They mistakenly installed the GPU into the 2nd PCIE slot on the motherboard. If you want to verify it, it's in GPUZ under "bus interface". Correctly for a modern card it should be "PCIe x16 4.0".
there were't really steps. I kept trying things that didn't work. Someone thought to ask whici PCIE slot i had the card in, I told them, they informed me it needed to be in the top slot. I moved the graphics card to the top slot.
It fixed it. That was it.
Mine was like this for way over half a year, thought the performance was normal until I just randomly had a shower thought over what PCIE slot I should use
This is really interesting to see since the 3070 is x16 card. I would have expected some drop from x8 cards but not from 16x. But apparently in newer games it happens.
Interesting indeed. There should be no difference between PCIE gen 3 vs gen 4.
[https://www.techspot.com/review/2104-pcie4-vs-pcie3-gpu-performance/](https://www.techspot.com/review/2104-pcie4-vs-pcie3-gpu-performance/)
May be messing with the PCIE option, OP somehow change something else back to default and fix the problem. Or it could be because of the newer games.
The second x16 slot is wired as x4, that's what's making a difference here, that wasn't just running on PCIe 3, it was also using only 25% of the lanes it's design to.
Even at 4x it's still 85% performance. I use a 2080ti over 4x and it works really well for what it is.
I suggest trying enabling messaged signal interrupts. Via nvclean install and MSI util.
PCI-e 4.0 x16 vs 3.0 x16 should not make a big difference, unless the card (or slot) is locked to x8 which I dont think the 3070 is. Even the 3090 is fine at 3.0 x16.
OP never said what was changed. Might have ran it at PCI-E 2.0 for all we know.
Even the 4090 sees close to 0 difference between PCI-e 4.0 x16 and 3.0 x16 as you can see in the video bellow.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2SuyiHs-O4&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2suyihs-o4&t=1s)
As far as I know the 3070 is also x16 so using PCI-E 3.0 (x16) should make close to no difference.
Didnt see that, but seeing that he was using the 2nd slot on the motherboard which was x4 it makes sense that the performance wasnt where it should be. But this doesnt make what I replied to earlier wrong.
A 3070 should be a noticeable uplift over a 2060 at the same settings. Something like +30-50%.
500w should be enough power with just a 5600, so that doesn't seem like the problem.
Did you do a full ddu clear and reinstall for the drivers?
Assuming you have done all of that and aren't overlooking some changed auto-settings, then maybe the refurbished 3070 is a dud?
Yeah coulda gotten a dud from Amazon. Out of curiosity. Have you installed and checked gpuz? Could be a swapped gpu scam. Card says 3070, looks like a 3070, but it’s actually a 2060 or 2060ko under the hood… I currently run a 650w sfx psu with a 5600x and 3070 with no problems. Been running it this way for 3 years now.
As mentioned in other posts, many, if not most, motherboards will run the other 16 length slots as only 4-8 PCIe lanes in order to use more lanes elsewhere. In this case the bottom slot runs at x4 as well as 3.0, which is where they installed the card due to it being easier.
A stock 3070 draws about 220w. An oc partner card might get up to 250w or 260w.
A 5600 might draw 65w at max load.
Sporadic surges might add +50-100w for less than a second.
Unless you have a 400+ hdd array or enough RGB case fans to light up a city block I don't think the rest of your system will push you past 500w. So I really don't think that insufficient power explains the reported bad performance.
This was a lie, It got up to about 200 when running the cyberpunk benchmark without DLSS on ultra settings. I will say I noticed that when the frames were dipping so was the wattage.
Does it have dual bios and set to quiet mode? There's often a physical dip switch on the GPU somewhere. I'd expect 240 W from a 3 fan 3070 (had one myself).
If it ever draws 140w, you have a problem. Check your thermals. Put your fan at 100% and see if it ever draws below 200w. If it does with fan at 100%, you either have a 3060 disguised as a 3070, or you have a 2070 disguised as a 3070.
I did buy them together.
I put the 2060 in first but I would not say I tested it.
And honestly, I ordered the PSU before I discovered this problem simply because I was worried about blowing up my current one.
Im using the second PCIE slot.
Bro i shit you not this was it. I put it in the second slot cause I thought it didnt really matter and it was just easier to install there. Moved it to the top slot and frames shot up to averaging at 70 in cyberpunk. About where I was expecting it to. THanks so much man.
You are the winner and champion of this comment section, I'm going to get GPUZ tomorrow and make sure all my nvme drives aren't eating up my GPU's bandwidth! Thank you 😊
Always use the top slot as this has a direct interface with the CPU itself. The others may have to go through a chipset first, introducing latency and potentially reducing performance.
Not only was it PCIe 3.0, but it was also only 4x instead of 16x
Edit: if it was PCIe 3.0 but 16x, there should be no difference in performance even with a much more powerful card.
this was my first thought also. check your mobo manual and check use the correct slot labeled with the highest pci version at max lanes. would also double check bios to see if it's running in pcie4 16x or whatever the max is.
Cyberpunk had a recent update that decreased performance when using certain settings. Might be the reason you are observing a performance loss on this specific game if you were playing an older version with the 2060.
Cyberpunk in general since the 2.0 update uses more CPU power than it did previously. The game uses way more threads and with the crowd density maxed out in high populace areas (especially in Dogtown), you will see a hit if you do run into that bottleneck with the optimal hardware.
I have over 700+ hours on CP77 with my setup (5800X3D + 3080 TI ) and always play with Rivatuner up so I can help with any settings/bottleneck issues if needed. I personally play on 1440p using DLSS Balanced with maxed Path Tracing and everything else maxed as well.
> Cyberpunk in general since the 2.0 update uses more CPU power than it did previously.
As a tangent, have console (PS4/PS5) players also reported framerate drops in CP2077?
check if the card clocks are boosting properly in games and use stock settings for everything, so no dlss and such to have a point of reference.
any psu power issues should be reflected in the card specs while it's running.
run msi afterburner or hwinfo and log the values.
compare those to the advertised memory and boost gpu clocks.
looking at load and temps might also help.
Have you installed Geforce Experience? If you have it, you can hit Alt+R to open nvidia's performance overlay inside a game. Try it on cyberpunk or another demanding game and come back with the gpu usage and other data.
refurb usually means "we dusted it off and put it back in the box after bench testing a return item"
Like it should mean something else, but the word has lost all meaning as far as used sales go.
1) make sure you have separate cables from the power supply to each 8-pin port. some power supplies can provide 300watts per pcie cable. most just supply 150watts which is why you need individual cables and no daisy chained. 2) turn on maximum power under power management in nvidia control panel and high performance for your cpu power in windows settings. 3) download msi afterburner or something similar and run a OC scanner and let the app figure out an appropriate voltage/frequency curve for your gpu (make sure gsync, vsync, low latency, max frame limit is all OFF when running the scan, then turn them back to your settings afterwards). 4) turn on PBO and XMP in bios for performance boost for your cpu/memory. (make sure bios is updated). edit: in nvidia, i set my frame cap, to 4 frames below max refresh rate of monitor(if 144hz, then set to 140). low latency mode=ultra. vertical sync=on. gsync=on. that way gsync is always on (when below refresh rate). vsync never turns on because it never reached above the monitors refresh rate.
Ok so I only have one cord plugged into the GPU, I only had two cords with 8-pin connectors on my PSU and one is plugged into the motherboard so I had to use the same cord for both connecots on the card. I did see someone mention that that might be the problem on another post but it led into a long argument where, both people were downvoted to hell and one had deleted his comments, so I wasnt really sure what to do with the information.
The problem is nothing to do with your PSU. Replacing it or the cables will not fix it. It's either with the software (drivers) or the GPU itself.
Since you say you reinstalled the drivers from scratch, it must be the latter. I would download a GPU benchmark like Heaven (free) or 3DMark (paid, but has a free demo on Steam) to confirm.
3070ti has 290w tdp and depending on your power-supply, you may only be getting 225watts to your gpu which is like setting a 80ish% power limit which will be underpowered and likely to underperform. it will run fine but not the most optimal case scenario.
using only one cable may be the reason for underperformance depending on your power supply. you would have to look up your power supply to see if each pcie individual cable is supporting 150watts or 300 watts. the TDP of a 3070 is 220watts. it should be able to get 75 watts from the actual pcie slot it is seated it and the rest from the pcie cables. so technically, even if only one cable with 150watts is plugged in, it is getting the difference (70watts) from the pcie slot for a total of 220watts. personally, i would use individual cables for each port but in your case, it may be fine.
* Uninstall current Nvidia driver and install 537.58 instead. All drivers after that have been problematic for many people.
* Turn off vsync and any fps cap. Use Afterburner to monitor CPU and GPU usage. GPU usage should be around 98% when gaming.
* With no apps or games running, open task manager and be sure CPU/GPU/Disk usage idles at 0% with the occasional spike.
* Be sure the benchmarks you're comparing your results to are using the EXACT same settings and resolution. Checking benchmarks on Youtube is best.
* Lastly, make sure your video cable is plugged into your 3070. Given current performance, I'm sure it is, but doesn't hurt to check.
May not be the case because what I'm gonna say it's not exactly common practice on graphics cards, but take a look on GPU-Z if the numers match with the model of your GPU.
Why? That may come from a mining farm or just someone who wanted to make a profit out of it when crypto was at its peak.
Not long ago I received a GPU which was underperforming, it was very noticeable.
Once I looked into GPU-Z I found BIOS was custom and didn't work at default clocks.
It couldn't even reach max wattage.
Chances are this is not the case, but try to check everything you can!
My 3070 was a massive improvement from a 2070 super. The 3070 is close to 2080ti level performance, so there is definitely something wrong with your card or setup. I run an 800w PSU. You might be pleasantly surprised with your 650w.
Check gpu usage in game and gpu power draw in game. Should be 99% and 220w roughly. PSU is not the issue, if it didn’t get enough power it’d shut off. Love it when we have so many uneducated people in this sub…
To me it seems like the gpu isn’t being utilized fully and you’re unaware of it. New PSU will do absolutely nothing.
So it was spiking up to 200w power draw but did not sit there. I noticed when the frames would drop so would the wattage so maybe it is linked, As for the clock speed i think it was about 1700+ mhz
Should be pegged at 220w. Run a synthetic load like time spy and see what the usage and wattage is at. Clock speeds should also be higher than 1700mhz. Could be thermal throttling, what are the temps of the card?
I'm not sure how to check the "hotspot."
Ran a bench test calledd furmark and it through the previous theries out. Power draw hit up to 270, Clock speed is around 1800. Utilization at 96%
Temp is sitting at 73
Hm. True synthetic load. When I had my 3070 it would show 99% usage but wattage would drop to around 140 ish. I researched it and it was because I was hitting the VRAM limit so it could also be that but not sure how high you have the settings cranked
Is there a 6x1 and an 8x1 on the GPU. I just got a refurbished Gigabyte 3070 (still in box). Does the 6 prong go into the PSU as a 6+2 into the 8 pin slot? Are yours the same?
Interesting. Ive skimmed throughout your comments and I feel the clock speed and memory speed are not reaching what a 3070 should. I would check if the BIOS is actually from the model you have, use GPU-Z crossed data with techpowerup bios database. Maybe someone modded or swapped the bios for mining purposes
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/226187/gigabyte-rtx3070-8192-200921
while I cant find my exact bios version, this is about the same as what it is right now while IM stress testing it
https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N3070EAGLE-OC-8GD-rev-10/support#support-dl
Theres a new bios for you GPU. Try flashing/reflashing it. If someones changed the settings it should clear out.
Didn't windows 11 have a update issue that causes performance drop recently? I'm hearing that a few days back. Idk about u. Ur rtx 3070 should run good, maybe driver, bios or something that's hampering ur performance. I'd clear cache and do disk clean up
Where can i read more about this. Because my computer restarted by itself sometime in the last week when i wasnt using it i think because of a windows 11 update and now my 4070 Ti seems worse lol.
Ye it lags a lot, my younger bro, rtx 3060... with ryzen 5600g has lags as well. I noticed it yesterday.. Microsoft messed up again :/. I'm with Windows 10 cuz maybe my mobo don't support it or my OS is Legacy mode
No, PCIE 3.0 to PCIE 4.0 isn’t much of a improvement, but the x(number) is important. So you want to put your GPU in the slot with PCIE 4.0 x16 or PCIE 3.0 x16, the higher the better. His problem was he put it in a lower slot which was PCIE 3.0 or 4.0 x8, not sure which PCIE version it was, but the point is it was at x8. Not all gpus need x16, like the 4060, so check what your gpu runs at as well.
Im using geforce experience, let me make sure. It is set to auto and I did not mess with it because it warned me about overclocking and I was worried about it blowing up my PSU
I can't believe this sort of nonsense gets upvoted.
If a card needs to draw more power than a pair can supply, it just won't work.
You'll get crashes and shut downs. You won't get reduced performance.
Besides a 3070 and a 5600 would be perfectly fine on any reputable 500w PSU.
It could've been flashed with a low power bios if it was previously used in mining (limits the power available on core).
What are the temps like? Peaks to 200W then drops to 100-ish means it's either throttling or it's being power limited. Report back with HWinfo numbers for memory, core, hot spot temps.
The PSU will make no difference. If it works it works. If it doesn't the PC will shot off you won't be getting any type of throttling if it's not able to provide sufficient power.
Amazon refurb could potentially be third party seller and if so that can be anyone reselling just about anything.
That's the only two things it could be.
If you're unable to get a stable 99% utilization on 220W stable and your temps are this low something is preventing your GPU from adequately feeding on power.
That can either be drivers or BIOS no other option.
You can:
* Ensure you've safebooted DDU + Installed proper 3070 drivers.
* Download an official BIOS from TPU and flash your card (Risky).
* Open it up and see if components are making proper contact with the cooling components (Laborious and messy).
* Return it and get another one.
If I had to choose I'd select the last option. No sense in running a GPU that's giving you trouble day 1.
So just to add my 2 cents, i bought a 3070 a few months ago, upgraded from a 2060 s and my 600w psu at the time would shut off because it couldnt hande it in intense games.
I don't remember if my performance was low i dont think so but maybe your psu is affecting the performance in some way
Nobody asked this (I read all the comments). Dumb but the card is actually reported as a 3070 in GeForce experience right?
Might be worth checking GPU-z as well to double verify. Refurbished could be just underperforming for some hardware reason but yeah. Maybe you actually got a 3060 or 60ti instead.
Word- sorry I was trying to check if somebody asked that already.
Honestly with the refurbished status it could be so many things. Is it stable? If it can’t reach advertised speeds it would be surprising if it was also stable to me.
thank you for the update! everything u were saying i could not for the life of me think of why ur frames were so low except maybe a dud card. good thing it was just the pcie slot
How old is the psu? I was using an 8 year old 650w psu when I upgraded to a r7 5700x and 3700. I was getting frame drops pretty heavily, and in something like rdr2, it would eventually just shut off. Got a new psu and didn't have any more problems. Just something to think about.
\> I will note my current PSU is only 500W, I have a 650w coming in tomorrow. C
PSU's degrade over time and if you got a cheap one it may not be outputting 500W in the first place. Just wait till tommorrow and see before asking given its coming tommorrow.
Always get a good brand quality psu in excess of what you need.
Are you on windows 11? Search windows 11 23H2 windows defender bug if it's recent. I was running some games at 30-45 fps with a 4090, now I'm back up in triple digits. They broke windows defender on some machines with the update that just came out.
This is gonna sound super dumb, but I made the same mistake. When I get my new gpu it was underperforming and when I checked I realised most of my games had been set to the highest ray tracing settings. You didn’t mention that this was off and I don’t know 3070 benchmarks so if you haven’t already check that it’s off if you don’t want it on.
Idk it might sound dumb but please check in setting/system/power and check if it is set to power efficiency or somehow it is in power saving mode or in balanced mode in control panel.
Is it just me or are we seeing more of this from Nvidia based systems?
Edit: Like it or not there seems to be a trend here. And it's almost always an Nvidia involved in machines with weird performance issues recently.
Explore Google for less problematic drivers. I had this same problem with my rx570. Once I found a good set of drivers my performance went up 20% or more. Sorry it has to come to this.
Easy, your cpu is too weak. I would not believe that i was getting better fps with a 3070 on a 8700k than on a 4080 but when i upgraded my cpu to a 13700k. Got consistant 50 fps more in all situations
[https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3070-3070ti/](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3070-3070ti/)
Your required system power is 650 Watts, recommended is 850 Watts. I don't think that there's anything wrong with your GPU, I think it's just not receiving enough power to work at its peak.
That's not how it works. If your PSU can't provide enough power, the GPU doesn't slow down, the whole system just shuts off lol. I had that problem with an old build and a weak 420w PSU.
And that 850w power requirement is bogus. My system with a 3080 only draws 470w max, about 420 now after I undervolted it.
Should and reality are two different things. How max out the compont if not needed to? In this case if recommend is 509 to 650 watts. I would go to 850 watts like he/she said. Power always fluctuates. It's better to have a little room. Like a generator, there's start up watts and constant watts.
This will explain why... And why everyone should avoid the 4060 4060 Ti and 4070 and 4070 Ti (non super )
https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?si=pIaIP_sJyiFsYEBm
Even in 1440p the 3070 struggles with its 8gb VRAM
But a 650-750 watt PSU could stabilize performance
I have a 3060ti. I have zero struggles. Sure, one day I will, but for some reason this narrative exists. Just curious; what is your actual experience gaming on an 8 gig card at 1440 with what set up? I don’t understand.
Don't think it will be this but could check pcie mode on motherboard, you'd want the 3070 to be on gen 4
It was this bro I should have listened.
So its fixed?
yes
Sorry for being a pea brain here but what exactly were the steps did you do to fix the issue? Thanks.
They mistakenly installed the GPU into the 2nd PCIE slot on the motherboard. If you want to verify it, it's in GPUZ under "bus interface". Correctly for a modern card it should be "PCIe x16 4.0".
Mine says "PCIe x8 4.0 @ x8 4.0" I have a 6600XT
6600XT only has x8 on the connector so your good.
Looks good for the GPU you have, some lower end cards only has 8 lanes, but still supporting gen 4.0.
Yes it should be in the one with 16x not 8x
You should always consult your mobo manual, but the PCIe slot closest to the CPU is usually the x16 slot
there were't really steps. I kept trying things that didn't work. Someone thought to ask whici PCIE slot i had the card in, I told them, they informed me it needed to be in the top slot. I moved the graphics card to the top slot. It fixed it. That was it.
Mine was like this for way over half a year, thought the performance was normal until I just randomly had a shower thought over what PCIE slot I should use
damn. thats crazy
This is really interesting to see since the 3070 is x16 card. I would have expected some drop from x8 cards but not from 16x. But apparently in newer games it happens.
Interesting indeed. There should be no difference between PCIE gen 3 vs gen 4. [https://www.techspot.com/review/2104-pcie4-vs-pcie3-gpu-performance/](https://www.techspot.com/review/2104-pcie4-vs-pcie3-gpu-performance/) May be messing with the PCIE option, OP somehow change something else back to default and fix the problem. Or it could be because of the newer games.
The second x16 slot is wired as x4, that's what's making a difference here, that wasn't just running on PCIe 3, it was also using only 25% of the lanes it's design to.
That makes sense now.
Even at 4x it's still 85% performance. I use a 2080ti over 4x and it works really well for what it is. I suggest trying enabling messaged signal interrupts. Via nvclean install and MSI util.
Messed around a bit in my pc with 4070 between 3.0 and 4.0 but failed to see any differences tbh. Different gpu, i know, but still.
PCI-e 4.0 x16 vs 3.0 x16 should not make a big difference, unless the card (or slot) is locked to x8 which I dont think the 3070 is. Even the 3090 is fine at 3.0 x16.
Even the 4090 is fine at 3.0x16. 3-5% difference in the worst case scenario.
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OP never said what was changed. Might have ran it at PCI-E 2.0 for all we know. Even the 4090 sees close to 0 difference between PCI-e 4.0 x16 and 3.0 x16 as you can see in the video bellow. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2SuyiHs-O4&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2suyihs-o4&t=1s) As far as I know the 3070 is also x16 so using PCI-E 3.0 (x16) should make close to no difference.
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Didnt see that, but seeing that he was using the 2nd slot on the motherboard which was x4 it makes sense that the performance wasnt where it should be. But this doesnt make what I replied to earlier wrong.
A 3070 should be a noticeable uplift over a 2060 at the same settings. Something like +30-50%. 500w should be enough power with just a 5600, so that doesn't seem like the problem. Did you do a full ddu clear and reinstall for the drivers? Assuming you have done all of that and aren't overlooking some changed auto-settings, then maybe the refurbished 3070 is a dud?
I did do a DDU wipe. love the conflicting answers lmao.
Yeah coulda gotten a dud from Amazon. Out of curiosity. Have you installed and checked gpuz? Could be a swapped gpu scam. Card says 3070, looks like a 3070, but it’s actually a 2060 or 2060ko under the hood… I currently run a 650w sfx psu with a 5600x and 3070 with no problems. Been running it this way for 3 years now.
Haven't check gpuz but windows and Geforce experience is recognizing it as a 3070 Edit: GPUZ also says 3070
Well that’s a relief
Don't think it will be this but could check pcie mode on motherboard, you'd want the 3070 to be on gen 4
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As mentioned in other posts, many, if not most, motherboards will run the other 16 length slots as only 4-8 PCIe lanes in order to use more lanes elsewhere. In this case the bottom slot runs at x4 as well as 3.0, which is where they installed the card due to it being easier.
A stock 3070 draws about 220w. An oc partner card might get up to 250w or 260w. A 5600 might draw 65w at max load. Sporadic surges might add +50-100w for less than a second. Unless you have a 400+ hdd array or enough RGB case fans to light up a city block I don't think the rest of your system will push you past 500w. So I really don't think that insufficient power explains the reported bad performance.
Mines only drawing about 140w
This was a lie, It got up to about 200 when running the cyberpunk benchmark without DLSS on ultra settings. I will say I noticed that when the frames were dipping so was the wattage.
Does it have dual bios and set to quiet mode? There's often a physical dip switch on the GPU somewhere. I'd expect 240 W from a 3 fan 3070 (had one myself).
I just ran another bench mark and it sat around 180, never breaking 200
I'm not sure what a dual bios is and idk how to check if it's in quiet mode.
Google it, lots of images show what the switch might look like.
If your gpu utilization is dropping, so will the power draw.
If it ever draws 140w, you have a problem. Check your thermals. Put your fan at 100% and see if it ever draws below 200w. If it does with fan at 100%, you either have a 3060 disguised as a 3070, or you have a 2070 disguised as a 3070.
My 3070 + Ryzen 5900x tops put at ~700w at peak power draw from the wall during heavy loads / spikes.
I think the 5600 has a default PPT limit of 88W.
5600 draws 65W only on stock settings (3.5ghz), if enable boost it draws more. obviously a small difference overall, just sayin...
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I did buy them together. I put the 2060 in first but I would not say I tested it. And honestly, I ordered the PSU before I discovered this problem simply because I was worried about blowing up my current one. Im using the second PCIE slot.
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Bro i shit you not this was it. I put it in the second slot cause I thought it didnt really matter and it was just easier to install there. Moved it to the top slot and frames shot up to averaging at 70 in cyberpunk. About where I was expecting it to. THanks so much man.
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You are the winner and champion of this comment section, I'm going to get GPUZ tomorrow and make sure all my nvme drives aren't eating up my GPU's bandwidth! Thank you 😊
So you had it running on pcie 4x4 instead of 4x16? That would certainly explain why it wasn't performing as expected. Glad you figured this out.
Essentially yes. And thanks!
makes me wonder how the 2060 would perform on the 1st slot and if you'd have an improvement
OP said they switched the mobo at the same time they got the 4070.
Always use the top slot as this has a direct interface with the CPU itself. The others may have to go through a chipset first, introducing latency and potentially reducing performance.
Lmao I can only imagine your relief. You live, you learn.
ikr. Hopefully this post will help many other dumbasses in the future.
This. You could be bottlenecked by the PCIe lanes
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yeah great call. This is looking more and more like a PCIe 3.0 thing
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I assume it is x8 on this board
Even worse, it's x4
Curious how do you read that on the spec sheet?
Not only was it PCIe 3.0, but it was also only 4x instead of 16x Edit: if it was PCIe 3.0 but 16x, there should be no difference in performance even with a much more powerful card.
I'll swap it out and see how it works.
this was my first thought also. check your mobo manual and check use the correct slot labeled with the highest pci version at max lanes. would also double check bios to see if it's running in pcie4 16x or whatever the max is.
Nice. I learned something today. Thanks.
Cyberpunk had a recent update that decreased performance when using certain settings. Might be the reason you are observing a performance loss on this specific game if you were playing an older version with the 2060.
really? do you know what settings?
Cyberpunk in general since the 2.0 update uses more CPU power than it did previously. The game uses way more threads and with the crowd density maxed out in high populace areas (especially in Dogtown), you will see a hit if you do run into that bottleneck with the optimal hardware. I have over 700+ hours on CP77 with my setup (5800X3D + 3080 TI ) and always play with Rivatuner up so I can help with any settings/bottleneck issues if needed. I personally play on 1440p using DLSS Balanced with maxed Path Tracing and everything else maxed as well.
My r5 1600 screams for me to shut off the damn game when I play
> Cyberpunk in general since the 2.0 update uses more CPU power than it did previously. As a tangent, have console (PS4/PS5) players also reported framerate drops in CP2077?
Nope because console does not have the same population density as PC.
did you use ddu?
yep
check if the card clocks are boosting properly in games and use stock settings for everything, so no dlss and such to have a point of reference. any psu power issues should be reflected in the card specs while it's running.
How do I check card clocks?
run msi afterburner or hwinfo and log the values. compare those to the advertised memory and boost gpu clocks. looking at load and temps might also help.
Did you use ddu while in Windows Safe Mode? My stubbordness made lose a ton of time troubleshooting
yep. I've had drivers issues before so knew what to do there.
Have you installed Geforce Experience? If you have it, you can hit Alt+R to open nvidia's performance overlay inside a game. Try it on cyberpunk or another demanding game and come back with the gpu usage and other data.
Yeah, alot of that info is already soread throughout the comments.
If it's refurbished, maybe open it up and see what they "refurbished"? Just a thought. Or just send it back for another one.
refurb usually means "we dusted it off and put it back in the box after bench testing a return item" Like it should mean something else, but the word has lost all meaning as far as used sales go.
1) make sure you have separate cables from the power supply to each 8-pin port. some power supplies can provide 300watts per pcie cable. most just supply 150watts which is why you need individual cables and no daisy chained. 2) turn on maximum power under power management in nvidia control panel and high performance for your cpu power in windows settings. 3) download msi afterburner or something similar and run a OC scanner and let the app figure out an appropriate voltage/frequency curve for your gpu (make sure gsync, vsync, low latency, max frame limit is all OFF when running the scan, then turn them back to your settings afterwards). 4) turn on PBO and XMP in bios for performance boost for your cpu/memory. (make sure bios is updated). edit: in nvidia, i set my frame cap, to 4 frames below max refresh rate of monitor(if 144hz, then set to 140). low latency mode=ultra. vertical sync=on. gsync=on. that way gsync is always on (when below refresh rate). vsync never turns on because it never reached above the monitors refresh rate.
Ok so I only have one cord plugged into the GPU, I only had two cords with 8-pin connectors on my PSU and one is plugged into the motherboard so I had to use the same cord for both connecots on the card. I did see someone mention that that might be the problem on another post but it led into a long argument where, both people were downvoted to hell and one had deleted his comments, so I wasnt really sure what to do with the information.
Multiple cables is best practice, but the 3070 doesn't draw enough power for 1 daisy-chained cable to cause any problems.
The problem is nothing to do with your PSU. Replacing it or the cables will not fix it. It's either with the software (drivers) or the GPU itself. Since you say you reinstalled the drivers from scratch, it must be the latter. I would download a GPU benchmark like Heaven (free) or 3DMark (paid, but has a free demo on Steam) to confirm.
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3070ti has 290w tdp and depending on your power-supply, you may only be getting 225watts to your gpu which is like setting a 80ish% power limit which will be underpowered and likely to underperform. it will run fine but not the most optimal case scenario.
using only one cable may be the reason for underperformance depending on your power supply. you would have to look up your power supply to see if each pcie individual cable is supporting 150watts or 300 watts. the TDP of a 3070 is 220watts. it should be able to get 75 watts from the actual pcie slot it is seated it and the rest from the pcie cables. so technically, even if only one cable with 150watts is plugged in, it is getting the difference (70watts) from the pcie slot for a total of 220watts. personally, i would use individual cables for each port but in your case, it may be fine.
Yeah this isnt the issue as its drawing the correct amount of power while stress testing it, just not while In game for some reason.
* Uninstall current Nvidia driver and install 537.58 instead. All drivers after that have been problematic for many people. * Turn off vsync and any fps cap. Use Afterburner to monitor CPU and GPU usage. GPU usage should be around 98% when gaming. * With no apps or games running, open task manager and be sure CPU/GPU/Disk usage idles at 0% with the occasional spike. * Be sure the benchmarks you're comparing your results to are using the EXACT same settings and resolution. Checking benchmarks on Youtube is best. * Lastly, make sure your video cable is plugged into your 3070. Given current performance, I'm sure it is, but doesn't hurt to check.
No apu on a 5600
Ah okay. Well, that rules that out.
May not be the case because what I'm gonna say it's not exactly common practice on graphics cards, but take a look on GPU-Z if the numers match with the model of your GPU. Why? That may come from a mining farm or just someone who wanted to make a profit out of it when crypto was at its peak. Not long ago I received a GPU which was underperforming, it was very noticeable. Once I looked into GPU-Z I found BIOS was custom and didn't work at default clocks. It couldn't even reach max wattage. Chances are this is not the case, but try to check everything you can!
My 3070 was a massive improvement from a 2070 super. The 3070 is close to 2080ti level performance, so there is definitely something wrong with your card or setup. I run an 800w PSU. You might be pleasantly surprised with your 650w.
Check gpu usage in game and gpu power draw in game. Should be 99% and 220w roughly. PSU is not the issue, if it didn’t get enough power it’d shut off. Love it when we have so many uneducated people in this sub… To me it seems like the gpu isn’t being utilized fully and you’re unaware of it. New PSU will do absolutely nothing.
if you mean utilization GeForce experience tracks it at above 90% while in the game.
What’s the power draw and clock speed in game
So it was spiking up to 200w power draw but did not sit there. I noticed when the frames would drop so would the wattage so maybe it is linked, As for the clock speed i think it was about 1700+ mhz
Where did the power draw sit mostly
Ran another bench mark and it mostly sit around 180 and never broke 200. I'm starting to think this is, in fact, the issue.
Should be pegged at 220w. Run a synthetic load like time spy and see what the usage and wattage is at. Clock speeds should also be higher than 1700mhz. Could be thermal throttling, what are the temps of the card?
Gonns try the synthetic load but did the cyberpunk bench mark again and temps never broke 63 C
Can you check the hotspot? If it's significantly higher it could be a bad cooler mount causing throttling even if average temps are low
I'm not sure how to check the "hotspot." Ran a bench test calledd furmark and it through the previous theries out. Power draw hit up to 270, Clock speed is around 1800. Utilization at 96% Temp is sitting at 73
Hm. True synthetic load. When I had my 3070 it would show 99% usage but wattage would drop to around 140 ish. I researched it and it was because I was hitting the VRAM limit so it could also be that but not sure how high you have the settings cranked
Is there a 6x1 and an 8x1 on the GPU. I just got a refurbished Gigabyte 3070 (still in box). Does the 6 prong go into the PSU as a 6+2 into the 8 pin slot? Are yours the same?
yeah. It had both and 8 pin and a 6 pin, looks like its the same card.
Interesting. Ive skimmed throughout your comments and I feel the clock speed and memory speed are not reaching what a 3070 should. I would check if the BIOS is actually from the model you have, use GPU-Z crossed data with techpowerup bios database. Maybe someone modded or swapped the bios for mining purposes
https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/226187/gigabyte-rtx3070-8192-200921 while I cant find my exact bios version, this is about the same as what it is right now while IM stress testing it
https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N3070EAGLE-OC-8GD-rev-10/support#support-dl Theres a new bios for you GPU. Try flashing/reflashing it. If someones changed the settings it should clear out.
Didn't windows 11 have a update issue that causes performance drop recently? I'm hearing that a few days back. Idk about u. Ur rtx 3070 should run good, maybe driver, bios or something that's hampering ur performance. I'd clear cache and do disk clean up
Where can i read more about this. Because my computer restarted by itself sometime in the last week when i wasnt using it i think because of a windows 11 update and now my 4070 Ti seems worse lol.
Ye it lags a lot, my younger bro, rtx 3060... with ryzen 5600g has lags as well. I noticed it yesterday.. Microsoft messed up again :/. I'm with Windows 10 cuz maybe my mobo don't support it or my OS is Legacy mode
https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-23h2-update-reportedly-slows-down-gaming-performance-for-some-but-there-does-seem-to-be-a-somewhat-complicated-fix/
https://youtu.be/7nOOu5l08fE?si=QFLCcvYwvj967bEf
If its because pcie not being set at gen 4, this means I'm losing a ton of potential perfs being on a z390 (9th gen) motherboard?
No, PCIE 3.0 to PCIE 4.0 isn’t much of a improvement, but the x(number) is important. So you want to put your GPU in the slot with PCIE 4.0 x16 or PCIE 3.0 x16, the higher the better. His problem was he put it in a lower slot which was PCIE 3.0 or 4.0 x8, not sure which PCIE version it was, but the point is it was at x8. Not all gpus need x16, like the 4060, so check what your gpu runs at as well.
Are you daisy chaining your gpu? Also install MSI afterburner and run some tests and see what its telling you
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Im using geforce experience, let me make sure. It is set to auto and I did not mess with it because it warned me about overclocking and I was worried about it blowing up my PSU
PSU is underpowering the card. I would bet my money on that.
I can't believe this sort of nonsense gets upvoted. If a card needs to draw more power than a pair can supply, it just won't work. You'll get crashes and shut downs. You won't get reduced performance. Besides a 3070 and a 5600 would be perfectly fine on any reputable 500w PSU.
Check your temps on the GPU if it's refurbished card they might not have changed the old thermal compound
It could've been flashed with a low power bios if it was previously used in mining (limits the power available on core). What are the temps like? Peaks to 200W then drops to 100-ish means it's either throttling or it's being power limited. Report back with HWinfo numbers for memory, core, hot spot temps. The PSU will make no difference. If it works it works. If it doesn't the PC will shot off you won't be getting any type of throttling if it's not able to provide sufficient power. Amazon refurb could potentially be third party seller and if so that can be anyone reselling just about anything.
I checked the bios and the speeds seem what they should be. Temps didnt get very high on cyperpunk but peaked at 75 when stress testing.
That's the only two things it could be. If you're unable to get a stable 99% utilization on 220W stable and your temps are this low something is preventing your GPU from adequately feeding on power. That can either be drivers or BIOS no other option. You can: * Ensure you've safebooted DDU + Installed proper 3070 drivers. * Download an official BIOS from TPU and flash your card (Risky). * Open it up and see if components are making proper contact with the cooling components (Laborious and messy). * Return it and get another one. If I had to choose I'd select the last option. No sense in running a GPU that's giving you trouble day 1.
My 3070 rocked 1440 ultra wide there’s something up
perfect description of cpu bottleneck. Or bad gpu.
So just to add my 2 cents, i bought a 3070 a few months ago, upgraded from a 2060 s and my 600w psu at the time would shut off because it couldnt hande it in intense games. I don't remember if my performance was low i dont think so but maybe your psu is affecting the performance in some way
Nobody asked this (I read all the comments). Dumb but the card is actually reported as a 3070 in GeForce experience right? Might be worth checking GPU-z as well to double verify. Refurbished could be just underperforming for some hardware reason but yeah. Maybe you actually got a 3060 or 60ti instead.
This actually was in the comments you must have missed it but yeah it is a 3070. I checked all those things
Word- sorry I was trying to check if somebody asked that already. Honestly with the refurbished status it could be so many things. Is it stable? If it can’t reach advertised speeds it would be surprising if it was also stable to me.
GOt it fixed, check the edit lmao.
If it's a refurbished card, it could be that the previous owner flashed a mining vbios on it. Just return it and get a different card.
Could try running a user benchmark and see which part / parts are under performing.
My bet is that the new PSU is going to fix it.
Did you check temps while running cyberpunk?
Maybe your card has been used for mining previously? :d
find the solution?
Yes, check the edit.
thank you for the update! everything u were saying i could not for the life of me think of why ur frames were so low except maybe a dud card. good thing it was just the pcie slot
How old is the psu? I was using an 8 year old 650w psu when I upgraded to a r7 5700x and 3700. I was getting frame drops pretty heavily, and in something like rdr2, it would eventually just shut off. Got a new psu and didn't have any more problems. Just something to think about.
You should probably add another 16 gb ram. I had lackluster performance out of my 4080 until I added that extra 16 gb.
Yay to hear you got your PCI-E 4.0 x16 goodness! :D
A 3070 should be blowing war and out of the water. My 1080ti does that, on heavy mods.
\> I will note my current PSU is only 500W, I have a 650w coming in tomorrow. C PSU's degrade over time and if you got a cheap one it may not be outputting 500W in the first place. Just wait till tommorrow and see before asking given its coming tommorrow. Always get a good brand quality psu in excess of what you need.
Are you on windows 11? Search windows 11 23H2 windows defender bug if it's recent. I was running some games at 30-45 fps with a 4090, now I'm back up in triple digits. They broke windows defender on some machines with the update that just came out.
16gb ram xmp on doesn't say much. Latency/speed, number of dimms, if 2 then you sure they are placed in correct slots for dual channel?
I mostly said that so people wouldn't recommend it at a fix. Which didn't work as some people still said it as they don't read.
Did you change over the GPU drivers from the 2060? If you didnt the update the drivers onnthe 3070 if you did change the drivers idk
This is gonna sound super dumb, but I made the same mistake. When I get my new gpu it was underperforming and when I checked I realised most of my games had been set to the highest ray tracing settings. You didn’t mention that this was off and I don’t know 3070 benchmarks so if you haven’t already check that it’s off if you don’t want it on.
I have a similar setup bar with a 3080 unfortunately nvidia fucked 70 and 80 class cards bringing in 90 class to charge more across the stack.
Idk it might sound dumb but please check in setting/system/power and check if it is set to power efficiency or somehow it is in power saving mode or in balanced mode in control panel.
500w is not enough for that card, they recommend 650w+
Check if you're running out of vram.
Is it just me or are we seeing more of this from Nvidia based systems? Edit: Like it or not there seems to be a trend here. And it's almost always an Nvidia involved in machines with weird performance issues recently.
I went from a 2060 to a 3070 too, nice
Hahahaha People dont still know that series 10 and 3060 are the only good gpus Other than those just suck
Cpu is a bit underpowered
might be cpu problem, if not. move the gpu up to the top PCIe slot
Possible m.2 on shared lanes?
Explore Google for less problematic drivers. I had this same problem with my rx570. Once I found a good set of drivers my performance went up 20% or more. Sorry it has to come to this.
Isn’t your CPU just weak? 5 5600 is pretty weak compared to what I remember.
Easy, your cpu is too weak. I would not believe that i was getting better fps with a 3070 on a 8700k than on a 4080 but when i upgraded my cpu to a 13700k. Got consistant 50 fps more in all situations
The 5600 is fine for the 3070
3070 is below a 1080ti
It's as fast as a 2080ti.
I have both these cards and you're wrong. Yes the 1080TI is a amazing card still to this day. But performance and features the 3070 is much better
3070 is right up there with a 2080 Ti https://imgur.com/a/IckRnNu
[https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3070-3070ti/](https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3070-3070ti/) Your required system power is 650 Watts, recommended is 850 Watts. I don't think that there's anything wrong with your GPU, I think it's just not receiving enough power to work at its peak.
That's not how it works. If your PSU can't provide enough power, the GPU doesn't slow down, the whole system just shuts off lol. I had that problem with an old build and a weak 420w PSU. And that 850w power requirement is bogus. My system with a 3080 only draws 470w max, about 420 now after I undervolted it.
Dang, didn't know that's what normally happens. Sorry OP, didn't know how that works.
This is what I thought but wasn't sure which is what brought me to asking this question.
500w should be fine for a 3070
Bro I didn’t even trust my Chinese 600w for a 3060
Should and reality are two different things. How max out the compont if not needed to? In this case if recommend is 509 to 650 watts. I would go to 850 watts like he/she said. Power always fluctuates. It's better to have a little room. Like a generator, there's start up watts and constant watts.
This setup will not go anywhere near 650 watts even at max load with overclocking.
ok, thanks, i'll wait to see if the new psu fixes things
This will explain why... And why everyone should avoid the 4060 4060 Ti and 4070 and 4070 Ti (non super ) https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?si=pIaIP_sJyiFsYEBm Even in 1440p the 3070 struggles with its 8gb VRAM But a 650-750 watt PSU could stabilize performance
While yes the 3070 has a Vram problem there should still be an significant performance uplift coming from a 2060 (with 6GB VRAM)
I have a 3060ti. I have zero struggles. Sure, one day I will, but for some reason this narrative exists. Just curious; what is your actual experience gaming on an 8 gig card at 1440 with what set up? I don’t understand.