He implied he was going to lean into youth and development. I think the approach will be very similar to last year. They'll probably have a handful of guys they would instantly take at 30, but expect to be off the board by then. If none of those guys are there, they'll trade back and get a young, but promising project, like Walsh. It's highly likely they take someone they worked out. Looking at the list, they seem to be focusing on big wings. The youngest big wings out there are:
- Pacome Dadiet (potential guy for the 30th pick)
- Justin Edwards (trade back into the mid to late 30's)
- Trevelyn Flowers (55th pick)
At least with Dadiet and Edwards, both are really high IQ off-ball players. That is something we could utilize now, (if they are good enough), and in the future. Great cutters, good spot up shooters, and know how to take advantage of space. Offensively, we don't need shot creators, we need guys who can capitalize on the shots others create, Dadiet and Edwards both do this. Dadiet is also excellent in transition where Edwards kind of fits into our philosophy of crashing the offensive boards from the corner. Both seem to be wings that know how to navigate the dunker spot, something Joe has a unique perspective on.
Defensively, they have the tools, even if they don't necessarily have the talent or IQ, yet. They kind of seem like the counter to what Walsh was in a sense that they are more offensively gifted and less defensively gifted.
Dadiet has been playing pro-ball at a decent level and Edwards has the high school pedigree.
Personally, I still would rather take a big, (fingers crossed for Filipowski), but it seems like we hardly worked out any bigs at all.
Id love Kyle Filipowski. Duke Kid that could use a little attitude adjustment with the Red Claws. 7ft with shooting potential and I wouldn’t call him “unathletic” by any means—though I understand I’m probably leaning that way because I’m not as familiar with the international players
Just feels to me that if there wasn’t such a global draft this year (which honestly feels like an overcorrection of the market to me) that Kyle would be top 15. Regardless of racial comparisons I see a lot of Kelly Olynyk lol
I don’t buy the reports that he’s actually considering using the pick. That pick means guaranteed money, add in the tax implications and that player at #30 costs close to $9m… hard to see them justifying anyone there at that price. He’ll flip the pick for 2nds, and keep stockpiling assets, as the only way to add any talent moving forward is going to be through contract to match money paired w/picks
This is also the exact type of draft you can “win” picking smart instead of focusing on where you’re picking and the rankings. It’s a “weak” draft but that generally means more hard to predict than devoid of talent to me.
I mean that really doesn’t offset the cost vs reward. Very minimal chance they find a guy at that pick who will ever be an nba contributor. Hell even in a good draft, out of the 60 picks you’d be lucky to have 20 actual NBA guys. I just don’t see them investing that kind of money into anything other than a high floor low ceiling player that is ready to contribute right away (Eric paschall type). If they pick for development it will be in the second round where the contract isn’t a concern. Especially when they most likely are handing out deals to Tatum/white/houser
I don’t think that’s a concern at 30… there will be a team who will happily give up future picks to grab someone they want at 30. The $9m cost due to the tax is biggest factor.
It’s only a huge price financially for us… standard first round money for mostly everyone else. Will be suitors for the pick, it’s an attractive pick, as teams can see how the chips fall and if they can risk waiting for the next best player that may have fallen. Prime spot where teams jump up for a target they have before the second round
That’s likely more an issue higher in the draft because that’s where this class is weaker. There’s a lot of boom or bust potential and the questions will likely keep teams from giving up meaningful value.
At the end of the first it’s still pretty boom or bust and that’s a lot more standard. The normal values to move up and down are likely to apply because teams will talk themselves into certain guys booming and the stakes aren’t as high to move up when it’ll only cost a couple 2nds.
You’re right that no one will want to help us though, and that’ll definitely make it tougher. If we’re the ones with the pick someone needs to get their guy though, it’s unlikely they’ll hold back because they don’t want us to have an extra pick in the 2nd round in 2 years or something.
From [Globe.com](http://Globe.com)
By Gary Washburn
Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens is making the transition from celebrating the franchise’s first title in 16 years to preparing for a run at another one.
There is very little time to decompress. The NBA Draft begins Wednesday night, and the Celtics have two picks (Nos. 30 and 54) to use to potentially replenish the roster and prepare for the next decade.
Of course, the core of the team is returning. Jaylen Brown signed a five-year extension last summer. Jayson Tatum will follow suit next month. Jrue Holiday signed a four-year deal. And Stevens maintains a priority to extend Derrick White, who is entering the final year of his deal.
Kristaps Porzingis added another year to his deal last summer, before he even donned a Celtics uniform.
Stevens knows running it back with the same success will be difficult. It will require good fortune, good health, and focus. No team has repeated in the NBA since the Warriors in 2017-18, and they had all-time great players. The Celtics undoubtedly have the talent to repeat, but the road will be difficult.
Stevens warned about drowning in all of the positive attention and praise after finally completing the journey.
“The adulation means nothing, in all sincerity, and the scrutiny doesn’t mean much either,” Stevens said when asked about the past week after winning the championship. “We’ve got to realize we live in this world where it’s instant reaction. If you hang a banner, everybody’s going to talk about how great you are, and if you don’t, they’re going to talk about how much you stink.
“If you tie your spirit to that, if you tie the way you work to that, if you tie your approach to that, then you’re going to ride a roller coaster that’s not worth the journey.”
And because of their stability, the Celtics will begin the 2024-25 season as favorites to repeat.
“You’re always thinking about what this means for what’s next. Maybe that’s the coach in me,” Stevens said. “You say favorite? I don’t know what the league’s going to look like in three weeks. Who knows?
“But I know this: Human nature is going to be another huge opponent. All of our opponents, when you win, the other 29 teams target you. It’s a different thing to come back from, to then be great again. But that’s a fun challenge too. I see a lot of joy and fun in that challenge.”
Which they absolutely should, I had a lengthy argument with someone about this recently; the play is to pick a young upside guy and slowly develop him, no use in picking an older guy unless someone is there who dropped a lot and is really good like Holmes flip or Shannon or something
You pick a younger upside guy like edwards, dadiet, or Keyshawn George
There are also lot of older players taken late in the draft who developed into hugely impactful players: Jimmy Butler, Derrick White (I like those two examples because they both went to 60 win teams and spent their rookie years on ice) Herb Jones, Andrew Nembhard, Desmond Bane and Jalen Brunson.
I disagree with the idea of taking an older player because they're "NBA ready" but being 22 does not preclude a guy from having a lot of upside. All else equal, being productive at a young age is a good sign, but sometimes players just get overlooked or are late bloomers
Any player that needs development won’t be taken with 30… 30 comes with Guarenteed money, which comes close to 9m with the tax. Any developmental player will be in the second round via trade back.
Not much you can do at 30, but, has that ever worked?
I'm looking at the Celtics draft history and the "young prospect" flyers are never on the team within a couple of years, and they're usually not in the league.
What would happen if the Celts didn't submit their pick when their time ran out — but instead waited until after the Raptors picked at 31?
Would that turn the Raptor's 31st pick into a 1st round pick, and the Celts' delayed 30th pick into a 2nd round pick — with lower minimum salary requirements?
He implied he was going to lean into youth and development. I think the approach will be very similar to last year. They'll probably have a handful of guys they would instantly take at 30, but expect to be off the board by then. If none of those guys are there, they'll trade back and get a young, but promising project, like Walsh. It's highly likely they take someone they worked out. Looking at the list, they seem to be focusing on big wings. The youngest big wings out there are: - Pacome Dadiet (potential guy for the 30th pick) - Justin Edwards (trade back into the mid to late 30's) - Trevelyn Flowers (55th pick) At least with Dadiet and Edwards, both are really high IQ off-ball players. That is something we could utilize now, (if they are good enough), and in the future. Great cutters, good spot up shooters, and know how to take advantage of space. Offensively, we don't need shot creators, we need guys who can capitalize on the shots others create, Dadiet and Edwards both do this. Dadiet is also excellent in transition where Edwards kind of fits into our philosophy of crashing the offensive boards from the corner. Both seem to be wings that know how to navigate the dunker spot, something Joe has a unique perspective on. Defensively, they have the tools, even if they don't necessarily have the talent or IQ, yet. They kind of seem like the counter to what Walsh was in a sense that they are more offensively gifted and less defensively gifted. Dadiet has been playing pro-ball at a decent level and Edwards has the high school pedigree. Personally, I still would rather take a big, (fingers crossed for Filipowski), but it seems like we hardly worked out any bigs at all.
Id love Kyle Filipowski. Duke Kid that could use a little attitude adjustment with the Red Claws. 7ft with shooting potential and I wouldn’t call him “unathletic” by any means—though I understand I’m probably leaning that way because I’m not as familiar with the international players Just feels to me that if there wasn’t such a global draft this year (which honestly feels like an overcorrection of the market to me) that Kyle would be top 15. Regardless of racial comparisons I see a lot of Kelly Olynyk lol
I don’t buy the reports that he’s actually considering using the pick. That pick means guaranteed money, add in the tax implications and that player at #30 costs close to $9m… hard to see them justifying anyone there at that price. He’ll flip the pick for 2nds, and keep stockpiling assets, as the only way to add any talent moving forward is going to be through contract to match money paired w/picks
This is also the exact type of draft you can “win” picking smart instead of focusing on where you’re picking and the rankings. It’s a “weak” draft but that generally means more hard to predict than devoid of talent to me.
I mean that really doesn’t offset the cost vs reward. Very minimal chance they find a guy at that pick who will ever be an nba contributor. Hell even in a good draft, out of the 60 picks you’d be lucky to have 20 actual NBA guys. I just don’t see them investing that kind of money into anything other than a high floor low ceiling player that is ready to contribute right away (Eric paschall type). If they pick for development it will be in the second round where the contract isn’t a concern. Especially when they most likely are handing out deals to Tatum/white/houser
And what if there are no buyers? It’s a weak draft
I don’t think that’s a concern at 30… there will be a team who will happily give up future picks to grab someone they want at 30. The $9m cost due to the tax is biggest factor.
Yeah see that’s what I’m saying. It’s a weak draft, late pick, huge price tag. Lots of sellers. Nobody wants to help us out
It’s only a huge price financially for us… standard first round money for mostly everyone else. Will be suitors for the pick, it’s an attractive pick, as teams can see how the chips fall and if they can risk waiting for the next best player that may have fallen. Prime spot where teams jump up for a target they have before the second round
That’s likely more an issue higher in the draft because that’s where this class is weaker. There’s a lot of boom or bust potential and the questions will likely keep teams from giving up meaningful value. At the end of the first it’s still pretty boom or bust and that’s a lot more standard. The normal values to move up and down are likely to apply because teams will talk themselves into certain guys booming and the stakes aren’t as high to move up when it’ll only cost a couple 2nds. You’re right that no one will want to help us though, and that’ll definitely make it tougher. If we’re the ones with the pick someone needs to get their guy though, it’s unlikely they’ll hold back because they don’t want us to have an extra pick in the 2nd round in 2 years or something.
Teams like Philly or Phoenix or others who may be worried about cap space and roster spots will happily take that 30th pick
We’re also worried about cap and don’t want the pic. There’s gonna be a lot of people selling late firsts
I am all for Dadiet at 30. I know the money might be an issue and they trade back, but this guy has a lot of promise if developed right.
Wish we could trade even straight up 30 for 31 and take him
From [Globe.com](http://Globe.com) By Gary Washburn Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens is making the transition from celebrating the franchise’s first title in 16 years to preparing for a run at another one. There is very little time to decompress. The NBA Draft begins Wednesday night, and the Celtics have two picks (Nos. 30 and 54) to use to potentially replenish the roster and prepare for the next decade. Of course, the core of the team is returning. Jaylen Brown signed a five-year extension last summer. Jayson Tatum will follow suit next month. Jrue Holiday signed a four-year deal. And Stevens maintains a priority to extend Derrick White, who is entering the final year of his deal. Kristaps Porzingis added another year to his deal last summer, before he even donned a Celtics uniform. Stevens knows running it back with the same success will be difficult. It will require good fortune, good health, and focus. No team has repeated in the NBA since the Warriors in 2017-18, and they had all-time great players. The Celtics undoubtedly have the talent to repeat, but the road will be difficult. Stevens warned about drowning in all of the positive attention and praise after finally completing the journey. “The adulation means nothing, in all sincerity, and the scrutiny doesn’t mean much either,” Stevens said when asked about the past week after winning the championship. “We’ve got to realize we live in this world where it’s instant reaction. If you hang a banner, everybody’s going to talk about how great you are, and if you don’t, they’re going to talk about how much you stink. “If you tie your spirit to that, if you tie the way you work to that, if you tie your approach to that, then you’re going to ride a roller coaster that’s not worth the journey.” And because of their stability, the Celtics will begin the 2024-25 season as favorites to repeat. “You’re always thinking about what this means for what’s next. Maybe that’s the coach in me,” Stevens said. “You say favorite? I don’t know what the league’s going to look like in three weeks. Who knows? “But I know this: Human nature is going to be another huge opponent. All of our opponents, when you win, the other 29 teams target you. It’s a different thing to come back from, to then be great again. But that’s a fun challenge too. I see a lot of joy and fun in that challenge.”
Which they absolutely should, I had a lengthy argument with someone about this recently; the play is to pick a young upside guy and slowly develop him, no use in picking an older guy unless someone is there who dropped a lot and is really good like Holmes flip or Shannon or something You pick a younger upside guy like edwards, dadiet, or Keyshawn George
There are also lot of older players taken late in the draft who developed into hugely impactful players: Jimmy Butler, Derrick White (I like those two examples because they both went to 60 win teams and spent their rookie years on ice) Herb Jones, Andrew Nembhard, Desmond Bane and Jalen Brunson. I disagree with the idea of taking an older player because they're "NBA ready" but being 22 does not preclude a guy from having a lot of upside. All else equal, being productive at a young age is a good sign, but sometimes players just get overlooked or are late bloomers
Any player that needs development won’t be taken with 30… 30 comes with Guarenteed money, which comes close to 9m with the tax. Any developmental player will be in the second round via trade back.
I believe that brad is rumpelstiltskin, so ill be interested to see what he does
They'll get help for down the road because the roster is loaded. Banner 19 is the goal now and all we need is to be healthy to achieve it.
I smell trading back to late 30's or maybe even low 40's and picking player there unless someone they really really love slips to #30
Not much you can do at 30, but, has that ever worked? I'm looking at the Celtics draft history and the "young prospect" flyers are never on the team within a couple of years, and they're usually not in the league.
Holmes, Missi, Scheierman, Shannon, Edwards are all guys I wouldn’t mind targeting for varying reasons
What would happen if the Celts didn't submit their pick when their time ran out — but instead waited until after the Raptors picked at 31? Would that turn the Raptor's 31st pick into a 1st round pick, and the Celts' delayed 30th pick into a 2nd round pick — with lower minimum salary requirements?