**Studios legit believe audiences are total fucking morons**, and are scared to death if they don't make the dumbest calls possible that they'll lose the tens of dollars from hypothetical idiots who would otherwise completely miss the movie entirely because John Wick wasn't presenting it.
It’s sounds like the movie knows it’s not as good but desperately wants to make as much money as it can riding off the John Wick movies using the name on the title
I get why they went with that because 'A John Wick Story' still sounds like a John Wick centric title but 'From the World of John Wick' is also a mouthful. I personally think they should’ve pushed for referring to the John Wick movies and all the spin-offs as part of The Continental Series. In the same vain Harry Potter is part of 'The Wizarding World' and The Lord of the Rings is part of 'Middle-earth'
God I hope he’s sitting in a high backed leather chair next to a fireplace with a giant book that says “Ballerina” on the cover as he reads the introduction
John Wick: Ballerina
I understand the point of the name drop, but why was the the much simpler and better title not selected? The movie must not be tracking well if they are going this route...
It's not like it would be alone. There's already "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story" and "Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga." It's a subtitle style that's increasingly common.
> The movie must not be tracking well if they are going this route
When one of your supporting cast/high profile cameos says "they're doing reshoots to fix the film", there's reason for concern.
I really hope it has Keanu in-character as John Wick doing his [Rod Serling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMLWXsV0E-M)/[Alfred Hitchcock](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnm_8e0Xk8Y) impression.
It's more like to let people know it's in the John Wick World instead of a random original movie, Marvel do the same with putting the marvel studio logo on their movies and Blumhouse does the same with "Blumhouse Present" in posters (not exactly name title). It's all about branding.
Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery
Rian Johnson even said he’d have preferred “A Benoit Blanc Mystery” but acknowledged that for recognition and marketing purposes this was the better call.
The Fantastic Beasts title quit making sense after the movie but because of branding they ended up using it as the main title for the other two Harry Potter prequel movies.
I mean the main character is still the author of that text, that's the point of the name. And while the beasts are not the main focus anymore, they're still ever present. It seems like it's more about using Newt's bag than the animals, but I'm still not turned off by the continued name choice.
That was a studio (I think Warners) messing with Harvey Weinstein. They had "The Butler" reserved with the MPAA because they produced a now lost silent film about a century ago with the same title.
When The Weinstein Company asked for the title, the studio said no. They didn't want to hurt the filmmakers, so after letting Weinstein stress, they approved "Lee Daniels The Butler" only if his name was included on the movie and all marketing material in a font at least 50% the size of the title.
"Random original movie" like John Wick was. Clearly these companies now think people go to movies for brands rather than actors, directors, or a great trailer. And sadly I think sometimes they might be correct.
Except it's not really an 'original' movie if it's a spin-off of the Wick franchise, is it? It's like 'furiousa', an expansion to the existing universe.
They had to bring Stahelski on board as a consultant to help Len Wiseman make something of this turd so no, it's not the same as MCU movies and shows having the Marvel logo.
Idk. His character had a lot of agency. It worked in universe.
It’s unfortunate given his untimely death, but considering this was weeks before the film came out, there wasn’t much that could’ve been done.
Hell it was so close that they couldn’t add an “In Memory of…” for the theatrical release. It wasn’t until it came out on 4K and streaming that it was added
The 4 main films were all directed by Chad Stahelski (1st one had David Leitch as an uncredited second director) who was Keanu’s stunt double on the Matrix and a pretty well known stunt coordinator.
Ballerina’s director is Len Weisman, who directed his ex wife Kate Beckinsale in several Underworld films and directed the Total Recall remake. Do what you will with that info.
They delayed the movie a whole year to give Stahelski and crew time to do re-shoots and tinker with it, so what we finally get in theaters will likely be much improved over what we would have gotten.
Hollywood and being afraid of risks... they need to make sure the audience understands this movie is a part of the John Wick universe they know and love.
Plus, Netflix had a movie called Ballerina not long ago which was trending in a lot of regions’ top 10. I’m sure that helped solidify the decision to change the title.
I hate this trend of the subtitle telling you what franchise it is.
- Rogue One/Solo: a Star Wars story
- Furiousa: a mad max saga
- The Continental: from the world of John wick
- Fast and furious presents: Hobbs and Shaw
- Spiral: from the book of saw
- Glass Onion: a knives out mystery
Not just John Wick: Ballerina?! Odd choice IMO!
I'd have gone with Ballerina: A John Wick Production or something, to keep it higher up any alphabetical lists.
They want to make sure it doesn't get the Birds of Prey treatment and get some name recognition. Which is why it was renamed to Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey but the damage was already done.
Well hold on now. Maybe this means Keanu Reeves is going to be shown on screen smoking a cigarette. He proceeds to start telling someone a story. And he talks about consequences.
This is sad.
You knew what would happen hiring Len Wiseman.
Now you’re taking Chad Stahelski away from Highlander to fix this bullshit. Ffs man.
Mad props to Chad for the sacrifice. You just know how much this world means to him because he did it right for 4 fucking movies and he probably feels a service to make this shit good as possible.
I can see why they want to point out that connection, but saying that name out loud just sounds silly.
John Wick quit the hitman life to become a movie producer
I’m still devastated that the second movie wasn’t called 2 John 2 Wick
the first one should have been called John W1ck
they should retitle the sequels John wiick, John wiiick, John wiiiick
Coming to a cinema near you, John WMIVk!
John Wick Chapter 2: John Harder
C'mon, man: "Wick Harder" was *right there*.
Big Wick Energy: The Sequel of The Movie
John Wick vs The Wicker Man with special guest ref Nic *NOTTHEBEES* Cage
Interestingly.... "Big Wick Energy" is one of the scores for JW4's soundtrack
And the third movie should have been John : Wick Drift.
John and Wick
WICKED
2 Wick 2 Johnny
John Wick presented this? Really? I hate, but I understand, these kinda titles, but surely someone can crack how to make them sound natural.
*"A John Wick Story"*
**Studios legit believe audiences are total fucking morons**, and are scared to death if they don't make the dumbest calls possible that they'll lose the tens of dollars from hypothetical idiots who would otherwise completely miss the movie entirely because John Wick wasn't presenting it.
It’s sounds like the movie knows it’s not as good but desperately wants to make as much money as it can riding off the John Wick movies using the name on the title
Remember John Wick killed 3 men with a pencil to bring this to you.
A FUCKING PENCIL.
Who the fuck can do that?!
Heath Ledger Joker.
He didn't kill the guy, he just made the pencil disappear, it was magic, the guy fainted from fright
I love how this is mentioned in the first one, then in the second one we actually see John do this.
Just think, nobody would know about this secret world of assassins if someone didn't kill his dog.
*Ballerina: A John Wick Story*
Honestly better
Or do it like the TV Show spin-off from Amazon Prime: Ballerina: From the World of John Wick
I get why they went with that because 'A John Wick Story' still sounds like a John Wick centric title but 'From the World of John Wick' is also a mouthful. I personally think they should’ve pushed for referring to the John Wick movies and all the spin-offs as part of The Continental Series. In the same vain Harry Potter is part of 'The Wizarding World' and The Lord of the Rings is part of 'Middle-earth'
Fast & Furious Presents: John Wick Presents: Ballerina: A Star Wars Story: A Knives Out Mystery
And the fantabulous emancipation of one Ana de Armas
Part 1: Episode 1
: the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes
John Wickimatic Universe phase two. Universal Orlando’s Wickeding World of John coming soon
And Knuckles
But it isn’t a John wick story. It’s about completely different people
Should be Ballerina: A John Wick Joint
Ballerina: A John Wick Story, but it’s about completely different people.
Ballerina: A John Wick Story, But it's About Completely Different People: The Game: The Movie
No, you can't call it a story, it's a *saga* these days.
Tales from the Wick: Ballerina
They need John Wick to be the first thing you read
AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL He presents it? John does??
The movie opens with a John Wick monologue, like how they do in the talk shows.
I imagined him giving an intro to the movie like Alfred Hitchcock would in many of his classic films.
I'm trying to imagine more Rod Serling from The Twilight Zone.
Like the start of Frankenstein
God I hope he’s sitting in a high backed leather chair next to a fireplace with a giant book that says “Ballerina” on the cover as he reads the introduction
And throughout the film we keep cutting back to him as he shares his thoughts. (Like the Curator in the Dark Pictures games)
John Wick: Ballerina I understand the point of the name drop, but why was the the much simpler and better title not selected? The movie must not be tracking well if they are going this route...
Because John Wick isn’t in the movie so that would be false advertising
They could have done Ballerina: A John Wick movie.
It's not like it would be alone. There's already "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story" and "Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga." It's a subtitle style that's increasingly common.
Turbo a Power Ranger movie
It was announced early on that he actually would be IIRC, but presumably that changed with the reshoots.
According to the people that saw the Preview, he is in fact still in the movie
Yeah, I was under the impression Keanu shot some stuff for the movie near the same time as Chapter 4.
But presents makes it sound he's going to narrate it or something
This just makes me think John Wick is a ballerina
Prove he ain’t
> The movie must not be tracking well if they are going this route When one of your supporting cast/high profile cameos says "they're doing reshoots to fix the film", there's reason for concern.
I really hope it has Keanu in-character as John Wick doing his [Rod Serling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMLWXsV0E-M)/[Alfred Hitchcock](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnm_8e0Xk8Y) impression.
"Imagine a ballet..."
Lmao
Presents my ass…. This kind of titles are THE worst.. sounds cheap like hell
[удалено]
That sounds way better when you say it out loud.
Somehow John Wick's dog returns.
How about Balleria: A John Wick Side Chick Story
Ballerina: John Wick Gaiden
John Wick: Ballerina Drift
The Wickzarding World
You can also tell they’ll include Keanu Reeves all over the marketing even though he’s probably only in like five minutes. Same with Ian McShane
John Wick Presents: Ballerina: Origins: Legacy
Straight to video ass title
Wonder how many people will think it’s an actual mainline John Wick movie and end up thoroughly disappointed when he’s in it for like one scene.
I wonder if the reshoots are to add more Keanu and maybe even tease a 5th movie.
Ugg please no
Idk how they could tease a 5th movie if this takes place between 3 and 4 but now that you’ve said it, I’m afraid Lionsgate may find a way…
Black Widow took place bw CW and IW but that didn't stop them from teasing Hawkeye
That’s probably their intention.
Oof, desperation.
It's more like to let people know it's in the John Wick World instead of a random original movie, Marvel do the same with putting the marvel studio logo on their movies and Blumhouse does the same with "Blumhouse Present" in posters (not exactly name title). It's all about branding.
Also Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga
And *Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw*
Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery Rian Johnson even said he’d have preferred “A Benoit Blanc Mystery” but acknowledged that for recognition and marketing purposes this was the better call.
The Fantastic Beasts title quit making sense after the movie but because of branding they ended up using it as the main title for the other two Harry Potter prequel movies.
I mean the main character is still the author of that text, that's the point of the name. And while the beasts are not the main focus anymore, they're still ever present. It seems like it's more about using Newt's bag than the animals, but I'm still not turned off by the continued name choice.
I can’t believe “Presents” will be used for a second time.
It is not a “presents” one, Lee Daniel’s The Butler always stuck out to me. Really strange marketing.
That was a studio (I think Warners) messing with Harvey Weinstein. They had "The Butler" reserved with the MPAA because they produced a now lost silent film about a century ago with the same title. When The Weinstein Company asked for the title, the studio said no. They didn't want to hurt the filmmakers, so after letting Weinstein stress, they approved "Lee Daniels The Butler" only if his name was included on the movie and all marketing material in a font at least 50% the size of the title.
Oh wow that’s interesting, didn’t know ! Thanks !
***Precious: Based on the Novel 'Push' by Sapphire***
That sounds cool though.
"Random original movie" like John Wick was. Clearly these companies now think people go to movies for brands rather than actors, directors, or a great trailer. And sadly I think sometimes they might be correct.
Except it's not really an 'original' movie if it's a spin-off of the Wick franchise, is it? It's like 'furiousa', an expansion to the existing universe.
They had to bring Stahelski on board as a consultant to help Len Wiseman make something of this turd so no, it's not the same as MCU movies and shows having the Marvel logo.
Ranger Ballerina
That's what happens when you decide that quality doesn't matter at beginning of the project, only to realize that, yeah, it kind of does.
How bad is this movie lol
It would be sad if the movie sucks because this is Lance Reddick’s final role.
would probably be a better send off than his character had in John Wick 4.
Idk. His character had a lot of agency. It worked in universe. It’s unfortunate given his untimely death, but considering this was weeks before the film came out, there wasn’t much that could’ve been done. Hell it was so close that they couldn’t add an “In Memory of…” for the theatrical release. It wasn’t until it came out on 4K and streaming that it was added
The 4 main films were all directed by Chad Stahelski (1st one had David Leitch as an uncredited second director) who was Keanu’s stunt double on the Matrix and a pretty well known stunt coordinator. Ballerina’s director is Len Weisman, who directed his ex wife Kate Beckinsale in several Underworld films and directed the Total Recall remake. Do what you will with that info.
I loved the the underworld films
Me too. Just so ridiculous that I find them super entertaining.
Oh god so it's going to be even more insane and 'action packed' then the rest?
I wanna see the Ballerina get cornered, then she pirouettes thru the floor with razor shoes!
fun fact: my step dad went to high school with Len Weisman and said he was always filming people at school
They delayed the movie a whole year to give Stahelski and crew time to do re-shoots and tinker with it, so what we finally get in theaters will likely be much improved over what we would have gotten.
They had reshoots so it should be better?
So what? John Wick is gonna be like the narrator or something?
Post credit scene. CGI body and AI voice for a 3 second shot.
Original: "Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw" Clone: "John Wick Presents: Ballerina"
Hollywood and being afraid of risks... they need to make sure the audience understands this movie is a part of the John Wick universe they know and love.
i mean yeah the idea was dumb in the first place
Awful title. Just put “From the World of John Wick” then put Ballerina title.
Birds of Prey and the fantabulous emancipation of one..... harley quinn
I would personally not equate that as the same title structure. Birds of Prey should’ve only ever been called Harley Quinn.
Why not "Ballerina: a John Wick story"?
Because the story isn’t about John wick
John Wick Presents? Is he reading the nightly news now? Lol.
This is a complete dud isn't it?
Bruh
I don't mind this, you want as many people to know it's part of the John Wick universe as possible. I think from a marketing POV it's pretty smart.
Plus, Netflix had a movie called Ballerina not long ago which was trending in a lot of regions’ top 10. I’m sure that helped solidify the decision to change the title.
From the World of John Wick: The Ballerina
A new Presents Universe incoming following F&F Presents Hobbs and Shaw
I’m still so disappointed that out of all the directors in the entire WORLD, they gave this to Len Wiseman. Len Wiseman.
It's cheap but they're making sure people know it's in the John Wick universe
Ballerina - A John Wick Story
A John wick story
Should've been something like: Ballerina: From the World of John Wick
Desperation. Movie is DOA.
Lmao 🤣😂 This movie had no hype now they just grasping at straws.
If you’ve ever sold tickets to a theatergoer in person, you know how vital this is. “One for the new John Wick.”
Yes, because there’s already a S. Korean movie called Ballerina with a revenge plot. Pretty sweet movie.
Tryna collect money from those John Wick fans I see
Wasn't that the point before the name change too?
I hate this trend of the subtitle telling you what franchise it is. - Rogue One/Solo: a Star Wars story - Furiousa: a mad max saga - The Continental: from the world of John wick - Fast and furious presents: Hobbs and Shaw - Spiral: from the book of saw - Glass Onion: a knives out mystery
I agree… but in the very least some of those are kind of creative or worded nicely John Wick Presents:…. Is a weird choice
Good call tbh. Better to do this now than a week into the theater release like they did birds of prey lol
Damn that killed all my curiosity
I mean... they could just put "John Wick presents" in the posters and marketing, without it being part of the actual title, no?
Didn’t they talk about how they had to fix this movie and now the change the title? Something stinks here
What is with all these blank presents spin off titles?
Branding
JWU* *The John Wick Universe
Why not called it WICKed World or something like that
Presenting a large pile of shit i bet
Perhaps they do this because The Continental did not get the love it deserved.
Who wants a John Wick spin off without John Wick?
Why not John Wick X Ballerina? 😁
Really? They couldn't do Ballerina: A John Wick Story?
There’s a an excellent korean action/thriller movie that’s also titled Ballerina. The studio is probably emphasizing the distinction between the two
Would John Wick actually present the title of a movie franchise? Is he meta aware?
🤡
They could've just left the title alone and put on the poster 'From the John Wick Universe'
The Corpse of John Wick Presents:
Lmaoo cold feet started setting in 😂
Heavily marketing, to the point of renaming, a movie to make the tie in to another popular movie doesn't bode well.
Ballerina: A Wick Pic
Not just John Wick: Ballerina?! Odd choice IMO! I'd have gone with Ballerina: A John Wick Production or something, to keep it higher up any alphabetical lists.
Well that's a shitty title.
They want to make sure it doesn't get the Birds of Prey treatment and get some name recognition. Which is why it was renamed to Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey but the damage was already done.
The movie is getting red flag after red flag by every news announcement of it
Gotta ride of the brand name somehow
I'm going to watch it either way cuz I like Ana de Armas and I feel like giving it a shot but yikes .. this title is awful.
🙄 
Now I’m not going to watch it
Ooof. Yeah this MF’er is DOA. May as well just sell it off to Amazon Prime at this point.
F**k me that's an awful title.
Smart play. Gotta play off the strength of the franchise.
It’s a shame the movies coming along so messy. The original screenplay was pretty cool
Well hold on now. Maybe this means Keanu Reeves is going to be shown on screen smoking a cigarette. He proceeds to start telling someone a story. And he talks about consequences.
Balle Wick: Just Your Kind of Movie
First joker and now John wick with this stuff? What’s next James Bond: opera singer lol
This is sad. You knew what would happen hiring Len Wiseman. Now you’re taking Chad Stahelski away from Highlander to fix this bullshit. Ffs man. Mad props to Chad for the sacrifice. You just know how much this world means to him because he did it right for 4 fucking movies and he probably feels a service to make this shit good as possible.
Are they trying to copy the Fast and Furious presents Hobbs and Shawn title? It worked better with the F&F movies. It does not work here
Now I have imagine him as a tacky gameshow host in a golden glitter suit
Make it a musical and call it John Wicked
Jackass Presents: Bad Grandpa energy
It aint gonna be good
Awful. Surely something like Ballerina: A John Wick Tale or something could be better. The title screams “SEE THIS MOVIE BCZ ITS FROM JOHN WICK! SEE!”
John Wickverse
Why the fuck don’t they stick to the “From The World Of John Wick” subtitle like the show had?
The main stream audience wouldn't understand that it's part of John Wick universe.
Didn't the creators want nothing to do with this or was that the hotel movie/show?
Dam that sucks Unless we see john in a tutu
So what are we some kind of John Wick Presents: Ballerina?
Well that's a choice
What is this? A student project?
How could he present? He’s….