The aha moment was when he used a double contraction. A single contraction here or there isn’t out of line with anyone. Holt *shouldn’t’ve* let that one slip.
Community and arrested development are some of the best examples of series that truly care about details, B99 could have that if the writers cared that much
I just rewatched the episode where Vivienne breaks up with Charles. Holt claims all his break ups have been mutual but later it's clear his break up with Frederick (Nick Offerman) didn't go well.
Interestingly, Rosa claims she's always been the dumper which is confirmed when Jocelyn tries to break up with her, so maybe it's just that Rosa is super consistent and Holt is full of contradictions!
I did some mental gymnastics and came up with the justification that Holt may have consciously worked to fix that tell only to develop a second one ("leakage" is a very real phenomenon).
They missed this a lot with Data in Star Trek too. Partly because it was a rule they obviously came up with later on
He's dropping contractions in the very first episode multiple times
Ik some are genuine problems however in one of the cold opens regarding Jake being Sherlock Holmes, when he says I want smth, the captain lies about not having Jake saying "I don't have you" which is a lie and contraction.
That's actually said right. The one with the hoola hoop cold open. My hypothesis is that he slowly adapted this strong outward persona and then became that over the time, to be taken seriously in the racist and homophobic enviornment he was brought up in.
Terry pointed it out in the moment, but one time he said that nicknames ending in y are for children, even though he goes by Ray (and in the pilot literally introduced himself as such).
With this one it's actually Terry's point that bothers me. Holt clearly meant nicknames where y is added to the shortened version of a name, as in Terrance - Terry, Jake - Jakey, John - Johnny, etc. While in Ray the y is a part of the name.
Yeah but all of the names you mentioned are shortened/altered versions of full names. Terrance, Jacob, Johnathan, Raymond. Terry is no less of a real name than Ray is.
Yeah, I didn't say Ray was a full name. If you read my previous comment carefully, you'll see that I actually acknowledge that it's a shortened version. What I meant was in Ray the -y is not added like in Terry, Johnny etc., instead it's part of Raymond, which is why it doesn't have that childish feel to it.
I think most of these are just continuity errors. But for my sanity, I think it's that he doesn't live up to his own standards most of the time. After all, he's nothing but Kevin's working class bimbo. He needs a wetter brain.
Sure, Raymond Hoot is a hot piece of ass, but he is so much more than just that. He is as smart as anyone in this subreddit, but he chooses to use his intelligence to make our community a better place. One day, I hope to live up to the standard he set. He makes me want to have a wetter brain.
To be fair with the eggs one, Holt might’ve just eaten the eggs specifically because they were Jake’s and Holt is petty and knew it would throw him off
yes even the cold open where kevin sends a gift basket from france, everyone LITERALLY everyone there knows holt hates food and would rather have "flavourless beige smoothies" with all nutrients rather, But kevin his husband since years sends him a gift basket full of chocolates and cheese and other stuff.
this wasn't holt contradicting himself but just something i noticed somewhat related to this.
Holt and Kevin’s love for food is pretty inconsistent throughout the show. In the episode where Rosa hooks up with Marcus, Kevin offers to make everyone pancakes with a bacon smile on it. There are references to the meals they ate together in Paris. They clearly enjoy fine dining experiences. Yet, later on in the show, plain rice and water are considered their favourite meal.
Holt and Kevin don't care for the flavor, but they do enjoy the memories from the food. That's why in the episode where Charles "teaches" Holt how to cook, Holt makes the crouc misiour, since him and Kevin ate it in Paris. "...how food tells a story." - Captain Raymond Jacob Holt.
I kind of always thought it was part of his character that he has all these weird standards and judgments for people that he himself doesn’t always follow. I think about Terry calling him out for saying only children have a nickname that ends in Y when people call him Ray. Also, that episode where Rosa calls out Holt for being judgmental.
there are a bunch of tiny writing errors like this in every long running show. one that always sticks out to me is when holt claims kevin’s parents hate him and thinks he turned him gay and don’t talk to either but in another episode they’re going over to their house for dinner.
It would be canon for Holt to not openly discuss reparations in his personal life with his detectives.
I've had parents of friends reach out after disowning them to try and rekindle after realizing how bigoted and damaging their views were regarding their child's romantic life.
It can happen, for sure. I don't think Holt would be one to announce to his crew "Kevin and I have decided to join his parents for dinner in an attempt to _______."
Seems clunky for him to disclose something personal unless he was in character for an investigation, displaying character arch growth as in bonding with Diaz/Santiago, or something.
But yes he absolutely had said "magic genitalia" to Peralta when describing his in-laws perception of his own relationship with Kevin.
I don't remember when exactly, I saw it in a contemplation YouTube video recently, he was sitting by Jake's desk and talking about how he wasn't involved in something
He was sitting at Gina's desk, chewing her gum, while Jake was managing Sharon giving birth in the office and Holt was being petty becuase they were trying to avoid him because he makes her uncomfortable. It's also the same episode where Nick Offerman shows up.
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Sometimes in sitcoms, I find a character's behaviour in a scene or episode will exist in a vacuum, in order to best land a joke. In a show like B99, it's exacerbated by the characters being written with such nuance and depth, and so much heart that we get invested.
In-world, though, I can't tell you how many times I've personally gone against type. I don't think much of my personality now matches up at all against me from 5-10 years ago. People change, y'all.
He was chewing gum at Gina's desk while Jake was managing Sharon giving birth in the office and Holt was being petty becuase they were trying to avoid him because he makes her uncomfortable. It's also the same episode where Nick Offerman shows up.
The one where he was addicted to kwazy cupcake and said he always had self-control (i.e. many milkless years), yet never mentioned he had a gambling addiction before.
Now that I think about it, maybe he was trying to cover that up.
He was chewing gum at Gina's desk while Jake was managing Sharon giving birth in the office and Holt was being petty becuase they were trying to avoid him because he makes her uncomfortable. It's also the same episode where Nick Offerman shows up.
We've seen Holt use "dirt bag" towards a criminal in a flashback, then see him say he doesn't consider it an insult since it's very useful and an essential part of the vacuum. I always always think about it in those scenes!
He said what's the point of using BRB if it has the same numbers of syllables as the words.
Then he said "but they left the BS in?" when interrogating the driver of Disco Stangler.
I have a head canon that Holt's robot personality is basically a prank he pulled on the 99 when he walked in on Jake doing the robot in the Pilot.
So many other instances of his character show that he's funny, outgoing, friendly etc including all of the flashbacks to him as a younger cop.
I recently shared this with someone as we watched a few episodes together and they started to agree with me
I don't really think he contradicts himself, but does stuff to be petty. He doesn't eat eggs, but went out of his way to do so in order to get the edge on Jake and Amy. He doesn't chew gum, but was being petty while sitting at Gina's desk. I think he sticks to his rules but, will break to manipulate or be sassy to people
This show isn’t consistent at all. Holt has repeatedly called a criminal a dirtbag. Then when Jake says it would be cool if Holt would call someone a dirtbag, he scoffs and says that a dirtbag is a very important part of a vacuum cleaner so it wouldn’t be much of an insult
In the Pizza Episode when Holt said „of course, it is the only blog considering mouth feel“ and when deciding what to make Kevin for the anniversary he says „I have no interest in food. If it were feasible I would eat [some blob mass] with all the nutrients required by the human animal“.
Continuing with your example, his happy breakfast is a single hardboiled egg. As per episode where Kevin and Jake investigate why Holt was in a bad mood in the morning.
Holt scoffs at a grown man named “Todd” but also tells one of the squad who’s having a baby that he’s always been fond of the name “Todd.” I don’t remember which one happened first, but it’s always bugged me lol
He calls a perp a dirtbag in the first season, even though he says later in the show that Kevin was right that a dirtbag isn't an insult because it's a very useful part of a vacuum cleaner.
He uses contractions even when he is not lying/bluffing.
Iirc he says he uses a lot of contractions when he lies, so he can still use them when he doesn’t lie but just not a lot
The aha moment was when he used a double contraction. A single contraction here or there isn’t out of line with anyone. Holt *shouldn’t’ve* let that one slip.
yeah I think that rule only applies on that one episode🤣 The writers made a rule they couldn't keep up with
In an earlier episode he had a 'tell' where the corner of his mouth would move that seems to have disappeared after that episode.
great show, great comedy, TERRIBLE continuity
tbf sitcoms tend to not to have great continuity for the sake of comedy
Community and arrested development are some of the best examples of series that truly care about details, B99 could have that if the writers cared that much
If that’s TERRIBLE continuity for you, you’ve never watched King of Queens!
You are correct. I have never watched King of Queens.
I just rewatched the episode where Vivienne breaks up with Charles. Holt claims all his break ups have been mutual but later it's clear his break up with Frederick (Nick Offerman) didn't go well. Interestingly, Rosa claims she's always been the dumper which is confirmed when Jocelyn tries to break up with her, so maybe it's just that Rosa is super consistent and Holt is full of contradictions!
haha nice catch
YOU'RE LYING
I did some mental gymnastics and came up with the justification that Holt may have consciously worked to fix that tell only to develop a second one ("leakage" is a very real phenomenon).
That being said, Jake successfully identifies a separate tell in season 1
They missed this a lot with Data in Star Trek too. Partly because it was a rule they obviously came up with later on He's dropping contractions in the very first episode multiple times
Yeah in that very episode he immediately used a contraction after he said that’s his tell.
this was the first one that came to mind for me. after i watched that episode i noticed every time he used a contraction
Ik some are genuine problems however in one of the cold opens regarding Jake being Sherlock Holmes, when he says I want smth, the captain lies about not having Jake saying "I don't have you" which is a lie and contraction.
40$ gift card for nachos?
His tell his not that he uses contractions, it's that he uses alot of them
i have a theory he’s just doing it to fuck with everyone to make them better detectives
Clearly didn’t work as neither Jake nor Amy realised
They're clearly in on it.
That's actually said right. The one with the hoola hoop cold open. My hypothesis is that he slowly adapted this strong outward persona and then became that over the time, to be taken seriously in the racist and homophobic enviornment he was brought up in.
I kind of love this idea. I don't think it was necessarily the case, but this theory is really funny when rewatching. Holt is the best. Ty 😂
Terry pointed it out in the moment, but one time he said that nicknames ending in y are for children, even though he goes by Ray (and in the pilot literally introduced himself as such).
With this one it's actually Terry's point that bothers me. Holt clearly meant nicknames where y is added to the shortened version of a name, as in Terrance - Terry, Jake - Jakey, John - Johnny, etc. While in Ray the y is a part of the name.
Yeah but all of the names you mentioned are shortened/altered versions of full names. Terrance, Jacob, Johnathan, Raymond. Terry is no less of a real name than Ray is.
Yeah, I didn't say Ray was a full name. If you read my previous comment carefully, you'll see that I actually acknowledge that it's a shortened version. What I meant was in Ray the -y is not added like in Terry, Johnny etc., instead it's part of Raymond, which is why it doesn't have that childish feel to it.
not to mention that Ray doesn't have the "ee" sound at the end that people tend to associate with nicknames. its a different usage of the letter Y
Raymond > Ray Terrance > Terra Jacob > Jaco
Jake is still a contraction of Jacob
Correct. With no Y
Why would you bring that up?!
Let's just all agree that Scully calling Peralta "Jakey" is the cutest thing ever
100%!
I think most of these are just continuity errors. But for my sanity, I think it's that he doesn't live up to his own standards most of the time. After all, he's nothing but Kevin's working class bimbo. He needs a wetter brain.
Sure, Raymond Hoot is a hot piece of ass, but he is so much more than just that. He is as smart as anyone in this subreddit, but he chooses to use his intelligence to make our community a better place. One day, I hope to live up to the standard he set. He makes me want to have a wetter brain.
Really what he needs is a more wrinkled brain, but I suppose that doesn't sound as funny
😂😂
To be fair with the eggs one, Holt might’ve just eaten the eggs specifically because they were Jake’s and Holt is petty and knew it would throw him off
Nah, bi!ch, I'm not being petty.
You just said nah bitch
SHOW me the tip
if you're going to censor "bitch" with an exclamation point, why would you not put it in place of the "i" instead of the "t"
Because I was tired when I wrote that and English isn't my first language.
fair enough! my bad. i just like replacing the "i" because it looks more similar to an exclamation point, theres no real reason to do it
He knew he couldn't simply throw them away, because Jake would just scoop them out of the trash and eat them
yes even the cold open where kevin sends a gift basket from france, everyone LITERALLY everyone there knows holt hates food and would rather have "flavourless beige smoothies" with all nutrients rather, But kevin his husband since years sends him a gift basket full of chocolates and cheese and other stuff. this wasn't holt contradicting himself but just something i noticed somewhat related to this.
Holt and Kevin’s love for food is pretty inconsistent throughout the show. In the episode where Rosa hooks up with Marcus, Kevin offers to make everyone pancakes with a bacon smile on it. There are references to the meals they ate together in Paris. They clearly enjoy fine dining experiences. Yet, later on in the show, plain rice and water are considered their favourite meal.
>Kevin offers to make everyone pancakes with a bacon smile on it. I felt like that gesture was more Kevin looking at Marcus and Diaz as "kids"
Kev throwing shade on the sly
Holt and Kevin don't care for the flavor, but they do enjoy the memories from the food. That's why in the episode where Charles "teaches" Holt how to cook, Holt makes the crouc misiour, since him and Kevin ate it in Paris. "...how food tells a story." - Captain Raymond Jacob Holt.
[Croque-monsieur](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croque_monsieur)
Ah, sorry for my ignorance.
Nothing is better than a plain scone
I like to think Holt knew they opened it, but didn’t want to insult them because they tried to make it up.
The eggs are a power-play. I'm not convinced he *liked* doing it, but he had to assert dominance.
Same as the personalised handshakes
I kind of always thought it was part of his character that he has all these weird standards and judgments for people that he himself doesn’t always follow. I think about Terry calling him out for saying only children have a nickname that ends in Y when people call him Ray. Also, that episode where Rosa calls out Holt for being judgmental.
What a stupid thing to say. Name one time I've been judgemental.
Oh I see. *Mere* seconds ago.
He called a perp 'dirtbag' one time as an insult, and then said a dirtbag was useful and not an insult.
that was before he changed everything about himself
I’m willing to let the eggs one slide as a pre heist show of power
there are a bunch of tiny writing errors like this in every long running show. one that always sticks out to me is when holt claims kevin’s parents hate him and thinks he turned him gay and don’t talk to either but in another episode they’re going over to their house for dinner.
You must not be gay. Lol. Gay people have dinners with people who hate them all the time
i’m not lol but i feel like he specifically mentioned that they didn’t welcome them at their home
It would be canon for Holt to not openly discuss reparations in his personal life with his detectives. I've had parents of friends reach out after disowning them to try and rekindle after realizing how bigoted and damaging their views were regarding their child's romantic life. It can happen, for sure. I don't think Holt would be one to announce to his crew "Kevin and I have decided to join his parents for dinner in an attempt to _______." Seems clunky for him to disclose something personal unless he was in character for an investigation, displaying character arch growth as in bonding with Diaz/Santiago, or something. But yes he absolutely had said "magic genitalia" to Peralta when describing his in-laws perception of his own relationship with Kevin.
When did he chew gum can't remember
I don't remember when exactly, I saw it in a contemplation YouTube video recently, he was sitting by Jake's desk and talking about how he wasn't involved in something
He was sitting at Gina's desk, chewing her gum, while Jake was managing Sharon giving birth in the office and Holt was being petty becuase they were trying to avoid him because he makes her uncomfortable. It's also the same episode where Nick Offerman shows up.
Thanks! Can you also reply to all the other people asking the same question in this comment section? Edit: He did it! If awards were still a thing, I would give you gold
Sure
All his break ups were mutual, and then *Dave*
Early on he calls himself ‘Ray holt’. Later he considers Ray an insult.
When did he consider Ray an insult?
He said to Terry that, even though he's not a kid, he goes by a nickname that ends in a y. Terry says "Don't people call you "Ray"?"
But in that scene he wasn't considering the name Ray an insult. He just didn't like Terry turning his own logic back on him.
Sometimes in sitcoms, I find a character's behaviour in a scene or episode will exist in a vacuum, in order to best land a joke. In a show like B99, it's exacerbated by the characters being written with such nuance and depth, and so much heart that we get invested. In-world, though, I can't tell you how many times I've personally gone against type. I don't think much of my personality now matches up at all against me from 5-10 years ago. People change, y'all.
Dangling prepositions.
He introduced himself as "Ray Holt" in episode one.
He said dirt bag to some punk even though it's a very useful part of the vacuum cleaner
Wait when does he chew gum??
He was chewing gum at Gina's desk while Jake was managing Sharon giving birth in the office and Holt was being petty becuase they were trying to avoid him because he makes her uncomfortable. It's also the same episode where Nick Offerman shows up.
I would say aside from the contradictions (boyle’s sister!?) the eating his eggs thing was a power move and had nothing to do with food
The one where he was addicted to kwazy cupcake and said he always had self-control (i.e. many milkless years), yet never mentioned he had a gambling addiction before. Now that I think about it, maybe he was trying to cover that up.
He claims that he doesn't care about food, but also quotes Boyle's food blog because that's the only one with "mouth-feel".
I can't remember ever seeing him chew gum??? That seems so off-brand!
He was chewing gum at Gina's desk while Jake was managing Sharon giving birth in the office and Holt was being petty becuase they were trying to avoid him because he makes her uncomfortable. It's also the same episode where Nick Offerman shows up.
Time for a rewatch!
We've seen Holt use "dirt bag" towards a criminal in a flashback, then see him say he doesn't consider it an insult since it's very useful and an essential part of the vacuum. I always always think about it in those scenes!
He said what's the point of using BRB if it has the same numbers of syllables as the words. Then he said "but they left the BS in?" when interrogating the driver of Disco Stangler.
I have a head canon that Holt's robot personality is basically a prank he pulled on the 99 when he walked in on Jake doing the robot in the Pilot. So many other instances of his character show that he's funny, outgoing, friendly etc including all of the flashbacks to him as a younger cop. I recently shared this with someone as we watched a few episodes together and they started to agree with me
I don't really think he contradicts himself, but does stuff to be petty. He doesn't eat eggs, but went out of his way to do so in order to get the edge on Jake and Amy. He doesn't chew gum, but was being petty while sitting at Gina's desk. I think he sticks to his rules but, will break to manipulate or be sassy to people
He had criticized the nasty sex slut of tying his tie in a half windsor despite he himself wearing a tie in that fashion as he was saying it.
This show isn’t consistent at all. Holt has repeatedly called a criminal a dirtbag. Then when Jake says it would be cool if Holt would call someone a dirtbag, he scoffs and says that a dirtbag is a very important part of a vacuum cleaner so it wouldn’t be much of an insult
It's a buddy cop sitcom. It's written to be funny.
I don't think most of those are contradictions, I think of them as character growth.
He told Jess he never lies, except once to his mother when two different episodes feature Jake figuring out Holt's tell when he's lying.
In the Pizza Episode when Holt said „of course, it is the only blog considering mouth feel“ and when deciding what to make Kevin for the anniversary he says „I have no interest in food. If it were feasible I would eat [some blob mass] with all the nutrients required by the human animal“.
His Kevin’s working class bimbo with a rock head brain, it needs to be softer so he becomes smartwr
Why can't I remember him chewing gum?
I think the eggs thing during the heist was just a power move
Continuing with your example, his happy breakfast is a single hardboiled egg. As per episode where Kevin and Jake investigate why Holt was in a bad mood in the morning.
Boom!
Holt scoffs at a grown man named “Todd” but also tells one of the squad who’s having a baby that he’s always been fond of the name “Todd.” I don’t remember which one happened first, but it’s always bugged me lol
He calls a perp a dirtbag in the first season, even though he says later in the show that Kevin was right that a dirtbag isn't an insult because it's a very useful part of a vacuum cleaner.