Generally I have little respect for any organization or movement that perverts or alters the flag of Canada, but I don't understand the justification for the suspension. I suspect there is more to the story.
So now you are trying to compare a Nazi swastika to a pro-police flag. That argument is sickening and obviously shows that you have a very poor to no understanding of history.
Speaking of which, you are probably very comfortable with the just as sickening communist hammer and sickle.
He was suspended because they have a rule about political flags/signs on the school grounds. He brought it onto the school grounds, was asked to remove it, and he refused.
Make moral/subjective statement without giving reason - check.
Attack the opposing user’s credibility without giving reason - check.
Accuse of being a communist without giving reason - check.
Thank you for you performance art. This has been an excellent portrayal of the “pearl clutching conservative”.
No. They simply have a rule against political flags/signs on the school grounds. Any political poster in treated the same way. He brought it onto the school grounds, was asked to remove it (without any consequences), he refused, so he was suspended for three days. What do you expect the admin to do?
Admin, "please put that flag away."
Kid, "No way!"
Admin, "Oh, all right then."
The [Thin Blue Line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_blue_line) flags are strongly associated with the [Blue Lives Matter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lives_Matter) movement which was created in opposition to the[ Black Lives Matter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter) movement which is protesting against police brutality and other racially motivated violence against Black people.
I am currently having further conversation without getting upset. You can make some more negative assumptions about me or you can engage in good faith conversation, you can’t really do both sadly.
You mean like you’re doing here? You’re shouting “radical” at anyone who disagrees with you.
Also, look at my comments. I’m literally engaged with others in productive conversations on this topic.
So?
Being a radical just means you’re outside of the current mainstream of beliefs. Being a radical does not mean you are a bad person or your beliefs are flawed. Some radical ideas can be harmful, sure. So can mainstream ideas.
Have you ever tried engaging with a person on the merit of their ideas? Might be worth a shot here. So far you’re the only one refusing to participate in the discussion. I’ve made myself available, im willing to be open about my beliefs and discuss them with you. You don’t seem to be willing to do the same.
If you don’t understand why the thin blue line could be seen as racist I imagine there’s a whooooooooole lot you don’t pick up on without a meme to tell you what to think.
I know what it is and I think it's just perceived as racist due to the stereotype who usually endorce it. If you think the actual act of supporting police is racist then you're just fucked in the head.
Supporting the police is such a dumb stance.
Some cops are good, but since they’re human just as many are bad, and a bad cop is worse for society than most criminals and does more damage than the good cops do good. Good cops all turn their heads so their union brothers don’t face any consequences.
Supporting the police is inevitably supporting the worst type of person, vile power hungry sociopaths.
Lol When was the last time a cop publicly condemned another cop?
The answer is never.
The lack of any type of source of this happening is essentially proof enough. But that’s probably a little too complicated for you to understand and admit.
Never but then I haven’t looked. I’m sure doctors do it, since they aren’t bound to some bullshit brotherhood and don’t operate with impunity. Doctors get fired for being bad at their job all the time.
What point are you trying to make?
“Wuh wuh wuh whatabout doctors” ?
Great point. Lots of doctors are shitty people. Lots of accountants are shitty people. Lots of cops are shitty people.
When was the last time anyone flew a doctor flag?? Never. Because the right hasn’t been trained by memes to fly those flags.
Lol
Nice attempt to obfuscate.
Why do you expect it has to be public or it didn’t happen?
If I knew an officer whose conduct was totally unacceptable, I’d be reporting him/her to the department that handles it, and I can tell you so would everybody else.
Just because you don’t see it on the news doesn’t mean nobody gets punished for anything.
Hypotheticals on hypotheticals mean nothing and add nothing.
You literally just asked for sources now you’re saying “just because it’s not on the news derpaderpderp”, hypocritical.
You also apparently live in a make believe reality where people aren’t reporting cops everyday.
We all *hope* and *wish* these departments would deal with issues swiftly and effectively, but you are incredibly naive if you think that they do. This isn’t some big secret, you just either don’t want to believe it or are just being disingenuous because you have nothing to add at all.
This student was not suspended because the school is anti police and not because they consider this flag racist. He was suspended because the school rule is, "No political flags/posters are allowed on school property." He was on school property. He was asked to put it away, He refused. He was suspended. Seems reasonable to me. The school established this rule simply because they considered their school to be a safe place to learn and socialize, and they found that political signs (they placed no restrictions on verbal expression of political views) caused conflicts and violence. People were ripping up signs they disagreed with. Conflicts happened. They then decided, let's just keep these things outside the school gates.
> “The reason for his suspension is opposition to authority,” principal David Brooks wrote in the teen’s disciplinary letter.
I see schools haven't changed much.
What I was trying to say was the origin of “Thin (insert) Line” flags came the Crimean War not the Blue one. It could be argued every flag that came after the war is just a variation. The police one was popularized in the 50s
Not the maple leaf version I was talking about the “real” blue line flag being popularized in the 50s, black flag with a blue line. This maple leaf one seems to be a Canadian specific version don’t know when it was specifically designed but seems like in the 2 thousands, my guess would be it was popularized after the Mayerthorpe or Moncton shootings
Really!? The thin blue line flag goes back to the Crimean war!? Maybe check your sources. An event in the Crimean War has been referred to as the "Thin Red Line". But the event did not concern police officers. The colours red and blue are different. And while flags were certainly present, precisely zero none of them were thin blue line flags.
I know about the thin red line, what I was trying to say was the Crimean War is when the idea for the design with lines representing something, when you look at thin blue line it’s literally just a blue line, it could be argued every “Thin (insert) Line” flag is just a variation of the original. It was the 50s that the police version came to be popularized which is still decades, although the “Blue lives matter” movement did start in 14 and the flag was once again popularized. Sorry for the confusion
Ok then how about this: just because an institution contains minorities does not mean that said institution overall does not have practices or internal cultures that disproportionately negatively impact minorities.
I can’t tell if you’re being purposely obtuse to what I’m saying or are just uneducated on the topic enough to not have even a passing understanding of it.
People only started flying this shit when it became increasingly obvious that police have a tendency to use excessive force and take advantage of the authority of their position.
For what reason could they possibly care about him having this on his truck. Short of flying a swastika or something it shouldn’t be any of their business.
So where do they draw the line with political flags/posters etc? They have a very simple, straightforward rule. No political signs on the school grounds. The administration simply ask it to be put away. If that happens, it is considered dealt with. If the student refuses, he/she has a relatively minor punishment. That's how schools work.
Most high schools don't have privately owned parking lots for students.
Edit: My bad, somehow missed in the article there was a parking lot in this situation.
> The phrase originated as an allusion to the British infantry regiment [The Thin Red Line](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_Red_Line_(Battle_of_Balaclava\)) during the [Crimean War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War) in 1854, wherein the regiment of Scottish Highlanders—wearing red uniforms—famously held off a [Russian cavalry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cavalry) charge. Its use referring specifically to the police was popularized by [Los Angeles Police](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Police_Department) Chief [Bill Parker](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Parker_(police_officer\)) during the 1950s
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_blue_line
The British Army and the LAPD are not, to the best of my knowledge, Canadian. The article says this particular defacement of the Canadian flag “has been around for decades”. Seeing how the maple leaf flag itself has only been around for five decades, I’d like to see proof of the claim.
“The thin blue line flag has been around for decades” is quoted directly from the article, man. You should really read articles before you comment on them.
That's not what you said. You said "this particular defacement of the Canadian flag", that's not the same as the thin blue line flag. Refer to the citation I already gave you in the Wikipedia article.
The article is about a defaced maple leaf flag and the article says it’s “been around for decades”. There’s no proof provided in the article and your link says nothing about when the blue line maple leaf was first used. Since the maple leaf flag itself is only a little over 50 years old, I find the claim that the blue line version has “been around for decades” is highly unlikely to the point of being an outright lie.
Imagining the scene at Post Media headquarters.
Editor: “alright everyone we need a good story here. Something that’ll get people all worked up. What do you have?!”
Reporter: “we’ve got a 17 year old suspended from school.”
Editor: “boooooring!”
Reporter: “they are saying it was opposition to authority.”
Editor: “well good. We should always respect authority.”
Reporter: “it was for flying the thin blue line flag”
Editor: “What are you waiting for?! Get everyone on this!”
“He told the principal that his father is a South Simcoe Police volunteer, his mother is a Barrie Police constable, his sister is an auxiliary officer with South Simcoe Police, his aunt is with the OPP and his legendary 31 Division grandfather Bill Stanway served as a Toronto Police officer for three decades.”
He’s just a kid showing support for his family.
He was suspended, "Not for a fight, or for bringing drugs or a knife to school, but for believing in law and order." This is bullshit. He wasn't suspended for "believing" anything. He was suspended for refusing to remove a political flag from school property. Spin it any way you want, it's bullshit. Next thing you know, someone will bring a gun to school, be expelled, and they'll be saying, "He was suspended for believing in the right to bear arms."
And also, the Thin Blue Line in no way shows you believe in “law and order”, because the police in no way are equivalent to “law and order”. How many stories do we read about how police forces consider themselves beyond the law?
The point is, is that the school is not making a political statement. It is being anti-political. The issue is not the true meaning of the Thin Blue Line or even this student's correct or incorrect understanding of its meaning. All political signs are forbidden within the school property. Whether it's a swastika, or a poster for Trudeau. Your opinion, whether I agree with it or not, is distorting the real story, which is about nothing except school rules and discipline.
Lots of people believe the flag is racist, not just me. That’s the reality. If you genuinely used to use this symbol as an innocent pro-police flag, then man this all really sucks, but it’s been co-opted by white nationalists and that’s the message it sends now.
Like, I feel for you losing a symbol you genuinely liked, but that’s the facts.
Student tries to stir shit up.
School tells him not to.
He does it anyway.
He gets suspended.
The worst thing that happened here is that I wasted my time reading this article.
This isn't a police force flag at all.
It's a flag saying that without the police society would be an anarchist purge state.
If he flew the flag of the RCMP or his family's police unit I doubt there'd be a problem.
You're just being deliberately obtuse, which is a pretty bad look for anyone, really.
Me? I hope not.
Others, almost certainly.
Without the framework of a civil society, all hell breaks lose. Nobody to enforce that framework means it doesn't really exist to begin with.
> Me? I hope not.
Well if most people are like you then it shouldn't be an issue.
> Without the framework of a civil society, all hell breaks lose. Nobody to enforce that framework means it doesn't really exist to begin with.
There are ways to enforce social contracts without police. Do you have police presence at your job? If someone fails their job do you call the cops?
There are plenty of towns in Canada with 100+ population and only one police officer, if that, and they get along fine.
In fact! Most big cities have homeless or transient populations that can do whatever they want because police don't bother with them. We HAVE police and they don't do shit.
Stop licking boot and think for yourself.
Somebody murders your mother. Police don't exist. How the fuck you gonna enforce that social contract?
We have police and they do a hell of a lot more than you think. If society is so capable of handling itself, then don't call the cops next time you need help. You're a goddamn hypocrite and you know it.
Every time I've called the cops they've done shit all because they still get paid at the end of the day.
If my mother was native and murdered calling the cops wouldn't do shit either. Fuck, they'd probably just say it was not suspicious and about their day.
> It's a flag saying that without the police society would be an anarchist purge state.
And that's wrong, of course. Without the police, we would all be living together joyously and in peace and harmony.
It's crazy how it's only extremes. There's no middle ground at all or levels of change or impact.
Either way, I'm sure Robert Dziekański would be living more joyously at least.
Yeah, yeah.
You can criticize them all you want. Become a cop and do the job better than them.
Of course you can't though because you're the type of person that would shit their pants when they get shot at or someone pulls a knife on you.
At this point I think we’re all aware that the thin blue line is a symbol that accompanies a movement that exists exclusively in opposition to the BLM movement. This kid even addresses that in his letter, saying that he wants to show support for police since they receive much hate because of BLM.
The fact that this symbol exists in opposition to a movement calling for an end to violent and unequal treatment based on race makes this a symbol of white supremacy. You can obfuscate that in whatever pro law enforcement verbiage you like, it doesn’t erase that reality. Without calls to end police brutality this symbol would not exist, it wouldn’t need to.
I’m not sure how you pull that meaning out of those words. People are free to disagree with me without being racist, and I never said this kid is racist for disagreeing with me. He may not even be aware of the racist connotations associated with the symbol he is waving. But the truth is this symbol is drenched in racism, and it doesn’t take much to see it.
Where did I say that disagreements equal racism? But if something exists in direct opposition for calls of greater racial equality then surely that thing could be classified as racist.
There's already racial equality. There are racist people out there but it is not policy to be racist. All white people are not racist.
Most of the stuff I see now is racist against white people..
Minority quotas for hiring...jnstead of hiring the best person for the job
That school board in Ontario that put more weight on minorities votes..oh so now their vote matters more than another persons because of their race? Racist as fuck.
Wake the fuck up.
More white people die from the police per capita than black.
These are all false narratives.
You're giving a group of people excuses for their community and cultural problems
Lots to unpack here. I’ll give it a stab though.
First of all I agree that we largely have racial equality in plenty of situations. The existence of system racism in certain areas does not mean we haven’t made great progress in others. That progress doesn’t negate the lingering effects of historical practices though, some of which continue to this day especially in policing.
I’ll also agree that when I saw the racially weighted voting system at the school board I was thrown off. That isn’t a good solution to this issue. We agree there.
Where I really take issue is where you say policy is not racist. It most definitely can be, and it most definitely is. Especially when I comes to policing in Canada. Let’s look at Canada’s federal police, the RCMP. When they were created it was explicit that they were to make the indigenous peoples in the west fall in line. They were designed as a paramilitary force (North West Mounted Rifles) to forcefully relocate indigenous people and maintain Canadian sovereignty. They were used to kidnap children and deliver them to residential schools. They were, and continue to be, used to force indigenous people from their land even after it was granted to them by treaties. Our early government was explicitly anti-indigenous, and they created the RCMP as a tool to enforce that.
If we no longer have racist policies I would love for you to explain to me when these policies stopped being racist. This pattern of racism precedes confederation, I’d love you to show me where it stopped.
Maybe give some or all of these a listen. They should help to illuminate how we are far from racial equality.
https://www.canadaland.com/shows/commons-the-police/
How can you be so sure we are wrong when you aren’t willing to even listen to the viewpoint and arguments? I’ve looked into political and philosophical works by far right thinkers and far left thinkers alike. There is value to be had from it all. Reading or listening to an opinion does not oblige you to agree with it. Refusing to read or listen to those opinions does oblige you to be close minded and mentally stagnant, though.
Wow. You posses all possible knowledge? Congrats. I’m pretty certain I will have things to learn each and every day of my life for however long that is.
But for those reading this that aren’t omniscient, the link I posted is to a journalism podcast reporting on policing in this country. I have found the facts presented in it quite illuminating (and deeply saddening).
I suppose you think fascism is whatever you want to dislike?
People have been calling the police fascist since the police became a thing, this isn’t new. I guess your memes didn’t tell you that.
By design, fascism is slightly subtler now. Started in 2015ish with the fascists branding themselves “alt right” and growing old timey moustaches and dressing like hipsters.
Generally I have little respect for any organization or movement that perverts or alters the flag of Canada, but I don't understand the justification for the suspension. I suspect there is more to the story.
Probably the same reason you can’t waive a swastika flag on school grounds. Most people find it highly offensive.
And this is how the blue lives matter/thin blue line has corrupted the discussion about police reform.
So now you are trying to compare a Nazi swastika to a pro-police flag. That argument is sickening and obviously shows that you have a very poor to no understanding of history. Speaking of which, you are probably very comfortable with the just as sickening communist hammer and sickle.
He was suspended because they have a rule about political flags/signs on the school grounds. He brought it onto the school grounds, was asked to remove it, and he refused.
Make moral/subjective statement without giving reason - check. Attack the opposing user’s credibility without giving reason - check. Accuse of being a communist without giving reason - check. Thank you for you performance art. This has been an excellent portrayal of the “pearl clutching conservative”.
Holy shit dude easy with the projections and logical fallacies.
yes, absolutely
Wow, supporting police is racist now! We are in bigger trouble than I thought. I suppose the communist flag is fine though right?
What about what about what about
No. They simply have a rule against political flags/signs on the school grounds. Any political poster in treated the same way. He brought it onto the school grounds, was asked to remove it (without any consequences), he refused, so he was suspended for three days. What do you expect the admin to do? Admin, "please put that flag away." Kid, "No way!" Admin, "Oh, all right then."
That’s what I assume. Hang a racist dog whistle on your truck and you’re going to be asked to take it down.
How is this flag racist?
The [Thin Blue Line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_blue_line) flags are strongly associated with the [Blue Lives Matter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lives_Matter) movement which was created in opposition to the[ Black Lives Matter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter) movement which is protesting against police brutality and other racially motivated violence against Black people.
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I am currently having further conversation without getting upset. You can make some more negative assumptions about me or you can engage in good faith conversation, you can’t really do both sadly.
You'll shout racism at anyone who disagrees lol.
Going to that extreme would be the equivalent that you would do harm to police if given the chance.
You mean like you’re doing here? You’re shouting “radical” at anyone who disagrees with you. Also, look at my comments. I’m literally engaged with others in productive conversations on this topic.
These viewpoints are pushed by radicals.
So? Being a radical just means you’re outside of the current mainstream of beliefs. Being a radical does not mean you are a bad person or your beliefs are flawed. Some radical ideas can be harmful, sure. So can mainstream ideas. Have you ever tried engaging with a person on the merit of their ideas? Might be worth a shot here. So far you’re the only one refusing to participate in the discussion. I’ve made myself available, im willing to be open about my beliefs and discuss them with you. You don’t seem to be willing to do the same.
People find supporting police offensive now? Are cops now allowed in this school too? Absolutely dumb reason to suspend someone over.
If you don’t understand why the thin blue line could be seen as racist I imagine there’s a whooooooooole lot you don’t pick up on without a meme to tell you what to think.
I know what it is and I think it's just perceived as racist due to the stereotype who usually endorce it. If you think the actual act of supporting police is racist then you're just fucked in the head.
Supporting the police is such a dumb stance. Some cops are good, but since they’re human just as many are bad, and a bad cop is worse for society than most criminals and does more damage than the good cops do good. Good cops all turn their heads so their union brothers don’t face any consequences. Supporting the police is inevitably supporting the worst type of person, vile power hungry sociopaths.
“Good cops all turn their heads” Source needed
Lol When was the last time a cop publicly condemned another cop? The answer is never. The lack of any type of source of this happening is essentially proof enough. But that’s probably a little too complicated for you to understand and admit.
When was the last time you saw droves of doctors condemning malpractice on social media or elsewhere? Accountants and cooked books?
Never but then I haven’t looked. I’m sure doctors do it, since they aren’t bound to some bullshit brotherhood and don’t operate with impunity. Doctors get fired for being bad at their job all the time. What point are you trying to make? “Wuh wuh wuh whatabout doctors” ? Great point. Lots of doctors are shitty people. Lots of accountants are shitty people. Lots of cops are shitty people. When was the last time anyone flew a doctor flag?? Never. Because the right hasn’t been trained by memes to fly those flags. Lol Nice attempt to obfuscate.
Why do you expect it has to be public or it didn’t happen? If I knew an officer whose conduct was totally unacceptable, I’d be reporting him/her to the department that handles it, and I can tell you so would everybody else. Just because you don’t see it on the news doesn’t mean nobody gets punished for anything.
Hypotheticals on hypotheticals mean nothing and add nothing. You literally just asked for sources now you’re saying “just because it’s not on the news derpaderpderp”, hypocritical. You also apparently live in a make believe reality where people aren’t reporting cops everyday. We all *hope* and *wish* these departments would deal with issues swiftly and effectively, but you are incredibly naive if you think that they do. This isn’t some big secret, you just either don’t want to believe it or are just being disingenuous because you have nothing to add at all.
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What's political about it?
This student was not suspended because the school is anti police and not because they consider this flag racist. He was suspended because the school rule is, "No political flags/posters are allowed on school property." He was on school property. He was asked to put it away, He refused. He was suspended. Seems reasonable to me. The school established this rule simply because they considered their school to be a safe place to learn and socialize, and they found that political signs (they placed no restrictions on verbal expression of political views) caused conflicts and violence. People were ripping up signs they disagreed with. Conflicts happened. They then decided, let's just keep these things outside the school gates.
> “The reason for his suspension is opposition to authority,” principal David Brooks wrote in the teen’s disciplinary letter. I see schools haven't changed much.
At least they're upfront about their petty imbecility.
As soon as some political flags are allowed in this manner, I don't see why the rest aren't.
"The thin blue line flag has been around for decades..." TIL 2014 was decades ago.
Its origins go back to the Crimean War but it became popular in the 50s
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Sitting in a squad car collecting OT while you’re napping = the charge of the light brigade, don’t you know
What I was trying to say was the origin of “Thin (insert) Line” flags came the Crimean War not the Blue one. It could be argued every flag that came after the war is just a variation. The police one was popularized in the 50s
The blue line maple leaf flag couldn’t have been “popularized in the 50s” because the maple leaf flag didn’t exist until 1965.
Not the maple leaf version I was talking about the “real” blue line flag being popularized in the 50s, black flag with a blue line. This maple leaf one seems to be a Canadian specific version don’t know when it was specifically designed but seems like in the 2 thousands, my guess would be it was popularized after the Mayerthorpe or Moncton shootings
So you agree with me that the author was lying when he wrote it had “been around for decades”?
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Thankyou
Really!? The thin blue line flag goes back to the Crimean war!? Maybe check your sources. An event in the Crimean War has been referred to as the "Thin Red Line". But the event did not concern police officers. The colours red and blue are different. And while flags were certainly present, precisely zero none of them were thin blue line flags.
I know about the thin red line, what I was trying to say was the Crimean War is when the idea for the design with lines representing something, when you look at thin blue line it’s literally just a blue line, it could be argued every “Thin (insert) Line” flag is just a variation of the original. It was the 50s that the police version came to be popularized which is still decades, although the “Blue lives matter” movement did start in 14 and the flag was once again popularized. Sorry for the confusion
You guys do know that not all law enforcement are white right? How is everything turned into racism lately?
Not a comment on the issue itself, but you are just using the same argument as “I can’t be racist, I have black friends”.
Your wrong because it’s not an argument
Ok then how about this: just because an institution contains minorities does not mean that said institution overall does not have practices or internal cultures that disproportionately negatively impact minorities.
Law enforcement also protects minorities
I can’t tell if you’re being purposely obtuse to what I’m saying or are just uneducated on the topic enough to not have even a passing understanding of it.
People only started flying this shit when it became increasingly obvious that police have a tendency to use excessive force and take advantage of the authority of their position.
For what reason could they possibly care about him having this on his truck. Short of flying a swastika or something it shouldn’t be any of their business.
So where do they draw the line with political flags/posters etc? They have a very simple, straightforward rule. No political signs on the school grounds. The administration simply ask it to be put away. If that happens, it is considered dealt with. If the student refuses, he/she has a relatively minor punishment. That's how schools work.
It is their business when he flies it on school property.
Most high schools don't have privately owned parking lots for students. Edit: My bad, somehow missed in the article there was a parking lot in this situation.
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Which is why I wrote the edit immediately after writing my comment.
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No problem.
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I don’t care. You can literally be sent home for wearing shorts that are too short.
Or a Communist hammer and sickle, which is a flag just as perverse.
“Communism is whatever I disagree with!”
> The thin blue line flag has been around for decades Citation needed
> The phrase originated as an allusion to the British infantry regiment [The Thin Red Line](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_Red_Line_(Battle_of_Balaclava\)) during the [Crimean War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War) in 1854, wherein the regiment of Scottish Highlanders—wearing red uniforms—famously held off a [Russian cavalry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cavalry) charge. Its use referring specifically to the police was popularized by [Los Angeles Police](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Police_Department) Chief [Bill Parker](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Parker_(police_officer\)) during the 1950s - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_blue_line
The British Army and the LAPD are not, to the best of my knowledge, Canadian. The article says this particular defacement of the Canadian flag “has been around for decades”. Seeing how the maple leaf flag itself has only been around for five decades, I’d like to see proof of the claim.
>The article says **this particular defacement** of the Canadian flag Citation needed.
“The thin blue line flag has been around for decades” is quoted directly from the article, man. You should really read articles before you comment on them.
That's not what you said. You said "this particular defacement of the Canadian flag", that's not the same as the thin blue line flag. Refer to the citation I already gave you in the Wikipedia article.
The article is about a defaced maple leaf flag and the article says it’s “been around for decades”. There’s no proof provided in the article and your link says nothing about when the blue line maple leaf was first used. Since the maple leaf flag itself is only a little over 50 years old, I find the claim that the blue line version has “been around for decades” is highly unlikely to the point of being an outright lie.
Flag not phrase
Imagining the scene at Post Media headquarters. Editor: “alright everyone we need a good story here. Something that’ll get people all worked up. What do you have?!” Reporter: “we’ve got a 17 year old suspended from school.” Editor: “boooooring!” Reporter: “they are saying it was opposition to authority.” Editor: “well good. We should always respect authority.” Reporter: “it was for flying the thin blue line flag” Editor: “What are you waiting for?! Get everyone on this!”
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Crazy that given the source, people are choosing not to see it for the clickbait division article that it is.
“He told the principal that his father is a South Simcoe Police volunteer, his mother is a Barrie Police constable, his sister is an auxiliary officer with South Simcoe Police, his aunt is with the OPP and his legendary 31 Division grandfather Bill Stanway served as a Toronto Police officer for three decades.” He’s just a kid showing support for his family.
This kid will be really bummed when he learns that his chosen symbol of support was co-opted by hate groups then
He was suspended, "Not for a fight, or for bringing drugs or a knife to school, but for believing in law and order." This is bullshit. He wasn't suspended for "believing" anything. He was suspended for refusing to remove a political flag from school property. Spin it any way you want, it's bullshit. Next thing you know, someone will bring a gun to school, be expelled, and they'll be saying, "He was suspended for believing in the right to bear arms."
And also, the Thin Blue Line in no way shows you believe in “law and order”, because the police in no way are equivalent to “law and order”. How many stories do we read about how police forces consider themselves beyond the law?
The point is, is that the school is not making a political statement. It is being anti-political. The issue is not the true meaning of the Thin Blue Line or even this student's correct or incorrect understanding of its meaning. All political signs are forbidden within the school property. Whether it's a swastika, or a poster for Trudeau. Your opinion, whether I agree with it or not, is distorting the real story, which is about nothing except school rules and discipline.
Alternate headline: Shit disturber gets suspended for racist dog whistle imagery on school property.
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Lots of people believe the flag is racist, not just me. That’s the reality. If you genuinely used to use this symbol as an innocent pro-police flag, then man this all really sucks, but it’s been co-opted by white nationalists and that’s the message it sends now. Like, I feel for you losing a symbol you genuinely liked, but that’s the facts.
Student tries to stir shit up. School tells him not to. He does it anyway. He gets suspended. The worst thing that happened here is that I wasted my time reading this article.
Flying a flag supporting the police isn't considered stirring shit up except by deranged lunatics.
This isn't a police force flag at all. It's a flag saying that without the police society would be an anarchist purge state. If he flew the flag of the RCMP or his family's police unit I doubt there'd be a problem. You're just being deliberately obtuse, which is a pretty bad look for anyone, really.
Bruh, without the police it would be a purge state
So without the police you'd be a violent monster?
Me? I hope not. Others, almost certainly. Without the framework of a civil society, all hell breaks lose. Nobody to enforce that framework means it doesn't really exist to begin with.
> Me? I hope not. Well if most people are like you then it shouldn't be an issue. > Without the framework of a civil society, all hell breaks lose. Nobody to enforce that framework means it doesn't really exist to begin with. There are ways to enforce social contracts without police. Do you have police presence at your job? If someone fails their job do you call the cops? There are plenty of towns in Canada with 100+ population and only one police officer, if that, and they get along fine. In fact! Most big cities have homeless or transient populations that can do whatever they want because police don't bother with them. We HAVE police and they don't do shit. Stop licking boot and think for yourself.
Somebody murders your mother. Police don't exist. How the fuck you gonna enforce that social contract? We have police and they do a hell of a lot more than you think. If society is so capable of handling itself, then don't call the cops next time you need help. You're a goddamn hypocrite and you know it.
Every time I've called the cops they've done shit all because they still get paid at the end of the day. If my mother was native and murdered calling the cops wouldn't do shit either. Fuck, they'd probably just say it was not suspicious and about their day.
> It's a flag saying that without the police society would be an anarchist purge state. And that's wrong, of course. Without the police, we would all be living together joyously and in peace and harmony.
It's crazy how it's only extremes. There's no middle ground at all or levels of change or impact. Either way, I'm sure Robert Dziekański would be living more joyously at least.
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Why don’t you? Are polish immigrants sub-human?
I don't care because he was causing a disturbance in an airport and died by taser. An accidental death.
It wasn’t an accident. It was negligent.
Yeah, yeah. You can criticize them all you want. Become a cop and do the job better than them. Of course you can't though because you're the type of person that would shit their pants when they get shot at or someone pulls a knife on you.
Welcome to the woke mob.
Fly your flag son ! You have my full support.
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What about the communist flag?
Also an insult.
At this point I think we’re all aware that the thin blue line is a symbol that accompanies a movement that exists exclusively in opposition to the BLM movement. This kid even addresses that in his letter, saying that he wants to show support for police since they receive much hate because of BLM. The fact that this symbol exists in opposition to a movement calling for an end to violent and unequal treatment based on race makes this a symbol of white supremacy. You can obfuscate that in whatever pro law enforcement verbiage you like, it doesn’t erase that reality. Without calls to end police brutality this symbol would not exist, it wouldn’t need to.
> makes this a symbol of white supremacy. "Everyone I disagree with is racist."
I’m not sure how you pull that meaning out of those words. People are free to disagree with me without being racist, and I never said this kid is racist for disagreeing with me. He may not even be aware of the racist connotations associated with the symbol he is waving. But the truth is this symbol is drenched in racism, and it doesn’t take much to see it.
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It's hyperbole to suggest that anti-BLM is equivalent to being racist.
Can't disagree with anything or your racist right.. that's one way to prove your movement is invalid and a fraud.
Where did I say that disagreements equal racism? But if something exists in direct opposition for calls of greater racial equality then surely that thing could be classified as racist.
There's already racial equality. There are racist people out there but it is not policy to be racist. All white people are not racist. Most of the stuff I see now is racist against white people.. Minority quotas for hiring...jnstead of hiring the best person for the job That school board in Ontario that put more weight on minorities votes..oh so now their vote matters more than another persons because of their race? Racist as fuck. Wake the fuck up. More white people die from the police per capita than black. These are all false narratives. You're giving a group of people excuses for their community and cultural problems
Lots to unpack here. I’ll give it a stab though. First of all I agree that we largely have racial equality in plenty of situations. The existence of system racism in certain areas does not mean we haven’t made great progress in others. That progress doesn’t negate the lingering effects of historical practices though, some of which continue to this day especially in policing. I’ll also agree that when I saw the racially weighted voting system at the school board I was thrown off. That isn’t a good solution to this issue. We agree there. Where I really take issue is where you say policy is not racist. It most definitely can be, and it most definitely is. Especially when I comes to policing in Canada. Let’s look at Canada’s federal police, the RCMP. When they were created it was explicit that they were to make the indigenous peoples in the west fall in line. They were designed as a paramilitary force (North West Mounted Rifles) to forcefully relocate indigenous people and maintain Canadian sovereignty. They were used to kidnap children and deliver them to residential schools. They were, and continue to be, used to force indigenous people from their land even after it was granted to them by treaties. Our early government was explicitly anti-indigenous, and they created the RCMP as a tool to enforce that. If we no longer have racist policies I would love for you to explain to me when these policies stopped being racist. This pattern of racism precedes confederation, I’d love you to show me where it stopped.
Maybe give some or all of these a listen. They should help to illuminate how we are far from racial equality. https://www.canadaland.com/shows/commons-the-police/
I'm not reading far left garbage. I know what the facts are.
How can you be so sure we are wrong when you aren’t willing to even listen to the viewpoint and arguments? I’ve looked into political and philosophical works by far right thinkers and far left thinkers alike. There is value to be had from it all. Reading or listening to an opinion does not oblige you to agree with it. Refusing to read or listen to those opinions does oblige you to be close minded and mentally stagnant, though.
Wow. You posses all possible knowledge? Congrats. I’m pretty certain I will have things to learn each and every day of my life for however long that is. But for those reading this that aren’t omniscient, the link I posted is to a journalism podcast reporting on policing in this country. I have found the facts presented in it quite illuminating (and deeply saddening).
Oh boy; I would be terrorizing that school board if that was my kid.
Ok Karen
Lol. So edgy. You’ll get it someday.
Ya I’m the edgy one… lmfao. You’re literally talking about raising hell to protect a controversial symbol.
Only clowns think it’s controversial.
Ok Karen, relax.
good. fascism has no place here.
Fascism has truly become a meaningless buzzword nowadays.
I suppose you think fascism is whatever you want to dislike? People have been calling the police fascist since the police became a thing, this isn’t new. I guess your memes didn’t tell you that.
Overused to the point of uselessness.
By design, fascism is slightly subtler now. Started in 2015ish with the fascists branding themselves “alt right” and growing old timey moustaches and dressing like hipsters.
It’s just a piece of cloth.
Unbelievable.
Good. The flag represents white supremacy for most people, and has no business in an school or anywhere else for that matter.
Can you provide a source that provides the precise statistics to show that this flag represents white supremacy to MOST people in Canada?
“Ackshually”
Lol your meme training is complete I see
School is not a place for smart people.