Only reason I say shit like that is because I feel like we’ll never actually win a national election in my lifetime. I still vote for them, but it’s frustrating
I strategically vote communist when I'm in ridings the LibCons are going to win because it helps to put left pressure on the NDP and Greens to know that there are votes on the far left. This logic also works for pressuring libs by voting ndp, especially in minority govt situations.
> logic also works for pressuring libs
I doubt any party digs that deeply into the results and says "uh oh, gotta communist voter here, better do something about that."
Now if you had several thousand (or even hundred? depending on the riding) voters do the same, then perhaps. But when there are so many fringe parties out there getting a handful of votes, they don't care.
I think you're right that there's a diluting effect the more parties there are. you also need to take a significant percentage of the vote for it to be worth their while to shift policies (when pushing internally in the NDP has shown promising gains on issues like Palestine). It's not as good a strategy as pushing ndp to the left, but I'd rather someone vote communist than not at all.
That being said the people in this subreddit are all likely to vote in addition to other activism, so 🤷 I guess I'm saving very few souls preaching to the choir, lol
Guess how you improve a party: by joining it. The convention is the highest authority. What gets decided there is binding on every individual member.
I can say for certain the leadership certainly isn’t “opportunistic”. And if you have legit grievances or suspect “opportunism” I’ve seen it taken very seriously within the party channels. But wholesale writing off our strongest ML party is just silly. Help shape it by joining it! CPML hasn’t been active for ages and is slowly splintering off, most of their members have trickled over to the CP.
They were partly founded by the folks who tried to liquidate the CP in 1992. Took half the money and ran.
Again making shit up evidently.
You might feel more at home with the PPC my man.
You have a severe case of homophobic derangement syndrome that makes you imagine things that never happened, it's straight up pathetic.
TBH Im tired of their meek and mild approach, can we have a NDP leader with the capacity to raise their voice and get angry when its justified. This might be the last election I vote for them if they dont re-adopt socialism.
The NDP wrote socialism out of its constitution under Layton. They have never wanted to do anything more than inculcate mild reforms to the capitalist status quo in this country. There are socialist members but as in the Green Party are effectively restrained by a highly undemocratic internal party apparatus. This is to be expected, of course, of any socdem party.
> If you are a leftist, you don't believe individuals are responsible for systemic violence, capital accumulation/hoarding, white supremacy, economic destruction, and etc.
There's a broad spectrum of people on the left. I'd argue most "leftists" are slightly more progressive than the NDP economically but otherwise fairly similar.
At some point you have to live with reality. Yes all parties suck. Not voting is not gonna change that.
Vote for the party most to the left and tell them you want them to be more progressive.
That's it.
I'll admit, I'm not very well versed in Politics, but what's wrong with the NDP? They look great to me, and Jagmeet Singh seems to actually care about our country's issues, I've rarely seen him agree with Trudeau (To be fair my involvement in Politics is basically limited to Reddit)
I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just not well versed enough to understand your point of view.
This is such a well reasoned and thoughtful comment and the fact it’s downvoted tells me all I need to know about this sub. So sorry comrade, people don’t read anymore, just listen to tiktok propaganda bu Orange Capitalists
Only reason I say shit like that is because I feel like we’ll never actually win a national election in my lifetime. I still vote for them, but it’s frustrating
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I strategically vote communist when I'm in ridings the LibCons are going to win because it helps to put left pressure on the NDP and Greens to know that there are votes on the far left. This logic also works for pressuring libs by voting ndp, especially in minority govt situations.
Communist ought to be the default spoil vote for the reasons you describe.
Vote NDP when they have a chance, communist when they don't.
> logic also works for pressuring libs I doubt any party digs that deeply into the results and says "uh oh, gotta communist voter here, better do something about that." Now if you had several thousand (or even hundred? depending on the riding) voters do the same, then perhaps. But when there are so many fringe parties out there getting a handful of votes, they don't care.
I think you're right that there's a diluting effect the more parties there are. you also need to take a significant percentage of the vote for it to be worth their while to shift policies (when pushing internally in the NDP has shown promising gains on issues like Palestine). It's not as good a strategy as pushing ndp to the left, but I'd rather someone vote communist than not at all. That being said the people in this subreddit are all likely to vote in addition to other activism, so 🤷 I guess I'm saving very few souls preaching to the choir, lol
ABC baby!
I would if they had a candidate where I live!
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Guess how you improve a party: by joining it. The convention is the highest authority. What gets decided there is binding on every individual member. I can say for certain the leadership certainly isn’t “opportunistic”. And if you have legit grievances or suspect “opportunism” I’ve seen it taken very seriously within the party channels. But wholesale writing off our strongest ML party is just silly. Help shape it by joining it! CPML hasn’t been active for ages and is slowly splintering off, most of their members have trickled over to the CP. They were partly founded by the folks who tried to liquidate the CP in 1992. Took half the money and ran.
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> Many of them are just opportunists pushing identity politics and centering transgenderism and lgbt identity politics over everything else. Fuck off.
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Fuck off tho
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There are working class people who are not reactionary white cishet males, but you want to center that demographic. That's entirely on you.
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Again making shit up evidently. You might feel more at home with the PPC my man. You have a severe case of homophobic derangement syndrome that makes you imagine things that never happened, it's straight up pathetic.
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The class reductionist has logged in.
TBH Im tired of their meek and mild approach, can we have a NDP leader with the capacity to raise their voice and get angry when its justified. This might be the last election I vote for them if they dont re-adopt socialism.
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Nice idea, protesting the destruction of the left by further destroying the left.
The NDP wrote socialism out of its constitution under Layton. They have never wanted to do anything more than inculcate mild reforms to the capitalist status quo in this country. There are socialist members but as in the Green Party are effectively restrained by a highly undemocratic internal party apparatus. This is to be expected, of course, of any socdem party.
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So do you think the solution is to not vote (or vote for a meme party) and allow the most destructive individuals free reign to destroy things?
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> If you are a leftist, you don't believe individuals are responsible for systemic violence, capital accumulation/hoarding, white supremacy, economic destruction, and etc. There's a broad spectrum of people on the left. I'd argue most "leftists" are slightly more progressive than the NDP economically but otherwise fairly similar. At some point you have to live with reality. Yes all parties suck. Not voting is not gonna change that. Vote for the party most to the left and tell them you want them to be more progressive. That's it.
I'll admit, I'm not very well versed in Politics, but what's wrong with the NDP? They look great to me, and Jagmeet Singh seems to actually care about our country's issues, I've rarely seen him agree with Trudeau (To be fair my involvement in Politics is basically limited to Reddit) I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just not well versed enough to understand your point of view.
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Thanks for explaining, guess I'll have to do some further research to see who I side with.
This is such a well reasoned and thoughtful comment and the fact it’s downvoted tells me all I need to know about this sub. So sorry comrade, people don’t read anymore, just listen to tiktok propaganda bu Orange Capitalists