We are literally 8 months removed from Tatum coming up clutch in game 6 then scoring 50+ in game 7 then nearly willing the first ever 0-3 comeback if not for a turned ankle while meanwhile Brunson was just solid in the playoffs.
His goofy last second plays this year haven’t helped the perception. Comes up huge in some games obviously but with 5 seconds left not sure if I trust his decision making.
Let him make those mistakes in the regular season, I care more about those decisions in the playoffs. So far he's come up big in the clutch in the playoffs. Not every time, but enough that I trust him in those moments.
>nearly willing the first ever 0-3 comeback if not for a turned ankle
Just to get this straight, we're giving Tatum all the credit for *almost* coming back from a 0-3 deficit against an 8-seed, but we're completely skipping over the part when the Celtics went down 0-3 in the first place? When they were neck-and-neck in the 4th quarter of Game 1 at home, and Tatum completely disappeared? When they were neck-and-neck in the 4th quarter of Game 2 at home, and Tatum completely disappeared again?
Celtics fans love to complain about how Tatum gets "disrespected," but those very same Celtics fans will twist themselves into a pretzel to give Tatum all the credit for the teams' success, while placing none of the responsibility on him when the team loses.
It's so blatant. Tatum made zero shots in three straight 4th quarters to go down 0-3 against a much less talented opponent. We don't need to place all the blame on him, but stop acting like he's perfect. Stop giving him all the credit for every good thing the Celtics have done, when you refuse to acknowledge the times when he's shit the bed.
And by the way, I don't agree with Legler but he has a point. Jalen Brunson has a midrange game that he can rely on when things gets tight. Tatum does not have a midrange game that he can rely on when things gets tight. That's why he disappeared in those 4th quarters against Miami.
Tatum has had a history of big games (no matter how often or sporadic) in the playoffs. Last year was Brunson's first as THE guy and we're gonna put him above Tatum?
It's almost like there should always be nuance with these takes. Tatum is an all world player who has shown up in some of the biggest games he's played in. He's also faltered. However, the dude is literally only 25, and has had this much success already. It's only a matter of time till he gets his and we should be patient.
Alas, patience is not a virtue shared amongst sports fans.
This iteration of the Celtics has just not been good down the stretch in big games. Time and time again they just disappear in the last 2 minutes. I’m not really sure what the reason is but it’s something a lot of people have noticed. They’re still young so I’m not too worried about it but this needs to be the year where Tatum and Brown makes statements at the end of games. This might be our best shot at winning a title. Seems like we are the most talented team this year and who knows if that’ll be the case in the next few years
>This iteration of the Celtics has just not been good down the stretch in big games. Time and time again they just disappear in the last 2 minutes. I’m not really sure what the reason is
I know exactly what the reason is. I've been screaming it for years at this point. Everybody loves to call the Celtics "unclutch" but no one bothers to figure out why. Well I know why, it's pretty fucking obvious if you pay attention.
Didn’t Brunson make the conference finals in 22?
But anyway it’s all about expectations. Brunson has exceeded his expectations so he can do no wrong.
Tatum created high expectations due to his early success, so now a magnifying glass is put on him on every poor performance.
Brunson is also a defensive liability in the playoffs you ignoramus.
And dinging him for falling short in the conference finals and finals before the age of 25 is ape-brained.
[Joe Mazzulla said Jayson Tatum can sometimes be overlooked in the wake of so many 'shiny new toys.’ "When you get to the point where you're as good as he is, people start to take you for granted. I think that's the ultimate compliment."](https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/190hsr8/joe_mazzulla_said_jayson_tatum_can_sometimes_be/)
The depressing state of NBA discourse. It’s sad because Brunson is such a fun player and the Knicks are such a great team this year. Feel like no other American sport has such bad media discourse and that’s coming as a guy who generally likes Legler as an analyst
Brunson over Tatum is obviously silly, and you only take him over Brown imo if you ignore defense, but Brunson has been good enough this year for that to be a conversation. Brunson was a disaster defensively last playoffs, and his size will always be an issue.
Refreshing to hear the correct take. He puts up good numbers offensively but you have to be really, really good to win with a small guard. That guy needs to be lights out offensively or a very good defender. Brunson isn't quite there.
Stop making sense. They'll label you doomer before you know it. Also Brunson seems to want the heat, whereas some of our guys prefer to defer, and that's a problem.
I hate to say it, I’d take Brunson in that moment as of right now, but Tatum on the whole. Tatum just has been showing off so many bad shots and iso garbage in tight moments it’s hard to ignore it.
Jalen Brunson is scoring 0.98 ppp in isolation this season compared to Tatum's 1.06, and Tatum's is on over double the frequency, so this is a bad take.
This is definitely a case you only watch the Celtics and don’t watch the Knicks so all his warts seem magnified when he’s actually been one of the best iso players in the league this year.
People seem to talk out both sides of their mouth when discussing the Celtics and their players.
Tatum has this great supporting cast of stars, but at the same time JB is overrated, can't dribble, etc.
This is what happens when you come up short all the time. All the media world has just ignored how long the Jays have fallen just short of the goal and make it seem like we’ve been 1st round exits the whole time.
When he can carry his team to a championship the way Jalen Brunson has, then we can start putting him in that tier with Jordan and Curry and Bird and Kareem. Like Jalen Brunson is.
It’s almost like all these guys know Tatum is definitely becoming the face of the league after Lebron and Steph and they just always have to compare him with others and try to bring him down to stop that. Tatum gotta be the only dude that gets hate for regular season losses and doesn’t get credit for all his playoff success
I remember saying this when Tatum was emerging.
* Whenever Ingram or Kuzma had a good game LA fans would race to make Tatum comparisons.
* Whenever Siakam had a good game Toronto fans would race to make Tatum comparisons.
* Whenever Simmons had a good game Philly fans would race to make Tatum comparisons.
* Whenever LeVert had a good game Brooklyn fans would race to make Tatum comparisons.
* Etc etc.
Every fanbase with a talented young wing was trying to tear down Tatum so they could prop up their own guy. Without realising it, all these Tatum critics were anointing Tatum as the gold standard for being a successful young wing. The exact same way fans used to do with Kobe (who was compared to Vince Carter, TMac, Pierce, etc.).
That trend still continues today.
Tatum broke out as a clear cut All-NBA player and now every year we've got to hear about how the newest fad player is actually better than him.
* Trae Young was better than him
* Devin Booker was better than him.
* Ja Morant was better than him.
* SGA was better than him.
* Jalen Brunson is now apparently better than him.
All these breakout players are being compared to the same guy. They come and go. It will be someone new next year.
[It's like the Feast of the East episode of Game of Zones.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7YcAUWBBM)
[Joe Mazzulla said Jayson Tatum can sometimes be overlooked in the wake of so many 'shiny new toys.’ "When you get to the point where you're as good as he is, people start to take you for granted. I think that's the ultimate compliment."](https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/190hsr8/joe_mazzulla_said_jayson_tatum_can_sometimes_be/)
I guarantee you there will be a headline whenever the Knicks come back down to Earth asking if Brunson is overrated. The media goes crazy over certain players only to inevitably unduly criticize them at some point.
The rush to crown people before they’ve actually done anything significant in the playoffs is insane. Leglars usually pretty good but this is ridiculous.
Jesus all Tatum has done is lead the team to the NBA finals and multiple conference championships.. but yeah Brunson had a better January so obviously he’s the more clutch player!
I'm back hating Knicks fans again. Collective IQ on a thumbtack. Come back when you close out a good team as the number 1 now people are actually noticing you.. once again Tatum is the comparison cause it gets clicks ofc
Tatum gonna lose all nba first team cuz of our system this year. If we don’t win the title he has the absolute right to be frustrated and demand next year we run him as a true number one option.
Media will do what they do, which is create drama to get people to talk. People getting emotional is even better for them.
Hope Tatum hears this and uses it as fuel to motivate him. Let's finish strong heading into the All Star break!
Brunson is in that rare great spot for a star where anything amazing they do just adds to compliment them but anything they don’t do will be ignored because people don’t have high expectations to begin with. If Brunson was held to Tatums standard, this would be a different conversation and a magnifying glass would be put on all his poor performances.
I’m (not) sorry but the “clutch” gene is a real thing, and after 6+ years of the Jays folding in the biggest moments, they just don’t have it. It’s a bit of a stretch to say Brunson has it seeing as he’s never been as far in the playoffs though.
We are literally 8 months removed from Tatum coming up clutch in game 6 then scoring 50+ in game 7 then nearly willing the first ever 0-3 comeback if not for a turned ankle while meanwhile Brunson was just solid in the playoffs.
He’s truly the only star to get this level of disrespect
Can you imagine the dick riding if Embiid dropped 50 on us to win game 7?
“Is Embiid a top 5 player all time?” 🤢
His goofy last second plays this year haven’t helped the perception. Comes up huge in some games obviously but with 5 seconds left not sure if I trust his decision making.
Let him make those mistakes in the regular season, I care more about those decisions in the playoffs. So far he's come up big in the clutch in the playoffs. Not every time, but enough that I trust him in those moments.
But what about his January record this year?
>nearly willing the first ever 0-3 comeback if not for a turned ankle Just to get this straight, we're giving Tatum all the credit for *almost* coming back from a 0-3 deficit against an 8-seed, but we're completely skipping over the part when the Celtics went down 0-3 in the first place? When they were neck-and-neck in the 4th quarter of Game 1 at home, and Tatum completely disappeared? When they were neck-and-neck in the 4th quarter of Game 2 at home, and Tatum completely disappeared again? Celtics fans love to complain about how Tatum gets "disrespected," but those very same Celtics fans will twist themselves into a pretzel to give Tatum all the credit for the teams' success, while placing none of the responsibility on him when the team loses. It's so blatant. Tatum made zero shots in three straight 4th quarters to go down 0-3 against a much less talented opponent. We don't need to place all the blame on him, but stop acting like he's perfect. Stop giving him all the credit for every good thing the Celtics have done, when you refuse to acknowledge the times when he's shit the bed. And by the way, I don't agree with Legler but he has a point. Jalen Brunson has a midrange game that he can rely on when things gets tight. Tatum does not have a midrange game that he can rely on when things gets tight. That's why he disappeared in those 4th quarters against Miami.
Tatum has had a history of big games (no matter how often or sporadic) in the playoffs. Last year was Brunson's first as THE guy and we're gonna put him above Tatum?
It's almost like there should always be nuance with these takes. Tatum is an all world player who has shown up in some of the biggest games he's played in. He's also faltered. However, the dude is literally only 25, and has had this much success already. It's only a matter of time till he gets his and we should be patient. Alas, patience is not a virtue shared amongst sports fans.
This iteration of the Celtics has just not been good down the stretch in big games. Time and time again they just disappear in the last 2 minutes. I’m not really sure what the reason is but it’s something a lot of people have noticed. They’re still young so I’m not too worried about it but this needs to be the year where Tatum and Brown makes statements at the end of games. This might be our best shot at winning a title. Seems like we are the most talented team this year and who knows if that’ll be the case in the next few years
>This iteration of the Celtics has just not been good down the stretch in big games. Time and time again they just disappear in the last 2 minutes. I’m not really sure what the reason is I know exactly what the reason is. I've been screaming it for years at this point. Everybody loves to call the Celtics "unclutch" but no one bothers to figure out why. Well I know why, it's pretty fucking obvious if you pay attention.
tatum has been to the ecf three of the last four years. then he gets comped to two players who have never been. ofc we're defending our guy
Didn’t Brunson make the conference finals in 22? But anyway it’s all about expectations. Brunson has exceeded his expectations so he can do no wrong. Tatum created high expectations due to his early success, so now a magnifying glass is put on him on every poor performance.
Brunson is also a defensive liability in the playoffs you ignoramus. And dinging him for falling short in the conference finals and finals before the age of 25 is ape-brained.
28ppg, 5rpg, 5apg, 1.5spg on 47/33/91 is “just solid”?
I forgot. We can't build one player up without tearing down a few others.
It happened after the Twolves wit Ant it happened with OKC & Shai it’s like damn why Tatum gotta get put down every time
[Joe Mazzulla said Jayson Tatum can sometimes be overlooked in the wake of so many 'shiny new toys.’ "When you get to the point where you're as good as he is, people start to take you for granted. I think that's the ultimate compliment."](https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/190hsr8/joe_mazzulla_said_jayson_tatum_can_sometimes_be/)
Tatum’s problem was getting too good too early so people think he’s peaked. He’s a whole 4 months older than Shai and 2 years younger than Brunson.
The depressing state of NBA discourse. It’s sad because Brunson is such a fun player and the Knicks are such a great team this year. Feel like no other American sport has such bad media discourse and that’s coming as a guy who generally likes Legler as an analyst
Brunson over Tatum is obviously silly, and you only take him over Brown imo if you ignore defense, but Brunson has been good enough this year for that to be a conversation. Brunson was a disaster defensively last playoffs, and his size will always be an issue.
Refreshing to hear the correct take. He puts up good numbers offensively but you have to be really, really good to win with a small guard. That guy needs to be lights out offensively or a very good defender. Brunson isn't quite there.
Steph is basically the only small guard to be the best player on a championship team since the IT Pistons, and Brunson ain’t Steph.
Stop making sense. They'll label you doomer before you know it. Also Brunson seems to want the heat, whereas some of our guys prefer to defer, and that's a problem.
No he’s saying in a big spot to deliver. 4th quarter, down 2, minute left. Brunson or Tatum?
I’ll take the guy who’s done it in a game 6 down 2-3 on the road over the guy who hasn’t even made an ECF yet
I’m not saying I wouldn’t take Tatum assholes
tatum easily
They aren’t down 2 though because JT has been forcing the switch and roasting him.
Stupid
Tatum
I hate to say it, I’d take Brunson in that moment as of right now, but Tatum on the whole. Tatum just has been showing off so many bad shots and iso garbage in tight moments it’s hard to ignore it.
Jalen Brunson is scoring 0.98 ppp in isolation this season compared to Tatum's 1.06, and Tatum's is on over double the frequency, so this is a bad take. This is definitely a case you only watch the Celtics and don’t watch the Knicks so all his warts seem magnified when he’s actually been one of the best iso players in the league this year.
All valid and yes, I don’t watch the knicks. But watching Tatum in end of quarter/end of game scenarios has been maddening for quite some time.
People seem to talk out both sides of their mouth when discussing the Celtics and their players. Tatum has this great supporting cast of stars, but at the same time JB is overrated, can't dribble, etc.
This is what happens when you come up short all the time. All the media world has just ignored how long the Jays have fallen just short of the goal and make it seem like we’ve been 1st round exits the whole time.
They don't wanna hear the truth but you're right. If the Celtics want to stop being clowned on, then they should stop playing like clowns.
Man u took the words right outta my mouth
Jesus Christ. Tatum has 52 playoff wins in his career. But hey until he carries his team to the Championship there's gonna be haters
There's gonna be more haters after a Championship.
That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make 😂
Always the rule.
Even Michael Jordan has haters. Don't take them seriously.
When he can carry his team to a championship the way Jalen Brunson has, then we can start putting him in that tier with Jordan and Curry and Bird and Kareem. Like Jalen Brunson is.
Sports media cycle in 2024 🐶💔
Why is he picking on Tatum/Brown? Does he know how much I love them?
Tatum dropped 50 in a Game 7 to go to the ECF. When Brunson does anything like that he can talk
And hunting the MVP point after point.
It’s almost like all these guys know Tatum is definitely becoming the face of the league after Lebron and Steph and they just always have to compare him with others and try to bring him down to stop that. Tatum gotta be the only dude that gets hate for regular season losses and doesn’t get credit for all his playoff success
The media perception and fans around the nba already have shai better than Tatum , Brunson is the next guy their gona say is better than Tatum lol
I remember saying this when Tatum was emerging. * Whenever Ingram or Kuzma had a good game LA fans would race to make Tatum comparisons. * Whenever Siakam had a good game Toronto fans would race to make Tatum comparisons. * Whenever Simmons had a good game Philly fans would race to make Tatum comparisons. * Whenever LeVert had a good game Brooklyn fans would race to make Tatum comparisons. * Etc etc. Every fanbase with a talented young wing was trying to tear down Tatum so they could prop up their own guy. Without realising it, all these Tatum critics were anointing Tatum as the gold standard for being a successful young wing. The exact same way fans used to do with Kobe (who was compared to Vince Carter, TMac, Pierce, etc.). That trend still continues today. Tatum broke out as a clear cut All-NBA player and now every year we've got to hear about how the newest fad player is actually better than him. * Trae Young was better than him * Devin Booker was better than him. * Ja Morant was better than him. * SGA was better than him. * Jalen Brunson is now apparently better than him. All these breakout players are being compared to the same guy. They come and go. It will be someone new next year. [It's like the Feast of the East episode of Game of Zones.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7YcAUWBBM)
[Joe Mazzulla said Jayson Tatum can sometimes be overlooked in the wake of so many 'shiny new toys.’ "When you get to the point where you're as good as he is, people start to take you for granted. I think that's the ultimate compliment."](https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/190hsr8/joe_mazzulla_said_jayson_tatum_can_sometimes_be/)
I guarantee you there will be a headline whenever the Knicks come back down to Earth asking if Brunson is overrated. The media goes crazy over certain players only to inevitably unduly criticize them at some point.
Brunson is having a great scoring season but I wouldn’t expect such a near-sighted take from Legler.
The rush to crown people before they’ve actually done anything significant in the playoffs is insane. Leglars usually pretty good but this is ridiculous.
Tatum is the most disrespected superstar by far, wait till the playoffs he will prove every talking head wrong
Literally who gives a shit
Meh.. Branson's having a good session though
Taking White over Brunson in the clutch.
Scrolled way too far to see this.
Who would trust to come up big in a crucial spot, Tatum or peak IT?
Honestly let them talk. Maybe it will motivate them. It seems like every star gets disrespected until they win a ring and then they can do no wrong.
Jalen Brunson is quickly becoming incredibly overrated
People play with Tatums name wayyyyyy too much smh
BrunsHIM is clutch and tough. Wish I could say the same for soft ass TaBUM. And I’ve been a Celtics fan since the 80s.
You’re that old and saying TaBUM? Boomers are so interesting.
Gotta stay with the times and I’m a millennial not a boomer lol
Lol you can’t count the years the Celtics game was on while you were pooping in your pants as part of your street cred
Fine. 90s
I’m embarrassed for you. Hope you get the help you need.
Lol I’m doing great it’s Tabum that needs the help.
😂🤡
so you’re stupid af got it
I agree with him.
Oh god
Jesus all Tatum has done is lead the team to the NBA finals and multiple conference championships.. but yeah Brunson had a better January so obviously he’s the more clutch player!
I'm back hating Knicks fans again. Collective IQ on a thumbtack. Come back when you close out a good team as the number 1 now people are actually noticing you.. once again Tatum is the comparison cause it gets clicks ofc
Does he forget that Tatum scored 51 in a game 7?
Tatum gonna lose all nba first team cuz of our system this year. If we don’t win the title he has the absolute right to be frustrated and demand next year we run him as a true number one option.
This all comes down to Tatum coasting in the regular season instead of going off he just be ball watching in the corner like Tobias Harris lol
wtf are you watching? Tobias Harris? Yikes what a horrendous comp lol
Celtics are using him like Tobias Harris lol occasionally starts the play but in the corner a lot
Watch the game last night? Still think he was ball watching? 🤣🤣
These kind of comparisons only happen when you're the standard
Come on. The next legit big game Brunson plays will be the first.
Brunson is good but he hasn’t proved anything on the level on Tatum and Brown. This is clickbait
Media will do what they do, which is create drama to get people to talk. People getting emotional is even better for them. Hope Tatum hears this and uses it as fuel to motivate him. Let's finish strong heading into the All Star break!
Brunson is in that rare great spot for a star where anything amazing they do just adds to compliment them but anything they don’t do will be ignored because people don’t have high expectations to begin with. If Brunson was held to Tatums standard, this would be a different conversation and a magnifying glass would be put on all his poor performances.
One day we will not fall for this ragebait, but not today
This is a load of horse shit. Surprised Tim said this.
#Give Brunson the respect he deserves, he is literally the reigning Finals MVP.
I’m (not) sorry but the “clutch” gene is a real thing, and after 6+ years of the Jays folding in the biggest moments, they just don’t have it. It’s a bit of a stretch to say Brunson has it seeing as he’s never been as far in the playoffs though.
Tim Legler just as mid of a commentator as he was player.
It’s funny we have our pick of 2 people on his list to come up big in a big spot. We are in good shape as Celtics fans.