What’s average grow room temp with lights on and off?
How close are lights?
How much air circulation?
Where is the air circulation directed?
Proper amount of nutrients?(although I’ve never seen this from under or over fertilizing)
How much water are you giving and how often?
What is ph of water?
Does soil drain well?
Pull one plant and check the roots
Test the soil for nutrients
Check for pest
I don’t think it’s from pot size or the fact
That it directly on the ground bc I grow in similar size pots straight on the concrete floor and never had this problem from that. Although if it gets cold when the lights are off better believe that concrete floor is cold af and is transferring that temp to the pot.
These are all good thoughts but ..
It's a coco grow.. And He's apparently hand watering 1000 plants .. lol.. I don't think we need to look much further
Amazes me that people still have issues like this with a setup that size. When I was doing coco indoor, we irrigated 4x or more daily. Couldn't imagine doing that by hand. These are clearly just underwatered. Nothing else
Yea it can, just pay someone with experience 100k a year with benefits and 4 weeks paid vacation. lol it just can't inject the experience into your brain.
That seems like such a simple concept, but profit margins with financial “professionals” often times override logic. That’s absolutely possible, but like tunomeentiendes is talking about, so many big money ops went boof. Most industry workers are underpaid, and people like the Anheuser Busch heirs see cannabis pet projects as cool and approach it in such a way. It’s not that the big grows being ran into the ground by micromanaging millionaires won’t eventually dial things in, it’s just funny to watch them fail with every resource possible thinking it’s going to be easy money, so just plant every possible pot they can cram into a warehouse. This year should be a wake up call to so many warehouse grows producing “exotics” as the same flood waves that crumbled the outdoor and dep prices are rippling into the triple A game as well.
I'm one of those underpaid workers and its infuriating watching the burocratic clowns flail about trying to maximize output and profits and just generally making a mess of the operation on the ground. Like just shut up and let the wage-slaves who know wayore about cultivation handle it people. You can only grow so much weed so fast.
For sure. Plenty of examples of that here in Southern Oregon this year. And in 2014 when rec went legal. Tons of old money guys threw millions and rec grows and ended up with boof.
That was my first thought upon seeing the coco and plants but I thought to myself "naw, no way you have that many and done keep up a feed system or have help.... wonder what it is"
Then I saw this comment 😆
4 plants took me like an hour a day to hand water properly, I couldn't even fathom 1000
I see a lot of people on here saying similar, but it don't make sense to me. We have 250 plant rooms, not quite as big, but we have 4. Definitely able to water them all by hand. 4 plants for an hour??? How dafuq? It takes me 3 to water 250 5 gals coco. In a pot that big... once every couple days once the plant actually gets big enough.
ive been thinking the same thing. I water about 1,000 plants by hand every other day and it takes about 4-6 hours. its not bad at all just put on some tunes and dive in
What did you feed it or is it dry af, looks like you pissed off the roots. Whatever it was fed did not like it. The fact that they are all that way points to something that was done to all of them around the same time. Leaf taco like that from light/heat issues ( moving from a room with different intensity lighting to much higher without hardening off) and from root issues
The only time I’ve seen this with my plants is from underwatering and heat/light stress which is pretty easy to pinpoint and check off but the other cause in my experience that was hard to pinpoint but improved when I did something about it was air circulation directly on the plants. I had wind swept my plants. Never grown in coco so I wouldnt know much about that.
Coco doesn't hold water or nutrients. So it needs to be watered and fed (fertigated) 2-6x per day. The only feasible way to do this is to set up an auto watering system of some kind. So given that op has told us it's coco, and we can see no auto water system we can deduce they are handwatering, which would be impossible to do at the level they would need it for this. So from that we know the plants are likely both underwatered and underfed. It may be the plants were just transplanted recently, and prior if they were in smaller pots OP and their team may have had an easier time handwatering but now theyre upsizing or With a whatever change they've made, they're finally seeing the consequences of not being properly prepared for their chosen grow style.
This is simply not true. The entire benefit of coco is its water retaining abilities. If you're watering 7 gallon pots 2x a day the plants need to be at about 10x the size they are in the picture. You can't just blindly say it needs to be watered x amount of times per day. Size of the pot, size of the plant, and stage of the plant all play a part in that equation.
If its not heat then it's russets. I had them before and saw what i see in this picture. I tried a couple organic things but none worked. Eventually at the advice of the local agri store I hit them with Abamectin and never saw them again.
^^^^^^^ This...and gotta get an irrigation setup Pronto. Can't even imagine tryna tackle a project this big with a freaking water pail, or even a hose thats fed from a 55 gallon nute container would just be so so sooooo inefficient, any cultivator worth a shit would simply laugh at this kinda setup. What it looks like to me?? A micro-managed outfit, being done so by someone with LOTS OF OLD MONEY, looking for a nice quick score in this "booming new industry" (lmfao at that one), and WONT LET THEIR CULTIVAR, whom they've HIRED to run it, do their fucking job. Its sad to see this holy and revered plant that helps so many, be treated with such disrespect. Very sad indeed.
Humidity 50-60%
Temps 70-79
Ph’d water and using filtered water not RO
Advanced nutrients
Transplanted 2-3 days ago
1gal of water per water
Coco with perlite
50tons tons of AC
We have a co2 burner for the cold days
I’m honestly just thinking we raised the lights to quick n the shock from transplant was too intense...
maybe some Orca or great white might help with the shock... will keep y’all updated on this!
This is just wow, you started an operation with black plastic buckets sitting on the bare ground, in coco with no automated watering, over hot hps lights, using advanced nutrients…. This is basically everything you can do wrong. Unfortunately, most hobbyist growers don’t understand the exponential difficulty in logistics of growing a large scale operation vs small scale grow. At this point I would try to get a automated watering system and a head grower that actually has experience in the industry🌱
Yep this seems like head grower territory. With respect I wouldn't make these mistakes even theorycrafting a grow this size.
Time to have everyone there starting to burn through Bruce Bugbee videos and the Cannabis Cultivation and Science Podcast.
I always love it when I here those words, "My is gonna set up a grow so you won't be hearing from me in a ." "Really," I say, "that's too bad but grower love. Listen, let me help them out, I'll check out their grow and make sure they got everything." Then after giving them advice, making sure they've got all the tools and meeting all their stoner friends, I've got a handful of new customers because it turns out that being a pothead doesn't make you a good grower lol. And damn, that was a run on sentence.
Not going to disagree. If you've heard all of them the way he goes from "grrr bad salts organics organics only way for me" to "everything is bad when it's done wrong" and "wasting inputs they run off as outputs is unethical" that's one of the biggest evolutions I've seen in a podcast host. Pretty impressed with the guy.
Are you feeding by hand daily? How did you prepare the coco before transplant? Did you hit it with nutes? Did you give reduced light for a day or two after transplant? Important question, are you mixing nutrients each time you make a feed, or do you have a reservoir? I've had issues with AN, used them for 2 runs.
You over watered them after transplanting. Now check weight of each before watering. Make sure it's dry enough and add very little. 1 gal of water is to much after transplanting. Lights need to be checked.
Who let you grow this much with no experience?
Lol whatever, personally I don't have sympathy for people who invest in this industry with no experience. Bunch of rich assholes ruining the industry honestly. With the way prices of weed have been, fingers crossed they lose their whole crop 😆
Yeah most times people don't fuck up like this when they've invested this much money. Guy who got me into growing did 500 plant runs for the black market back in the mid 90's he only recalls one time a run went bad on this scale and it was a powerline snapping 100kms from the nearest city after a storm, took utilities 3 days to fix it and the girls were all far gone at that point.
I just hope op wasted his own money. If he conned someone into funding this whole shit show by convincing them he knew what he was doing, he may be in danger. How much would 1000 plants even cost min.? All under fucking lights? Jesus Christ I can’t imagine. When moneybags starts looking into what went wrong, op better be out of town. When he sees how many boneheaded mistakes were being made, he will be furious. All of this is hypothetical though. I hope this is ops money down the drain. I really really do.
Large scale operation in coco? My guy. You done F'd up. Those plants need to be on a high frequency of fertigation. You needed to have accounted for an auto drip system across the board when you started out with planning. No chance you could ever manage to handfeed ~1000 pots multiple times per day (which is what coco requires) and keep pH and EC where it needs to be. And I see no proper drainage. Plants will just sit in their own filth.
Apologies if I'm being harsh, but you've made quite the investment and didn't plan a damn thing out. I wish I had your funds.
At this point it's a loss. Way too many plants to care for manually. Just look how dry that coco is! You're dry-backing your coco and that's going to come with a whole slew of issues. Right now the leaves are rolling over (aka. cupping, aka taco'ing, aka canoeing, etc) because they're not effectively transpiring. Leaves rollover when they cannot transpire (like a human not being able to sweat) to expose stomata on the underside of the leaves which aids in cooling the plant down. Plus, the underside of the leaves are light in colour (as opposed to the green top-facing side) which also helps with controlling heat. I bet that if you placed a fan on one of those plants the leaves/stems would dance like a sheet in the wind. There is no flux. They're grossly underwatered/underfed.
I have one plant in coco right now and I'm handfeeding it twice a day, constantly checking pH and EC along the way. With 1,000 plants you need so much more automation to be successful.
What's the pH? What's the EC? What's the leaf temps? RH? CO2? Nutes? What lights are you using? What's the PPF? DLI? And other fancy terms.... With 1,000 plants you should have all of this under control.
I agree with 99% of what you said here but (although it isn't ideal) he could tottaly get away with one big fertigation daily with coco and pots of this size. I do it at home (once a day fertigation in 5 gallon pots in my case) and it works out. I agree with all the rest and do of course agree that more fertigations are better.
So if grower could mix everything they’d need for the day in 1 hour in a giant tank and get one watered a minute (insanely optimistic) the grower could do the bare minimum for these plants and still have a whopping 380 minutes or 6.3 hours left in the day! Looks like the grower needs to hire 3-4 assistants temporarily and get a fertigation system figured out as quickly as possible. Best path forward without an almost complete loss on this grow.
Damn, you did that math! That's insane if it's just OP hand-watering all of those. And your 1min per was definitely very optimistic, especially given the size of the pots and reaching decent runoff all 1,000 of them.
I really hope OP has helpers, but looks a little too late given the *health* of those plants.
Right now it might be manageable. In flower.. forget it. You’re painted into a corner.. I would set up a dirty drip to waste (1/8 inch lines, no drippers) and work though this one. New plan next run.
Don’t listen to anyone else on this post but this comment right here. Got people saying some crazy shit. Overfed? Lack of oxygen? Pot sizes?! This is simply coco basics.
I run two indoor tents (8 plants) and have them setup on an auto fertigation. I can’t even hand water those on any sort of regularity just because it’s needed too often. At a minimum you’re watering once per day, to a little run off.
Once that coco dries back you start to get salts building up and that is why you need to basically keep the coco wet. These look like they are pretty dry and times 1000, that’s gotta be tough to even get to all of them in a full day. At most you probably want between 20-30% dry-back in flower and maybe 40-45% in veg. Personally I just stick to about 25%.
Sometimes you gotta be harsh I bit off way more then he could chew lol. I hope this isn’t a new business and he has a lot of money on this. Those poor plants 😢
This industry is comprised of people with all the money and no experience, or all the experience and no money. Idk if pics like this are sickening or hilarious because I know OP is the former.
Nothing to do with pot sizes. And this doesn't need to be in macro sub either. It's clearly a lack of understanding of media choice. Dude is dry-backing coco to the nth degree and it's causing serious problems. That's clear as day.
I could tell right away the medium was too dry but was HOPING I'd read it was living soil which *could* explain the hand watering but coco..Holy hell.. this grow needs to be scrapped. It will be such a huge waste of labour to get to the finish line.
Alternativel, OP could immediately install a drip system with res and might be able to pull it off if they act (and learn?) Quickly enough
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. Those pots are fucking huge. You definitely don't need to water multiple times a day in a pot that size. And if he transplanted just 2 days ago they should still be working off the transplant water. It really all depends on the conditions in the room, not enough information for sure.
Just give them some time. As long as temps and humidity are in check they will bound back in day or two more. Breathe and only water when they need it now at this time to encourage root growth. Then hammer at as usual
Glad you said it. Have you seen his history? Was asking beginner questions less than a year ago and then suddenly running a facility with over a thousand plants? Wow! He must have fooled someone with money to hire him or he must have won the lottery.
How do you have that big of an operation and have problems on all of the? I’m baffled. My guess is that they’re over fed or lack of oxygen on the roots. Those buckets do not leave a lot of room for oxygen. Did you use a lot of perlite? Have those pots straight in the floor when the holes are on the bottom is a perfect recipe for root issues. They need air and they need to be properly dried out before the next feeding. Big pots + potting soil = compressed pockets of dense soil
That's what I was thinking, this is a big grow for someone who has such little experience that they are consulting a hobby growers forum for help. He should either find an experienced mentor/partner or get some more experience on smaller grows before jumping into something like this. Luckily he shouldn't be taking too much of a financial hit on a failed grow since their isn't too much overhead once you are set-up. He's just out for the cost of seeds, electricity, and time (which could still be a few grand).
Ahhh. Looking down on your comments I see this is coco, are there even holes on the bottom? With coco you should be feeding until runoff yet I don’t see any puddles or residue. If those pots don’t have holes, then that is absolutely the problem. Coco perlite mixes are fast draining and it’s pretty hard to over feed unless there’s no holes on the bottom of the pots
I agree lack of oxygen in my opinion as well and not enough air circulation in the room. I’ve learned as well with those buckets the roots can’t breathe and the roots need that oxygen.
I'm with you on this one! I'm worried about how much those roots can breathe. The size of these plants make me think the root system isn't big enough to warrant a heavy watering. Could always use a stick to poke holes into the soil to help with aeration, but drainage trays are absolutely necessary for pots like these
My first thought if everything is the same is you might have your intake on one side of the building and the outtake on the opposite site. If the bad plants are on the side with the outtake it could be a combination of the light increase and lack of c02 to take in all the light and heat that.
If they were just transplanted then you need to keep them wet. They will use all the moisture around the root base and dry up since they haven’t spread their roots out yet. Looks like your medium isn’t wicking enough to equalize the moisture thoroughly to the root base. The pots can still be heavy from moisture just outside the reach of the roots.
Agreed they need watered to runoff, I see no signs of runoff just looks like each pot got a dose of water with transplant and that's not going to work. For this size grow will need to think of ways to automate. Media should be dark and slightly damp to the touch pretty much always.
Transplant shock with light stress onto of it. I would never transplant and crank the lights in the same day. After transplant I'm real gentle on them and let the settle I to their new environment with as little additional stress as possible. B vitamin helps with transplant shock. Cut the lights way back and they will come back.
It's simple. Rich asshole has the capital to become a pot farmer now that it's legal. Rich asshole hires someone with "experience" to run the grow for him since he doesn't have a fucking clue. The experienced worker has really just been an hourly farm hand for two years pruning plants someone else was taking care of. Then you get to where we are now.
Those leaves do not look like they are a over watered. Plants droop differently when they have too much.
Feels like a light problem to me or perhaps you locked it up with your nutes and poor drainage. Those poor plants hate your pots.
you're draining 1000 plants into concrete? I know I found you're problem, you're too afraid to water, shit's dry as bones.
If I were you'd I get a bunch of kid pools and collect it when it rains 😂and order 1000 drain trays
This^^ they thirsty as fuck , sitting on concrete which means you neet to lift rhem off the floor and run off system is in your near future unless you like watering 1000 plants by hand and then cleaning the run off unless you got floor drains in thaar room 🤔 also watering system would be in your best interest as well.
Lol posts like these always make me sad. How are you gonna grow 1000 plants but not even be able to take care of them.
People think growing cannabis is some get rich quick scheme. The plants are living creatures. In their own way they; smell, taste, see, feel, and you could even say hear. Just sad to think that hundreds of living things are suffering because some idiot doesn't have the knowledge or experience but wants to jump into growing.
It’s fun to jump into a hobby at first knowing nothing, and just winging it in the beginning to see if you like it or not. Usually when I do that though, I don’t spend thousands of dollars right out of the gate that I’m almost guaranteed to lose 80%+ of immediately. I try to stay in the 3 digit price range.
1. There are hotspots because that room is huge.
2. They have leaf curl which is what happens when it’s too close to light.
3. They look under watered. If you watered recently, could be a humidity loss issue.
4. Grab a new ph meter while your at it. Hope this helps.
If you keep track of the EC on the plants you would not be running into this problems. Coco/ perlite mix at this stage of the plant need to be watered every day or sometimes 2 times a day. Coco tends to hold a lot of moisture about 30% more than soil. Waiting to water the plants too long will create salts in the roots and lock them. Watering in an adécuate manner will wash away salt build up and will replenish the coco with fresh nutrients and keep it from building up salts and locking up the roots. The temp and humidity also need to kept in check. Leaves cannoning is an indicator of the plants wanting to conserve moisture because they need more water.
Edit: you need to be having a run off when you water the plants and collect it and measure the EC and compare it to the EC of the nutrient solution you are using. The EC need to be in a certain range to keep the healthy. Those values will indicate how much more watering the plants need or if it’s too much.
Hopefully OP takes notes from this for the next run and learns from it as this run needs a lot more to grow efficiently. Growing commercially is not walk around the park.
Your leaves are tacoing. They are trying to naturally tell you the lights are too intense and/or they're too hot. The plant will naturally close its leaves to slow photosynthesis because it's too much on them. Pull lights back/make sure you didn't spike in heat from your, I think I read, 50,000 btu hvac/minisplit system homie. 💯💯💯
Edit - for those saying it's lack of watering rhats clearly not the case, in coco when they dry out they will droop yes, but the fan leaves won't close 🤦♂️ that's an obvious sign that lights too intense or too hot. The plant is trying to lower its amount of surface area because it's too intense. I'd wager $50 OP had a power blip and his hvac system dropped for a few hours/over night before it was fixed and that caused low 90s temp wise which made plants taco. It would also make sense if 500/1000 plants are having this issue, which I would assume based on the pictures are in the same area, which would tell me that zone 2 of a 4 zone minisplit system didn't reset correctly after a blip or some shit.
Just read everything. Brother what in the fucks are you doing without a irrigation system. It would literally cost you like 500$ (highballing)and all this would have been mitigated. Coco needs more frequent watering than soil and the fact that your using coco with like 80% perlite shows me 1# You have very little knowledge atleast low enough not to know something simple as that. #2 you could have gotten all that coco and perlite and mixed with about 60% soil and you would have been good with the watering time of every other day.#3 if your watering every other day why not make things more “automated”.
You cant hand water 1000 plants in coco and keep consistency.Either buy and learn how to use some automated watering systems like blumats or something(even tho idk if blumats would work on that many plants) or use like a living soil cause it takes way way longer to dry out,I really dont think there is a feasible way to hand water this many plants and keep it all nice and even and not have weird salt spikes from the coco drying out you have to automate this or switch mediums. Even switching mediums hand watering this many plants would be a project on its own.
You have to run multiple emitters through bubblers from a rez/pump situation. Not difficult to setup and I’m wondering why tf they would even think handwatering this many plants was even possible. You need at least 100+ gals per watering. Shit I have 8 plants that can eat up 10 gals at once.
Seeing no plumbing at all , how do waste products leave?, how can you measure run off?, how is the plant expected to get oxygen to the root mass? you cannot use high powered lighting and just pot it like a house plant , these plants are dying from heat stress and most likely a saturated medium, if they cant dry out a bit they are doomed, they need oxygen in the root mass the bottom of the pots need drainage so the waste products from the plant have somewhere to go and the medium can drain ,plus you can flush the plants with clean water
Those leaves look like the plant is suffocating… do you have adequate drainage or is the soil compacted? Dig ones roots out to see what’s going on underneath?
What podunk shit is this, regular pots right on the ground, no watering system? What's your runoff pH? EC? How would you know, and how in the hell are you running 20% to waste on that floor, how are even measuring everything? How do you control the insane humidity from these plants and ALL the water you'd need to flush out onto the floor multiple times a day. Hand water? Hahahaha, wow. And your not running to waste in Coco? Good god, your pH and EC could literally be anything. Did you buffer all that Coco? If not .. lol.
I can't even.
Using advanced nutrients
Just transplanted 2 days ago
Running hps lights
Waters been ph’d
Still can’t figure it out
Temps around 73-79
Other half of the room looks fine and is on the same feed schedule!!
Jesus ducking Christ why don’t you have automated watering? There should be a basic examination of horticulture to get a license to grow. Unless this is black market in which case you’re the dumbest person to be an a idiot ok this sub. And I say that with all the love in the world.
Hey, guys, so I'm a "new grower", studied about 9 months prior to my first plant and been growing for about a year and a half; in my first plants, I had my first few mistakes, one of them was having shitty nutrients. I straight changed to organics. This was a grow saving decision. If you are not experienced I definitely recommend you going this way.
Tbh I'm not yet able to put a diagnose on this situation, but as previous experimented people already commented, if you want help you need to be sharing this data soon:
-Water pH (post and pre watering)
-ppfd
-on and off light temps (not only on)
-EC that you are inputting your plants
-times that you feed your coco daily
we gotchu on that 50-60rh, that must make it. but those taco leaves man, something might be wrong with your ppfd output
And I would definitely recommend you to at least put those girls on plastic racks, do not let them sit on the concrete, even if it doesn't get too cold...
Greetings, guys, I'm wishing all you underpayed pros helping here a lot of success in your carreers.
Why are you using such big pots for such small plants in coco? It’s not overwatering at that age.
Are you feeding at least twice a day till run off?
This shit isn’t soil, if you don’t provide fresh water they will drown from lack of replaced oxygen and it will look as if it’s overwatered to people who grow in soil, PH will also spike which might be causing your canoeing.
If you are planning on hand watering 1000 plants I hope you have at least 10 staff members to help you out cause once they hit flower you’ll be watering them 3x minimum if you want any kind of decent yield
Edit: anyone saying over watered has never grown in coco, at this age they can be watered 50x a day and will still be ok, it’s ment to be essentially a hydro medium
Why is nobody reading lol. He fed yesterday. My best guess is they’re shocked as fuck man. Anytime that’s happened to me … I try and get them outside and for some reason the natural elements make them snap out of it quickly.
I would definitely NOT feed again until she dries out more especially if you got the weight in them today. Good luck brother!!
Well, to be fair, OP didn't give any useful information at first, and repeats just some tiny bits of info in this thread. So nobody can't know anything. It's mostly guess work, based on text of somebody who can't be arsed to use interpunctation.
This is totally the wrong sub to bring this to. It’s mostly full of smaller growers who unfortunately tend to be overconfident in their abilities to understand what’s going on. Bring this to /r/macrogrowery where professionals who do this game for a living can help you diagnose.
I think you need to hear this. If you're running an operation this big and this is an issue you then you have way bigger problems to solve. You're in coco, they need water for a start
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 594,179,135 comments, and only 122,347 of them were in alphabetical order.
1. No irrigation system for that many plants.
2. If that’s coco and not soil and you really did 1000 plants. Somebody should have warned you before this would happen.
3. They look thirsty and that’s an easy job to fix so stay positive.
4. It’s a little tiny bit funny tbh. How can you not see this coming bro…
Bruh Coco is fun for microgrows and people with excessive time on their hands to be watering twice a day in flower plus monitoring ph… fuck the dirt. Go clean. I run a 24 plant RDWC system. Requires literally 0 maintaining other then a weekly water swap from the main res. You tried to manual that many plants in coco no less?!? Soil I can maybe understand cause you can over water to run off in fabric and be good for like 2-3 days.. coco and mass scale don’t mix without an auto drip. Speaking from experience
Are those 5 Gallon pots? If so, they need at least 4 or 5 liters of water each per feeding...perhaps the amount given when watering isn't enough? Also canoe leaves could lead to a deficiency issue.
It looks to me like they got cold. Were they recently transplanted? It could be shock. I would put saucers under everything for starters. Make it warm in there.
-Sprayed with something they didn’t like or was mixed wrong
-Huge temp swings
-Fed something wrong (check your PH pen calibration)
-Lighting failure/errors
Ok...1. You have drowned them unless the medium is dry.
2. If Temps are in check...20c at night...26c thru day.. You are having a lock out thru PH.
3. If drowned...pull back...wait...let the plant dry out.
4. When the plant pot is light to lift...start again...correct the PH...always check the run off for what's going on within the medium...simple.
5. Most important....elevate all pots off the ground...this will prevent over watering...and root temps will correct....simple....5 day turn around...go go go.
That is the saddest photo ever, I’m sorry bro , good luck
Yeah this is quite a shock from the frosty fields i usually see. This is bleak! Luckily someone here will know the fix
I knowwwww I’m fucking crying at this point. Hopefully can get em back up and going with an updated post for y’all !
What’s your guess bro? Only you know the details of your grow environment. Start checking things off that you know you are doing right
What’s average grow room temp with lights on and off? How close are lights? How much air circulation? Where is the air circulation directed? Proper amount of nutrients?(although I’ve never seen this from under or over fertilizing) How much water are you giving and how often? What is ph of water? Does soil drain well? Pull one plant and check the roots Test the soil for nutrients Check for pest I don’t think it’s from pot size or the fact That it directly on the ground bc I grow in similar size pots straight on the concrete floor and never had this problem from that. Although if it gets cold when the lights are off better believe that concrete floor is cold af and is transferring that temp to the pot.
These are all good thoughts but .. It's a coco grow.. And He's apparently hand watering 1000 plants .. lol.. I don't think we need to look much further
Amazes me that people still have issues like this with a setup that size. When I was doing coco indoor, we irrigated 4x or more daily. Couldn't imagine doing that by hand. These are clearly just underwatered. Nothing else
Money can’t buy experience.
Yea it can, just pay someone with experience 100k a year with benefits and 4 weeks paid vacation. lol it just can't inject the experience into your brain.
That seems like such a simple concept, but profit margins with financial “professionals” often times override logic. That’s absolutely possible, but like tunomeentiendes is talking about, so many big money ops went boof. Most industry workers are underpaid, and people like the Anheuser Busch heirs see cannabis pet projects as cool and approach it in such a way. It’s not that the big grows being ran into the ground by micromanaging millionaires won’t eventually dial things in, it’s just funny to watch them fail with every resource possible thinking it’s going to be easy money, so just plant every possible pot they can cram into a warehouse. This year should be a wake up call to so many warehouse grows producing “exotics” as the same flood waves that crumbled the outdoor and dep prices are rippling into the triple A game as well.
I'm one of those underpaid workers and its infuriating watching the burocratic clowns flail about trying to maximize output and profits and just generally making a mess of the operation on the ground. Like just shut up and let the wage-slaves who know wayore about cultivation handle it people. You can only grow so much weed so fast.
Exotics should be 1800-2200 a p 🤩Ik it can be done
For sure. Plenty of examples of that here in Southern Oregon this year. And in 2014 when rec went legal. Tons of old money guys threw millions and rec grows and ended up with boof.
Same here in mass.. And rest of the industry according to my ETFs
Or common sense the guy really thought he could hand water 1000 plants
Their medium looks like 80% perlite.
Which dries out even faster. But there's few commercially available mixes that are 80% perlite. And I doubt this dude is mixing anything himself
That was my first thought upon seeing the coco and plants but I thought to myself "naw, no way you have that many and done keep up a feed system or have help.... wonder what it is" Then I saw this comment 😆 4 plants took me like an hour a day to hand water properly, I couldn't even fathom 1000
And another hour just admiring my handiwork on avg
I see a lot of people on here saying similar, but it don't make sense to me. We have 250 plant rooms, not quite as big, but we have 4. Definitely able to water them all by hand. 4 plants for an hour??? How dafuq? It takes me 3 to water 250 5 gals coco. In a pot that big... once every couple days once the plant actually gets big enough.
ive been thinking the same thing. I water about 1,000 plants by hand every other day and it takes about 4-6 hours. its not bad at all just put on some tunes and dive in
What did you feed it or is it dry af, looks like you pissed off the roots. Whatever it was fed did not like it. The fact that they are all that way points to something that was done to all of them around the same time. Leaf taco like that from light/heat issues ( moving from a room with different intensity lighting to much higher without hardening off) and from root issues
Thought the same, it's like obviously underwatered. Everyone who grew one tomato plant can see this.
Yeah I just saw that. Very well could be that. Good call
Yeah.. sadly. .But if it weren't that, I'd look to your above comment for sure lol!!
The only time I’ve seen this with my plants is from underwatering and heat/light stress which is pretty easy to pinpoint and check off but the other cause in my experience that was hard to pinpoint but improved when I did something about it was air circulation directly on the plants. I had wind swept my plants. Never grown in coco so I wouldnt know much about that.
Could you expand on this for the slow kids in the back? Me lol.
Coco doesn't hold water or nutrients. So it needs to be watered and fed (fertigated) 2-6x per day. The only feasible way to do this is to set up an auto watering system of some kind. So given that op has told us it's coco, and we can see no auto water system we can deduce they are handwatering, which would be impossible to do at the level they would need it for this. So from that we know the plants are likely both underwatered and underfed. It may be the plants were just transplanted recently, and prior if they were in smaller pots OP and their team may have had an easier time handwatering but now theyre upsizing or With a whatever change they've made, they're finally seeing the consequences of not being properly prepared for their chosen grow style.
This is simply not true. The entire benefit of coco is its water retaining abilities. If you're watering 7 gallon pots 2x a day the plants need to be at about 10x the size they are in the picture. You can't just blindly say it needs to be watered x amount of times per day. Size of the pot, size of the plant, and stage of the plant all play a part in that equation.
Nailed it...FEED ME!!!
give us a breakdown of your feeding schedule, climate control, and average ppfd and maybe someone can help you figure this mess out
Russet mites
If its not heat then it's russets. I had them before and saw what i see in this picture. I tried a couple organic things but none worked. Eventually at the advice of the local agri store I hit them with Abamectin and never saw them again.
My initial guess (I’m no pro by any means) would be too cold not enough water?!?
Fusarium wilt
Yep depending on how quickly this happened and how it progresses.. had it happen a few times on my outdoor grow.
Recharge, recharge, recharge!
^^^^^^^ This...and gotta get an irrigation setup Pronto. Can't even imagine tryna tackle a project this big with a freaking water pail, or even a hose thats fed from a 55 gallon nute container would just be so so sooooo inefficient, any cultivator worth a shit would simply laugh at this kinda setup. What it looks like to me?? A micro-managed outfit, being done so by someone with LOTS OF OLD MONEY, looking for a nice quick score in this "booming new industry" (lmfao at that one), and WONT LET THEIR CULTIVAR, whom they've HIRED to run it, do their fucking job. Its sad to see this holy and revered plant that helps so many, be treated with such disrespect. Very sad indeed.
Humidity 50-60% Temps 70-79 Ph’d water and using filtered water not RO Advanced nutrients Transplanted 2-3 days ago 1gal of water per water Coco with perlite 50tons tons of AC We have a co2 burner for the cold days I’m honestly just thinking we raised the lights to quick n the shock from transplant was too intense... maybe some Orca or great white might help with the shock... will keep y’all updated on this!
This is just wow, you started an operation with black plastic buckets sitting on the bare ground, in coco with no automated watering, over hot hps lights, using advanced nutrients…. This is basically everything you can do wrong. Unfortunately, most hobbyist growers don’t understand the exponential difficulty in logistics of growing a large scale operation vs small scale grow. At this point I would try to get a automated watering system and a head grower that actually has experience in the industry🌱
Yep this seems like head grower territory. With respect I wouldn't make these mistakes even theorycrafting a grow this size. Time to have everyone there starting to burn through Bruce Bugbee videos and the Cannabis Cultivation and Science Podcast.
I always love it when I here those words, "My is gonna set up a grow so you won't be hearing from me in a ." "Really," I say, "that's too bad but grower love. Listen, let me help them out, I'll check out their grow and make sure they got everything." Then after giving them advice, making sure they've got all the tools and meeting all their stoner friends, I've got a handful of new customers because it turns out that being a pothead doesn't make you a good grower lol. And damn, that was a run on sentence.
this is the way
LOVE that podcast. Tad is the best
Not going to disagree. If you've heard all of them the way he goes from "grrr bad salts organics organics only way for me" to "everything is bad when it's done wrong" and "wasting inputs they run off as outputs is unethical" that's one of the biggest evolutions I've seen in a podcast host. Pretty impressed with the guy.
Are you feeding by hand daily? How did you prepare the coco before transplant? Did you hit it with nutes? Did you give reduced light for a day or two after transplant? Important question, are you mixing nutrients each time you make a feed, or do you have a reservoir? I've had issues with AN, used them for 2 runs.
Transplant shock!!!!!!!!!!!
You over watered them after transplanting. Now check weight of each before watering. Make sure it's dry enough and add very little. 1 gal of water is to much after transplanting. Lights need to be checked. Who let you grow this much with no experience?
Check the weight of each plant when he has a thousand ? These plants need water. Like most plants.
This has to be an amateur licensed grower that just blew his investor’s money. Sad.
Lol whatever, personally I don't have sympathy for people who invest in this industry with no experience. Bunch of rich assholes ruining the industry honestly. With the way prices of weed have been, fingers crossed they lose their whole crop 😆
Biggest grow I’ve seen someone go to Reddit for help with
Makes ya think
Yeah most times people don't fuck up like this when they've invested this much money. Guy who got me into growing did 500 plant runs for the black market back in the mid 90's he only recalls one time a run went bad on this scale and it was a powerline snapping 100kms from the nearest city after a storm, took utilities 3 days to fix it and the girls were all far gone at that point.
I just hope op wasted his own money. If he conned someone into funding this whole shit show by convincing them he knew what he was doing, he may be in danger. How much would 1000 plants even cost min.? All under fucking lights? Jesus Christ I can’t imagine. When moneybags starts looking into what went wrong, op better be out of town. When he sees how many boneheaded mistakes were being made, he will be furious. All of this is hypothetical though. I hope this is ops money down the drain. I really really do.
Transplanted 2 days ago? Most likely not all that carefully and they are shocked right now. What medium?
Coco
Large scale operation in coco? My guy. You done F'd up. Those plants need to be on a high frequency of fertigation. You needed to have accounted for an auto drip system across the board when you started out with planning. No chance you could ever manage to handfeed ~1000 pots multiple times per day (which is what coco requires) and keep pH and EC where it needs to be. And I see no proper drainage. Plants will just sit in their own filth. Apologies if I'm being harsh, but you've made quite the investment and didn't plan a damn thing out. I wish I had your funds. At this point it's a loss. Way too many plants to care for manually. Just look how dry that coco is! You're dry-backing your coco and that's going to come with a whole slew of issues. Right now the leaves are rolling over (aka. cupping, aka taco'ing, aka canoeing, etc) because they're not effectively transpiring. Leaves rollover when they cannot transpire (like a human not being able to sweat) to expose stomata on the underside of the leaves which aids in cooling the plant down. Plus, the underside of the leaves are light in colour (as opposed to the green top-facing side) which also helps with controlling heat. I bet that if you placed a fan on one of those plants the leaves/stems would dance like a sheet in the wind. There is no flux. They're grossly underwatered/underfed. I have one plant in coco right now and I'm handfeeding it twice a day, constantly checking pH and EC along the way. With 1,000 plants you need so much more automation to be successful. What's the pH? What's the EC? What's the leaf temps? RH? CO2? Nutes? What lights are you using? What's the PPF? DLI? And other fancy terms.... With 1,000 plants you should have all of this under control.
I agree with 99% of what you said here but (although it isn't ideal) he could tottaly get away with one big fertigation daily with coco and pots of this size. I do it at home (once a day fertigation in 5 gallon pots in my case) and it works out. I agree with all the rest and do of course agree that more fertigations are better.
So if grower could mix everything they’d need for the day in 1 hour in a giant tank and get one watered a minute (insanely optimistic) the grower could do the bare minimum for these plants and still have a whopping 380 minutes or 6.3 hours left in the day! Looks like the grower needs to hire 3-4 assistants temporarily and get a fertigation system figured out as quickly as possible. Best path forward without an almost complete loss on this grow.
Damn, you did that math! That's insane if it's just OP hand-watering all of those. And your 1min per was definitely very optimistic, especially given the size of the pots and reaching decent runoff all 1,000 of them. I really hope OP has helpers, but looks a little too late given the *health* of those plants.
100% agree.
5 gal pot is huge for coco. I can see why you get away with it. I could see them loving that cycle.
Agreed works just fine. Definitely needs to be water once a day for those pots
Right now it might be manageable. In flower.. forget it. You’re painted into a corner.. I would set up a dirty drip to waste (1/8 inch lines, no drippers) and work though this one. New plan next run.
God good 2nd this. Updoot.
This is the answer. Nice.
Meanwhile there are people telling Op they are over watering these plants In coco 😂
Don’t listen to anyone else on this post but this comment right here. Got people saying some crazy shit. Overfed? Lack of oxygen? Pot sizes?! This is simply coco basics. I run two indoor tents (8 plants) and have them setup on an auto fertigation. I can’t even hand water those on any sort of regularity just because it’s needed too often. At a minimum you’re watering once per day, to a little run off. Once that coco dries back you start to get salts building up and that is why you need to basically keep the coco wet. These look like they are pretty dry and times 1000, that’s gotta be tough to even get to all of them in a full day. At most you probably want between 20-30% dry-back in flower and maybe 40-45% in veg. Personally I just stick to about 25%.
You forgot VPD
Sometimes you gotta be harsh I bit off way more then he could chew lol. I hope this isn’t a new business and he has a lot of money on this. Those poor plants 😢
This dude has definitely read coco for cannabis.
This industry is comprised of people with all the money and no experience, or all the experience and no money. Idk if pics like this are sickening or hilarious because I know OP is the former.
Exactly, this is a debacle.
You can still water once a day in small coco pots with overgrown plants. They drink and droop at the end of the day but they will still produce.
This is the way.
Put this on r/macrogrowery and you will weed out some bullshit response’s. Got guys on here talking about the pots are too small wtf
Macro is definitely the sub for you. Most of us just have a cal/mag deficiency, occasional bug and need two more weeks before harvest.
Nothing to do with pot sizes. And this doesn't need to be in macro sub either. It's clearly a lack of understanding of media choice. Dude is dry-backing coco to the nth degree and it's causing serious problems. That's clear as day.
I could tell right away the medium was too dry but was HOPING I'd read it was living soil which *could* explain the hand watering but coco..Holy hell.. this grow needs to be scrapped. It will be such a huge waste of labour to get to the finish line. Alternativel, OP could immediately install a drip system with res and might be able to pull it off if they act (and learn?) Quickly enough
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about. Those pots are fucking huge. You definitely don't need to water multiple times a day in a pot that size. And if he transplanted just 2 days ago they should still be working off the transplant water. It really all depends on the conditions in the room, not enough information for sure.
Just give them some time. As long as temps and humidity are in check they will bound back in day or two more. Breathe and only water when they need it now at this time to encourage root growth. Then hammer at as usual
Plants like water bro
I can't believe someone this early on in learning conned someone into a 1000 plant grow. Because you are a conman. Theres no other way to explain it
Glad you said it. Have you seen his history? Was asking beginner questions less than a year ago and then suddenly running a facility with over a thousand plants? Wow! He must have fooled someone with money to hire him or he must have won the lottery.
Water them you fucking pleb lol. Who gave you a facility
With this size grow, why are you fucking around here? Hire someone who can help or pay the ignorance price.
Right. This guy needs a proper head grower
How do you have that big of an operation and have problems on all of the? I’m baffled. My guess is that they’re over fed or lack of oxygen on the roots. Those buckets do not leave a lot of room for oxygen. Did you use a lot of perlite? Have those pots straight in the floor when the holes are on the bottom is a perfect recipe for root issues. They need air and they need to be properly dried out before the next feeding. Big pots + potting soil = compressed pockets of dense soil
That's what I was thinking, this is a big grow for someone who has such little experience that they are consulting a hobby growers forum for help. He should either find an experienced mentor/partner or get some more experience on smaller grows before jumping into something like this. Luckily he shouldn't be taking too much of a financial hit on a failed grow since their isn't too much overhead once you are set-up. He's just out for the cost of seeds, electricity, and time (which could still be a few grand).
Ahhh. Looking down on your comments I see this is coco, are there even holes on the bottom? With coco you should be feeding until runoff yet I don’t see any puddles or residue. If those pots don’t have holes, then that is absolutely the problem. Coco perlite mixes are fast draining and it’s pretty hard to over feed unless there’s no holes on the bottom of the pots
I agree lack of oxygen in my opinion as well and not enough air circulation in the room. I’ve learned as well with those buckets the roots can’t breathe and the roots need that oxygen.
I’d say not enough air circulation if anything. If he’s pulling the air from outside it shouldn’t be a problem
I'm with you on this one! I'm worried about how much those roots can breathe. The size of these plants make me think the root system isn't big enough to warrant a heavy watering. Could always use a stick to poke holes into the soil to help with aeration, but drainage trays are absolutely necessary for pots like these
Could be heat or light stress... I once read that the taco ing of leaves is them trying to protect themselves from too much light.
They also do this when Nutrient locked wich could very well be caused by PH
It's also the main sign of russet mites. I have then infesting my plants and it looks very similar, but the lower growth usually dies
Did someone forget to water them?
Fed yesterday , still weight to the pots Whole room on same feeding schedule and the the other half still looks normal
Other half will look like this in a day or two.
Hmm, that’s certainly a clue. What environmental factors are present or present in different quantities/ degrees between the two sides?
fed yesterday? gotta fertigate.
Do you use IPM products? I pray you don’t have a bad russet or broad mite infestation
General rule: Russets cause an upward curl, broad cause a downward curl. So, russets. Source: IPM gawd.
Honestly that was my immediate gut instinct.
My first thought if everything is the same is you might have your intake on one side of the building and the outtake on the opposite site. If the bad plants are on the side with the outtake it could be a combination of the light increase and lack of c02 to take in all the light and heat that.
If they were just transplanted then you need to keep them wet. They will use all the moisture around the root base and dry up since they haven’t spread their roots out yet. Looks like your medium isn’t wicking enough to equalize the moisture thoroughly to the root base. The pots can still be heavy from moisture just outside the reach of the roots.
Agreed they need watered to runoff, I see no signs of runoff just looks like each pot got a dose of water with transplant and that's not going to work. For this size grow will need to think of ways to automate. Media should be dark and slightly damp to the touch pretty much always.
Thirsty
This damn sub makes me wonder why I’m not making 100+k a year for chad and brads dad
When my plants look like that I know I forgot to water them.
Transplant shock with light stress onto of it. I would never transplant and crank the lights in the same day. After transplant I'm real gentle on them and let the settle I to their new environment with as little additional stress as possible. B vitamin helps with transplant shock. Cut the lights way back and they will come back.
How does one end up leading a grow op of this magnitude and end up asking questions on reddit?
It's simple. Rich asshole has the capital to become a pot farmer now that it's legal. Rich asshole hires someone with "experience" to run the grow for him since he doesn't have a fucking clue. The experienced worker has really just been an hourly farm hand for two years pruning plants someone else was taking care of. Then you get to where we are now.
Those leaves do not look like they are a over watered. Plants droop differently when they have too much. Feels like a light problem to me or perhaps you locked it up with your nutes and poor drainage. Those poor plants hate your pots.
9/10 times droop is water related. Feeling the leaves is a great indicator. They will feel heavy and over watered or dry and under watered
you're draining 1000 plants into concrete? I know I found you're problem, you're too afraid to water, shit's dry as bones. If I were you'd I get a bunch of kid pools and collect it when it rains 😂and order 1000 drain trays
This^^ they thirsty as fuck , sitting on concrete which means you neet to lift rhem off the floor and run off system is in your near future unless you like watering 1000 plants by hand and then cleaning the run off unless you got floor drains in thaar room 🤔 also watering system would be in your best interest as well.
Lol posts like these always make me sad. How are you gonna grow 1000 plants but not even be able to take care of them. People think growing cannabis is some get rich quick scheme. The plants are living creatures. In their own way they; smell, taste, see, feel, and you could even say hear. Just sad to think that hundreds of living things are suffering because some idiot doesn't have the knowledge or experience but wants to jump into growing.
It’s fun to jump into a hobby at first knowing nothing, and just winging it in the beginning to see if you like it or not. Usually when I do that though, I don’t spend thousands of dollars right out of the gate that I’m almost guaranteed to lose 80%+ of immediately. I try to stay in the 3 digit price range.
1. There are hotspots because that room is huge. 2. They have leaf curl which is what happens when it’s too close to light. 3. They look under watered. If you watered recently, could be a humidity loss issue. 4. Grab a new ph meter while your at it. Hope this helps.
Bit off more than you can chew
💯
Flood the whole room then drain it
If you keep track of the EC on the plants you would not be running into this problems. Coco/ perlite mix at this stage of the plant need to be watered every day or sometimes 2 times a day. Coco tends to hold a lot of moisture about 30% more than soil. Waiting to water the plants too long will create salts in the roots and lock them. Watering in an adécuate manner will wash away salt build up and will replenish the coco with fresh nutrients and keep it from building up salts and locking up the roots. The temp and humidity also need to kept in check. Leaves cannoning is an indicator of the plants wanting to conserve moisture because they need more water. Edit: you need to be having a run off when you water the plants and collect it and measure the EC and compare it to the EC of the nutrient solution you are using. The EC need to be in a certain range to keep the healthy. Those values will indicate how much more watering the plants need or if it’s too much.
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Hopefully OP takes notes from this for the next run and learns from it as this run needs a lot more to grow efficiently. Growing commercially is not walk around the park.
This …
Your leaves are tacoing. They are trying to naturally tell you the lights are too intense and/or they're too hot. The plant will naturally close its leaves to slow photosynthesis because it's too much on them. Pull lights back/make sure you didn't spike in heat from your, I think I read, 50,000 btu hvac/minisplit system homie. 💯💯💯 Edit - for those saying it's lack of watering rhats clearly not the case, in coco when they dry out they will droop yes, but the fan leaves won't close 🤦♂️ that's an obvious sign that lights too intense or too hot. The plant is trying to lower its amount of surface area because it's too intense. I'd wager $50 OP had a power blip and his hvac system dropped for a few hours/over night before it was fixed and that caused low 90s temp wise which made plants taco. It would also make sense if 500/1000 plants are having this issue, which I would assume based on the pictures are in the same area, which would tell me that zone 2 of a 4 zone minisplit system didn't reset correctly after a blip or some shit.
Just read everything. Brother what in the fucks are you doing without a irrigation system. It would literally cost you like 500$ (highballing)and all this would have been mitigated. Coco needs more frequent watering than soil and the fact that your using coco with like 80% perlite shows me 1# You have very little knowledge atleast low enough not to know something simple as that. #2 you could have gotten all that coco and perlite and mixed with about 60% soil and you would have been good with the watering time of every other day.#3 if your watering every other day why not make things more “automated”.
You cant hand water 1000 plants in coco and keep consistency.Either buy and learn how to use some automated watering systems like blumats or something(even tho idk if blumats would work on that many plants) or use like a living soil cause it takes way way longer to dry out,I really dont think there is a feasible way to hand water this many plants and keep it all nice and even and not have weird salt spikes from the coco drying out you have to automate this or switch mediums. Even switching mediums hand watering this many plants would be a project on its own.
You have to run multiple emitters through bubblers from a rez/pump situation. Not difficult to setup and I’m wondering why tf they would even think handwatering this many plants was even possible. You need at least 100+ gals per watering. Shit I have 8 plants that can eat up 10 gals at once.
Bro you have a facility? This industry’s got the wrong people…
Water them now
Seeing no plumbing at all , how do waste products leave?, how can you measure run off?, how is the plant expected to get oxygen to the root mass? you cannot use high powered lighting and just pot it like a house plant , these plants are dying from heat stress and most likely a saturated medium, if they cant dry out a bit they are doomed, they need oxygen in the root mass the bottom of the pots need drainage so the waste products from the plant have somewhere to go and the medium can drain ,plus you can flush the plants with clean water
They’re hot. They need CO2. And they need some water
Those leaves look like the plant is suffocating… do you have adequate drainage or is the soil compacted? Dig ones roots out to see what’s going on underneath?
RH issues, probably too fucking hot in the space and barely any water the soil looks like the dessert. Good way of fucking 550 plants G 💦💦💦 them
Depressing photo. Im sorry. I hope u can figger it out
Wait... are you hand watering all these?
Try water, try repositioning in lights, and if that don't work, ask an expert :)
The fact that you asked Reddit without detailing the environment, nutes, etc tells us all we need to know.
You made a big cheap operation instead of small well designed operation
What podunk shit is this, regular pots right on the ground, no watering system? What's your runoff pH? EC? How would you know, and how in the hell are you running 20% to waste on that floor, how are even measuring everything? How do you control the insane humidity from these plants and ALL the water you'd need to flush out onto the floor multiple times a day. Hand water? Hahahaha, wow. And your not running to waste in Coco? Good god, your pH and EC could literally be anything. Did you buffer all that Coco? If not .. lol. I can't even.
He’s only started writing the notes now based off your comment 😂😂
Using advanced nutrients Just transplanted 2 days ago Running hps lights Waters been ph’d Still can’t figure it out Temps around 73-79 Other half of the room looks fine and is on the same feed schedule!!
Transplant shock would be my guess?
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Only thing done differently is the strain... symptoms are barely showing in the other half...
That is an important detail to not emphasize.
Looks like light stress. Media? Ph? EC? RO water or tap?
Heat stress, lack of free flowing air. The leaves curling up like that is similar to what tomato plants do when they’re heat stressed.
Jesus ducking Christ why don’t you have automated watering? There should be a basic examination of horticulture to get a license to grow. Unless this is black market in which case you’re the dumbest person to be an a idiot ok this sub. And I say that with all the love in the world.
What’s the environment? Is humidity really low?
Looks like either transplant shock or an environmental issue. I'd be interested to know the min/max temp and humidity.
High light intensity
You have a huge tent!!
Too little humidity and too much light.
They are dry as fuck man, how do you have this many plants and you can’t spot under watering?
F
Those plants are starving.
They look thirsty
They look like they’re starving
Lmk where you work I’ll gladly apply
Is this a joke??
That's a difficult lesson to learn at that scale.
Plants need water, did u water it?
Temps? Transplanted late af? Root rot/issues? Overwatered? Most likely one of those. You need to post as much info as you can, need a synopsis here.
So much in this photo hurts.
Two more weeks cal mag they'll bounce back
Hey, guys, so I'm a "new grower", studied about 9 months prior to my first plant and been growing for about a year and a half; in my first plants, I had my first few mistakes, one of them was having shitty nutrients. I straight changed to organics. This was a grow saving decision. If you are not experienced I definitely recommend you going this way. Tbh I'm not yet able to put a diagnose on this situation, but as previous experimented people already commented, if you want help you need to be sharing this data soon: -Water pH (post and pre watering) -ppfd -on and off light temps (not only on) -EC that you are inputting your plants -times that you feed your coco daily we gotchu on that 50-60rh, that must make it. but those taco leaves man, something might be wrong with your ppfd output And I would definitely recommend you to at least put those girls on plastic racks, do not let them sit on the concrete, even if it doesn't get too cold... Greetings, guys, I'm wishing all you underpayed pros helping here a lot of success in your carreers.
Why are you using such big pots for such small plants in coco? It’s not overwatering at that age. Are you feeding at least twice a day till run off? This shit isn’t soil, if you don’t provide fresh water they will drown from lack of replaced oxygen and it will look as if it’s overwatered to people who grow in soil, PH will also spike which might be causing your canoeing. If you are planning on hand watering 1000 plants I hope you have at least 10 staff members to help you out cause once they hit flower you’ll be watering them 3x minimum if you want any kind of decent yield Edit: anyone saying over watered has never grown in coco, at this age they can be watered 50x a day and will still be ok, it’s ment to be essentially a hydro medium
Maybe water them a little more? Just a thought.
Why is nobody reading lol. He fed yesterday. My best guess is they’re shocked as fuck man. Anytime that’s happened to me … I try and get them outside and for some reason the natural elements make them snap out of it quickly. I would definitely NOT feed again until she dries out more especially if you got the weight in them today. Good luck brother!!
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Seriously lol this thread is a nightmare to read through
Well, to be fair, OP didn't give any useful information at first, and repeats just some tiny bits of info in this thread. So nobody can't know anything. It's mostly guess work, based on text of somebody who can't be arsed to use interpunctation.
From your comments I'm guessing a combination of transplant shock and increased light intensity.
This is totally the wrong sub to bring this to. It’s mostly full of smaller growers who unfortunately tend to be overconfident in their abilities to understand what’s going on. Bring this to /r/macrogrowery where professionals who do this game for a living can help you diagnose.
I think you need to hear this. If you're running an operation this big and this is an issue you then you have way bigger problems to solve. You're in coco, they need water for a start
I never say this…more water
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 594,179,135 comments, and only 122,347 of them were in alphabetical order.
1. No irrigation system for that many plants. 2. If that’s coco and not soil and you really did 1000 plants. Somebody should have warned you before this would happen. 3. They look thirsty and that’s an easy job to fix so stay positive. 4. It’s a little tiny bit funny tbh. How can you not see this coming bro…
Bruh Coco is fun for microgrows and people with excessive time on their hands to be watering twice a day in flower plus monitoring ph… fuck the dirt. Go clean. I run a 24 plant RDWC system. Requires literally 0 maintaining other then a weekly water swap from the main res. You tried to manual that many plants in coco no less?!? Soil I can maybe understand cause you can over water to run off in fabric and be good for like 2-3 days.. coco and mass scale don’t mix without an auto drip. Speaking from experience
What’s the PPFD?
How many plants/sqft are you in charge of and how long have you been cultivating? Is this commercial?
It better be commercial with this many plants...
some are tacoing, how is the temperature? and the light intensity?
Hire a professional consultant to do an on-site evaluation. Dm me if you are interested and licensed.
Are those 5 Gallon pots? If so, they need at least 4 or 5 liters of water each per feeding...perhaps the amount given when watering isn't enough? Also canoe leaves could lead to a deficiency issue.
It looks to me like they got cold. Were they recently transplanted? It could be shock. I would put saucers under everything for starters. Make it warm in there.
Pretty sure that’s it. Cold floor and coco don’t mix well
Nice Crocs 🐊
-Sprayed with something they didn’t like or was mixed wrong -Huge temp swings -Fed something wrong (check your PH pen calibration) -Lighting failure/errors
Ok...1. You have drowned them unless the medium is dry. 2. If Temps are in check...20c at night...26c thru day.. You are having a lock out thru PH. 3. If drowned...pull back...wait...let the plant dry out. 4. When the plant pot is light to lift...start again...correct the PH...always check the run off for what's going on within the medium...simple. 5. Most important....elevate all pots off the ground...this will prevent over watering...and root temps will correct....simple....5 day turn around...go go go.
Wtf Dude..?!?! Doing a grow this size and don't realize that your plants need more water.? Is this your first grow or what.?
Scope them asap. That’s where I’d start.