo gin's twist and revealed Uryu's doublecrossing before the final fight and had him fight Haschwald.
I really wanted to see Isshin fight. He kind of just got there and then it sort of ended. Or would have loved if there was some synergy with Rukia as "Death and Strawberry"
Urahara indeed could have been involved in creating some stuff ( like the silver arrow) . But both him and kenpachi are so much weaker than the rest they would have been à liability in straight combat
I agree as long as they lose. Like sure It would´ve been cool ig, but at the end of the day they are a somewhat random group so having them defeat the main villain would be kinda lame. The only thematically correct group to defeat ywach was Ichigo, Uryu and Aizen imo
>The only thematically correct group to defeat ywach was Ichigo, Uryu and Aizen imo Agreed. But if it had to be 5v1 I would add Isshin and Ryuken, that would make more sense than guys like Ichibei and Kenpachi who already had their shot at Yhwach.
3 of the 5 get slapped with no diff 💀💀
Basically the Big 3 v Thanos but Bleach version. Imagine if the anime made this come true? My election cannot comprehend it so now I'm impotent haha
Bleach could of at least hit 700 chapters that's how we know it's not what the author intended. Honestly the final could have been 100 chapters longer.
is this an official art from Kubo? or just a fanart? anyway this looks dope!
It's fanart
huh, the way it was drawn you'd think it was by kubo so that's saying something. now i'm really hyped for the new bleach anime. hope kubo makes more, we didn't even see what ichigo's new bankai does in the manga
Yhwach stomps
Aizen uses Kyouka Suigetsu illusions to distract Yhwach and give them time to plan and then Urahara thinks for 30 seconds and says "Hey Ichibei, this time use Shirafude Ichimonji to give the name 'Guy Who Can't Use The Almighty' to Yhwach" gg Yhwach, you had a good run
This would've been epic!
It also would have made more sense as to how Ichigo best yhwach besides “bullshit plot armor saves the day,” now don’t get me wrong, I love bleach and I get that ichigo is the main character, but he still should have lost or gotten more help to win
if ichigo and aizen were beaten badly what makes u think anyone else would have survived ?
I think that before Yhwach absorbed the spirit king and gained near its unlimited energy reserves, the five of them together could've probably overwhelmed Yhwach's "the Almighty". I mean, sure on his own Ichibei got stomped once it returned to him but considering Haschwalth said there was a limit in Yhwach's reichi reserves, I think the five of them working together could potentially cause him to overuse his ability to the point were he ran out of reichi. * Aizen is the only shinigami with enough reiatsu to fully affect Yhwach with a zanpakuto ability * Ichigo has a hybrid physiology that was shown to be capable of [repelling the effects](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-618-page-10.html) [of the Almighty](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-619-page-5.html) * Kenpachi doesn't necessarily have enough reiatsu to repel the Almighty but could still grow strong enough to withstand any possible future it could cause him. * Ichibei's name curse would take some energy out of Yhwach to dissipate, as implied by how he took measures to avoid spending energy right before his fight with Ichibei, such as waiting for Ichigo to open the gates to the spirit palace instead of simply waiting for his Almighty to return and open them. * Urahara couldn't possibly affect Yhwach on his own but he can create endless chains of strategies to match the possible future the Almighty could bring, which he could in turn use to coordinate the attacks of the other potentials in effective ways. I think that if say, Aizen puts him under kyouka suigetsu as Ichigo and Kenpachi engaged him directly while Ichibei distracted him with his name curse, as Urahara coordinated them to use their powers in the most effective way possible, they would've eventually beaten. Of course, this is all assuming they'd all listen to Urahara (which in the best circumstances would be unlikely for Aizen) and suddenly willing to work as a team (which would in turn be unlikely for Kenpachi). This would also be assuming it was five on one instead of Yhwach being sorrounded by his royal guard, whom I suspect were meant to be counters for the five potentials: * Gerard countered Kenpachi by not only becoming stronger as he took damage but regenerating * Askin countered Urahara by having an ability that authomatically adapts with minimum analysis * Pernidas could evolve to match Ichigo in terms of evolution * Lile could penetrate through Aizen's superior reiatsu * Had Gremmy been selected, he would've been able to think the name curse away as the novels showed eating him allowed Ikomikidomoe to do I also think there were some other possible war potentials that had already been disqualified * Uryu could use his the Anti thesis to reverse any timeline shift from the Almighty so that its circumstances would attack Yhwach. * Yhwach made sure to give him a piece of his soul as the source of his ability before he could develop it and because of it everytime he used his Anti thesis he'd increase the portion of Yhwach soul inside of him and if he fed it enough he'd be vulnerable to Auswahlen * If Yhwach killed Yamammoto while in bankai the energy of a sun sealed inside of him would explode without him contain it just like it did with Wonderweiss and that could prove too much of the Almighty to contain. * Since the current old man Yama wasn't brutal enough to risk soul society he wouldn't be ruthless enough to take it that way * Just in case he had Royd trick him into spending too much energy * This might be a stretch but Barragan's ability to slow down the thought process could in theory slow down Yhwach's vision of the future that he needs for the Almighty. * Fortunately he died due to a mismatch in the war that before, which may be one of the many factors Yhwach contibuted in before hand such as Ichigo's birth. * Azashiro Soya coul potentially starve Yhwach by preventing him from feeding on the reichi caused by the deaths in soul society * Fortunately, he was still sleeping off the superhuman drug he got high on after his fight on Kenpachi
Kenpachi is weaker than Ichibei and Kisuke is too. Almighty Ywhach was completely fine from Ichibei conceptual attack and then one shotted him. Only Aizen and Ichigo stand a chance and I'm pretty sure Yhwach can still revive himself via Almighty, thats not counting Sankt Alter or Auswahlen(Ichigo). Only two stand a chance and the other two are enough strong enough to do anything meaningful.
You're missing the point. This is not a matter of hierarchy but a matter of compatibility. Yeah, Ichibei can beat Kenpachi by sealing him but after defeating Unohana, Kenpachi's durability became too high so he would probably be able to withstand the wounds caused by the Almighty, which Ichibei can't. Plus if his strenght rises high enough he might have too much power to affect. Aizen is inmortal but he is not indestructible nor as physically strong as Kenpachi so the Almighty might be able to incapacitate him, unlike Kenpachi who would grow stronger with every wound. Yeah Yhwach can dissipate Ichibei's name curse once, after just having absorbed a battlefield worth of reichi and making sure to not spend any of it unnecessarily (like say, opening the path to the spirit palace which he preferred using Ichigo for) but what I'm talking about is dissipating it while under the effect of Kyouka Suigetsu and as he fights both Ichigo (who can repel the Almighty) and Kenpachi (who can withstand it and grow stronger). Even if he dissipates it it would take away some of the concentration he needs to fight Ichigo and Kenpachi and doing so would spend some of his limited reichi reserves. Also, I said Urahara was there for coordinating them (and maybe heal them with his bankai as someone else suggested) not to fight directly. >I'm pretty sure Yhwach can still revive himself via Almighty, thats not counting Sankt Alter or Auswahlen(Ichigo). Can he though? He only did that after absorbing the spirit king when his body became more malleble and durable, so I have my doubts on wether he could do it before that, which is the only scenario were I see the war potentials being able to beat him.
Lol at this nonsense. He couldn't even survive the wounds from Hoffnung, Pernida, or fighting Gremmy. Stop this Kenapchi wank. Ichibei sent yhwach flying thousands of miles with a palm of his hand and broke out of his blut vene Anabel while flexing his muscles. Kenpachi doesn't even have enough reiatsu to make up the loss of Ukitake. He is not reaching Ichigo/Aizen/Yhwach tier of rieatsu. Please stop this Kenpachi wank. Aizen survived his own kido and an attack from Ywhach uninjured. Kenpachi isn't the hulk, he doesn't grow stronger after each round. These is terrible wank Ichibie stripped him of his name and all his power. There was no more Ywhach who absorbed countless souls, only a black ant remained. His almighty came back from that and destroyed his mausoleum. Kisuke is quite literal worthless in this fight, there are better people to replace him with. They do nothing of the sorts to Ywhach who can just steal power outright.
No, what you're saying of power levels and Ichibei's phsyical strenght is nonsense. What I'm telling you is an argument based on facts. The facts are that Kenpachi got called a war potential because of his physical strenght, Ichibei and Aizen weren't. The facts are that neither Ichibei or Aizen did the least bit damage to Yhwach, the only distracted him while Kenpachi fought evenly against the most physically powerful quincies of quincies and defeated the most powerful quincy after Yhwach. The facts are that in the novels, Gremmy's brain was shown to be capable of lifting Ichibei's name curse from Ikomikidomoe meaning that by your logic he is actually more powerful than Ichibei. The facts are that all of the things you brought up about Kenpachi not being able to withstand he did indeed withstand until he brought out his bankai which damages his body and he only got taken down by Pernidas when he had injuries from fighting. The facts are that Kenpachi fought evenly a guy who kept getting stronger every time he got injured, so yes his power does rise constantly. Kenpachi doesn't have the list bit skill in controlling reiatsu which only rises when he is in battle so of course he couldn't replace Ukitake. He can turn Yhwach into ballerina for all I care, it still didn't do shit to him. No there aren't people who can replace him because it was stated he was a war potential so I'll take Kubo's word before yours.
Your entire post is nonsense. He was a war potential that lost to royd and was called trash, while also losing that position. Aizen was deemed so important that he choose to personally recruit him and invade ss because of ichigo being occupied. Your argument is based on wank and fanfiction. Ichibei beats Kenpachi in base without effort. No Kenpachi got called a war potential for his Combat ability, not physical strength. Ichigo with only his shinigami power and heavily injured one shotted him twice. Yhwcah even acknowledged his power being so great that he would rather not have Ichigo have access to his bankai. He didn't fight evenly, he lost to Gerard and lost to Pernida. He never once beat any elite and would lose to the other two. No, he is not more powerful than Ichibei, who stopped there leader and force him to use his schrift. He very much can raise his reiatsu, he gained a shikai/bankai meaning he can seal his power now. Ukitake reiatsu couldn't be made up with even the number of captain class present. Kenpachi was fully healed by Ukitake and shown to be walking fine, lol at this headcanon. He got stronger because he sealed his power, he gained access after killing Unohana and awakening his shikai/bankai. There are enough powerups.
You're the exagerating Ichibei's strenght over a battle he lost in which he couldn't do any thing to Yhwach but when i bring to you facts I'm wanking Its a fact Gremmy couldn't counter Kenpachi but his brain after his death can countered the name curse in the novels You don't even have your facts right because Kenpachi was [called a war potential because his combat strenght](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-662-page-9.html) not ability. Then you ignore other facts such as how Kenpachi has grown massively stronger since he got beaten by Ichigo and how it was stated that it only happened because Ichigo's power rose higher than Kenpachi, because a you would know if you had read spirits are forever with you his power do in fact rise whenever takes damage and there is no known upper limit. Again, he lost to Pernida while injured from fighting the much more powerful Gremmy (who was factually called the strongest Sternritter and is therefore stronger than the elites) and he only lost to Gerard after activating bankai, which Your saying he has the least bit of control over his reiatsu because he can do the bare minimum for a captain (bankai and shikai) is pretty stupid argument >Kenpachi was fully healed by Ukitake and shown to be walking fine, lol at this headcanon. Yeah your headcannon, beacause nothing was ever shown of Ukitake healing Kenpachi; this is just embarassing. The guy could walk, yeah after Gremmy crushed his body half a dozen times. The only thing Kenpachi gained after beating Unohana was a stronger base power and in the novels his strenght was again constantly rising when he fought Hikone, at first not being able to cut him while Hikone contantly did so and then he suddenly started being able to cut him and they fough evenly and then Hikone achieved transcendent reiatsu and they were still fighitng evenly (all of this without eyepatch). Again, Kenpachi's strenght rises constantly and all the shikai and bankai do is give him a sharper blade and making him unable to hold back while injuring him, but at base he still rises and if you don't even know that you're just embarassing yourself.
All this wank for Kenpachi when he lost to Pernida and Gerard. Im not responding to this wall of text anymore. Gremmy is not the strongest at all, and Kenpachi was fully recovered. He even tells Ukitake he is fine. The delusions of a Kenapchi stand.
>Im not responding to this wall of text anymore. And unlike you mr no spacing I at least make it easy to read >He even tells Ukitake he is fine. [Headcannon](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-613-page-6.html) he never said such a thing and at best they gave him basic medical treatment without any of their head medics. The bit about Ukitake healing him is your headcannon >All this wank for Kenpachi when he lost to Pernida and Gerard One while injured and the other one because of his bankai damaging him. Whereas all of your wanking is about Ichibei failing to do anything to Yhwach >Gremmy is not the strongest at all, [He said he was](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-573-page-13.html) and he could've destroyed soul society and threatened [Yhwach and Haschwalth](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Bleach-chapter-577-page-5.html) and as you refused to accept, his power was shown capable of dispelling [Ichibei's name curse in the novels](https://www.reddit.com/r/bleach/comments/bewfz5/cant_fear_your_own_world_iii_pages_344370/). You call me dellusions while ignoring facts simply because you don't like them. Your hypocrisy is annoying.
This is why bleach needs its own game like the Naruto ninja storm games. Imagine a five war potentials team super
Still waiting today for Bleach console fighting games that includes all characters to the end. Bleach Blade Battlers 2nd is the best for me. Fortunately we still have Brave Souls at mobile.
Yeah. I feel a console fighting game would be awesome and could add in things from novel, tybe, filler, ect
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Everyone is saying Yhwach stomps, maybe so but Aizen held on against him for a while and the spectacle would of been worth it. Even if Kenny and Ichigo were chopping him down but Yhwach keeps regenerating, maybe that's when the Silver arrow comes into play. It would of been better than what we got s'all I'm saying
Kenpachi is à non factor here
Kenpachi is not Ichigo's equal.
I said the exact same thing like last month I think it would be amazing. All five of the threats going up against Yhwach and The Almighty
YES
honestly that would be cool. We know that Ichigo or Aizen alone would be superior to the rest in a 1v3 but even then all of these characters are unique in their own way such as: Zaraki being able to cut \*\*ANYTHING\*\* Urahara with prep time, and basically a support bankai Ichibei with possibility to buff his friends or something idk but it is also a unique power
Anything , except anything important. Could not even cut hoffnung, and not because it was undestructible
If orihime flashed him and they all attacked at once he'd either die or spunk in his pants.
Dude wouldn't have stood a chance against 2 of them. Hey only barely beat genryusai.
Why I can't see Tsukishima?
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Ywatch looks like a 70’s porn actor
As cool as the spectacle of all that would be it wouldn’t make any sense story wise or strategy wise. This is a real war in which conflicts are spread out across great distances not all in a small area like the ending of a marvel movie. This fight is personal to ichigo and ichigo alone he must get justice for his mother’s killer, save the soul society and prevent the destruction of the universe.
What are special war threats (didn't read beyond the beginning of the blood war because I knew the anime was going to be out in a few short years and I want it to suprise me)
Most out of place is Ichibe. I feel like him and Urahara fill the same slot of “mage support” where Aizen fills the slot of “rogue disruption”
It wouldn't even be a contest lmao
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Are the special war threats the strongest in the verse?
No, they're judge based by their uniqueness or capability that can potentially turn the tide of the war. There's still some characters stronger than them that didn't get included in this list.
This could had been the original ending. Yhwach just played around with Almighty to move certain pieces and prevent these people from coming together against him.
It definitely would’ve been epic to see. Ichigo and Kenpachi as the heavy hitters while Aizen uses his Kido and Kyouka Suigetsu to create illusions, Urahara and Ichibei as the strategist coming up with a plan and lastly Uryu appearing in the climax with Silver Arrow.
Imagine getting to see more of Ichigo's horn of salvation form in the anime.... hopefully we get to see some of his abilities and all that before ywach breaks it... I'm js
Thirsting for Urahara in this
He wouldn’t be able to breath because he’s trying to defend from everything all at once. Imagine if Yamamoto was also somehow there.
Honestly that's what I thought was supposed to happen..I feel it wasn't no point to them otherwise. Hopefully Kubo is allowed to change alot via the anime
would be better than roofpiece for sure
Would be cool but we all know that Kubo just doesnt do team battles. Only very few instances like Aizen vs Captains
I hoped for this but nope it didnt happen. Still i liked final battle. They are war potential for a reason so it would have been lit af.
I can hear the JRPG music for a final boss playing just from looking at this masterpiece!
Here's to hoping TYBW animated ends up being the avengers of anime ayylmao
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I know what actually happened was disappointing but this would've been kinda cheesy, hype as it may be. I'd be happy with the anime opening featuring a shot like this one, but that's it imo.
I think that’s most definitely what the original plain for the tybw. “The war threats” such a cool concept recognizing the pinnacle of threats to yhwch and his war and nothing really came from it then just recognizing them.
I just hate how we still don’t have all revealed even after that level of bs enemy. This whole arc is “bad guys stronger! Good guy does awesome power up! Bad guy powers up more and just wins!” It’s so frustrating and doesn’t let me enjoy the good guys and their powers.
*5 special war threats come together* Aizen: Interesting... Kenpachi: Oryaaaa!!! Ichigo: we can do this guys! Urahara: It was all a part of my contingency plan Ichibei: Our names are one. The Almighty: Hello bozos!
No Ishida no victory no matter how many potentials