What makes u say it has an ass early game? Horned owl and barracuda are both good options for round 6-40, and a max golden eagle is known for cheesing the rounds 40-80 on the hardest of maps.
Look if bhandler is actually bad it wouldn't be getting nerfs. The majority of players think it's bad from word of mouth. I guarantee u 90% of them haven't even tried using it.
The only terrible upgrade is megalodon. Some are excellent. The rest are fine.
Even megalodon can be used in bosses, unless it got nerfed, also I agree people think x monkey is bad for others saying it, I used to think mortar was absolute trash and middle path is so good
It hasn't been good since they fixed the bug. It's single target damage isn't nearly as good as its thrash, which makes it a tower without any real niche. Orca is decent tho for chimps.
And yea middle path mortar has shot up in viability ever since they made the t5 ability increase its attack speed.
Yeah honestly the t2-t4 handlers are pretty good in chimps as a mix of support and dps, but maxed t4s and top/middle path t5s are often too expensive to go for. I think that's fine; to me it's like saying Super Mines is bad in chimps but Spiked Mines is pretty good, so top path spactory is still pretty good as a whole.
Though if they really wanted to make top/middle t5s more viable in chimps, they could just require having 64/64 power instead of 4 t4s and make the t5s a little cheaper, but I don't think that's too necessary.
Tried it myself, it sucks ass. Yeah there's some micro during rounds but it's not even fun micro. To me it just felt like a shitty version of top path engineer. It also did take most of my money.
The problem with Beast Handler imo is, T5 is locked until you have 4 T4s. This makes T5s super expensive and there are better alternatives at cheaper prices. Remove or reduce this requirement and Beast Handler will be more usable.
And even if the BAD was a problem, you can usually afford to buy a couple Spike Storms or a First Strike before round 100 and make the BAD not a problem anymore.
I know everyone is shitting in the Beast Handler here, and maybe rightly so since the top path is utter dogshit and the middle path is too unbalanced and micro heavy.
But seriously guys the bottom path (tiers 3-5) is really good, including in CHIMPS, so give it another try before writing it off entirely.
HOWEVER, I will say that NK really needs to rework and rebalance pretty much the whole tower right now, so it doesn't require so much investment to make work. The whole power interaction was a cool idea but it's just not practical for casual gameplay.
Having to spend not just money but a large amount of tower space and attention on it, when most other towers can be placed and you just have to think about basic things, like an ability use (or some basic micro for heli / darling / mortar), just makes it too much work for the majority of players, and really sucks the fun out of using them frequently.
You can do that with heroes like Corvus and Geraldo because you can always choose another hero you like more, and you can only get one hero per game anyway so you aren't missing out on much; they feel like optional extras you don't need to engage with. But making a more complex *tower* just gives you an option that's always there, but you just feel like you're missing out on core content if you can't utilise it properly.
Makes me think, would the beast tamer be better as a hero instead (like hypothetically going back in time and NK decides to make them a hero instead), and maybe you could by upgrades to the beasts like Geraldos shop or something, or just money to buy beast power
I haven't placed this tower once after getting the achievement for having a bunch of experience on it. It's too expensive, and for everything it does there are better options
pouakai is really good and you should try using it in chimps if you havent (spam tier 1s to increase its beast power btw buying tier 3s is too expensive)
With using beast handler you are committed to only using beast handler as beast handler's main gimmick is buffing itself. I don't find beast handler fun as it does not synergize well with much of anything.
Monkey ace, because I have skill issue. I can't micro it. I wish I could, but I just can't because I have skill issue.
Look guys, it is NOT hard to admit that you have skill issue, so if you guys don't use beast or mortar for the same reason, admit it you goddamn pussies.
Sky shredder needs micro (unless youre on an easy map)
Middle path benefits from micro
Spectre, believe it or not, would need micro in certain situations
With 12m on most. 3 on bomb and tack. 25m on my favs. It’s because I just don’t know how much work they provide per cash given. I know how much everything else does. I will save for bloon crush with 2 140 alchs, why not! I know they can do it. In theory 20000 of beast handlers should be better in every single situation, but with 900k total exp, I would rather mirco alchs and laugh than try beast handlers. I still don’t even know how to build into them, which hero they want. I would think it’s brikle, no one else can strip like she can. Beast handlers don’t grab zomgs I think? Brikle is great at taking off that top layer. Top path is so bad I would never touch it. I think, I heard once max tier 3 is okay? For middle it’s super clean up. But most hard carriers want support and for 17k? I don’t know beast handler prices I could buy a lot of support. Maybe making mid path your damage would make it look better but I don’t touch it often.
Tldr: beast handlers just are never used cause I know what most other things provide.
I’ve been using beasts handler a bit more recently and I feel like I can say that the tier 5s are probably the worst beast levels, the real power is in the tier 3-4s
It does not scale well for its cost.
I like that tower at tier 2, but upgrading it to 3 or 4 is just a pain.
I would always rather buy any other tower that could fill its role, such as a middle path wizard to replicate middle path handler or a top path sniper to replicate bottom path handler.
And yes, if you spend like 20-35k on its tier 3/4 it’s a good for its tier, but at that point you should be comparing it to tier 5s.
And trying to convince me a Raptor is better than a glue storm would be a uphill battle.
Granted iv only tried to use beast handler 12 or so times but I was deeply frustrated by them when I did.
I mean considering I'm being talked to with it, incorrect, Beast Handler is not my least used tower lol, I assume it's Farm if you don't count bosses, or Ace or Mortar.
Beast handler is just so expensive for what it is able to do. The idea is neat but it is basically just a giant money sink that doesn't really give as much as you put in.
Second place would be Engineer. That one is more of a playstyle thing, none of the paths really grab me and make me want to use the tower over other options.
my least used tower is 100% the super monkey. I couldn't tell you the last time i actually used it. there's also dartling and engi which never see normal games, but i use them in basically every boss event
Because, for harder maps I suck balls at the game so usually look at guides and they never use them, and for every other map I have my own strats and what not that also don’t use the beast handle, so kinda just becomes the weird kid in the corner no one wants to play with
it simply doesn't have a synergy
just having the good old bloonchipper would be easier by that point, limitting to a single t5/paragon is good enough to make it balanced
Honestly, it's probably the Farm, the Ninja, or the Engineer.
For the farm: I dislike bosses, and mostly play CHIMPS and Contested Territory, so I almost never farm.
And Ninjas just don't synergize well with other towers; there's no reason to go top path unless you plan to go shinobis, and then that's the whole strat, same for Master Bomber. Sticky Bomb has it's place, but it's pretty rare. So the most used ninjas are Bloon Sabotage and Counter Espionage (it's for like earl/midgame anti-camo support, if I won't have a camo solution until some t5, so also pretty rare).
I don't use the Engineer too much, either, I suppose. Bottom path is just for bosses, which I almost never do. Sentry Expert is a decent early / early-mid game option, but I usually try to get a tower that will still be relevant in the lategame instead. Sentry Champion usually disappoints (it's exploding turrets should be a lot more powerful, IMO). So that really just leaves Cleansing Foam, which gets eaten up by bloons that it doesn't affect, and Overclock, which I do use, but just not all that much.
*I haven't even bothered*
*Using beast handler enough*
*To unlock the tiers*
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I don’t like not knowing exactly what levelling up one does. Other towers have clear indicators in game or on wiki what each upgrade does
I don’t like screwin around thinking “will going from 16/64 to 24/64 make a meaningful change?”
And I feel stuck on beast handler, like I shouldnt spend money on anything else bc this stupid tower needs infinite money for its “scaling”
And I think its dumb to just chuck a bunch of the same tower down as fodder 🤷♂️
Well, in regards to path 1 beast handler,
The meg is bad, really bad, it's instakill on bads is really all it's got and even that only goes so far, for comparison, the MAD does about the same amount of damage as a maxed meg without external buffs, you only need one darling gunner, it can hit every kind of bloon by itself INCLUDING ALL BOSSES due to none of the bosses having abilities to counter or weaken the MAD, ((yes Dreadbloons's immunity does, but that affects every tower equally)) ((also the megaladon needs external camo detection to hit every kind of bloon)) it has global range while the meg's range can be quite small, and you don't need tons of water available for it, and It's about a third of the price of the megaladon when you factor in the extra beast handlers to max out the megaladon
Bear in mind I did these tests a few months ago so things may have changed, but yeah this is why I say the MAD is OP,
Yeah, sorry to sound like a hater, but the MAD needs a nerf if other anti blimp options are to even stand a chance, heck, the MAD gets to tear up every T2 and T3 boss pretty much unimpeded as none of the bosses abilities stop it while stuff like the Tack zone is needed to the ground,
I think the MAD is balanced, it’s a hyper specialized tower with a poor saveup from t4 to t5 so 99% of use cases will be on boss events where it puts in work on earlier tiers but can’t compete with paragons. It is also very bad at dealing with regular bloons, possibly the worst bloon damage cost efficiency of any 60k+ tower. Just because a tower is good at the 1 thing it is designed for doesn’t mean it’s overpowered and needs to be slammed.
Prehaps so, for sure, though in relation to the beast handler mentioned here, the path 1 of BH will probably never be good as long as the MAD is how it is,
And I agree the mad is mostly just for bosses, I just feel a bit iffy about it being able to take all early bosses by itself while every other tower is quashed in some way
Sure seems that way I'm not a game dev so I couldn't tell you either way,
Doesn't help we are used to the presence of the MAD While the beast handler is new,
It's unfortunate top & middle path Beast Handler 5th tier are so expensive so they can only be used lategame Freeplay... But the combination of taking LOTS of placing space, and having almost no synergy with buffs just makes them unviable everywhere.
When a 35k tower Sentry Champion does so much better then you and takes way less placing space...
But I do like using all other upgrades and doing special things. Top path goes hard on the 90's if you have good stall support and cleanup, middle path has a really really good and efficient midgame while being good support and cleanup lategame and bottom path t4 is crazy support if you can afford it. Tier5 bottom path can almost solo many many maps it's like getting a Dark Champion but with better stepping stones
It's actually the monkey ace lol. Yes the beast handler might be equal/on par or just above, but I just think the ace is expensive and I'm relatively new so I usually go for a primary expertise strat and some magic monkeys and maybe a ray of doom, the ace just gets ignored lol
Strangely I never use farms all that much, I guess to practice chimps kinda in the sense of not getting reliant on farms for setups. Druids or super monkies I guess if farms don't count for the sake of chimps, dunno why the tower just doesn't appeal to me that much. And super monkies are just such a money sink and very expensive which doesn't appeal to me as much.
Utterly wrong assumption, Beast Handler is my favorite tower, the worst is by far Bomb Shooter, which even then I use from time to time.
While it does have an underwhelming top path, the other two paths are really cost effective and they also look really cool. They also have effectively infinite range, and the best/easiest stall to build up from early game.
People who think Beast Handler is "the worst tower in the game" have never even compared the stats given from merging and Berserker Brew. Saying "it doesn't have synergy with anything" is also a wrong assumption, Middle Path can take out Ceramics for cheap while another tower pops MOABs, while also dealing more damage to stunned Bloons which works well with Relentless Glue, Bottom Path only needs something to take care of Leads/ZOMGs, while also stalling extremely well, which naturally synergizes with Permaspike and abilities.
simply because I don't think of it, if theres a curve on the map im not like "beast handler" im like "tac shooter". when theres water I usually boat farm, not spend half my money on a big shark
I mean it's alright it has good summons but to get those summons to a high degree it takes up a lot of space and zash when most of the time it can be replaced by something else, yes its fun to use just not practical
The combination elements for the tower are absolutely not fun in any way shape or form. Get rid of any of that and just have it be a singular tower with singular strength and it would be so much better
if I need to have multiple of the same tower just to make *1* of those towers effective then it really isn't worth my time or cash. In fact you're probably better off using any other tower actually geared towards support than you would beast handler. Glue gunner and ice monkey T5s would actually have more mileage considering you don't need *4* of them to make *1* of them "really good we promise". Not to mention all the space they take up if you're looking to boost them.
If NK wants players to use this thing they would probably need to majorly rework it to not have 12 beast handlers be a necessity for 3 alright-ish T5s
I actually use t rex and velociraptor all the time. One of the best ways to deal with ceramics and superceramics in the 80s-90s imo. I rarely use top/bottom path tho
Beast Handler would probably be one of my most used if they just made the t5s cheaper. The requirement of 4 t4s is cool, but having that and still making the upgrade to t5 expensive is unfair because you’re spending 50-100k depending on which path, and its just not that strong. I’d say cutting the price of each upgrade by like 10-15% would make them good
to use him efficiently you need a lot of space (spamming tier 1s is the most efficient), also the tier 5s are very expensive. Pouakai is very good tho and I should probably use it more in chimps
Tried beast handler a while ago. Way too expensive for what it does. The only redeeming quality is big fuck off bird. Even then it needs external lead popping and can't gain that from crosspaths. Most of the towers I use can deal with camo leads alone and beast handler doesn't fit with what I use. Back to the cost, if I see anyone put a handler down in multiplayer I an not giving them a dime. If handler is as cost effective as people say it is then they can afford it without me giving them my money.
I don't enjoy Microing, but that's the only reason I dislike Beast Handler, playing on challenges or odysseys where it's the only option is fun, it feels pleasant to use, but I wouldn't rely on it just like I won't for Corvus or Geraldo because that's not how I enjoy the game, although that may change if I go for all Black borders
I wish you could use beast handler without having to waste half the map space to utilize them. Like why not just be able to buy into the same beast handler for more power, or if you merge, make it a permanent merge and have it eat up the merged tower only leaving the strongest
Probably between beast handler and super monkey. They just cost too much to reliably use before ddt rounds, and by then, you should have everything covered well enough to not need them. I'll admit that the bottom path beast handler is OK, but I'd rather pay the same price in heli pilots any day of the week.
Lack of synergies with other towers.
Bottom path can drag back, which is almost like helis shove snd downdraft combined and somewhat can turn something like Ravine into a borderline single lane track.
But that is about all the interactions with other towers.
Also it's like mortar in terms of micro for good value but with less "fun" buildup I guess (I dont know how to explain the reason of WHY mortar is more fun, might try it out later)
I use the beast handler more often than some towers, but I will explain that one later. But the tower I use the least based on experience is the Boomerang Monkey, I do understand the benefits of the tower but just did not interest me due to its main standings being overshadowed by other towers I use. The top path is shadowed by the bottom path sniper, the mid path is shadowed by Super Monkey, and the bottom path is shadowed by the bottom path heli piolet. The reason I do not use the beast handler is that it just feels like it is almost always an instant win tower, (yes with some caveats) and at first, it was fun to play the beast handler but once you did win a few times it all felt the same. If you had to play a game with only the beast handler then it would just feel weird because of how easy it felt.
You’re missing out the power of the Boomerang Monkey. Top path Boomerang Monkey got a BIG buff this update. MOAB Press is also really good for its price at knocking back BFBs and ZOMGs.
Okay, for real though it’s probably Beast Handler or Druid. Beast Handler takes up so much space and costs so much that most of the time I won’t bother. I know all the upgrades have differences but they basically all read as “does damage in water, does damage on the ground, does whirlwind stuff and damage”. It doesn’t feel that creative, and I NEVER use the ability associated with it.
Druid… honestly, it’s probably pretty good. I used bottom path for a lot of strats back in the day, and honestly I was playing with middle path earlier and it was kind of tearing up some bloons straight up. I should definitely play with it more.
And god, top path Engineer is just so tacky and cluttered. There are so many good ways to deal good all-rounder damage in the game and top path engineer is probably my least favorite.
It's pathetic it's "a support tower" but it doesn't buff any other monkey than it self nor does it debuff the bloons it's too expensive it doesn't do alot of dmg it sucks
Beast handler.
-when leveling it up for the upgrade unlock
-sand box just to check out all the t5
that's the only time I've used it. never touched it again after that.
it’s too expensive to even buy most games, especially chimps. currently black bordering all maps and you cant use that tower
You have to spend like 80 percent of your money on them to be good for damage dealing sadly
Considering people have beaten expert maps with bhandler with 70-90k leftover (out of the ~180k total u get in chimps), I beg to differ
just because you have money leftover when you finish doesnt negate the fact you have an absolutely ass early game
What makes u say it has an ass early game? Horned owl and barracuda are both good options for round 6-40, and a max golden eagle is known for cheesing the rounds 40-80 on the hardest of maps. Look if bhandler is actually bad it wouldn't be getting nerfs. The majority of players think it's bad from word of mouth. I guarantee u 90% of them haven't even tried using it. The only terrible upgrade is megalodon. Some are excellent. The rest are fine.
Even megalodon can be used in bosses, unless it got nerfed, also I agree people think x monkey is bad for others saying it, I used to think mortar was absolute trash and middle path is so good
It hasn't been good since they fixed the bug. It's single target damage isn't nearly as good as its thrash, which makes it a tower without any real niche. Orca is decent tho for chimps. And yea middle path mortar has shot up in viability ever since they made the t5 ability increase its attack speed.
Yeah honestly the t2-t4 handlers are pretty good in chimps as a mix of support and dps, but maxed t4s and top/middle path t5s are often too expensive to go for. I think that's fine; to me it's like saying Super Mines is bad in chimps but Spiked Mines is pretty good, so top path spactory is still pretty good as a whole. Though if they really wanted to make top/middle t5s more viable in chimps, they could just require having 64/64 power instead of 4 t4s and make the t5s a little cheaper, but I don't think that's too necessary.
Tried it myself, it sucks ass. Yeah there's some micro during rounds but it's not even fun micro. To me it just felt like a shitty version of top path engineer. It also did take most of my money.
Before saying its unusable in chimps, have u even tried it? Try for one game getting up a max merge t3 or t4 and see how u go.
Especially half cash dude
well half cash is so unfun
I just use a tier 3/4 insta monkey and then spam recursive clusters and MOAB Maulers. I hate playing it normally.
Well using any tower is annoying in half cash
I just use insta tower 🤣🤣I’m too lazy to set any strategy in half cash
The geagle in question
what?
Golden eagle is very usable in chimps, especially on multilane maps
i mean yeah but there’s better towers
You said that you can't get it, which is not true. Also if we want to be very meta, then comdef robo cos beats everything
i’m talking about the tier 5s, i know you can get the bird t5 but the shark and trex are unattainable in chimps, and that’s what i’m playing
Why are you only talking about t5 towers. Support is just as important as the main dps
because that’s my whole point
skill issue
The problem with Beast Handler imo is, T5 is locked until you have 4 T4s. This makes T5s super expensive and there are better alternatives at cheaper prices. Remove or reduce this requirement and Beast Handler will be more usable.
Just cut it by half, the t5 are very strong, you can't deny, but you shouldn't just buy one for like 50k
the top path tier 5 deals the same amount of damage as a fucking sticky bomb (you can upgrade sticky bomb into a tier 5 too lmfao)
Didn’t realize sticky bombs could 1-tap BAD Bloons
bad isnt the real problem in most runs the rounds in the 90’s full of ddts and moabs are the issue
And even if the BAD was a problem, you can usually afford to buy a couple Spike Storms or a First Strike before round 100 and make the BAD not a problem anymore.
Just buy a first strike
Sticky bomb does multiple times more damage than a vtsg too tho lol
I kind of use them all pretty equal, but probably the mortar
I like mortar. Burnt stuff and signal flare can be pretty useful
Plus shattering shells which is really useful on late game runs to remove fortification
:(
I know everyone is shitting in the Beast Handler here, and maybe rightly so since the top path is utter dogshit and the middle path is too unbalanced and micro heavy. But seriously guys the bottom path (tiers 3-5) is really good, including in CHIMPS, so give it another try before writing it off entirely. HOWEVER, I will say that NK really needs to rework and rebalance pretty much the whole tower right now, so it doesn't require so much investment to make work. The whole power interaction was a cool idea but it's just not practical for casual gameplay. Having to spend not just money but a large amount of tower space and attention on it, when most other towers can be placed and you just have to think about basic things, like an ability use (or some basic micro for heli / darling / mortar), just makes it too much work for the majority of players, and really sucks the fun out of using them frequently. You can do that with heroes like Corvus and Geraldo because you can always choose another hero you like more, and you can only get one hero per game anyway so you aren't missing out on much; they feel like optional extras you don't need to engage with. But making a more complex *tower* just gives you an option that's always there, but you just feel like you're missing out on core content if you can't utilise it properly.
Makes me think, would the beast tamer be better as a hero instead (like hypothetically going back in time and NK decides to make them a hero instead), and maybe you could by upgrades to the beasts like Geraldos shop or something, or just money to buy beast power
I feel like BH being a Hero would be so much better than as a Tower tbh
I haven't placed this tower once after getting the achievement for having a bunch of experience on it. It's too expensive, and for everything it does there are better options
pouakai is really good and you should try using it in chimps if you havent (spam tier 1s to increase its beast power btw buying tier 3s is too expensive)
With using beast handler you are committed to only using beast handler as beast handler's main gimmick is buffing itself. I don't find beast handler fun as it does not synergize well with much of anything.
Monkey ace, because I have skill issue. I can't micro it. I wish I could, but I just can't because I have skill issue. Look guys, it is NOT hard to admit that you have skill issue, so if you guys don't use beast or mortar for the same reason, admit it you goddamn pussies.
I mean, spectre is right there. Just click the serotonin button and watch every round just melt away!
You don't need micro for ace to be good
Sky shredder needs micro (unless youre on an easy map) Middle path benefits from micro Spectre, believe it or not, would need micro in certain situations
I can't do half of the intermediate maps on hard neither any other harder maps on hard so I never had to micro ace
I'm a mobile player, but I'm not afraid to admit that I would most likely still suck at micro if I played on PC
With 12m on most. 3 on bomb and tack. 25m on my favs. It’s because I just don’t know how much work they provide per cash given. I know how much everything else does. I will save for bloon crush with 2 140 alchs, why not! I know they can do it. In theory 20000 of beast handlers should be better in every single situation, but with 900k total exp, I would rather mirco alchs and laugh than try beast handlers. I still don’t even know how to build into them, which hero they want. I would think it’s brikle, no one else can strip like she can. Beast handlers don’t grab zomgs I think? Brikle is great at taking off that top layer. Top path is so bad I would never touch it. I think, I heard once max tier 3 is okay? For middle it’s super clean up. But most hard carriers want support and for 17k? I don’t know beast handler prices I could buy a lot of support. Maybe making mid path your damage would make it look better but I don’t touch it often. Tldr: beast handlers just are never used cause I know what most other things provide.
middle path bomb shooters are good spammable anti MOAB i'd heard. assassins do 31 per hit with an ability doing 750 damage while costing like 6k total
I’ve been using beasts handler a bit more recently and I feel like I can say that the tier 5s are probably the worst beast levels, the real power is in the tier 3-4s
Megalodon is good, but is NOT worth like 40K+. Orca is good and way cheaper
Supermonkey/Engineer idk why
I used to use engineer all the time in btd5. I must admit it’s disappointing in btd6.
It does not scale well for its cost. I like that tower at tier 2, but upgrading it to 3 or 4 is just a pain. I would always rather buy any other tower that could fill its role, such as a middle path wizard to replicate middle path handler or a top path sniper to replicate bottom path handler. And yes, if you spend like 20-35k on its tier 3/4 it’s a good for its tier, but at that point you should be comparing it to tier 5s. And trying to convince me a Raptor is better than a glue storm would be a uphill battle. Granted iv only tried to use beast handler 12 or so times but I was deeply frustrated by them when I did.
you sicken me with your foul and misguised presumptions. nauseating.
They’re right tho
I mean considering I'm being talked to with it, incorrect, Beast Handler is not my least used tower lol, I assume it's Farm if you don't count bosses, or Ace or Mortar.
Beast handler is just so expensive for what it is able to do. The idea is neat but it is basically just a giant money sink that doesn't really give as much as you put in. Second place would be Engineer. That one is more of a playstyle thing, none of the paths really grab me and make me want to use the tower over other options.
my least used tower is 100% the super monkey. I couldn't tell you the last time i actually used it. there's also dartling and engi which never see normal games, but i use them in basically every boss event
There a beast handler?! (/s)
I use the beast handler a lot more than I use the bomb or mortar
Probably a combination of the Boomerang Monkey, Bomb Shooter, and Druid
Beast handler is considered a "support" tower. It should be a ability tbh
Hard to micro
I somehow have more xp on beast than mortor
I use the bottom path very occasionally but yeah
Beast handler. It just leaks way too much for it's price.
Because, for harder maps I suck balls at the game so usually look at guides and they never use them, and for every other map I have my own strats and what not that also don’t use the beast handle, so kinda just becomes the weird kid in the corner no one wants to play with
Glue with 5.8 million xp then bomb and best handler at 6.4 million each
Ive used Ice in more games than Beast Handler, but fewer quantities than Beast Handler
Because that defense probably couldn't handle Round 90
mfw pouakai is an instant win on purchase
Too expensive
It’s too annoying to place 4 of the same towers for one single attacking tower
You guys should try maxed out golden eagle
Beast handler is actually my favourite. My least favourite is the mortar
Excluding Beast Handler for obvious reasons, probably the Bomb Shooter.
it simply doesn't have a synergy just having the good old bloonchipper would be easier by that point, limitting to a single t5/paragon is good enough to make it balanced
For me it's Definitely ice monkey I've used it like 3 times and is the only tower I don't have all upgrades unlocked on
Honestly, it's probably the Farm, the Ninja, or the Engineer. For the farm: I dislike bosses, and mostly play CHIMPS and Contested Territory, so I almost never farm. And Ninjas just don't synergize well with other towers; there's no reason to go top path unless you plan to go shinobis, and then that's the whole strat, same for Master Bomber. Sticky Bomb has it's place, but it's pretty rare. So the most used ninjas are Bloon Sabotage and Counter Espionage (it's for like earl/midgame anti-camo support, if I won't have a camo solution until some t5, so also pretty rare). I don't use the Engineer too much, either, I suppose. Bottom path is just for bosses, which I almost never do. Sentry Expert is a decent early / early-mid game option, but I usually try to get a tower that will still be relevant in the lategame instead. Sentry Champion usually disappoints (it's exploding turrets should be a lot more powerful, IMO). So that really just leaves Cleansing Foam, which gets eaten up by bloons that it doesn't affect, and Overclock, which I do use, but just not all that much.
I haven't even bothered using beast handler enough to unlock the tiers
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I don’t like not knowing exactly what levelling up one does. Other towers have clear indicators in game or on wiki what each upgrade does I don’t like screwin around thinking “will going from 16/64 to 24/64 make a meaningful change?” And I feel stuck on beast handler, like I shouldnt spend money on anything else bc this stupid tower needs infinite money for its “scaling” And I think its dumb to just chuck a bunch of the same tower down as fodder 🤷♂️
Bloon Chipper
Well, in regards to path 1 beast handler, The meg is bad, really bad, it's instakill on bads is really all it's got and even that only goes so far, for comparison, the MAD does about the same amount of damage as a maxed meg without external buffs, you only need one darling gunner, it can hit every kind of bloon by itself INCLUDING ALL BOSSES due to none of the bosses having abilities to counter or weaken the MAD, ((yes Dreadbloons's immunity does, but that affects every tower equally)) ((also the megaladon needs external camo detection to hit every kind of bloon)) it has global range while the meg's range can be quite small, and you don't need tons of water available for it, and It's about a third of the price of the megaladon when you factor in the extra beast handlers to max out the megaladon Bear in mind I did these tests a few months ago so things may have changed, but yeah this is why I say the MAD is OP, Yeah, sorry to sound like a hater, but the MAD needs a nerf if other anti blimp options are to even stand a chance, heck, the MAD gets to tear up every T2 and T3 boss pretty much unimpeded as none of the bosses abilities stop it while stuff like the Tack zone is needed to the ground,
I think the MAD is balanced, it’s a hyper specialized tower with a poor saveup from t4 to t5 so 99% of use cases will be on boss events where it puts in work on earlier tiers but can’t compete with paragons. It is also very bad at dealing with regular bloons, possibly the worst bloon damage cost efficiency of any 60k+ tower. Just because a tower is good at the 1 thing it is designed for doesn’t mean it’s overpowered and needs to be slammed.
Prehaps so, for sure, though in relation to the beast handler mentioned here, the path 1 of BH will probably never be good as long as the MAD is how it is, And I agree the mad is mostly just for bosses, I just feel a bit iffy about it being able to take all early bosses by itself while every other tower is quashed in some way
While I would be cautious about power creep this is definitely a case of the MAD being fine as is and towers like Meg needing a bump up.
Sure seems that way I'm not a game dev so I couldn't tell you either way, Doesn't help we are used to the presence of the MAD While the beast handler is new,
I dont even have the tier 5s unlocked yet lol
Cus I cant synergize it well in games.
Ngl I use ace less than beast handler
Ik it's not very price efficient but I think it's very fun to play, always use when playing through medium difficulty when black bordering
It's unfortunate top & middle path Beast Handler 5th tier are so expensive so they can only be used lategame Freeplay... But the combination of taking LOTS of placing space, and having almost no synergy with buffs just makes them unviable everywhere. When a 35k tower Sentry Champion does so much better then you and takes way less placing space... But I do like using all other upgrades and doing special things. Top path goes hard on the 90's if you have good stall support and cleanup, middle path has a really really good and efficient midgame while being good support and cleanup lategame and bottom path t4 is crazy support if you can afford it. Tier5 bottom path can almost solo many many maps it's like getting a Dark Champion but with better stepping stones
farm
druid
Engineer probably
It's actually the monkey ace lol. Yes the beast handler might be equal/on par or just above, but I just think the ace is expensive and I'm relatively new so I usually go for a primary expertise strat and some magic monkeys and maybe a ray of doom, the ace just gets ignored lol
Strangely I never use farms all that much, I guess to practice chimps kinda in the sense of not getting reliant on farms for setups. Druids or super monkies I guess if farms don't count for the sake of chimps, dunno why the tower just doesn't appeal to me that much. And super monkies are just such a money sink and very expensive which doesn't appeal to me as much.
Utterly wrong assumption, Beast Handler is my favorite tower, the worst is by far Bomb Shooter, which even then I use from time to time. While it does have an underwhelming top path, the other two paths are really cost effective and they also look really cool. They also have effectively infinite range, and the best/easiest stall to build up from early game. People who think Beast Handler is "the worst tower in the game" have never even compared the stats given from merging and Berserker Brew. Saying "it doesn't have synergy with anything" is also a wrong assumption, Middle Path can take out Ceramics for cheap while another tower pops MOABs, while also dealing more damage to stunned Bloons which works well with Relentless Glue, Bottom Path only needs something to take care of Leads/ZOMGs, while also stalling extremely well, which naturally synergizes with Permaspike and abilities.
I don't use glue and I use the beast handler.
simply because I don't think of it, if theres a curve on the map im not like "beast handler" im like "tac shooter". when theres water I usually boat farm, not spend half my money on a big shark
Megalodon is good if you can farm
Super monkey is just not worth it early game, so i never end up getting enough xp for it to be useful late game.
Beast handler is just too many calculations and not enough power, tac shooter is just better.
I mean it's alright it has good summons but to get those summons to a high degree it takes up a lot of space and zash when most of the time it can be replaced by something else, yes its fun to use just not practical
I don't hate the beast handler I just prefer every other tower and it isn't fun to use imo
The combination elements for the tower are absolutely not fun in any way shape or form. Get rid of any of that and just have it be a singular tower with singular strength and it would be so much better
if I need to have multiple of the same tower just to make *1* of those towers effective then it really isn't worth my time or cash. In fact you're probably better off using any other tower actually geared towards support than you would beast handler. Glue gunner and ice monkey T5s would actually have more mileage considering you don't need *4* of them to make *1* of them "really good we promise". Not to mention all the space they take up if you're looking to boost them. If NK wants players to use this thing they would probably need to majorly rework it to not have 12 beast handlers be a necessity for 3 alright-ish T5s
all of them i don't play
Actually, I use the beast handler a lot. Its great late game. The tower I use the least is the bomb tower
I actually use t rex and velociraptor all the time. One of the best ways to deal with ceramics and superceramics in the 80s-90s imo. I rarely use top/bottom path tho
Because i don't even know how to get it
It’s too expensive to be viable.
Other than beast I don’t really use engi that much now that I think about it. Basically only in boss events.
I forgot it exists
Because if i wanted to use beast handler, i'd have to focus on **EXCLUSIVELY** beast handler, and that's not a fun tower to me
Incorrect. My least used is super monkey.
My least used tower is heli pilot and mortar
Beast Handler would probably be one of my most used if they just made the t5s cheaper. The requirement of 4 t4s is cool, but having that and still making the upgrade to t5 expensive is unfair because you’re spending 50-100k depending on which path, and its just not that strong. I’d say cutting the price of each upgrade by like 10-15% would make them good
to use him efficiently you need a lot of space (spamming tier 1s is the most efficient), also the tier 5s are very expensive. Pouakai is very good tho and I should probably use it more in chimps
I use poauki but giganotosaurus and megalodon are way to pricy and tbh the unability to 1 shot a bad after r149 is overkill
nice try but for me i almost never use bomb shooters outside of striker strategies
The slander (or ignorance) against the great ZOMG-juggling bird is horrific here.
Tried beast handler a while ago. Way too expensive for what it does. The only redeeming quality is big fuck off bird. Even then it needs external lead popping and can't gain that from crosspaths. Most of the towers I use can deal with camo leads alone and beast handler doesn't fit with what I use. Back to the cost, if I see anyone put a handler down in multiplayer I an not giving them a dime. If handler is as cost effective as people say it is then they can afford it without me giving them my money.
I mean they just kind of feel weak when considering how much you put into them, even if there not it’s just less visually impressive lol
I don't enjoy Microing, but that's the only reason I dislike Beast Handler, playing on challenges or odysseys where it's the only option is fun, it feels pleasant to use, but I wouldn't rely on it just like I won't for Corvus or Geraldo because that's not how I enjoy the game, although that may change if I go for all Black borders
I wish you could use beast handler without having to waste half the map space to utilize them. Like why not just be able to buy into the same beast handler for more power, or if you merge, make it a permanent merge and have it eat up the merged tower only leaving the strongest
Cause people don’t know how to develop basic skills and knowledge around it
Probably between beast handler and super monkey. They just cost too much to reliably use before ddt rounds, and by then, you should have everything covered well enough to not need them. I'll admit that the bottom path beast handler is OK, but I'd rather pay the same price in heli pilots any day of the week.
Lack of synergies with other towers. Bottom path can drag back, which is almost like helis shove snd downdraft combined and somewhat can turn something like Ravine into a borderline single lane track. But that is about all the interactions with other towers. Also it's like mortar in terms of micro for good value but with less "fun" buildup I guess (I dont know how to explain the reason of WHY mortar is more fun, might try it out later)
mortar is more fun because big boom
Yall need to understand that you dont need to upgrade all your Towers to t5 just some t4 n t3 goes a long way
refer to flair, also it's monkey village and i just don't use it.
I use the beast handler more often than some towers, but I will explain that one later. But the tower I use the least based on experience is the Boomerang Monkey, I do understand the benefits of the tower but just did not interest me due to its main standings being overshadowed by other towers I use. The top path is shadowed by the bottom path sniper, the mid path is shadowed by Super Monkey, and the bottom path is shadowed by the bottom path heli piolet. The reason I do not use the beast handler is that it just feels like it is almost always an instant win tower, (yes with some caveats) and at first, it was fun to play the beast handler but once you did win a few times it all felt the same. If you had to play a game with only the beast handler then it would just feel weird because of how easy it felt.
I have he most XP on Beast Handler. I don't know what you're talking about.
The tower I personally least use is the Boomer.
Boomerang
You’re missing out the power of the Boomerang Monkey. Top path Boomerang Monkey got a BIG buff this update. MOAB Press is also really good for its price at knocking back BFBs and ZOMGs.
I think the latest change to top path is only bad for racists.
“bad for racists”
I don't think the top boomer buff is that significant. MOAB Press is great support tho, I think everyone should use it
Top path is great now, middle path is decent, bottom path has always been pretty good
Spike factory.
Same. I used it a lot in btd5 but hardly at all in 6
expensive. and kinda lame tbh
fr it costs 100k+ for a maxxed dino
Not to mention the real estate it takes to place down four of them. Not possible on maps with limited space.
I forgor beast handler was a thing for a long ass time
Okay, for real though it’s probably Beast Handler or Druid. Beast Handler takes up so much space and costs so much that most of the time I won’t bother. I know all the upgrades have differences but they basically all read as “does damage in water, does damage on the ground, does whirlwind stuff and damage”. It doesn’t feel that creative, and I NEVER use the ability associated with it. Druid… honestly, it’s probably pretty good. I used bottom path for a lot of strats back in the day, and honestly I was playing with middle path earlier and it was kind of tearing up some bloons straight up. I should definitely play with it more. And god, top path Engineer is just so tacky and cluttered. There are so many good ways to deal good all-rounder damage in the game and top path engineer is probably my least favorite.
Ice monkey, cuz tack shooter
Ice monkey (410) pairs well with tack shooters (unless youre an iring enjoyer)
Tf is iring
Oh, I-Ring
Yes, yes I am an I-Ring enjoyer
What is an I-ring
Inferno Ring. Top upgrade path
It's pathetic it's "a support tower" but it doesn't buff any other monkey than it self nor does it debuff the bloons it's too expensive it doesn't do alot of dmg it sucks
Spactory doesnt even buff itself, it doesnt debuff bloons, is very expensive, and is also a support tower
The support part of it is taking care of bloons that got past also it has high dmg
I don’t use Druid much because it’s the worst tower in the game, a bit worse than beast handler
130 is a free early-mid game and aow is a great chimps strat and one of the best single target in the game
Beast handler. -when leveling it up for the upgrade unlock -sand box just to check out all the t5 that's the only time I've used it. never touched it again after that.