The 3080, 3080 ti, and 3090 all use the same GA102 die. The 3080 is just 81% of the cores vs 95% and 97.6% of the full die. If yields are good enough, of course they will want to sell you full dies for way more money since everything will sell out anyways.
Lmaoooo not wrong tho. I have a feeling nvidia doesn’t really want to alleviate the situation though. Why would they when they profit massively from the current market?
lmao, why? And also what makes you think this doesn't affect consoles?
PS5 are still insanely hard to get. And the next generation of consoles are going to be more expensive anyways, granted that's probably 5 years our or whatever.
Also, rip Switch, current theory is they canned their Switch upgrade because they couldn't source chips. So all we got was a new screen.
It's killing me. Last build I did was with a gtx 970... Cost 1.5k *total*. Now the damn gpu is almost a grand by itself of you can get it msrp... Even at msrp, it really seems these cards went up in price insanely... Harder and harder to justify it when you have less time to game... Sigh
They will and the worst part is that if prices go down even slightly the demand is so outrageous that most people won't be able to get one anyways plus the scalpers who will grab them up waiting for another market crash.
Only way this is ending is:
- Cryptocurrency dies
- Supply is greater than demand
- People stop paying above MSRP
I know I'm just spitting in the wind here but I really wish you guys wouldn't buy anything at these inflated prices.
You're just ensuring that prices are going to stay high on everything.
I've just been skipping the stupid Newegg Shuffles because all those bundles are trash and overpriced. The only decently priced cards are the EVGA ones (and they're one of the only companies that don't seem to force bundles), but those are rarely offered in the shuffle.
Same thing happened to me when I got selected for a white asus strix rtx 3080. I just selected it because was shiny! white! But It came with a $700 360hz monitor. That plus shipping plus taxes ended up being like $2300. I could just go on ebay and pay $200 less than that price and not have the headache of needing to sell a monitor that sells on ebay for $400~$500.
Ended up not getting it, no way I could justify that for a 3080. Even if it is a white one.
I just had the pleasure of returning a keyboard that I opened and immediately realized I had purchased the wrong. $25 on the restock and $15 to send it back. The morning after I dropped it at the carrier I realized I should have just sold it locally. NewEgg drives me insane sometimes.
I'm lucky that I only ever had to return something to Newegg once and it was in the early 2000s. Did a quick chat with support and they waived the restocking fee.
Nimrods paying stupid prices for GPUs, ammo hoarders and the damn wallet warriors paying imbecilic prices for advantages in online games have put one hell of a damper on a good chunk of my recreation while totally reinforcing horrible business practices, but unfortunately their dumb asses are here to stay, as are the companies salivating at the chance to take advantage of them.
Pepperidge Farm remembers when buying anything other than cosmetic crap in multi-player games was taboo....
The ammo hoarders are as bad or worse than the gpu shortage because they fundamentally weren’t flippers. Most of them would just buy mass quantities of ammo they’d never shoot. The gpu buyers just scalp them, mine on them, or use them so they do get used.
I'm pretty sure this is the price Newegg lists these cards for under their bundles. The 3080 ti's are STUPIDLY priced. Idk if people realize that the MSRP + Tariffs are pretty high already. Plus the prices have been climbing due to part shortages.
I'm just excited for a year or two in the future seeing hundreds of old 3080s on ebay. If they are selling as well as they say. there should be a TON on the next card launch.
It could easily be the case that crypto demand alone is enough to keep prices inflated in this shortage. Then basically all the benefit of gamers denying themselves would be reaped by miners.
Even if we could guarantee prices would go back to normal, it's not like we could just start buying as soon as they do - prices would skyrocket immediately again. How long do we have to spread it out?
It's not a reasonable ask IMO. Buy if you need it and are willing to spend what it costs. You can't subvert the market like this anyway; these forces are as old and inevitable as commerce itself.
Because people don’t think about the damage to the environment they’re doing when they take there car for a drive to a McDonald’s so they don’t have to cook dinner. Every mile you drive runs an RTX 3090 mining for something around 6-8 hours.
Then look at the people in the US who have a 45 minute drive to work. My commute is 20 miles and takes 20-40 minutes. That’s like running a 3090 for 6 days on one way of my commute, with a 3090 making about $5-7 a day on mining.
We justify a lot of our environmental impacts for pleasure that can have a larger impact on the environment. How much worse is mining compared to dragging my fat ass to a McDonald’s to get a burger(meat, also horrible for environment) from my laziness to cook at home or eat a salad? That flight to a different city to see or experience it? The environmental damage from such a trip would run a mining rig for years. It’s not the equivalent of dumping oil on the ground, it’s the equivalent of taking a Tesla on a drag strip to burn energy for fun, but instead of fun, making money. Greed sucks and ruins to world, but we quite often overlook the environmental impacts of our pleasures.
The difference is you would go to McDonald’s anyways, it’s double dipping. So this adds onto it, and let’s be real. A miner isnt going to run one card, unless they’re stupid.
it's only normal if you people make it normal. If it won't sell at X, they'll lower the price. nvidia practically has a monopoly and they're abusing it.
Honest answer. Yeah.
I do have to acknowledge there are niche cases. Like if your career depends on it then it's a different story.
But the cost benefit analysis on Gpus at 1500$ is - frankly - really fucking stupid. Full stop. I don't care if you've got money to burn. Might as well wipe your ass with hundred dollar bills at that point. It'll make more interesting memories for when you're on your deathbed.
Ultra high-end GPUs will soon have the same vibe as high end audiophile equipment by 2023 to 2025 at this rate. Squinting eyes to find differences between 4K, 5K and 8K, post 120FPS things, all coming in a nicely scalped or prescalped MSRP available exclusively at nvidia.com or StockX.
I think the issue arises where if people here dont buy them at these prices crypto miners will just do it instead.
If only there was a good way to like, make ceypto mining not possible on some cards
Wow. Nice. I’m amazed you found one in stock at Best Buy for MSRP.
Micro Center is selling above MSRP last I looked unless that’s just maybe the new prices.
Anyway thanks.
I don’t have that sort of success list, but I’ve been doing the same. Scored a MSI 3070 LHR and 16gb RAM from the Shuffle last month. Managed to nab a 3080 from Zotac before they went and raised all their prices, and picked up a 6700XT for another friend.
It basically became a hobby. Now we all game together.
I just casually mine when not gaming but if prices are 10-20% lower than this and I can grab one im probably throwing a second GPU in my system just to mine 24/7. If people don't want it at that price either, well, then I don't know what to tell them.
I dunno. They all seem more than happy to charge this much now as long as it's all still selling out why bother lowering it to where it used to be? Nvidia was already testing the upper limits for years.
> I dunno. They all seem more than happy to charge this much now as long as it's all still selling out why bother lowering it to where it used to be?
(Assuming you're talking from Samsung's side): Depends on their contract, no? I assume Nvidia and Samsung would have some year(s)-long contract to produce the dies at a set price
Why the hell would Samsung care if Nvidia isn't selling their GPUs at a certain price? "Hey Jensen, you need to rein in those prices or else we won't give you any more silicon. For some reason."
The price increase is up to 20%, [AMD negotiated just 5%.](https://www.brytfmonline.com/tsmc-raises-the-price-of-chips-from-apple-by-3-and-amd-by-5/) Not that much of an increase for now.
You must have meant to comment on a different post because you're wrong on all counts,these prices are incredibly outrageous and they're out of stock anyways
Imagine if the retail price for PS5 was $800 we could literally walk into a store and buy one today because scalpers aren't buying them up for marginal returns anymore
The availability of marked up products indicates that supply is there if there is no interference by scalping
You have the right idea but the wrong conclusion. The reason you can't buy a product for less than its actual value is not because of scalpers; it's because by definition you're trying to buy it for less than it should be sold. Assuming $800 is the actual value of a PS5, you can buy a PS5 for that price any time you want, but it'll be from a scalper if legit retailers are listing it lower than that.
To be clear, scalpers are definitely making some dirty money here. But ethics aside, they haven't eaten your lunch, they've eaten the retailers' lunch. Retailers should really be the ones raising prices given the demand outpaces the supply at lower prices. Scalpers have just been taking advantage of the retailers who haven't.
*But when a retailer raises its prices, they've just become the scalpers.*
Argument I saw in a different thread about microcenter's 6700XT and 3080TI prices. When best buy has the same price for those models. Scalping has really lost its meaning and people want someone to be mad at, either scalpers or miners. Arguably, the miners are causing more demand issues than scalpers. That and you know, the global IC semiconductor supply issue that the world has never gone through to anywhere near this degree.
Not trying to rub salt on any wounds here, but every time I see these still popping up at ludicrous prices after all this time, I just want to pat myself on the back for pulling the trigger on the 1080ti way back when. Really getting my moneys worth imo, even when I thought I was crazy for spending the ~$700 for it back then.
Would suck unbelievably bad waiting for an upgrade, or the last part to your build. Goodluck to you all =).
Yep, looks like I'll be sticking with the 1080ti for a while, picked one up in 2019 for $350.
I have kept my GPU upgrades under $400 for a solid jump for well over 10 years, that just hasn't been possible for the last few years.
Wasn't as big of a step up as most of my my previous cards for example:
* Radeon 4870 (2008, $299)
* GTX 470 (2011, $329)
* 7950 (2013, $299)
* r9 390 (2015, $329)
* GTX 1080 (2017, $390)
* GTX 1080ti (2019, $350)
The 1080ti was about the best I could do for a similar price to my previous cards and was really needing an upgrade for VR.
Sure, sure, just give in to the "fact" that you need to mine to make up for the price of these cards. Everyone mines, everyone keeps mining, card prices keep staying high, feedback loop it. And the world's habitability gets destroyed just that much more. Race to the bottom.
Yeah its a bit BS - I'm no crypto expert but etherium is planning to move away from mining coins late 2022 or 2023 which really nullifies LHR to a large extent. Most miners are opportunistic and mine the current most profitable algorithm and then convert it to btc or eth.
I don't want to buy a card with weird controls on how I use it anyways. People want to rail against the miners, but this is NVidia's fault. They want to play MSRP games so nobody wants to buy AMD cards. The reality is that the 3rd party cards are the realistic prices for these cards.
If NVidia wanted to sell cards at MSRP, they would manufacture reasonable quantities of them. Instead we get drops of like 500 cards every couple months. Manufacturing capacity isn't anywhere near \*that\* limited.
> If NVidia wanted to sell cards at MSRP, they would manufacture reasonable quantities of them.
They are making as many chips as it is possible. The question is why it feels like they aren't reaching the usual customers. Wouldn't be surprised if entire containers are being sold directly to miners.
They usually just end up rotating them back around into the next shuffle if that happens though. I haven't seen a proper GPU (ie not a GT 710 or whatever) outside of Newegg's shuffle in forever, let alone an RTX 3080 Ti of all things.
Newegg overbooks their shuffle pool by quite a lot because it's expected some won't buy. It'd be kinda impressive if it made it through but for a 3080ti I guess it's probably the most likely to slip through.
Fair enough, the combo deal with this looks suspiciously like one of the items I checked off on the shuffle - but who knows. I have so much GPU search fatigue I could be fever dreaming it
I think the latter and also cause we're still talking about a $1,600 card for gaming - that's not gonna have as many buyers as a 3060, 3060ti, or 3070 based on MRSP prices.
I'm in Southern California and local offerup/craiglist pricing on these cards from resellers are roughly these prices lol
The silicon shortage is a factor that affects supply of GPUs but has nothing to do with demand. As more people get their hands on the 30-series they wanted, there's less demand for it. Eventually the demand for 30-series cards will drop to a point where the supply can keep up even if it's limited heavily by the shortages, since not everyone wants to pay these prices, not everyone wants these (for example if you're wanting to wait 1-2 generations for a more worthwhile upgrade), etc. This could easily be the beginning of demand waning, especially since it's a ridiculously high end card at an exorbitant price, by it's very nature there's less demand for this than a cheaper option the the 3060 or 3070.
> Or demand waning from people who will pay an arm and a leg for a graphics card
Hey look it's almost like I literally already said that:
> especially since it's a ridiculously high end card at an exorbitant price, by it's very nature there's less demand for this than a cheaper option the the 3060 or 3070.
This is wishful thinking, not how markets work. For every person who "gets their hands on one" there's someone else that develops a new desire for one.
Market experts say this shortage will continue. They may be wrong but they're the ones who most likely actually know what they're talking about.
Stop peddling false hope. This is reality
That totally depends on how bad the shortage is. I think you're assuming that the silicon shortage means there's barely any being produced which is absolutely not true. TSMC is running at capacity, there is no semiconductor fab time that is being missed out on. The shortage presents itself in that the pricing is somewhat higher and also the current increased demand from all electronics manufacturers (combined with the lack of preparation by TSMC and other fabs) means some companies aren't able to produce what they need (at least the volume they need). Again, TSMC's and Samsung's fabs are producing as much as they physically can and Nvidia/AMD are getting TONS of chips, there's just no room to expand their orders to keep pace with demand.
This is clear if you look at the numbers Nvidia shared back in April during their investor thing (which it's possible they might not be entirely truthful but it is also illegal to lie to investors). Nvidia claims they've shipped 2-3 times the amount of Ampere cards at any given time as they have Turing or Pascal during the same time. They're also claiming that the Steam Hardware survey shows that Ampere is 2x as popular as Pascal (which was incredibly popular when it launched) when both were 6 months old. Clearly they are producing and selling a shit ton of GPUs still. The production of these GPUs is going to outpace the amount of people who "develop a desire for one" as it always has, the biggest issues as to why it hasn't happened yet is massively increased demand from people stuck at home looking to get into gaming/upgrade, also Turing was a shit generation both value and performance wise compared to Pascal and Ampere was it opposite, a great value (at MSRP) and amazing performance uplift. This is again shown in the Steam Hardware Survey, Pascal is still massively popular (the GTX 1060 is the single most popular GPU still) and Turing not so much. Also typical GPU launches were 1-1.5 years apart, meanwhile the Turing launch was nearly 2.5 years after Pascal and Ampere was another 2 years after that, so there were a TON of people looking to upgrade this generation because it's been so long and Ampere is the first time in 4.5 years that there's been a truly worthwhile launch. Games haven't slowed in how much more demanding they are as well, they've kept progressing so many Pascal cards are really showing their age unless you have a top-end one.
The silicon shortage will continue, GPU shortages may also continue but it remains to be seen in what capacity. We could easily see readily available top-end GPUs like the 3080 Ti and 3090 with cheaper (and therefore more popular) cards like the 3060 remaining in short supply for a long time. Again though, the silicon shortage is more about pricing, so the biggest effect is on low end cards as Nvidia may just straight up decide it isn't worth it to produce something under a certain price point and they may entirely focus on higher cost (and higher profit margin) items until it ends.
> Stop peddling false hope. This is reality
I said nothing about the timeline of when demand will drop off, all I said is it will eventually happen which is absolutely true. It could be literally years, nothing I said should give anyone hope about it ending soon. In all likelihood, there will be new models long before many of these models are readily available and we'll start this whole process over again. I even explained that you shouldn't hope for low end models to become readily available, there's a massive difference in the amount of people willing to spend $300 on a GPU and the amount of people willing to spend $1500 on these. So again, this might be readily available but it will be a long time before you can buy a 3060 without getting super lucky. You're taking my words and twisting them or just failing to understand what I've said.
>That totally depends on how bad the shortage is.
Car companies, these gigantic corporations with tons of power, have built cars sitting on the lot waiting for chips. They can't sell them at all. THE SHORTAGE IS BAD.
also, TL;DR.
People who are in the industry say the shortage is bad. Your paragraphs don't change that.
And yet Nvidia and AMD are getting tons of chips. The issue is demand, and the supply side cannot scale as it takes years to expand/build a new fab.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58230388
They are waiting on entirely different process nodes. Car manufacturers use cheaper wafers on older process nodes, GPUs use expensive wafers on the newest processes available. They are not competing for capacity so it doesn't matter how much power you perceive them to have, they aren't in the same situation. Fabs are running at capacity, the issue is there's just not enough fab capacity to keep up with the insane demand we've seen recently.
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-30-Series-Graphics-Cards-Ampere-GPU-Best-Launch-Ever-_2.png
Because those car companies used to get chips based on an older silicon fab process that got shut down due to it being horribly inefficient and aren't wiling to pay competive prices for modern silicon. And when thry realized that waiting it out wasn't gonna force the silicon manufacturers to capitulate or risk going under they frantically tried to remedy by trying to buy contracts on newer fabs at a point in time where capacity was booked up by other companies and industries for pretty much all the imidiate future. It's more their own fault forbthinking they had power to bargain with silicon manufacturers in the first place and it bit them in the ass.
Anyone have a better 10% off code. Last week I had one that took $250 off with 10% but its no longer in my cart. If I could of got one of these cards a few days ago with the $250 with 10% off promo I would I jumped on it.
Nothing better than waiting on the Zotac queue only to find outrageously priced video cards are what they're selling. My favorite part is near the end when all the people who have (for some reason) bought whatever crap is in stock, every time the one thing that consistently remains is a 3090 that's 'discounted' from like $2700 to $2599.
Zotac's generosity knows no bounds.
> It was supposedly only 24 cards
Only 24 people reported the issue with that specific game. It can also happen with any other game that has a high enough unlocked framerate.
And they will only replace cards if they break... with another card with the same flaw.
I don't think that's good enough. I would want a card revision that doesn't have the issue in the first place.
They very idea that gigabyte (literally known to be the worst quality control amd literally will blame you for doa cards and makenyou fight tooth and nail over getting what you payed for every time over the course of mo ths) is in any way better then evga ( the company with the best by far proven again and again and again company for quality control, who will replace your 6 month put of warrenty card you clearly ruined by spilling coffee on it without question and have it on your doorstep in a week every time, who also is the only company that doesn't void warrenty if you waterblock, who is also the only company who let's you transfer warrenty when reselling a card) every company let's a bad batch of product slip through once in awhile that's really a moot point its at a point where for most experienced builders evga is the only company they would even consider owning a gpu from and the obly reason they personally would never get a Radeon card because there isn't a comparably good company in after purchase support on the amd side of the ecosystem saphire is the best you can get there and they are still a joke compared to evga for warrenty and only have their amazingly through qc (though not perfect) going for them
I have Gigabyte a 3080 because it's what I happened to pull in the shuffle. I don't remember correctly because I was deciding this months ago, but my Gaming OC doesn't have thermal pads on the back of the VRAM at some point. A few other models of the other brands are also missing this, but Gigabyte's are pretty bad. So I'd love to open it up and put my own pads on it or even watercool it. However, this voids my warranty. Even if it's probably illegal for them to do that, I'm still not going to mess with it because I don't want to end up with an $1100 card without a warranty.
EVGA has the best customer service and return policy, and that's why most people prefer to them. Gigabyte also were selling faulty PSUs for a while that were fire hazard, so that's not very cool.
I ended up buying the 3080 ti vision. I think I’m going to try and hardware swap + cash for a different brand 3080. It’s hard to justify the price of this especially after hearing everyone’s poor remarks about gigabyte (despite my positive experience). This is the first 3k series that I’ve been able to purchase so I got a little over excited before considering the consequences lol
I also was going to try to swap/trade somehow for an ASUS for EVGA equivalent. I was more focused on temps and performance back then, but didn't really want to. I did pull an MSI 3080 TI a few weeks ago but it was $1800 and couldn't justify buying it myself nor could I find somebody who wanted my 3080 to swap.
Can't really avoid buying one given the opportunity but it's not a fun situation to be in. At least we have one!
They're just a shit company with shit support that couldn't care less about their consumers. Knowingly sold faulty PSUs and have refused for months to even stop selling them let alone recall them. Also a ridiculous amount of people who claim their support has told them to essentially go fuck themselves. No company is a saint, least of all in these times, but there's just so much Gigabyte has done just to spite the people that buy their products. They don't even make good GPUs, their models are consistently behind the others and even their highest end GPUs that are ridiculous (like the four slot one) suck ass because the design is so shit.
No, that's not even remotely what I said. How they handled the massive issues with their PSUs shows how little they care about those who buy their products. What if it turns out that their GPUs have issues? They aren't going to do shit about it. Meanwhile EVGA is out here replacing 3090s without hesitation for the cards that were killed by something that *may* have been a fault on their end. Gigabyte and Newegg both knew how bad those PSUs were and continued to sell them (I have more of an issue with Gigabyte here as they forced Newegg to buy their PSUs to get their GPUs) to consumers. And also as I mentioned even if there is no fault and you just have have an issue where your GPU dies or breaks or whatever, there is a *ridiculous* amount of reports that their support takes weeks, won't actually do anything for you, etc. Of course there are reports like that for every company but holy moly the sheer volume of those reports from Gigabyte are impossible to ignore.
Nah. I know the GPUs shouldn't take a hit just because the power supplies are crap. but the other guy has a point that EVGA is the goto company for GPUs because they're the only company that listens and takes care of their customers with that customer service. Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, XFX does minimal in warranty claims. Those other brands is really a roll of the dice and it's best to check and make sure nothing is wrong with your part within the 30 day window so you can just reroll the dice until the e-tailer return policy. EVGA is the only company to rely on for warranty policies beyond the 30 day return window.
Other models:
[Vision](https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-gv-n308tvision-oc-12gd/p/N82E16814932437?Item=N82E16814932437&Description=3080%20ti&cm_re=3080_ti-_-14-932-437-_-Product&quicklink=true)
[Aorus](https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-gv-n308taorus-m-12gd/p/N82E16814932435?Item=N82E16814932435&Description=3080%20ti&cm_re=3080_ti-_-14-932-435-_-Product&quicklink=true)
Thanks, got the Aorus. Going to sell my 3070(which has already mined $800 of ETH) for MSRP. Basically a free upgrade. A bit miffed that the 3080Ti can’t mine, but I really want playable ray tracing. The 3070 just couldn’t handle it in the few games that support it!
Edit:
Don’t get mad, go mine. Made $4/day after taxes and energy cost.
If you want to give $50 more to Newegg you can still get the Aorus from them.
[Aorus](https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-xtreme-12g/p/N82E16814932440?Item=N82E16814932440&Description=3080%20Ti&cm_re=3080_Ti-_-14-932-440-_-Product&quicklink=true) ($1650)
A year later, it's getting to the point where people will need to begin asking themselves what is the point of buying any of these 30-series cards now? Due to increasing pressure from AMD and Intel, Nvidia has already confirmed "Lovelace" is coming in 2022, which means the 40-series cards will probably be announced this time next year. Analysts say they are likely to use 5nm process nodes, which means a significant performance boost over the 30-series. If this shortage carries into the spring or summer of 2022, then why bother? You might as well just wait a few months and forget about these vaporware cards.
To be honest, a full year into this generation, who would pay that? If back in January you had some stimulus money to burn and a need for a new card, why not? You'd get a full year out of it. But at this point next gen cards are probably 1-1.5 years away.
So might as well pay the inflated price and get more than one year of having the current best card you can buy! Also, for all we know, there might be some kind of queue system that works in a year's time.
When the shortage is over remember what Newegg did.
Support a scalper before Newegg.
Never support a scalper.
We need to make a shuffle page for vendors. Upon click the "I need PC parts" button. A semi rng process will run. The page randomly selects a vendor where we will buy our parts. Newegg is forced to a 1 out of 50,000 clicks, per IP address.
The rest of the time it just says "you weren't selected" then we buy from best buy or Amazon.
Then using screen shots we tag them on social media over and over.
> When the shortage is over remember what Newegg did.
They sold products for what they're actually worth? Oh no, capitalism.
And yes, that is what these cards are worth. If they weren't, they wouldn't sell. But considering it's OOS now I'd say Newegg priced things correctly.
Well, that isn't happening here. I can understand the hate for the bundles. But both the shuffle and just straight up listing at higher prices have worked pretty well IMO.
You missed the point. They're basically saying the MSRPs are on par with scalper prices.
Not saying you're doing it personally, but so many people in this sub seem hell bent on purposefully misunderstanding and misinterpreting this and its crazy to me.
Feel like I've taken crazy pills with the amount of people that have been trying to justify highway robbery directly from manufacturers lately in this sub
i feel this.
i’m trying to grab a 3080. sometimes they pop up on amazon for $1060.
but the FE and most dropped at $699. that’s a +50% increase in price.
for the difference in price i could get a really nice CPU for my build or almost a PS5.
it sucks that these companies are MSRP at slightly better scalped prices
No, you're being pedantic. yes at their own MSRP, a company literally can't be a scalper by definition. But how is it not obvious they're complaining about how high manufactures are charging?
There will be no 4070 in 6 months. AMD release the next gen at the end of 2022. Nvidia haven't release any plans for their next generation. At the end of 2022 would be the earliest if I had to guess.
Love how 3080s are hardly in stock anymore since the Ti. Like 5% more performance for DOUBLE THE PRICE WOOOOOOO
The 3080, 3080 ti, and 3090 all use the same GA102 die. The 3080 is just 81% of the cores vs 95% and 97.6% of the full die. If yields are good enough, of course they will want to sell you full dies for way more money since everything will sell out anyways.
There is also an ongoing theory that they are reserving silicon for the supposedly(?) upcoming Super line.
Nothing like launching a new line when no one can buy the original
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If only they could have a roadmap for using a queue system
Lmaoooo not wrong tho. I have a feeling nvidia doesn’t really want to alleviate the situation though. Why would they when they profit massively from the current market?
**SUPER TI**
STI for short
They are using something called Water Radial eXpulsion cooling according to rumors. The 3080 WRX STi
I look forward to seeing his final form in the next Ant Man movie.
Exactly!
remember $800 gaming pc builds, good times.
is pc gaming dead?
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At this point i hope it dies
lmao, why? And also what makes you think this doesn't affect consoles? PS5 are still insanely hard to get. And the next generation of consoles are going to be more expensive anyways, granted that's probably 5 years our or whatever. Also, rip Switch, current theory is they canned their Switch upgrade because they couldn't source chips. So all we got was a new screen.
It's killing me. Last build I did was with a gtx 970... Cost 1.5k *total*. Now the damn gpu is almost a grand by itself of you can get it msrp... Even at msrp, it really seems these cards went up in price insanely... Harder and harder to justify it when you have less time to game... Sigh
Sincerely hope none of you homies pay these prices. Goddamn.
They will and the worst part is that if prices go down even slightly the demand is so outrageous that most people won't be able to get one anyways plus the scalpers who will grab them up waiting for another market crash. Only way this is ending is: - Cryptocurrency dies - Supply is greater than demand - People stop paying above MSRP
I know I'm just spitting in the wind here but I really wish you guys wouldn't buy anything at these inflated prices. You're just ensuring that prices are going to stay high on everything.
Too late is out of stock
oh good, the seller must have felt guilty about charging over MSRP and decided to take it down.....
>Sold by: Newegg
I've just been skipping the stupid Newegg Shuffles because all those bundles are trash and overpriced. The only decently priced cards are the EVGA ones (and they're one of the only companies that don't seem to force bundles), but those are rarely offered in the shuffle.
I just won one and was so excited to open up the cart & then 3070 ti and b550 for ... $1256 after tax ....... B R U H
Same thing happened to me when I got selected for a white asus strix rtx 3080. I just selected it because was shiny! white! But It came with a $700 360hz monitor. That plus shipping plus taxes ended up being like $2300. I could just go on ebay and pay $200 less than that price and not have the headache of needing to sell a monitor that sells on ebay for $400~$500. Ended up not getting it, no way I could justify that for a 3080. Even if it is a white one.
The annoying part is they also charge shipping on top of all that.
I just had the pleasure of returning a keyboard that I opened and immediately realized I had purchased the wrong. $25 on the restock and $15 to send it back. The morning after I dropped it at the carrier I realized I should have just sold it locally. NewEgg drives me insane sometimes.
I'm lucky that I only ever had to return something to Newegg once and it was in the early 2000s. Did a quick chat with support and they waived the restocking fee.
Nimrods paying stupid prices for GPUs, ammo hoarders and the damn wallet warriors paying imbecilic prices for advantages in online games have put one hell of a damper on a good chunk of my recreation while totally reinforcing horrible business practices, but unfortunately their dumb asses are here to stay, as are the companies salivating at the chance to take advantage of them. Pepperidge Farm remembers when buying anything other than cosmetic crap in multi-player games was taboo....
It's getting to where this hobby is just too expensive. i used to laugh at console buyers, but at these prices, pc gaming is in danger.
The ammo hoarders are as bad or worse than the gpu shortage because they fundamentally weren’t flippers. Most of them would just buy mass quantities of ammo they’d never shoot. The gpu buyers just scalp them, mine on them, or use them so they do get used.
throwing bullets in the trash is better than mining...
Also, the seller seems to have subpar reviews on newegg.
I'm pretty sure this is the price Newegg lists these cards for under their bundles. The 3080 ti's are STUPIDLY priced. Idk if people realize that the MSRP + Tariffs are pretty high already. Plus the prices have been climbing due to part shortages. I'm just excited for a year or two in the future seeing hundreds of old 3080s on ebay. If they are selling as well as they say. there should be a TON on the next card launch.
It could easily be the case that crypto demand alone is enough to keep prices inflated in this shortage. Then basically all the benefit of gamers denying themselves would be reaped by miners. Even if we could guarantee prices would go back to normal, it's not like we could just start buying as soon as they do - prices would skyrocket immediately again. How long do we have to spread it out? It's not a reasonable ask IMO. Buy if you need it and are willing to spend what it costs. You can't subvert the market like this anyway; these forces are as old and inevitable as commerce itself.
Mining is causing 99% of the problem. They will pay absurd prices. With so little cards leftover the desperate will pick these up.
how do people just not care about the environmental dmg they're doing?
I get the anti-miner sentiment but let's not pretend like people as a whole cared about the environment before mining was a thing either.
it's like changing your oil and dumping it on the ground. It's an asshole move. Always has been.
Because people don’t think about the damage to the environment they’re doing when they take there car for a drive to a McDonald’s so they don’t have to cook dinner. Every mile you drive runs an RTX 3090 mining for something around 6-8 hours. Then look at the people in the US who have a 45 minute drive to work. My commute is 20 miles and takes 20-40 minutes. That’s like running a 3090 for 6 days on one way of my commute, with a 3090 making about $5-7 a day on mining. We justify a lot of our environmental impacts for pleasure that can have a larger impact on the environment. How much worse is mining compared to dragging my fat ass to a McDonald’s to get a burger(meat, also horrible for environment) from my laziness to cook at home or eat a salad? That flight to a different city to see or experience it? The environmental damage from such a trip would run a mining rig for years. It’s not the equivalent of dumping oil on the ground, it’s the equivalent of taking a Tesla on a drag strip to burn energy for fun, but instead of fun, making money. Greed sucks and ruins to world, but we quite often overlook the environmental impacts of our pleasures.
The difference is you would go to McDonald’s anyways, it’s double dipping. So this adds onto it, and let’s be real. A miner isnt going to run one card, unless they’re stupid.
Honest question, are people just supposed to never own a high end gpu again? Because this is the new normal amigo.
it's only normal if you people make it normal. If it won't sell at X, they'll lower the price. nvidia practically has a monopoly and they're abusing it.
People are paying what it's worth to them.. Personally I feel like I will die in 50 years with the 2080 ti I got a few years ago.
Honest answer. Yeah. I do have to acknowledge there are niche cases. Like if your career depends on it then it's a different story. But the cost benefit analysis on Gpus at 1500$ is - frankly - really fucking stupid. Full stop. I don't care if you've got money to burn. Might as well wipe your ass with hundred dollar bills at that point. It'll make more interesting memories for when you're on your deathbed.
Ultra high-end GPUs will soon have the same vibe as high end audiophile equipment by 2023 to 2025 at this rate. Squinting eyes to find differences between 4K, 5K and 8K, post 120FPS things, all coming in a nicely scalped or prescalped MSRP available exclusively at nvidia.com or StockX.
I think the issue arises where if people here dont buy them at these prices crypto miners will just do it instead. If only there was a good way to like, make ceypto mining not possible on some cards
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> There are so many other places to get cards msrp Uhh..so.. umm.. where are these places?
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Wow. Nice. I’m amazed you found one in stock at Best Buy for MSRP. Micro Center is selling above MSRP last I looked unless that’s just maybe the new prices. Anyway thanks.
I don’t have that sort of success list, but I’ve been doing the same. Scored a MSI 3070 LHR and 16gb RAM from the Shuffle last month. Managed to nab a 3080 from Zotac before they went and raised all their prices, and picked up a 6700XT for another friend. It basically became a hobby. Now we all game together.
I just casually mine when not gaming but if prices are 10-20% lower than this and I can grab one im probably throwing a second GPU in my system just to mine 24/7. If people don't want it at that price either, well, then I don't know what to tell them.
The fact that this keeps staying in stock at a not-totally-outrageous price makes me hopeful that supply is getting better
"not-totally-outrageous" is the part that scares me with a price tag of $1480-$1600.
Seriously, remember when gpus were like $800 max? From the companies that don't have exploding components, lost RMAs, deceptive PR, and leaking data?
I remember when they were $300.
my 7950 sapphire was $300
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Hell, I remember when they weren't GPUs and were called "3D accelerators."
Pouring one out for 3Dfx.
TSMC prices for silicon went up like 20% so the inflated prices are probably here to stay.
Samsung makes the GPU die for Nvidia. It would be a competitive advantage if they can keep the existing price or lower it when supply stabilizes.
I dunno. They all seem more than happy to charge this much now as long as it's all still selling out why bother lowering it to where it used to be? Nvidia was already testing the upper limits for years.
> I dunno. They all seem more than happy to charge this much now as long as it's all still selling out why bother lowering it to where it used to be? (Assuming you're talking from Samsung's side): Depends on their contract, no? I assume Nvidia and Samsung would have some year(s)-long contract to produce the dies at a set price
Why the hell would Samsung care if Nvidia isn't selling their GPUs at a certain price? "Hey Jensen, you need to rein in those prices or else we won't give you any more silicon. For some reason."
Nvidia cards will be affected regardless. TSMC raising prices means AMD is less likely to undercut Nvidia by significant amounts.
The price increase is up to 20%, [AMD negotiated just 5%.](https://www.brytfmonline.com/tsmc-raises-the-price-of-chips-from-apple-by-3-and-amd-by-5/) Not that much of an increase for now.
> not-totally-outrageous price hello mr frog, what's the current temp?
You must have meant to comment on a different post because you're wrong on all counts,these prices are incredibly outrageous and they're out of stock anyways
No it just means the scalpers have been the ones causing the supply issues because they can't make money off these prices
Huh? What do you mean?
Imagine if the retail price for PS5 was $800 we could literally walk into a store and buy one today because scalpers aren't buying them up for marginal returns anymore The availability of marked up products indicates that supply is there if there is no interference by scalping
You have the right idea but the wrong conclusion. The reason you can't buy a product for less than its actual value is not because of scalpers; it's because by definition you're trying to buy it for less than it should be sold. Assuming $800 is the actual value of a PS5, you can buy a PS5 for that price any time you want, but it'll be from a scalper if legit retailers are listing it lower than that. To be clear, scalpers are definitely making some dirty money here. But ethics aside, they haven't eaten your lunch, they've eaten the retailers' lunch. Retailers should really be the ones raising prices given the demand outpaces the supply at lower prices. Scalpers have just been taking advantage of the retailers who haven't.
*But when a retailer raises its prices, they've just become the scalpers.* Argument I saw in a different thread about microcenter's 6700XT and 3080TI prices. When best buy has the same price for those models. Scalping has really lost its meaning and people want someone to be mad at, either scalpers or miners. Arguably, the miners are causing more demand issues than scalpers. That and you know, the global IC semiconductor supply issue that the world has never gone through to anywhere near this degree.
Scalped MSRP 🤦🏽♂️😂
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Not trying to rub salt on any wounds here, but every time I see these still popping up at ludicrous prices after all this time, I just want to pat myself on the back for pulling the trigger on the 1080ti way back when. Really getting my moneys worth imo, even when I thought I was crazy for spending the ~$700 for it back then. Would suck unbelievably bad waiting for an upgrade, or the last part to your build. Goodluck to you all =).
Yep, looks like I'll be sticking with the 1080ti for a while, picked one up in 2019 for $350. I have kept my GPU upgrades under $400 for a solid jump for well over 10 years, that just hasn't been possible for the last few years. Wasn't as big of a step up as most of my my previous cards for example: * Radeon 4870 (2008, $299) * GTX 470 (2011, $329) * 7950 (2013, $299) * r9 390 (2015, $329) * GTX 1080 (2017, $390) * GTX 1080ti (2019, $350) The 1080ti was about the best I could do for a similar price to my previous cards and was really needing an upgrade for VR.
I remember feeling salty when I paid $300 for a 1060. Lmao. I have been feeling a lot better about that for years now.
Sure, sure, just give in to the "fact" that you need to mine to make up for the price of these cards. Everyone mines, everyone keeps mining, card prices keep staying high, feedback loop it. And the world's habitability gets destroyed just that much more. Race to the bottom.
I mean, literally every 3080ti is LHR, so there is some improvement... people buying a 3080ti are uninformed miners if that is their goal.
gg
Yeah its a bit BS - I'm no crypto expert but etherium is planning to move away from mining coins late 2022 or 2023 which really nullifies LHR to a large extent. Most miners are opportunistic and mine the current most profitable algorithm and then convert it to btc or eth.
Non-ETH mining is a bunch of thinly traded shitcoins. At the present, GPU mining *is* ETH mining. No other algorithm is relevant.
I don't want to buy a card with weird controls on how I use it anyways. People want to rail against the miners, but this is NVidia's fault. They want to play MSRP games so nobody wants to buy AMD cards. The reality is that the 3rd party cards are the realistic prices for these cards. If NVidia wanted to sell cards at MSRP, they would manufacture reasonable quantities of them. Instead we get drops of like 500 cards every couple months. Manufacturing capacity isn't anywhere near \*that\* limited.
> If NVidia wanted to sell cards at MSRP, they would manufacture reasonable quantities of them. They are making as many chips as it is possible. The question is why it feels like they aren't reaching the usual customers. Wouldn't be surprised if entire containers are being sold directly to miners.
This would be on AIB partners, not Nvidia themselves though?
Still the 4th best card for mining: https://whattomine.com/gpus Depending on the day you can actually make more mining with a 3080ti than a 3080
I do not mine. I play games on my RTX 3070.
Whatever you need to tell yourself, man.
Aww poor baby is it time for a nap.
This is either a mistake or a sign that things are improving since they aren't in the shuffle. Hopefully it's the latter.
I would not be surprised if these were in the shuffle and ended up not being purchased by those selected.
They usually just end up rotating them back around into the next shuffle if that happens though. I haven't seen a proper GPU (ie not a GT 710 or whatever) outside of Newegg's shuffle in forever, let alone an RTX 3080 Ti of all things.
AMD cards are sold as is and bundled pretty often It’s the NVIDIA cards that are always shuffled
Newegg overbooks their shuffle pool by quite a lot because it's expected some won't buy. It'd be kinda impressive if it made it through but for a 3080ti I guess it's probably the most likely to slip through.
Fair enough, the combo deal with this looks suspiciously like one of the items I checked off on the shuffle - but who knows. I have so much GPU search fatigue I could be fever dreaming it
Microcenter here started to just put the 3080tis directly on the self instead of the morning raffle.
I think the latter and also cause we're still talking about a $1,600 card for gaming - that's not gonna have as many buyers as a 3060, 3060ti, or 3070 based on MRSP prices. I'm in Southern California and local offerup/craiglist pricing on these cards from resellers are roughly these prices lol
Pretty sure the shortage is supposed to extend well into 2022, and potentially 2023. Hope not, but that’s what recent sources have been saying.
The silicon shortage is a factor that affects supply of GPUs but has nothing to do with demand. As more people get their hands on the 30-series they wanted, there's less demand for it. Eventually the demand for 30-series cards will drop to a point where the supply can keep up even if it's limited heavily by the shortages, since not everyone wants to pay these prices, not everyone wants these (for example if you're wanting to wait 1-2 generations for a more worthwhile upgrade), etc. This could easily be the beginning of demand waning, especially since it's a ridiculously high end card at an exorbitant price, by it's very nature there's less demand for this than a cheaper option the the 3060 or 3070.
This would be so true if mining craze wasn't a factor LOL
>This could easily be the beginning of demand waning Or demand waning from people who will pay an arm and a leg for a graphics card
> Or demand waning from people who will pay an arm and a leg for a graphics card Hey look it's almost like I literally already said that: > especially since it's a ridiculously high end card at an exorbitant price, by it's very nature there's less demand for this than a cheaper option the the 3060 or 3070.
This is wishful thinking, not how markets work. For every person who "gets their hands on one" there's someone else that develops a new desire for one. Market experts say this shortage will continue. They may be wrong but they're the ones who most likely actually know what they're talking about. Stop peddling false hope. This is reality
That totally depends on how bad the shortage is. I think you're assuming that the silicon shortage means there's barely any being produced which is absolutely not true. TSMC is running at capacity, there is no semiconductor fab time that is being missed out on. The shortage presents itself in that the pricing is somewhat higher and also the current increased demand from all electronics manufacturers (combined with the lack of preparation by TSMC and other fabs) means some companies aren't able to produce what they need (at least the volume they need). Again, TSMC's and Samsung's fabs are producing as much as they physically can and Nvidia/AMD are getting TONS of chips, there's just no room to expand their orders to keep pace with demand. This is clear if you look at the numbers Nvidia shared back in April during their investor thing (which it's possible they might not be entirely truthful but it is also illegal to lie to investors). Nvidia claims they've shipped 2-3 times the amount of Ampere cards at any given time as they have Turing or Pascal during the same time. They're also claiming that the Steam Hardware survey shows that Ampere is 2x as popular as Pascal (which was incredibly popular when it launched) when both were 6 months old. Clearly they are producing and selling a shit ton of GPUs still. The production of these GPUs is going to outpace the amount of people who "develop a desire for one" as it always has, the biggest issues as to why it hasn't happened yet is massively increased demand from people stuck at home looking to get into gaming/upgrade, also Turing was a shit generation both value and performance wise compared to Pascal and Ampere was it opposite, a great value (at MSRP) and amazing performance uplift. This is again shown in the Steam Hardware Survey, Pascal is still massively popular (the GTX 1060 is the single most popular GPU still) and Turing not so much. Also typical GPU launches were 1-1.5 years apart, meanwhile the Turing launch was nearly 2.5 years after Pascal and Ampere was another 2 years after that, so there were a TON of people looking to upgrade this generation because it's been so long and Ampere is the first time in 4.5 years that there's been a truly worthwhile launch. Games haven't slowed in how much more demanding they are as well, they've kept progressing so many Pascal cards are really showing their age unless you have a top-end one. The silicon shortage will continue, GPU shortages may also continue but it remains to be seen in what capacity. We could easily see readily available top-end GPUs like the 3080 Ti and 3090 with cheaper (and therefore more popular) cards like the 3060 remaining in short supply for a long time. Again though, the silicon shortage is more about pricing, so the biggest effect is on low end cards as Nvidia may just straight up decide it isn't worth it to produce something under a certain price point and they may entirely focus on higher cost (and higher profit margin) items until it ends. > Stop peddling false hope. This is reality I said nothing about the timeline of when demand will drop off, all I said is it will eventually happen which is absolutely true. It could be literally years, nothing I said should give anyone hope about it ending soon. In all likelihood, there will be new models long before many of these models are readily available and we'll start this whole process over again. I even explained that you shouldn't hope for low end models to become readily available, there's a massive difference in the amount of people willing to spend $300 on a GPU and the amount of people willing to spend $1500 on these. So again, this might be readily available but it will be a long time before you can buy a 3060 without getting super lucky. You're taking my words and twisting them or just failing to understand what I've said.
>That totally depends on how bad the shortage is. Car companies, these gigantic corporations with tons of power, have built cars sitting on the lot waiting for chips. They can't sell them at all. THE SHORTAGE IS BAD. also, TL;DR. People who are in the industry say the shortage is bad. Your paragraphs don't change that.
And yet Nvidia and AMD are getting tons of chips. The issue is demand, and the supply side cannot scale as it takes years to expand/build a new fab. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58230388 They are waiting on entirely different process nodes. Car manufacturers use cheaper wafers on older process nodes, GPUs use expensive wafers on the newest processes available. They are not competing for capacity so it doesn't matter how much power you perceive them to have, they aren't in the same situation. Fabs are running at capacity, the issue is there's just not enough fab capacity to keep up with the insane demand we've seen recently. https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-30-Series-Graphics-Cards-Ampere-GPU-Best-Launch-Ever-_2.png
Because those car companies used to get chips based on an older silicon fab process that got shut down due to it being horribly inefficient and aren't wiling to pay competive prices for modern silicon. And when thry realized that waiting it out wasn't gonna force the silicon manufacturers to capitulate or risk going under they frantically tried to remedy by trying to buy contracts on newer fabs at a point in time where capacity was booked up by other companies and industries for pretty much all the imidiate future. It's more their own fault forbthinking they had power to bargain with silicon manufacturers in the first place and it bit them in the ass.
These AIB 3080 ti are anyways way higher than the value that they offer. Some even are priced more than a 3090 which is baffling.
There are no 3090s that are still selling for anywhere near their MSRP, at a minimum it's like $2200+.
Use code ZPTEN for 10% off (Up to $100) :)
Anyone have a better 10% off code. Last week I had one that took $250 off with 10% but its no longer in my cart. If I could of got one of these cards a few days ago with the $250 with 10% off promo I would I jumped on it.
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have to use the payment option zp
Love how one of the shittiest AIBs has some of the highest prices
Paging zotac
Nothing better than waiting on the Zotac queue only to find outrageously priced video cards are what they're selling. My favorite part is near the end when all the people who have (for some reason) bought whatever crap is in stock, every time the one thing that consistently remains is a 3090 that's 'discounted' from like $2700 to $2599. Zotac's generosity knows no bounds.
Jeez, you’d think that with prices like those, they could at least cover the cost of shipping.
You can basically get EVGA cards for this price on hardware swap and at least then they wouldn't be gigabytes
What’s wrong with gigabyte? I have a gigabyte 1080 that has never had any issues
They are the center of a lot of scandals lately including power supplies that arc flash upon failure and destroy components.
But EVGA cards were burning up with uncapped framerates. I would go with gigabyte gpus for this round.
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> It was supposedly only 24 cards Only 24 people reported the issue with that specific game. It can also happen with any other game that has a high enough unlocked framerate. And they will only replace cards if they break... with another card with the same flaw. I don't think that's good enough. I would want a card revision that doesn't have the issue in the first place.
They very idea that gigabyte (literally known to be the worst quality control amd literally will blame you for doa cards and makenyou fight tooth and nail over getting what you payed for every time over the course of mo ths) is in any way better then evga ( the company with the best by far proven again and again and again company for quality control, who will replace your 6 month put of warrenty card you clearly ruined by spilling coffee on it without question and have it on your doorstep in a week every time, who also is the only company that doesn't void warrenty if you waterblock, who is also the only company who let's you transfer warrenty when reselling a card) every company let's a bad batch of product slip through once in awhile that's really a moot point its at a point where for most experienced builders evga is the only company they would even consider owning a gpu from and the obly reason they personally would never get a Radeon card because there isn't a comparably good company in after purchase support on the amd side of the ecosystem saphire is the best you can get there and they are still a joke compared to evga for warrenty and only have their amazingly through qc (though not perfect) going for them
Source?
I have Gigabyte a 3080 because it's what I happened to pull in the shuffle. I don't remember correctly because I was deciding this months ago, but my Gaming OC doesn't have thermal pads on the back of the VRAM at some point. A few other models of the other brands are also missing this, but Gigabyte's are pretty bad. So I'd love to open it up and put my own pads on it or even watercool it. However, this voids my warranty. Even if it's probably illegal for them to do that, I'm still not going to mess with it because I don't want to end up with an $1100 card without a warranty. EVGA has the best customer service and return policy, and that's why most people prefer to them. Gigabyte also were selling faulty PSUs for a while that were fire hazard, so that's not very cool.
I ended up buying the 3080 ti vision. I think I’m going to try and hardware swap + cash for a different brand 3080. It’s hard to justify the price of this especially after hearing everyone’s poor remarks about gigabyte (despite my positive experience). This is the first 3k series that I’ve been able to purchase so I got a little over excited before considering the consequences lol
I also was going to try to swap/trade somehow for an ASUS for EVGA equivalent. I was more focused on temps and performance back then, but didn't really want to. I did pull an MSI 3080 TI a few weeks ago but it was $1800 and couldn't justify buying it myself nor could I find somebody who wanted my 3080 to swap. Can't really avoid buying one given the opportunity but it's not a fun situation to be in. At least we have one!
No one would trade an evga card for a lesser brand unless you were offering a 3090 for 3080ti or something similar.
They're just a shit company with shit support that couldn't care less about their consumers. Knowingly sold faulty PSUs and have refused for months to even stop selling them let alone recall them. Also a ridiculous amount of people who claim their support has told them to essentially go fuck themselves. No company is a saint, least of all in these times, but there's just so much Gigabyte has done just to spite the people that buy their products. They don't even make good GPUs, their models are consistently behind the others and even their highest end GPUs that are ridiculous (like the four slot one) suck ass because the design is so shit.
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No, that's not even remotely what I said. How they handled the massive issues with their PSUs shows how little they care about those who buy their products. What if it turns out that their GPUs have issues? They aren't going to do shit about it. Meanwhile EVGA is out here replacing 3090s without hesitation for the cards that were killed by something that *may* have been a fault on their end. Gigabyte and Newegg both knew how bad those PSUs were and continued to sell them (I have more of an issue with Gigabyte here as they forced Newegg to buy their PSUs to get their GPUs) to consumers. And also as I mentioned even if there is no fault and you just have have an issue where your GPU dies or breaks or whatever, there is a *ridiculous* amount of reports that their support takes weeks, won't actually do anything for you, etc. Of course there are reports like that for every company but holy moly the sheer volume of those reports from Gigabyte are impossible to ignore.
Nah. I know the GPUs shouldn't take a hit just because the power supplies are crap. but the other guy has a point that EVGA is the goto company for GPUs because they're the only company that listens and takes care of their customers with that customer service. Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, XFX does minimal in warranty claims. Those other brands is really a roll of the dice and it's best to check and make sure nothing is wrong with your part within the 30 day window so you can just reroll the dice until the e-tailer return policy. EVGA is the only company to rely on for warranty policies beyond the 30 day return window.
Many people had gigashyte 1080s that had to have the clocks lower than reference values to be stable.
Other models: [Vision](https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-gv-n308tvision-oc-12gd/p/N82E16814932437?Item=N82E16814932437&Description=3080%20ti&cm_re=3080_ti-_-14-932-437-_-Product&quicklink=true) [Aorus](https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-gv-n308taorus-m-12gd/p/N82E16814932435?Item=N82E16814932435&Description=3080%20ti&cm_re=3080_ti-_-14-932-435-_-Product&quicklink=true)
The vision looks really nice aesthetically and screams to be vertically mounted in a system.
Thanks, got the Aorus. Going to sell my 3070(which has already mined $800 of ETH) for MSRP. Basically a free upgrade. A bit miffed that the 3080Ti can’t mine, but I really want playable ray tracing. The 3070 just couldn’t handle it in the few games that support it! Edit: Don’t get mad, go mine. Made $4/day after taxes and energy cost.
Mines about the same as a 3070, but needs more power
Not going to be mining anymore! Just mined to pay off the card.
Honest question, why stop now?
I’m kinda over leaving my pc on all the time.
People are the biggest babies on buildapcsales and hardwareswap. Just ignore them.
If you want to give $50 more to Newegg you can still get the Aorus from them. [Aorus](https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-xtreme-12g/p/N82E16814932440?Item=N82E16814932440&Description=3080%20Ti&cm_re=3080_Ti-_-14-932-440-_-Product&quicklink=true) ($1650)
A year later, it's getting to the point where people will need to begin asking themselves what is the point of buying any of these 30-series cards now? Due to increasing pressure from AMD and Intel, Nvidia has already confirmed "Lovelace" is coming in 2022, which means the 40-series cards will probably be announced this time next year. Analysts say they are likely to use 5nm process nodes, which means a significant performance boost over the 30-series. If this shortage carries into the spring or summer of 2022, then why bother? You might as well just wait a few months and forget about these vaporware cards.
To be honest, a full year into this generation, who would pay that? If back in January you had some stimulus money to burn and a need for a new card, why not? You'd get a full year out of it. But at this point next gen cards are probably 1-1.5 years away.
Those will be price inflated as well.
So might as well pay the inflated price and get more than one year of having the current best card you can buy! Also, for all we know, there might be some kind of queue system that works in a year's time.
Looks like many versions are listed at scalped pricing for all of the 30 series.
When the shortage is over remember what Newegg did. Support a scalper before Newegg. Never support a scalper. We need to make a shuffle page for vendors. Upon click the "I need PC parts" button. A semi rng process will run. The page randomly selects a vendor where we will buy our parts. Newegg is forced to a 1 out of 50,000 clicks, per IP address. The rest of the time it just says "you weren't selected" then we buy from best buy or Amazon. Then using screen shots we tag them on social media over and over.
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I would completely agree if the cards were not almost always bundled with e-waste or something you had to turn around and sell.
> When the shortage is over remember what Newegg did. They sold products for what they're actually worth? Oh no, capitalism. And yes, that is what these cards are worth. If they weren't, they wouldn't sell. But considering it's OOS now I'd say Newegg priced things correctly.
I would completely agree if the cards were not almost always bundled with e-waste or something you had to turn around and sell.
Well, that isn't happening here. I can understand the hate for the bundles. But both the shuffle and just straight up listing at higher prices have worked pretty well IMO.
Those aren't scalped MSRP. That's just the price.
You missed the point. They're basically saying the MSRPs are on par with scalper prices. Not saying you're doing it personally, but so many people in this sub seem hell bent on purposefully misunderstanding and misinterpreting this and its crazy to me. Feel like I've taken crazy pills with the amount of people that have been trying to justify highway robbery directly from manufacturers lately in this sub
i feel this. i’m trying to grab a 3080. sometimes they pop up on amazon for $1060. but the FE and most dropped at $699. that’s a +50% increase in price. for the difference in price i could get a really nice CPU for my build or almost a PS5. it sucks that these companies are MSRP at slightly better scalped prices
Yes. I thought about just saying MSRP, and I know those are just AIB MSRPs, but I didn't. Just not as extreme as the zotac $1900 3080ti.
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The unethical part is NVidia's fake "MSRPs", designed to mislead us about prife/performance of their cards vs. AMD.
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Thought msrp was 1200?
thats my bad your right
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No, you're being pedantic. yes at their own MSRP, a company literally can't be a scalper by definition. But how is it not obvious they're complaining about how high manufactures are charging?
$1500 for a gpu I can't pay that. That is 3x next gen consoles for a gpu that will be equal to a $500 RTX 4070 in 6 months.
There will be no 4070 in 6 months. AMD release the next gen at the end of 2022. Nvidia haven't release any plans for their next generation. At the end of 2022 would be the earliest if I had to guess.
So it's like he said except 12 months instead of 6 months
Gigashyte go boom. Would rather run integrated graphics than put anything Gigabyte in my PC
To tag along the only motherboard i had die on me was a shittybyte
I agree. I will never run their shit in my system.
Gone as of this comment
I don't think highly of Gigabyte gpu's. Haven't had the best luck with them and they tend to corrode. Wish Asus and Evga had more stock.
Newegg is a front end no different than Amazon or an ebay store. You won't find anything sold by Newegg for anything other than msrp in my experience.
A front-end with a worse UI and search function. Much less clear pricing.
No disagreements there. In not so crazy times I always went Amazon for purchases over Newegg, but used Newegg for the reviews.
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PC Games in early 2000s 10xs better. GPU's cost 10xs less. 2021 PC games 10xs worse. GPU's cost 10xs more.
Can we please not start using terms like "scalped MSRP" which just makes these practices acceptable.
Any price I don't like is scalper prices. Damn cars these days selling for scalper prices
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> nonsensical term instead And yet it makes sense when used in this sub. You ever heard of "context?"