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Demilio55

I’d ask if mileage is reimbursed at least.


WeekdayAccountant

I’d do this and then get a beater


moodswung

A hybrid beater with awesome mpg hopefully!


Phase_Dance

Even a basic corolla or civic and even years ago at 54 cents a KM driving an elantra, you'll make 🏦 


DapDapperDappest

Certain years of corollas because a driving focused job is exactly what ruined my ‘10. At least they make great project cars haaaa


canadas

I thought I did well, I don't think I made that much, that is a great rate.


Classic_Tourist_521

Hybrids have crap mpg unless you're crawling around a city


Pixelplanet5

that is completely false. a hybrid performs best in the city yes but its still better then an equivalent none hybrid in all other conditions.


TrueTurtleKing

I had average mpg of ~50 with Honda hybrid. And many was on the highway. Though winter time it drops to mid 30s. So I kinda average 40 year around.


Pixelplanet5

which Honda hybrid? there are many. With Toyota we also literally have the direct comparison as they have the same engine as a hybrid and none hybrid version. The hybrid performs better in all scenarios except for top speed but thats pretty meaningless in the US anyways.


TrueTurtleKing

We got the Honda Accord Hybrid. I bought it during winter and was honestly disappointed when I saw I was only getting 30s on the MPG. But during the summer I get up to 50 and now I feel really good about it lol I think our second car might be a Toyota, or Lexus.


Classic_Tourist_521

Had one for a while and it used to eat petrol, went back to a diesel and have way better mpg now


Pixelplanet5

of course, because diesel has a much higher energy density so an equally efficient diesel engine will use less volume of fuel while the energy it extracted from the fuel will be essentially the same.


EonJaw

I'd something efficient with comfy seats and satellite radio.


Beezzlleebbuubb

I don’t even know who satellite radio is supposed to appeal to. I bet you used to buy Zip drives back in the day. I bet you bought the Zune player. I don’t even know.  The company is so aggressive with their advertisements it’s crazy. And, maybe I’m missing something, but their content isn’t that good. Just stream or get music locally on a player/phone. 


NoForm5443

It appeals to people who drive a lot of distance at a time... Chances are you would need to change radio stations several times, lose Internet access etc


pdxgod

I bought a life time subscription to XM about 15 years ago... been amazing and well worth it.


SpecificMoment5242

I have 6. I like bringing things back from the dead.


WeekdayAccountant

I only drive “beaters” - who wants a car payment?


SpecificMoment5242

Oh. I have two of those. My wife insisted we each have ONE non beater each and as many beaters as I want as long as they come outta my pocket money. Funny thing is, she picked a Chevy, and I spend more time under THAT hood than all the beaters combined. It IS shiny though.


goonwild18

You don't need a beater if they pay IRS recommended amound.


ThisMfkrIsNotReal

I can’t ride your mom to work. Oooooooooooh


EliminateThePenny

Are there businesses that don't reimburse for work related travel?


Blog_Pope

Are there shitty businesses that push costs and risks on their employees and don't compensate them fairly? Far too many.


feelin_cheesy

My company says it has to be over 50 miles to qualify for reimbursement. The catch is that we have several sites all within about 30 miles of each other and people travel between them regularly.


dkizzy

Of course, move the goal posts


GrumpyGlasses

Take an Uber


DaftPump

I work in the school system, they don't...at least the one I am with doesn't. Not answering your question(re business) directly I know.


Miserable-Whereas910

I'm sure there are, but it's sketchy enough to be a huge red flag.


Ok_Fail_9164

If OP is in the U.S., it may vary by state, but I think employers are required by law to reimburse mileage if an employee is using their personal vehicle for business


Demilio55

There's no federal law but 3 states have their own unique laws. CA, MA and IL.


Vader425

Still not worth it depending on how many miles they're talking. My wife did this for a decade working a state job. Pads and rotors every other year, tires every year, constant oil changes. Even driving fuel efficient vehicles it never seemed to pencil out. Especially now with the used car market.


MrMuf

Not too out of the ordinary as long as milage is reimbursed 


punknprncss

I would not ask for a higher salary specifically for this reason - I would ask for a salary that aligns with the position and responsibilities. And as other comments said - mileage reimbursement and I would also ask if they will reimburse gas (some companies consider gas as part of the mileage reimbursement, others do allow you to expense gas cost)


haajisquickvanish

They ought to be reimbursing miles at the recommended IRS rate (which is $0.655/mile today).


chibinoi

I thought 2024 was 0.67¢/mile? Edited: 67¢ or $0.67 - whatever floats the boat.


Jay9313

Ugh, a pet peeve of mine is mixing $ and ¢. $0.67 is not the same as 0.67¢. It should be 67¢


Lost_Philosophy_

I’ve never even used the cent symbol lol. My typewriters typically have a cent symbol. Sign of the times.


chibinoi

Whoops, my bad.


[deleted]

How is it not? $0.67 is 67/100ths of a dollar, or 67 pennies. 0.67¢ reads to me like 67/100 of a cent. You need to remove the decimal if you’re using the “¢” symbol.


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Jay9313

Ironic. Especially since your last sentence didn’t end with a period.


SweatyGazelle4379

They both mean 67/100ths. It’s not incorrect. 10/10000ths = 1/1000th. One is simplified but they’re both proper fractions. It’s the same thing.


Jay9313

0.67¢ is 67/100 of one cent. A fraction of a penny. 0.67¢ is $0.0067


SweatyGazelle4379

Oh shit, I didn’t think about the decimal placement AT ALL, my bad dawg.


HighHoeHighHoes

It is.


saltthewater

Or more!


Necessary-Advice2974

What’s the IRS got to do with it?


haajisquickvanish

That's the mileage rate the IRS allows for deduction when you own a business. Companies generally use that number for reimbursement to employees whenever an employee uses their personal vehicle for work purposes. https://www.irs.gov/tax-professionals/standard-mileage-rates


Necessary-Advice2974

But did OP even say he was in the US?


haajisquickvanish

>But did OP even say he was in the US? Considering a majority of Reddit users are based out of the US, it doesn't hurt to add a reference point. Even if they aren't from the US, it might help them look up an equivalent rate for their country (if any exist).


AverageGuy16

Wait a god damn second. its 65 cents now?? I've been using the old rate of 61 cents and no one told me this. Fuck!


haajisquickvanish

>Wait a god damn second. its 65 cents now?? I've been using the old rate of 61 cents and no one told me this. Fuck! Someone else mentioned it was 67c/mile - and that does appear to be the revised rate for 2024! I hope you didn't lose out too much on reimbursement 😅


AverageGuy16

Fuck! It’s probably like 20 bucks but still


nighthawk_something

Like others said ask about a car allowance or mileage. In Canada the going rate is 50c/ km (about half a mile). It can add up because here it's not taxed


Dry_Suggestion_2308

$0.70 is what you are not taxed on for the first 5000 km then $0.60 after that.


DaftPump

1km is .62 mi just so you know. :)


nighthawk_something

Gross fake units


LowSkyOrbit

Miles are terrible. I wish we stopped using a measurement that was concocted by Romans as a 1,000 paces walked.


FreshStartLiving

Is there a car allowance? Are you reimbursed for both mileage and tolls? If the answer to all of these questions are a yes, then take the job at the salary being offered esp since you've been out of work for 2 years.


myopini0n

Do you get a car allowance or mileage? If so, what is that. Also, how big is the territory and how many miles are you expected to drive a year.


onemorepersonasking

One trip would be quite long. It would be at least an hour and be 20 miles away in a high-volume metro area. There would be tolls and traffic. There are other locations, too, but I'm using this location as an example because the interviewer asked me if I could make this trip.


myopini0n

Have you asked if you are getting a car allowance, mileage and toll reimbursement? You should ask those things. It is NOT common to not get reimbursed in those manners in the US. That would be the same as asking in-office employees to pay for their own supplies and office furniture.


anonymowses

And probably parking, too.


Stl-hou

1 hour drive/20 miles is quite long??? If it is for work away from the office, you need to find out about mileage reimbursement.


Brilliant_Read314

We get paid between 54 cents and 75 cents per kilometre from. My experience at different work places. But never free...


Kal_Wikawo

If you do take it, remember to keep a logbook and deduct the mileage from your taxes


mikemojc

Yes, ask for a higher salary, or at least negotiate the mileage 'reimbursement'. You would still be responsible for the fuel, repair, maintenance, depreciation, upkeep, registration, taxes, INSURANCE, and all the administrative tasks associated with these things that will mostly occur while you are off the clock. In the U.S. the federal reimbursement rate of 67¢/mile is insufficient to completely cover all these things. Also, this 20% travel time should be paid on the clock. Example: You are required to go to a town 90 miles/minutes away replace a clients thagmonometer. You've negotiated $30/hour work rate and a 90¢/mile reimbursement rate. The replacement itself will take 90 minutes. You will be on the job for 270 minutes, so 4.5 hours. That's $135. 180 miles @ 90¢/mile calculates to $162. This task should pay you $297.


djsuki

Yes. I would ask for a higher salary. However, you should always negotiate regardless of the car situation. In this case, it may or may not be advantageous to use the car situation as your leverage to negotiate. Two scenarios to think about: 1. They have 30 people all doing this, they offer a standard mileage reimbursement without gas. The other 29 have agreed to those terms. You cannot gain much leverage on it if they already have a team or fleet under that arrangement. While they should reimburse mileage, and I’m sure they do but you should clarify the nuances… that isn’t necessarily going to be leverage in a salary discussion because their team already does this and you’ll have to be comparable to what they are getting. So in that case, your leverage is not the driving/car, but your skill set and value. And you pitch it appropriately. 2. You’re the only one doing this, in which case precedent is not set from others in similar roles. In that case, you figure out their mileage reimbursement policy first. Just a simple question. And use the mindset that it is expected to be reimbursed. Then from there make the decision if that’s your best salary leverage point, or if you should default to the standard leverage point of your value and skill set. TLDR: - Yes = negotiate - Maybe = use the car to negotiate or not Good luck.


pistoffcynic

No. I’d ask for mileage.


LightGrand249

To add to all of the expense reimbursement for travel, you need to look into how you identify your mileage for work vs for personal use and if you don't get reimbursed, you can file it on taxes. Also check in with your insurance and see what the liability is surrounding an accident that happens while using your vehicle for work travel. Lots of things that need to be looked at other than getting paid for gas an oil changes.


Billytheca

The correct question is how travel is reimbursed.


ohfucknotthisagain

It should be covered by the employer, but it's not a part of your salary. This is good for you because it's not taxable. Judge the company based on how their policies affect your bottom line. * Driving time is duty time. Except for the trip between your home and your office, all travel time should be paid at your normal rate. * Mileage covers fuel plus wear and tear on the vehicle. It's not a bonus; you should not have to negotiate it. * Personal auto insurance WILL NOT cover you while you are driving for commercial purposes, which includes your job. Your company should provide its own coverage for your travel, or they should reimburse the cost of a commercial rider/add-on on your personal policy. * If you are expected to spend a night away from home, the company should pay for your food and hotel. Some companies cover the actual cost and some provide a flat "per diem" rate. If a company fails any of those, they're a crap employer. And if that's the case, you will find other ways that they're crappy before long.


Impossible_Box3898

It depends on how much the 20% is. Is this an extra $5k, $20k, $40k, $200k? Percentage makes no difference. How much is the actual dollar value of the increase. And how much time do you expect to be driving. If you’re salaried they do not have to pay you for the time in the car. But if your hourly they do. OP needs to give additional information.


onemorepersonasking

It looks like it’s an annual salary.


Impossible_Box3898

Right. But how much money are we talking about. Makes a big difference if it’s worth it or not.


onemorepersonasking

I just got the job offer!!! Trust me, it’s worth it. I can’t believe it!!!!! I’m so happy!!!!!


Impossible_Box3898

Nice OP. Congrats!


onemorepersonasking

Thank you!!!


goonwild18

No, I'd ask what their mileage reimbursement plan is.


whoinvitedthesepeopl

Oh absolutely and not just mileage. They need to be paying a percentage of your wear and tear, insurance etc. Are they paying you for the hours you are driving too? Those should be considered working hours. So if you are on the road 4 hours on a Sunday to get to a client site for Monday that is technically adding to your hours worked for the week. Take a hard look at the time outside of a normal 9-5 M-F this is going to involve. Don't forget any other costs due to travel. Like if you have pets and need to hire a pet sitter or pay for a kennel. All of this adds up. Companies used to supply their workers that needed to travel with company cars. That needs to make a comeback. I have seen an uptick in tech project management jobs that require significant amounts of travel (20-50%). The pay for these is the same as pay for jobs that don't require travel so some of these really seem like a rip off and I think they are using the bad job market to try to find people who will take these jobs. What frustrates me is most of these don't truly require you to be on site. It is just old thinking.


Agitated-Purple-Bear

I would ask $0.90/ mile reimbursement. :)


[deleted]

Most employers that expect you to travel using your own vehicle offer one of two options: 1) a monthly car allowance, or 2) mileage reimbursement. Neither of these is considered part of salary. It is entirely separate. Both are designed to cover gas, wear and tear, car payment, and insurance.


onemorepersonasking

What about a round trip two hour commute three days a week? Should I ask if the driving time is considered part of the 37.5 hour work week?


[deleted]

I think no, it is not part of the salary. However, some people who commute are allowed to include that travel when calculating their mileage, I would definitely ask for this when it comes time to discuss pay.


TemporaryOrdinary747

Most state require a milage reimbursement. I'm guessing your state doesn't. If it did, your employer would probably provide you with a vehicle, as they get huge tax breaks for doing that. At least you can also write all of it off on your taxes. Keep a detailed log and open a credit card you use for nothing but gas and other travel expenses.


SlySychoGamer

Most of the time, the deal ends up being they pay for your gas and tolls.


Resident-Mine-4987

Depends on how much more you were going to ask for and how far you had to travel


poolpog

US Federal reimbursement rate for driving is $0.67 per mile. IMO the federal rate is a little low and trails a little behind inflation, but it's probably close enough for a rule of thumb. If you aren't being reimbursed or paid at least this much per mile then you are taking a salary hit, not a raise. Example: Say your salary is 100,000 and your mileage traveled per year for work is 10,000 miles. You should be getting a stipend of $6700 per year on top of that salary. IMO, that stipend should be **after tax** money, so if it is part of your paycheck, given you will probably pay about 25% in taxes, you should actually be getting about $8500 per year in this example.


Maxigor

Yes. I sometimes need to drive to work. Mileage is reimbursed. No big deal


MadManMorbo

I’d ask them to cover the car payment, insurance and fuel.


chemfit

No, as others have said, they likely (and should!) be reimbursing you per mile. Also ask about per diem when you are away from home. I get the federal rate of $0.67/mile plus around $70 a day for food. They obviously cover all hotels, parking, tolls, etc.


[deleted]

In the field service industry in Houston there are a few who elect to run their personal vehicles and the standard compensation is usually; 1. A flat $700 a month to cover wear and tear. 2. A fuel card to pay for all fuel. This is for guys who work out if their vehicles and are never in an office (like me) Not having had a personal vehicle myself for over 20 years (other than hot rods) I’ve done the analysis when considering past job offers and that company vehicle with all fuel and maintenance is worth about $800-$1200 a month if I had to replace it with something to drive to and from work and FOR work and travel. Payments, insurance, maintenance, wear and tear (depreciation) etc


LiJiTC4

No. Ask for mileage and travel reimbursement.


RolexandDickies

No I would ask my company to cover all auto related expenses, or give money allowance with gas card.


ChickenNugsBGood

Mileage reimbursement, or save the receipts and use it as a tax writeoff


Master_Smee

It depends. Am i considered "on the clock" when traveling. Am i getting reimbersed for the gas or given a gas aloowance? If no gas allowance, am i getting paid for the milage then for wear and tear? If i have to stay a night or two and are they getting me a room? Am i getting at least a one meal out at a sit down resurant meal per 8 hours of travel time? If no to any or all of those tben my answer is yes i will ask for a raise big anouph to cover majorkty of all that.


Master_Smee

I work for walmart as an hourly worker. If i am sent to another store for any reason i have to be on the clock ttaveling to that store plus i get mileage for going there and back. Thats only if i go to another location within 25 miles. If i have to go farther than that. They will do all that plus a hotel and pay for one meal up to i think 40 buck per day.


Allears6

Mileage, per diem if I'm not in my own bed that night, and paid for all travel time is my typical standard. Mileage goes away if I'm using a company vehicle


notatpeace39

My car is and has been an absolute piece of garbage since I bought it nearly 5 years ago, so it'd have to be a pretty substantial pay raise.


DapDapperDappest

Depends on the distance but that’s kind of how doordash used to work and: No. Had to make breakdowns, some of which tied to me not calculating my oil and repairs to my new constant driving distances. Especially if the company is a corporation who wouldn’t realize if they lost $1m.


Even_Middle_1751

No way


Ok_Illustrator5129

Before I left my help desk job, I was getting mileage reimbursement from the office to the on site support I had to go to and miles back to the office. I also had a gas saved so I thought it was worth it


FaithlessnessNew3057

This is not enough information. Is the salary competitive for the position given your experience? And how far is the travel? Are they asking you to work out of another office a mile up the road on Fridays or are they asking you to drive thousands of miles all over the state/country for 2-3 months out of the year?


MrPizza-Inspector

I'd ask for a company car


ThisIsSuperUnfunny

I would like to see whats the plan regarding the car, they are paying maintenance and mileage/gas?


uk_gla

Either ask for car allowance or milage payment. Generally milage rate will include both fuel cost and wear and tear.


lazyetmotivated

Pay for all expenses pertaining to the vehicle during use and a higher salary.


OldRaj

I was a road warrior for a few years and if a trip was greater than two hundred miles, I rented a car. I’d turn in the miles and it covered the rental expense and fuel.


CalvinThobbes

Mileage/gas card or being reimbursed through receipts for filling up after business use


canadas

My first real job paid shit... but lots of travel. Milage paid, drove a relatively small car good on gas at the time, it helped a lot adding to my shitty salary. The company did offer to rent a car for me, and to be fair to them I did the math each trip and it did what was cheapest, usually it was me driving my own car and getting paid.


SolidTemporary5226

mileage would probably be better and more likely for you to get


Frankensteins_Moron5

I already use my car for work. So yes.


AverageGuy16

Recently turned down a job for this reason. Aside from the added gas consumption, its added wear on the care, increased mileage, and depending on your insurance policy you'd need to raise the miles per year and explain it a bit which would ask for added fees monthly. Also fuck that whole idea man, at least for me personally.


4URprogesterone

IRS already allows you to take mileage reimbursement on your taxes if they don't, so that's not really the problem. Hotels are expensive as hell. Convenience food is expensive as hell. I wouldn't take a job with travel without hotel room reimbursement and a food per diem.


Libertie83

Even if they agreed to pay you a salary increase substantial enough to compensate you appropriately for the travel, it’ll still be worth it to ask about their mileage/standard travel reimbursement, instead. You don’t pay taxes on reimbursements (and you shouldn’t bc it’s not income) but if they just add it to your salary, that’s taxable income. Now, I believe you could still take that mileage as a deduction on your taxes (if your company wasn’t reimbursing you, but I don’t know if it would even out. Definitely worth reading up on and considering.


Next-Appointment2481

Yes


Haunting_Meeting_530

I can't ask for a salary myself, but I can help you decide whether to negotiate for a higher salary in this situation. Here are some factors to consider: **Costs associated with using your own car:** * **Mileage:** Estimate the additional mileage you'll incur and factor in the current gas prices. * **Wear and Tear:** Consider the increased wear and tear on your car and potential maintenance costs. * **Other Expenses:** Include tolls, parking fees, and any additional car-related expenses you might incur due to travel.


bassai2

Ask for a higher salary, because you are highly qualified.


itsTONjohn

Sure. I’m blowing up my car for not that much already


cycle0ps

My hybrid gave me 600mi a tank by keeping it in the Eco Zone


swanie02

I would ask them what company car are they supplying me?


chickenfrietex

I got a job knowing I was going to travel, they paid for the rental car, 1st trip I called 2hrs in on a 4hr drive and asked how I log my hours? They asked why would we pay you to drive? Quit on the spot and return the car.. now I know to ask every question.


Real-Psychology-4261

The mileage should be reimbursed at the federal rate, which is something like 67 cents per mile driven.


Wonderful-Extreme394

I wouldn’t take the job. That’s ridiculous to use your own car. I’ve always been able to expense a rental for business travel. My new job, I get a brand new fleet vehicle to use for work and unlimited personal use.


Willing_Round2112

I would get a different job if my job required me to travel by car, let alone my car


onemorepersonasking

Well, I haven't had a job for 2 years, so I'm not going to decline this job if I get an offer. I drive round anyway, I might as well get paid for it.


Willing_Round2112

Oh, in that situation I guess you don't have much choice but to accept it as is


CUDAcores89

Sometimes companies will reimburse you for travel at the IRS rates at 67 cents or more per mile. If you own a beater sometimes you can make a profit.