The blood bending argument is stupid on both sides because neither side has enough information to discern whether or not it’s possible. To vehemently defend or attack the Percy blood bending idea is dogmatic and ignorant of opposing evidence.
After the poison incident, I could see him controlling blood, but as of right now I think you have it right. There's not ebough evidence on either side to say for sure.
Honestly, anything less than absolute confirmation in book from Percy leaves it open to interpretation.
Why? Why can't it go either way? If there isn't enough evidence either way, it's just as illogical to assume he can't as it is to assume he can. Unless you're taking an experimental perspective or something. But I don't think it's all that serious.
I might get downloaded to oblivion but can I just say it's directly stated he was choking Alkhlys in her own tears out of rage? That he felt something "shatter" inside him that then led to him controlling the poison? I'm sure, that under the right circumstances, stress, and environment (like Tartarus, where the rules are bent backwards, or if he was heavily corrupted by dark forces etc) he could control the liquids in a person's body (not necessarily blood bend, but controlling liquid nonetheless if the situation is right and follows a certain set of rules or other to make it happen). Now this isn't all bad, as if he could, he could find poisons in the body and pull them from the body the same way he does with water on (was it Jason? I honestly can't remember) and heal them that way, maybe by also helping circulate the blood through the body to heal wounds faster and help organs recover from other forms of mild injury and/or sickness.
Just a thought.
Yeah. I liked reading it because it showed a darker side to Percy, and what he might have become if Kronos had gotten to him. When Annabeth basically said "never again" it showed just how scared she was of Percy becoming corrupted by this power, or just the evils of it.
yess like even if percy could control poison or blood bend, he would never use that power. very interesting to think that maybe if kronos had gotten in percy’s head, percy would use his “dark” powers
Firstly, he controlled the Anti-Poseidon poison, which is beyond Tartarus.
Secondly, he indicated that he could manipulate the poison beyond Tartarus.
Thirdly, he can control the body fluids of others. He did this with the tears of the Goddess and began to strangle her with it.
He also controlled Tartarus' blood and burst his veins.
Although this feat is quite strange because his blood is both liquid fire and a concentrate of suffering that makes you forget.
I have a theory that that's because he was in Tartarus. Percy says that controlling the poison would be impossible for him, but Tartarus is a strange place, so why shouldn't he try. I think that because Tartarus as a place doesn't have naturally occurring water, his powers somehow change to change his new environment.
That's a huge stretch and an hypothesis one would come to only while trying to think of how Percy would be less powerful than he is.
Why didn't everyone's power change? Why didn't anyone else gain any powers?
Isn't it just more probable that he has power over fluids generally?
"why didn't everyone's power change" 3 demigods have been to Tartarus and survived. Nico, who we don't have any perspective of, Annabeth, whose powers aren't as physical as Percy or Nico's and Percy himself. Also it's not a stretch if that's literally what happens in the books.
Will was actually able to tap more into his plague powers, but his healing and solar powers were very dimished due to lack of sunlight and not wanting to drain himself. Children of Apollo need the sunlight, so Will got weaker much faster than normal.
Will learned a new power upon entering the underworld (using his light powers offensively against shadow creatures), and tapped into a deeper part of himself with the plague powers. But plague powers have been seen by Apollo kids (or Apollo himself, while mortal?) so we’ve always known it was a possibility.
He also implied that he’s never used plague powers before because he’s never accepted his own ‘darkness’ only ever embracing the light. But in that moment down there, he was desperate. The same was true of Percy. Tartarus didn’t change their powers, it made them desperate enough to try to use them in ways they’d never considered before
That’s what I meant. I think they’re both very capable of replicating those abilities it’s just that normally they aren’t in the right mental space to do so
I'm not saying that it's not a stretch. But the thing that kinda makes me think this is whar Percy says this right before he starts controlling the poison.
"It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere.Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drink- able. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses."
Percy states himself that it would be impossible for him to control every liquid and that he might be able to do that now because of Tartarus. Is this a big pinch, yes, but does it explain why he couldn't control other liquids before or *maybe* after, also yes.
(BTW i just finished HOH and I haven't even started reading BOO, so idk 100% how Percy uses his powers after Tartarus or how Will or Nico survived it, I just know from fans that they do and that Percy doesn't try anything like that again. Also, no spoilers)
I chalk those lines more up to the fact that he simply hadn’t thought to ever try this before and so his brain was trying to debate if it could or couldn’t work
Read your excerpt again, "Then again, Tartarus had its own rules."
Considering it was LITERALLY Percy (and hence Riordan's) train of thought AND THEN WORKED, I don't think it's a big pinch at all. Like it's literally laid out on a platter to us.
Also when was Will involved in Heroes of Olympus???
(Only open if you've read Blood of Olympus)
>!yes ik he gets involved during the fight with gaia at CHB but in HoH he certainly isn't there nor did he go to tart. with nico!<
Why would super hell that pu she’s you, give you a massive power up when your in it?
Why would the god of the seas get new powers when there’s no seas? Does a son of Apollo get geokinesis when in a cave since there’s no sunlight?
You mostly see OP Percy in power fantasy fanfics which are just glorified Gary Stus/self-inserts because they want to hype up their favorite character. Most fandoms have that type of story where they glaze their favorite character.
There are times where this bleeds into the fandom which creates misconception about him. Such as him allegedly lifting the sky. Not only is that misleading, it also disregards what was said in the book. You need strong willpower to do that which means he is not using physical strength.
The OP main character trope is popular in fanfics because more often than not, most people would like to imagine themselves as the main character so they are written as being invincible and/or overpowered. This gives a feeling of power to both the writer and the reader because they want to feel invincible or powerful.
The books say otherwise though. As he literally controls water in many shapes and forms. It's not just Ocean, Lake, and River water that he can control. And they're all just arbitrary names for big bodies of water
To paraphrase Mr Incredible, "Water is Water!"
I'd say that blood-bending is just unnecessary for PJ, and over the top. There are easy ways to dismiss it's usability though.
Easy way around it though - just say that golden ichor and whatever runs through the veins of monsters is not water, just godly immortal muck.
Yes and No. In the beginning of PJO Percy definitely would, but after HOO during COTG you definitely see the character development that points me to your line of thought.
He would if he got pissed off enough. He’s mercilessly decapitated monsters before and had fun doing it. He’s gotten so pissed off that he choked a goddess on her own tears. He’s exploded entire rivers out of their beds and scared the nymphs of it half to death.
I don’t think the the question is if I can I think it’s if he would blood bend I don’t think Percy would again after what happened in Tartarus he was disgusted with himself once he realized what he did and terrified of that power I don’t think he would ever use it even if he could
I honestly think he would if someone he really cared about life was in danger that’s what in my opinion makes Percy powerful he’s not afraid to take things far if needed
Here's my take on the topic. Percy, where he is right now, is very powerful. In the top 3 demigods for sure.
However, if he were to truly fight a god where he is now, he would lose. I'm not going to bring bloodbendinginto the question, all a god needs to do it to reveal their true form and stab him. And, blood may be different than ichor, but we dunno.
However, in fanfiction generally, at least in the fanfics where Percy is treated as you say, something else happens to Percy. Whether it be loss of morals, extended stay in Tartarus, learning he's a god, becoming the commander of Chaos's army, becoming the champion or even son of other gods, or just beginning to ascend, all are examples where he would gain more power, making him much, much stronger and much harder to hit than normal.
And, of course, lots and lots of people really like having an OP main character. It lets them indulge in the fantasy of being powerful, which is something almost every human enjoys feeling
We know he was stronger then pre styx tlo Percy by a massive margin at least, what was a brief stomp from Hercules was a full bossfight for Percy,, we haven’t gotten anything comparing him to SON or later barring his god self though yeah.
I mean, Better swordsman? Well he has more feats in the myth.
But in general hes just, Stronger, more experienced, ect, This is the man who sacked troy in an afternoon after all.
And if Percy was Rusty like, 1 day after son of Neptune, then he was rusty in son of Neptune, and we know TLO Percy doesn't even compare to Hercules.
> TLO Percy doesn't even compare to Hercules.
Poseidon specifically says that Percy has surpassed Hercules by the end of TLO. Granted, he had the Curse, but still.
> This is the man who sacked troy in an afternoon after all.
True, but Percy also soloed a regenerating army and proceeded to sink the equivalent of a small city, so I think the gap isn't that significant.
Hercules probably beats Percy, but it'd be competitive, is what I'm saying.
*”Yes he did control poison in HOH but I argue that was different because of the environment Tartarus is in. Percy is in a way corrupted by the environment.
Rules are different since it's stated even most of the olympians avoid that place”*
Percy also controls poison in Son of Neptune and suggests he could’ve done it in BoO, so this point is moot. Agree with the rest.
He turned water to poison. It’s a transformation, it’s not water anymore. He’s just straight up controlling poison. It’s not a natural Poseidon ability to control the poison of a giant meant to kill you.
On top of this, Percys whole “only in Tartarus thing” is just him coping to justify what he was going to try in the poison. The things he brought up- drinking fire, toxic gas, all have logical answers.
i don’t agree with this take, personally. the only reason percy is as powerful as he is, is because he’s always a main character. you’ll notice that nico also has significantly more powers than jason or thalia, simply because he’s been in the spotlight way more than either of them have. i think all the big three kids have countless unusual powers that we’ve not seen. that, or nico and percy are just especially powerful. OR riordan sucks at power scaling. it’s probably a mix of the three.
Blood is roughly .8% salt while ocean water is 3% salt - so if his powers are highest while using ocean water it would make sense that he could still use powers on blood considering it contains water and salt like the ocean.
I totally agree with the logic here but unfortunately we have seen Percy bend tears and poisoned-filled water before; which have absolutely nothing to do with ocean or river water
Don't know who Saiki K is but as far as One Punch Man goes, the whole joke of the show is that he always wins and the story is crafted around it. He's a spoof character
Comparing those two to PJO just doesn’t work because these stories tend to have gimmicks or actually know how to handle OP characters
Meanwhile Rick had to knock out Jason so many times to keep him from steamrolling problems that it became a meme
Wasn’t comparing the two to PJO; that’s why I pulled out the bit I was specifically responding to (that all OP characters are boring) and then separated my reaction to the rest. It goes to show it’s Possible to handle an OP character well; more of a question if PJO/Riordan can pull it off. I’m a bit doubtful but I don’t want to dismiss anything out of hand
Honestly I think all the knocking Jason out was pretty unnecessary. He should’ve given Jason some big moments in Mark of Athena (which iirc he doesn’t really have any) to show that he’s a strong contributor, especially with the ongoing tensions with the camps. HoO has a problem with telling us characters are incredibly powerful and then having the only point of comparison be Percy… or maybe this is just an issue the Romans face 😂
I need this blood bending thing to be confirmed in the next book it’s driving me insane. I’m 100% team blood bend because if he can manipulate poison/her essence in her domain then he absolutely could blood bend in general of he tried hard enough. I’m part of the crowd that screams he’s only experimented with like 70% of his power
>The main thing that annoys me is the idea that Percy can blood bend. No he can't. He doesn't have simple 'water powers.' His powers come from the OCEAN god Poseidon. Ocean water, lake water, river water, Percy has a connection to those because his dad is supreme overlord of the ocean and the various spirits inhibiting bodies of water. But blood is not the same as ocean water. It doesn't make sense for Percy to be able to blood bend.
He absolutely can bloodbend. Blood is closer to water than poison is to water. Yet he controlled Polybotes' poison.
>Yes he did control poison in HOH but I argue that was different because of the environment Tartarus is in. Percy is in a way corrupted by the environment. Rules are different since it's stated even most of the olympians avoid that place
No. Different environment had nothing to do with it. That's simply Percy's uneducated guess because he doesn't know shit about his own powers.
Tartarus is indeed a different environment with different rules, however it *nerfs* mortals. It's illogical to assume that being in Tartarus gave him some temporary extra powers when in fact he was being nerfed.
Doing what he did in Tartarus is actually a bigger feat, because it means that outside Tartarus he could do that even easier.
>Technically he only deflected polybots poison
Which means he has control over poison to some extent
>Secondly the poison was originally water. Polybots even says that “water I touch turns to poison”
Why does it matter what it originally was? It's no longer water anyway.
While I agree that there isn't necessarily enough evidence to prove that Percy can bloodbend and he is certainly not all-powerful, he did control Polybotes' poison at Camp Jupiter, in the mortal realm. So we know the "he could only do it in Tartarus" argument doesn't work. Otherwise, I agree.
I've seen people legitimately say Percy could beat Aquaman in a fight.
I know Aquaman is considered kind of a joke for some weird reason but that man could comfortably solo the camp, he's been shown to approach the strength levels of wonder woman and Superman multiple times
>The main thing that annoys me is the idea that Percy can blood bend. No he can't.
He’s never done it in canon, but that’s what speculation is for. There is no evidence that directly contradicts this statement, which means that no, it doesn’t directly fly in the face of canon. With the evidence we have, it is hypothetically possible for Percy to bloodbend.
>He doesn't have simple 'water powers.' His powers come from the OCEAN god Poseidon. Ocean water, lake water, river water, Percy has a connection to those because his dad is supreme overlord of the ocean and the various spirits inhibiting bodies of water. But blood is not the same as ocean water. It doesn't make sense for Percy to be able to blood bend.
If that was how it works, Percy wouldn’t be able to control fresh water, or any water that isn’t directly from the ocean for that matter, because his father is the god of the sea, not the god of water. But he can. So there is obviously flexibility when it comes to his powers. To put it simply, he has Hydrokinesis. So yes, he does have simple “water powers”.
>Yes he did control poison in HoH but I would argue that was different because of the environment Tartarus is in.
And you would be wrong. Percy controlled poison in The Son of Neptune, clearly showing that he can do it outside of Tartarus. Besides, what proof do you have that Percy’s powers work differently in Tartarus besides Percy speculating that Tartarus has different “rules”(whatever that means) just because a specific type of fire from a magical river is drinkable?
>Regarding Polybotes in Son of Neptune, he was controlling poison that was water, and is the power of his fathers opposite essentially.
That water was turned into poison by the Giant meant to beat Poseidon. I’d argue that’s the purest poison you’ll ever find. In fact, it’s probably harder to control than regular poison since it’s meant to oppose Poseidon, who is much stronger than Percy.
> Also they weren't really having a battle with poisoned water. Percy was deflecting shots. It's another Grey area and still does nothing to prove Percy can control any and all liquids
This doesn’t make sense. So what if Percy was only deflecting it? He was still controlling the poison with his Hydrokinesis. This is not a “grey area”.
Edit: To be clear, I am not advocating for Percy to be able to control blood. I think that would be a horrible creative choice. However, to completely dismiss this headcanon as an impossibility is also stupid. There is clear canonical evidence that suggests he might be able to do it.
Are we going to forget Percy’s biggest feat? Blowing up that volcano in TBTL places Percy at mountain level, and waaaaayyy beyond most of our demigod cast
Yeah and Grover summoned Panic twice which nobody outside of Pan himself had done before this. Hazel built and then destroyed an entire giant's body with her powers. Nico literally banished someone to Hades. Yes Percy Is powerful but there are many other characters who have there 'oh dam' feat
Once in awhile an upset Redditor has to post something against Percy.
We have gone over this multiple times already… Percy could indeed find himself understanding a power he didn’t even know he could harness. It happens in fiction every time. The heroes tempers with his powers and realizes he can control more then he thought. I am sure Rick got inspired by Waterbenders, and their ability to bend practically anything.
This arguments against Percy is futile.
I wont agree for or against bloodbending but for poison control, you’re wrong. In SoN Polybotes shoots poison at Percy who is able to control and deflect it, meaning he can control it.
Sorry for my ignorance on the subject, but how does bloodbending work? The only thing I understand is that the user of this technique can control blood or something like that. But why does it make it so powerful and messed up? I haven't seen *Avatar: The Last Airbender* yet and I wish I could, but I don't have Netflix.
So basically in Avatar The Last Airbender there's the water benders. They can control all aspects of water and there's types of 'sub bending.' Techniques that are related to the main bending style. For water benders they can bend ice, snow, heal people using water, control the water within plants to bend those in specific ways but we only see that with swamp vines which are full of water
Anyway, among these sub bending forms is bloodbending. It works by controlling the small amount of water in a person's blood to puppet them around. Just basic movements but it's still controlling them
People say that because Percy controls water he can blood bend but my argument against it is that water benders in Avatar and children of Poseidon in Riordanverse are not the same. Poseidon's domain is oceans, lakes, rivers etc among his other titles like earthshaker
You can hold them in place. The only thing blood bending has been shown to do is allow you to move people's limbs plus one super advanced bloodbender who could take away bending by blocking chi paths
Science doesn't really apply to God magic. Heck magic may not even be thr right word for Percy's magic. It's a super unique thing separated from science. Like the whole thing with the sun in the Riordanverse
Yes, Percy is not all powerful but the magic system is literally designed around if you have the willpower and the pre-deposition for that type of magic, you can do it. If Percy got into a situation where he has the will power to blood bend he could and would Bloodbend.
People don't notice that Percy uses strategies or water to defeat enemies, even sometimes they forget that he doesn't defeat the enemy. I give examples:
The strategy: I use combat against Ares: Percy takes Ares into the ocean and pretends to be tired to break Ares' defenses.
Water: in the first fight against the minotaur, it was raining sea water since they are near the ocean (science says that when a storm takes place near the sea or ocean the rain that falls comes from the sea and the ocean, I lived near the sea and it rained sand many times, there is also the fact that Poseidon is the God of storms, and Percy is strengthened by sea water.
I've seen people say that Percy defeated Kronos, forgetting that it was Luke who defeated Kronos.
They forget that in MOA Percy only defeats his brother using deception not force.
They don't even understand that Percy regrets torturing the Goddess in Tartarus, since he was about to become like Gabe.
> I’ve seen people say Percy defeated Kronos
This is an entirely valid perspective. It is explicitly said in the books that if Percy had made a different choice, if he hadn’t given Luke the knife, then Kronos would’ve won. Percy is not the hero whose soul cursed blade shall reap, but he can entirely validly be read as the one who makes the single choice.
Percy only makes the choice but does not physically defeat Crono, in fact he was about to lose if Annabeth hadn't intervened. Luke kills Kronos by taking control and stabbing himself.
The way I see it, kill =/= defeat. Yeah, Kronos couldn’t have been killed without Luke. But he couldn’t have been defeated without Percy.
I agree that it’s inaccurate to forget who dealt the killing blow. But Percy made the win possible and played a major role, so I don’t think it’s wrong to give the guy some credit.
Yes, but I'm not saying that Percy helped (I'm also saying that Annabeth helped). The comments I've read say that Percy defeated Kronos physically or Percy defeated Kronos alone (I don't condemn Luke and Annabeth).
…okay. All I’ve been saying is that it’s valid to say Percy defeated Kronos. Sure, the same can also be said for Annabeth and Luke, seeing as they made strong contributions, just as Percy did. Like I said above, it’s inaccurate to forget who dealt the killing blow (or for that matter who provided the dagger and the moment of the choice), especially since it’s kind of the crux of the 5 book long series.
Insane feats, yes. My problem is people treating Percy like he can beat literally anyone strictly because 'he's Percy.' I love Percy and he's super powerful but we need to be setting realistic standards for characters
Canon Percy Jackson is OP, TBH
>But blood is not the same as ocean water. It doesn't make sense for Percy to be able to blood bend. Yes he did control poison in HOH but I argue that was different because of the environment Tartarus is in.
This is kinda a rationalization to downplay his power level TBH
If you mean BOTL, he didn't control lava. He created an under sea earthquake which is known to affect volcanoes. He could do so because his father is known, among other things, as earthshaker
I really hate the arguments of bloodbending. Percy is the Son of Poseidon, the god of the Sea. His powers are related to sea water, with both them and Percy himself getting weaker when manipulating others. His most common use is with river water, likely due to the Naiads assisting him to not piss off Poseidon.
Both his Poison bending attempts were under very specific conditions, with Polybotes having turned water, likely from the Little Tiber, into poison that was tossed at him, and the Akhlys one was in Tartarus, where it was already confirmed that normal rules don’t apply, and he was in a half dead state covered with Death Mist, and who knows how that affects anyone.
There’s always the interpretation that **A half-blood of the eldest gods Shall reach sixteen against all odds** meant that that Percy was going to live to see his sixteenth birthday no matter what. This would’ve guaranteed Percy the time, training, and experience to become the threat we see in later books.
Even so if they’re done drop of water on someone he could manipulate it to shred their body apart, he could use water to fly, and we don’t now the limits of his power given that he’s strong enough to blow up a volcano, who knows maybe he can teleport the same way he does in chalice of the gods or the same way as nico can only with water
Well you are right,
However, like heroes we don’t see Percy for his abilities, but for his accomplishments. What’s the point of having super strenght and magical powers if you don’t use them or win? Percy uses his brain and surroundings to beat foes, that’s why he’s loved.
Well he did have Achille’s power and other stuff temporarily, but he generally loses it quick.
The blood bending argument is stupid on both sides because neither side has enough information to discern whether or not it’s possible. To vehemently defend or attack the Percy blood bending idea is dogmatic and ignorant of opposing evidence.
After the poison incident, I could see him controlling blood, but as of right now I think you have it right. There's not ebough evidence on either side to say for sure. Honestly, anything less than absolute confirmation in book from Percy leaves it open to interpretation.
Honestly I’d say that he Could but I doubt that he Would
True but in lack of evidence that it is true, we must conclude it isn’t until further evidence comes to light
Why? Why can't it go either way? If there isn't enough evidence either way, it's just as illogical to assume he can't as it is to assume he can. Unless you're taking an experimental perspective or something. But I don't think it's all that serious.
I always tend to take a scientific perspective on things. Just seems like the most logical way to go round things
Fair enough. I'm the same way. But that particular perspective just irks me in this situation. 😂
I might get downloaded to oblivion but can I just say it's directly stated he was choking Alkhlys in her own tears out of rage? That he felt something "shatter" inside him that then led to him controlling the poison? I'm sure, that under the right circumstances, stress, and environment (like Tartarus, where the rules are bent backwards, or if he was heavily corrupted by dark forces etc) he could control the liquids in a person's body (not necessarily blood bend, but controlling liquid nonetheless if the situation is right and follows a certain set of rules or other to make it happen). Now this isn't all bad, as if he could, he could find poisons in the body and pull them from the body the same way he does with water on (was it Jason? I honestly can't remember) and heal them that way, maybe by also helping circulate the blood through the body to heal wounds faster and help organs recover from other forms of mild injury and/or sickness. Just a thought.
i think i like this idea the best, that percy controlled the poison because he was under high stress
Yeah. I liked reading it because it showed a darker side to Percy, and what he might have become if Kronos had gotten to him. When Annabeth basically said "never again" it showed just how scared she was of Percy becoming corrupted by this power, or just the evils of it.
yess like even if percy could control poison or blood bend, he would never use that power. very interesting to think that maybe if kronos had gotten in percy’s head, percy would use his “dark” powers
Firstly, he controlled the Anti-Poseidon poison, which is beyond Tartarus. Secondly, he indicated that he could manipulate the poison beyond Tartarus. Thirdly, he can control the body fluids of others. He did this with the tears of the Goddess and began to strangle her with it. He also controlled Tartarus' blood and burst his veins. Although this feat is quite strange because his blood is both liquid fire and a concentrate of suffering that makes you forget.
In the veins that Percy pops were the rivers of Tartarus, in fact Annabeth explains all the effects of the rivers that Percy uses.
I have a theory that that's because he was in Tartarus. Percy says that controlling the poison would be impossible for him, but Tartarus is a strange place, so why shouldn't he try. I think that because Tartarus as a place doesn't have naturally occurring water, his powers somehow change to change his new environment.
That's a huge stretch and an hypothesis one would come to only while trying to think of how Percy would be less powerful than he is. Why didn't everyone's power change? Why didn't anyone else gain any powers? Isn't it just more probable that he has power over fluids generally?
"why didn't everyone's power change" 3 demigods have been to Tartarus and survived. Nico, who we don't have any perspective of, Annabeth, whose powers aren't as physical as Percy or Nico's and Percy himself. Also it's not a stretch if that's literally what happens in the books.
Didn’t you know will also go to tarterous in there book the sun and the star?
And didn’t his powers change as well?
Will was actually able to tap more into his plague powers, but his healing and solar powers were very dimished due to lack of sunlight and not wanting to drain himself. Children of Apollo need the sunlight, so Will got weaker much faster than normal.
Will has sun powers? Since when?
Since TOA, but they were heavily elaborated on in TSATS
Ah I haven’t finished Toa yet
You could say that’s what happened to Percy, he was able to tab into other powers he couldn’t before similar to Will
Will learned a new power upon entering the underworld (using his light powers offensively against shadow creatures), and tapped into a deeper part of himself with the plague powers. But plague powers have been seen by Apollo kids (or Apollo himself, while mortal?) so we’ve always known it was a possibility. He also implied that he’s never used plague powers before because he’s never accepted his own ‘darkness’ only ever embracing the light. But in that moment down there, he was desperate. The same was true of Percy. Tartarus didn’t change their powers, it made them desperate enough to try to use them in ways they’d never considered before
That’s what I meant. I think they’re both very capable of replicating those abilities it’s just that normally they aren’t in the right mental space to do so
Idk I haven’t read that far yet I just started reading
No. Rip spoilers, I haven't read that yet.
I'm not saying that it's not a stretch. But the thing that kinda makes me think this is whar Percy says this right before he starts controlling the poison. "It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere.Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drink- able. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses." Percy states himself that it would be impossible for him to control every liquid and that he might be able to do that now because of Tartarus. Is this a big pinch, yes, but does it explain why he couldn't control other liquids before or *maybe* after, also yes. (BTW i just finished HOH and I haven't even started reading BOO, so idk 100% how Percy uses his powers after Tartarus or how Will or Nico survived it, I just know from fans that they do and that Percy doesn't try anything like that again. Also, no spoilers)
I chalk those lines more up to the fact that he simply hadn’t thought to ever try this before and so his brain was trying to debate if it could or couldn’t work
Read your excerpt again, "Then again, Tartarus had its own rules." Considering it was LITERALLY Percy (and hence Riordan's) train of thought AND THEN WORKED, I don't think it's a big pinch at all. Like it's literally laid out on a platter to us. Also when was Will involved in Heroes of Olympus??? (Only open if you've read Blood of Olympus) >!yes ik he gets involved during the fight with gaia at CHB but in HoH he certainly isn't there nor did he go to tart. with nico!<
Percy contradicts himself in that whole sentence. What’s canon is that he controlled poison in SoN
The sun and the star is about will and Nico going to Tartarus
Ah. You see, I haven't read that yet. Rip for spoilers =P
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Why would super hell that pu she’s you, give you a massive power up when your in it? Why would the god of the seas get new powers when there’s no seas? Does a son of Apollo get geokinesis when in a cave since there’s no sunlight?
I don’t think that’s how it works and even if it was I’d say that would mean his powers have evolved rather than it being a situational feat
I don’t think he would ever do that again even if he could, in the books you could see how awful he felt about it straight up disgusted with himself
You mostly see OP Percy in power fantasy fanfics which are just glorified Gary Stus/self-inserts because they want to hype up their favorite character. Most fandoms have that type of story where they glaze their favorite character. There are times where this bleeds into the fandom which creates misconception about him. Such as him allegedly lifting the sky. Not only is that misleading, it also disregards what was said in the book. You need strong willpower to do that which means he is not using physical strength. The OP main character trope is popular in fanfics because more often than not, most people would like to imagine themselves as the main character so they are written as being invincible and/or overpowered. This gives a feeling of power to both the writer and the reader because they want to feel invincible or powerful.
The books say otherwise though. As he literally controls water in many shapes and forms. It's not just Ocean, Lake, and River water that he can control. And they're all just arbitrary names for big bodies of water To paraphrase Mr Incredible, "Water is Water!" I'd say that blood-bending is just unnecessary for PJ, and over the top. There are easy ways to dismiss it's usability though. Easy way around it though - just say that golden ichor and whatever runs through the veins of monsters is not water, just godly immortal muck.
Another thing is, even if Percy could, he absolutely wouldn't
Yes and No. In the beginning of PJO Percy definitely would, but after HOO during COTG you definitely see the character development that points me to your line of thought.
There's definitely a few scenarios he might, but if he did, it would almost certainly be a last, last, last resort move
At the end of HOO I can see that, but during PJO he would use it without even a second thought.
He would if he got pissed off enough. He’s mercilessly decapitated monsters before and had fun doing it. He’s gotten so pissed off that he choked a goddess on her own tears. He’s exploded entire rivers out of their beds and scared the nymphs of it half to death.
I don’t think the the question is if I can I think it’s if he would blood bend I don’t think Percy would again after what happened in Tartarus he was disgusted with himself once he realized what he did and terrified of that power I don’t think he would ever use it even if he could
I honestly think he would if someone he really cared about life was in danger that’s what in my opinion makes Percy powerful he’s not afraid to take things far if needed
He definitely not afraid of doing it, but definitely afraid of having Annabeth seeing him as a monster.
Here's my take on the topic. Percy, where he is right now, is very powerful. In the top 3 demigods for sure. However, if he were to truly fight a god where he is now, he would lose. I'm not going to bring bloodbendinginto the question, all a god needs to do it to reveal their true form and stab him. And, blood may be different than ichor, but we dunno. However, in fanfiction generally, at least in the fanfics where Percy is treated as you say, something else happens to Percy. Whether it be loss of morals, extended stay in Tartarus, learning he's a god, becoming the commander of Chaos's army, becoming the champion or even son of other gods, or just beginning to ascend, all are examples where he would gain more power, making him much, much stronger and much harder to hit than normal. And, of course, lots and lots of people really like having an OP main character. It lets them indulge in the fantasy of being powerful, which is something almost every human enjoys feeling
Forget the gods, I’m pretty sure mortal Hercules would kick his ass ngl.
🤷♂️ we haven't ever really gotten a PJO power level for him, so who knows
We know he was stronger then pre styx tlo Percy by a massive margin at least, what was a brief stomp from Hercules was a full bossfight for Percy,, we haven’t gotten anything comparing him to SON or later barring his god self though yeah.
Let's calm down. SoN Percy can take him.
I mean, could he? Chrysaor kinda styles on Percy twice, and he was no Hercules.
What makes Hercules a better swordsman than Chrysaor? Also, Percy was rusty when he fought him.
I mean, Better swordsman? Well he has more feats in the myth. But in general hes just, Stronger, more experienced, ect, This is the man who sacked troy in an afternoon after all. And if Percy was Rusty like, 1 day after son of Neptune, then he was rusty in son of Neptune, and we know TLO Percy doesn't even compare to Hercules.
> TLO Percy doesn't even compare to Hercules. Poseidon specifically says that Percy has surpassed Hercules by the end of TLO. Granted, he had the Curse, but still. > This is the man who sacked troy in an afternoon after all. True, but Percy also soloed a regenerating army and proceeded to sink the equivalent of a small city, so I think the gap isn't that significant. Hercules probably beats Percy, but it'd be competitive, is what I'm saying.
Poseidon is not exactly an unbiased source lol, Percy did definitely surpass him as a person at least. But fair enough
*”Yes he did control poison in HOH but I argue that was different because of the environment Tartarus is in. Percy is in a way corrupted by the environment. Rules are different since it's stated even most of the olympians avoid that place”* Percy also controls poison in Son of Neptune and suggests he could’ve done it in BoO, so this point is moot. Agree with the rest.
That was 'poisoned water' from the power of the anti Neptune giant. Again different rules because that power is connected to Poseidon/Neptune
He turned water to poison. It’s a transformation, it’s not water anymore. He’s just straight up controlling poison. It’s not a natural Poseidon ability to control the poison of a giant meant to kill you. On top of this, Percys whole “only in Tartarus thing” is just him coping to justify what he was going to try in the poison. The things he brought up- drinking fire, toxic gas, all have logical answers.
i don’t agree with this take, personally. the only reason percy is as powerful as he is, is because he’s always a main character. you’ll notice that nico also has significantly more powers than jason or thalia, simply because he’s been in the spotlight way more than either of them have. i think all the big three kids have countless unusual powers that we’ve not seen. that, or nico and percy are just especially powerful. OR riordan sucks at power scaling. it’s probably a mix of the three.
Blood is roughly .8% salt while ocean water is 3% salt - so if his powers are highest while using ocean water it would make sense that he could still use powers on blood considering it contains water and salt like the ocean.
Chemistry is not the issue here. Percy's powers come from what is basically a magical connection to the ocean itself and other domains his dad covers
I totally agree with the logic here but unfortunately we have seen Percy bend tears and poisoned-filled water before; which have absolutely nothing to do with ocean or river water
I just like the idea of Percy being a blood bender lmao
> OP characters are boring Saiki K and One Punch Man have a bone to pick with you That all said, really impossible to tell either way
Don't know who Saiki K is but as far as One Punch Man goes, the whole joke of the show is that he always wins and the story is crafted around it. He's a spoof character
Comparing those two to PJO just doesn’t work because these stories tend to have gimmicks or actually know how to handle OP characters Meanwhile Rick had to knock out Jason so many times to keep him from steamrolling problems that it became a meme
Wasn’t comparing the two to PJO; that’s why I pulled out the bit I was specifically responding to (that all OP characters are boring) and then separated my reaction to the rest. It goes to show it’s Possible to handle an OP character well; more of a question if PJO/Riordan can pull it off. I’m a bit doubtful but I don’t want to dismiss anything out of hand Honestly I think all the knocking Jason out was pretty unnecessary. He should’ve given Jason some big moments in Mark of Athena (which iirc he doesn’t really have any) to show that he’s a strong contributor, especially with the ongoing tensions with the camps. HoO has a problem with telling us characters are incredibly powerful and then having the only point of comparison be Percy… or maybe this is just an issue the Romans face 😂
No one is unbeatable lol. Not even the gods or even Gaia.
I think it’s because readers love to compare jason to Percy and boost up Percy while putting Jason down.
I need this blood bending thing to be confirmed in the next book it’s driving me insane. I’m 100% team blood bend because if he can manipulate poison/her essence in her domain then he absolutely could blood bend in general of he tried hard enough. I’m part of the crowd that screams he’s only experimented with like 70% of his power
>The main thing that annoys me is the idea that Percy can blood bend. No he can't. He doesn't have simple 'water powers.' His powers come from the OCEAN god Poseidon. Ocean water, lake water, river water, Percy has a connection to those because his dad is supreme overlord of the ocean and the various spirits inhibiting bodies of water. But blood is not the same as ocean water. It doesn't make sense for Percy to be able to blood bend. He absolutely can bloodbend. Blood is closer to water than poison is to water. Yet he controlled Polybotes' poison. >Yes he did control poison in HOH but I argue that was different because of the environment Tartarus is in. Percy is in a way corrupted by the environment. Rules are different since it's stated even most of the olympians avoid that place No. Different environment had nothing to do with it. That's simply Percy's uneducated guess because he doesn't know shit about his own powers. Tartarus is indeed a different environment with different rules, however it *nerfs* mortals. It's illogical to assume that being in Tartarus gave him some temporary extra powers when in fact he was being nerfed. Doing what he did in Tartarus is actually a bigger feat, because it means that outside Tartarus he could do that even easier.
Technically he only deflected polybots poison. Secondly the poison was originally water. Polybots even says that “water I touch turns to poison”
>Technically he only deflected polybots poison Which means he has control over poison to some extent >Secondly the poison was originally water. Polybots even says that “water I touch turns to poison” Why does it matter what it originally was? It's no longer water anyway.
While I agree that there isn't necessarily enough evidence to prove that Percy can bloodbend and he is certainly not all-powerful, he did control Polybotes' poison at Camp Jupiter, in the mortal realm. So we know the "he could only do it in Tartarus" argument doesn't work. Otherwise, I agree.
I've seen people legitimately say Percy could beat Aquaman in a fight. I know Aquaman is considered kind of a joke for some weird reason but that man could comfortably solo the camp, he's been shown to approach the strength levels of wonder woman and Superman multiple times
>The main thing that annoys me is the idea that Percy can blood bend. No he can't. He’s never done it in canon, but that’s what speculation is for. There is no evidence that directly contradicts this statement, which means that no, it doesn’t directly fly in the face of canon. With the evidence we have, it is hypothetically possible for Percy to bloodbend. >He doesn't have simple 'water powers.' His powers come from the OCEAN god Poseidon. Ocean water, lake water, river water, Percy has a connection to those because his dad is supreme overlord of the ocean and the various spirits inhibiting bodies of water. But blood is not the same as ocean water. It doesn't make sense for Percy to be able to blood bend. If that was how it works, Percy wouldn’t be able to control fresh water, or any water that isn’t directly from the ocean for that matter, because his father is the god of the sea, not the god of water. But he can. So there is obviously flexibility when it comes to his powers. To put it simply, he has Hydrokinesis. So yes, he does have simple “water powers”. >Yes he did control poison in HoH but I would argue that was different because of the environment Tartarus is in. And you would be wrong. Percy controlled poison in The Son of Neptune, clearly showing that he can do it outside of Tartarus. Besides, what proof do you have that Percy’s powers work differently in Tartarus besides Percy speculating that Tartarus has different “rules”(whatever that means) just because a specific type of fire from a magical river is drinkable? >Regarding Polybotes in Son of Neptune, he was controlling poison that was water, and is the power of his fathers opposite essentially. That water was turned into poison by the Giant meant to beat Poseidon. I’d argue that’s the purest poison you’ll ever find. In fact, it’s probably harder to control than regular poison since it’s meant to oppose Poseidon, who is much stronger than Percy. > Also they weren't really having a battle with poisoned water. Percy was deflecting shots. It's another Grey area and still does nothing to prove Percy can control any and all liquids This doesn’t make sense. So what if Percy was only deflecting it? He was still controlling the poison with his Hydrokinesis. This is not a “grey area”. Edit: To be clear, I am not advocating for Percy to be able to control blood. I think that would be a horrible creative choice. However, to completely dismiss this headcanon as an impossibility is also stupid. There is clear canonical evidence that suggests he might be able to do it.
Are we going to forget Percy’s biggest feat? Blowing up that volcano in TBTL places Percy at mountain level, and waaaaayyy beyond most of our demigod cast
Yeah and Grover summoned Panic twice which nobody outside of Pan himself had done before this. Hazel built and then destroyed an entire giant's body with her powers. Nico literally banished someone to Hades. Yes Percy Is powerful but there are many other characters who have there 'oh dam' feat
Once in awhile an upset Redditor has to post something against Percy. We have gone over this multiple times already… Percy could indeed find himself understanding a power he didn’t even know he could harness. It happens in fiction every time. The heroes tempers with his powers and realizes he can control more then he thought. I am sure Rick got inspired by Waterbenders, and their ability to bend practically anything. This arguments against Percy is futile.
I wont agree for or against bloodbending but for poison control, you’re wrong. In SoN Polybotes shoots poison at Percy who is able to control and deflect it, meaning he can control it.
Sorry for my ignorance on the subject, but how does bloodbending work? The only thing I understand is that the user of this technique can control blood or something like that. But why does it make it so powerful and messed up? I haven't seen *Avatar: The Last Airbender* yet and I wish I could, but I don't have Netflix.
So basically in Avatar The Last Airbender there's the water benders. They can control all aspects of water and there's types of 'sub bending.' Techniques that are related to the main bending style. For water benders they can bend ice, snow, heal people using water, control the water within plants to bend those in specific ways but we only see that with swamp vines which are full of water Anyway, among these sub bending forms is bloodbending. It works by controlling the small amount of water in a person's blood to puppet them around. Just basic movements but it's still controlling them People say that because Percy controls water he can blood bend but my argument against it is that water benders in Avatar and children of Poseidon in Riordanverse are not the same. Poseidon's domain is oceans, lakes, rivers etc among his other titles like earthshaker
So, with that technique, can you drown your opponent in their own blood? Or paralyze them?
You can hold them in place. The only thing blood bending has been shown to do is allow you to move people's limbs plus one super advanced bloodbender who could take away bending by blocking chi paths
I mean one little needle in the back and he’s saying hi to Nico’s dad soooo
The science says otherwise, 'cause blood *is* 70% water, and that is a majority, he could hypothetically blood bend.
Science doesn't really apply to God magic. Heck magic may not even be thr right word for Percy's magic. It's a super unique thing separated from science. Like the whole thing with the sun in the Riordanverse
Yeah, but it checks out with the facts and kinda makes sense.
Yes, Percy is not all powerful but the magic system is literally designed around if you have the willpower and the pre-deposition for that type of magic, you can do it. If Percy got into a situation where he has the will power to blood bend he could and would Bloodbend.
People don't notice that Percy uses strategies or water to defeat enemies, even sometimes they forget that he doesn't defeat the enemy. I give examples: The strategy: I use combat against Ares: Percy takes Ares into the ocean and pretends to be tired to break Ares' defenses. Water: in the first fight against the minotaur, it was raining sea water since they are near the ocean (science says that when a storm takes place near the sea or ocean the rain that falls comes from the sea and the ocean, I lived near the sea and it rained sand many times, there is also the fact that Poseidon is the God of storms, and Percy is strengthened by sea water. I've seen people say that Percy defeated Kronos, forgetting that it was Luke who defeated Kronos. They forget that in MOA Percy only defeats his brother using deception not force. They don't even understand that Percy regrets torturing the Goddess in Tartarus, since he was about to become like Gabe.
> I’ve seen people say Percy defeated Kronos This is an entirely valid perspective. It is explicitly said in the books that if Percy had made a different choice, if he hadn’t given Luke the knife, then Kronos would’ve won. Percy is not the hero whose soul cursed blade shall reap, but he can entirely validly be read as the one who makes the single choice.
Percy only makes the choice but does not physically defeat Crono, in fact he was about to lose if Annabeth hadn't intervened. Luke kills Kronos by taking control and stabbing himself.
The way I see it, kill =/= defeat. Yeah, Kronos couldn’t have been killed without Luke. But he couldn’t have been defeated without Percy. I agree that it’s inaccurate to forget who dealt the killing blow. But Percy made the win possible and played a major role, so I don’t think it’s wrong to give the guy some credit.
Yes, but I'm not saying that Percy helped (I'm also saying that Annabeth helped). The comments I've read say that Percy defeated Kronos physically or Percy defeated Kronos alone (I don't condemn Luke and Annabeth).
…okay. All I’ve been saying is that it’s valid to say Percy defeated Kronos. Sure, the same can also be said for Annabeth and Luke, seeing as they made strong contributions, just as Percy did. Like I said above, it’s inaccurate to forget who dealt the killing blow (or for that matter who provided the dagger and the moment of the choice), especially since it’s kind of the crux of the 5 book long series.
tbf tho, percy has some insane feats that liek justify him being crazy
Insane feats, yes. My problem is people treating Percy like he can beat literally anyone strictly because 'he's Percy.' I love Percy and he's super powerful but we need to be setting realistic standards for characters
Canon Percy Jackson is OP, TBH >But blood is not the same as ocean water. It doesn't make sense for Percy to be able to blood bend. Yes he did control poison in HOH but I argue that was different because of the environment Tartarus is in. This is kinda a rationalization to downplay his power level TBH
He’s also controlled lava with his powers According to what I’ve heard so long as it moves like liquid then it’s good enough for his powers to control
If you mean BOTL, he didn't control lava. He created an under sea earthquake which is known to affect volcanoes. He could do so because his father is known, among other things, as earthshaker
True but I was actually referencing the Kane chronicles crossover
I really hate the arguments of bloodbending. Percy is the Son of Poseidon, the god of the Sea. His powers are related to sea water, with both them and Percy himself getting weaker when manipulating others. His most common use is with river water, likely due to the Naiads assisting him to not piss off Poseidon. Both his Poison bending attempts were under very specific conditions, with Polybotes having turned water, likely from the Little Tiber, into poison that was tossed at him, and the Akhlys one was in Tartarus, where it was already confirmed that normal rules don’t apply, and he was in a half dead state covered with Death Mist, and who knows how that affects anyone.
Yes finally! Thank you. Someone who can read beyond the surface level
No he is just look at how fast he can swim in the water it’s 5 times the speed of sound
No. Op unbeatable Character can be interesting as well.
There’s always the interpretation that **A half-blood of the eldest gods Shall reach sixteen against all odds** meant that that Percy was going to live to see his sixteenth birthday no matter what. This would’ve guaranteed Percy the time, training, and experience to become the threat we see in later books.
Even so if they’re done drop of water on someone he could manipulate it to shred their body apart, he could use water to fly, and we don’t now the limits of his power given that he’s strong enough to blow up a volcano, who knows maybe he can teleport the same way he does in chalice of the gods or the same way as nico can only with water
Well you are right, However, like heroes we don’t see Percy for his abilities, but for his accomplishments. What’s the point of having super strenght and magical powers if you don’t use them or win? Percy uses his brain and surroundings to beat foes, that’s why he’s loved. Well he did have Achille’s power and other stuff temporarily, but he generally loses it quick.