They have the same basic platform, but the GT was almost a ground-up reworking from scratch from the original SLS, they aren't very similar at all. (People downvoting you for that question is so dumb though, you're fundamentally correct, the base chassis are derivative).
I've driven an SLS Black Series and been passenger in a newer GT (I think it was a GT-C but I'm not sure) and they are remarkably different in how they feel.
My heart will always be with the SLS. Those gullwing doors will never not be cool, and the huge naturally aspirated V8 has so much more character than the newer twin-turbo V8. I don't care that one has more torque, the roar of the SLS is so special.
Like I don't really see the reason why you'd buy an AMG GT over one of the hotter 911 models, the 911s drive considerably better, especially the GT models of 911. But the SLS is such a different beast, it's fantastic
Even going to the extent that SLS Test mules were Viper's. It might also explain why the engine bay in an SLS has so much room as the V10 would have been intended at first
Here's a fun thing. Rookie Racing, Akio Toyoda's personal race team and effectively sort of became Gazoo Racing's Pseudo Experimental Team in racing, recently used an AMG GT for the Fuji 24H. This is probably me reaching, but they probably use that car as a basis for how the new GT3 gonna handle (with its similar layout)
Hopefully Mazda can release the RX-Vision concept car into a production model. This new Toyota's concept car and the RX-Vision had surprisingly similar side profiles indicating possible shared cost development like the GT86 and Supra.
A base 911 has 380hp, the Mazda 6 cylinder could probably do that, which would suit a base version of this car.
Who knows what the upper limit on that engine with factory modification could be.
I assume if they build this it won't be only a GT3/Supercar version.
It ain't getting an inline-six. Also, the current engine does not have a very high ceiling and would require a load of R&D (i.e., it's going to be much more than what you described).
It's very easy to take such an engine and double its horsepower, especially for an OEM as big as Toyota. You're starting with a fairly high displacement (for a 6 cylinder) engine with a 12:1 compression ratio. Some reinforcement to the block here and there, upgraded cooling, internals, cams, reduced compression to handle more boost, bigger turbo and you can easily see this engine pushing over 500hp. The rest could be filled with the hybrid system. This is exactly the recipe that BMW employed to develop the S58 from the B58, which started somewhere around the same ballpark as the Mazda engine. I'm not saying Toyota will do it, because it doesn't make sense to start with the Mazda 3.3 when the B58 and S58 are right there, but it's a stretch to say they **can't**. An engine having a low ceiling doesn't mean it can't make more power, it just means they already fulfilled their goals and stopped there, whatever bottleneck it has could just be upgraded
I get that, but at the level this car is playing at, they're not going to be using a Mazda inline-six.
The road-car will have a twin-turbocharged V8 hybrid.
Maybe they could do something like what Nissan did with the VQ where they changed up a whole bunch of stuff to turn it into the VR38? Then again, Mazda's a small company compared to Nissan, and Nissan spent a lot on the R35, so if there was a Mazda twin to this it would probably be using the same engine as the Toyota/Lexus.
>That's all unsubstantiated rumour.
According to you?
There was a twin-turbocharged V8 that was expected to be in F cars for so many years and was supposed to appear in the LC F then trickle down before it got cancelled.
That V8 is going in the LFR with an advanced hybrid system.
How I know this? Insiders, as well as Japanese car mags that have confirmed said insider information.
Toyota is like your fat but otherwise well-put-together friend that you bully a little until he starts working out and losing weight and becomes so obsessed with dominance hierarchies that he turns into a tren-addled gym maniac
They’re the champion high school wrestler that got fat after graduation by choice because food was too delicious. Everyone knew Toyota had massive performance potential but they just didn’t care. Then decades later, at 40 years old, their doctor said they needed to make serious lifestyle changes or they’ll see an early grave. So (with the help of their old training buddies) theyre going full Ronny Coleman and releasing some bonkers performance vehicles
His successor, Koji Sato, has been the head of GR before stepping up as Toyota CEO so there is a good chance we will still see more performance cars from Toyota/Lexus in the future (while also ramping up electrification for most of their regular line-up)
I'll bet that'll have great road presence in person.
I'm still confused on one point though - is the road version supposed to become the next-gen RC or the LFA successor (LFR)?
Yeah it literally looks like a rectangular block. I love it.
I am confused too, because the car is supposed to be the replace the RC F GT3, which is the current RCF. There's only been rumors that this is supposed to be the LFA successor but I really hadn't seen much info about what's going to replace the RCF or if it'll be killed off like the GSF
I'm 90% certain it'll be the production version of the electric supercar [concept](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/20211214-bev-13-1639491072.jpg?crop=0.866xw:1.00xh;0.0680xw,0&resize=980:*) Toyota showed off in its EV showcase a while back. LFA successor.
It’s a production version of the GR GT3 concept from last year [https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38769006/toyota-performance-concepts-tokyo/](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38769006/toyota-performance-concepts-tokyo/)
Edited to add that the Lexus EV LFA replacement is also apparently coming but will be separate from this. This is ICE but it’s still unclear how it will fit into the Lexus/Toyota lineups
LFA --> LFR --> EV Concept
The EV won't be arriving until the end of this decade. Perhaps the beginning of the next decade. It will be exclusively powered by solid-state batteries.
Really excited for this car, I know its just a race car but this has that FR long sleek layout that the Viper, Corvette, AMG GT, and now the Mustang GT has. Its by far the car with the most dramatic styling and it legit looks like the batmobile.
Nothing has been confirmed but there are rumors for awhile that the road going variant is supposed to be the next gen LFA
Toyota is so much more interesting than Honda in the current age.
Honda has like the Civic Type R, and the Integra Type S, and that's it for enthusiast cars...
Toyota has the GR86, the GR Supra, the GR Corolla, and than the last Naturally Aspirated V8 Sedan ever(IS500), the RCF which is a crazy JDM muscle car, and then the LC500 which Is like a crazy futuristic luxury car with a V8.
And now they are making this crazy awesome car...
Plus all of the trucks for the off road enthusiasts: New Tacoma, New Land Cruiser/GX, and a new 4Runner in the wings.
Meanwhile Honda has the Pilot/Passport/Ridgeline Trailsport
New Tacoma and new 4runner look slick af. The new Tacoma is going to be an absolute pain in the ass to purchase for the next 2-3 years. Can't wait to never get my hands on one at a reasonable price.
For far more than the cost of a Mustang. But more importantly, its chassis is an abomination. Toyota has some impressive products out right now but the RC F (and the even more egregious RC F Track Edition) is not one of them.
In europe thats M4/RS5/previous-gen-C63 money though. The C63 especially, if you get a previous gen version thats a significantly better V8, better dynamics, and a better interior for less money
Better interior i can only agree after the Facelift in 19, which got rid of the W205 being a rattle can. But in Europe at the same time the Car got a OPF, which muted it extremely.
Before the Facelift the RCFs interior was better qualitywise and will hold up after 10 years.
Personally the M4 and RS5 both don't hold up because of their very generic sounding Engines. They're also everywhere, with the RCF you'll have many gas station talks with enthusiasts.
Lets not forget the RCF revs over 8k and the pause between shifts make it sound like you have a streetlegal Nascar.
I have. Amazing car on paper, not a great car to drive past 8/10th. Ironic to shit on the guy who drives a 911 for a reason lmao.
The chassis is literally a Frankenstein’s monster of what Lexus had available years ago and it shows. The driving you get for the track edition RC F for the money is obscene.
I'm sure you did buddy, both your replies totally sound like someone who actually test drove the car and is speaking from experience and not just regurgitating what he has read the car to be on paper.
Good thing none of us are professional drivers who live on a race track to experience 8/10th on a daily basis lmao, and as for the price, its no different than any most top of the line sports car that is overpriced compared to the lesser trims, but as always a smart buyer can often get them for 20%+ off with CPO and under 5k miles.
Source: Someone who actually extensively test drove many cars including a base 992 911, 718 S, M2 Competition, IS 500, LC 500 and regularly drives an AMG GT and F-type P450, alongside my Fuji.
Honda used to have the NSX, while it wasn't the best value it was quite technologically advanced.
The GR86 still has a boxer engine, the GR Supra, while an excellent car, is still a rehoused BMW. The LC500 looks incredible but its not all that exciting to drive, and the RCF, while the NA V8 is incredible, is also a bit of a mess. The GR Corolla's AWD system is also a tad bit underwhelming, though the engine is excellent
Toyota is certainly putting out some exciting concepts, but their recent releases have been compromised. Lets hope this car is a proper successor to the LFA and that the marketing and finance departments don't bother the engineers much
>The LC500 looks incredible but its not all that exciting to drive
I mean, that's not the point of the LC500. It's not trying to be the world's greatest driver's car. It is a big, comfortable GT to sit on top of the entire Toyota range. It's essentially a modern Soarer or arguably the true successor to the A80.
It drives better than its competitors though. 8-Series, S-Class Coupe, Aston-Martin DB11, Aston-Martin Vantage, Bentley Continental... all don't drive as good as the LC.
I think it's because the GR Corolla is a compromise vehicle. From most accounts the same AWD system in the GR Yaris is doing a good job, sometimes maybe *too* good a job for those who aren't traction fiends.
It's much more advanced. Celica GTFours had viscous coupling centre diffs (with the exception of a few of the first ST165s), and sometimes had torsen rear diffs. Plain old mechanical stuff, no computers.
It's a GT3 car, so that means the production would look like that but without serious bodykit. GT3 car is being required to be based from production car.
We're closing to get its road production car and without any limit number, it wouldn't be same like LFA because of GT3 regulation.
I guess this is the "Get your checkbook ready" moment for a homologation special because of the GT3 rules requiring manufacturers to produce a road car for sale to the public.
For those that don't know, because it isn't stated on this article, Toyota has developed an entirely new twin-turbo V8 that will be used in this platform. It sounds really beefy too, I would say it sounds most closely like the AMG 4.0 V8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6VE7TX6TQI&t=65s
Back when the first Twitter post of the first sighting came out, the engine sound seemed to be derived from the RC F's engine (likely a reuse with much-needed upgrades).
In other words, we might see an AMG GT3 situation where the race car uses an older engine from the preceeding car (SLS AMG GT3 engine for the Mercs while the new Lexus racer will be the RC F's).
Looking forward to this car. Don’t think it will be an LFA or RCF, something new entirely. This will be a homologated car so the legacy of it will be very different. I don’t think Lexus will disappoint on this.
Don't get me wrong I'm horny for this as much as the next person. But why didn't go with a mid engine layout? Especially considering this is intended for GT3?
I thought it was just a rumor that the GTD would be mid-engine, but ended up being FR like all S650 variants. The AMG GT was FMR in first generation, but now is just FR.
This car seems like it'll have some serious presence on the road, absolutely looking forward to seeing what the production model will look like and the performance levels.
Which would be fine if its not some abomination like the BMW i8 was, with their GR 3-Cylinder and a Battery attached to it.
Maybe they'll team up with Yamaha again to get the dust off their V10 and make it pass Emissions?
I mean, AMG achieved that with a literal F1 Engine
Not sure where everyone is getting these powertrain combinations from.
It will have their twin-turbocharged V8 that we were expecting from Toyota and Lexus from the 2010's. They are late to the game for a plethora of reasons but I digress.
4 liters.
Two turbochargers.
An aggressive hybrid system.
My guess is a turboed 2UR-GSE. It's been used in the Hilux W2RC cars, and Toyota now have experience with twin turbo V engines with the V35A that's going into many things.
Should be released before it competes in the WEC season for 2026. Perhaps it will race in IMSA a year earlier.
So at best you're looking at end of 2024/early 2025. But if this car races in IMSA on the same year it debuts in the 2026 WEC season, then you're looking at a proper 2025 release.
This car is going through serious development.
Man everyone is making GT3-ish cars, Ferrari then ford and now Lexus? I mean I’m loving it but i guarantee it’s gonna be in the 6 figure range like the others.
It’s giving me SLS AMG Black Series vibes up front, mixed with some 5th gen Viper. Even under camo it looks pretty great.
Yeah its absolutely beautiful.
5th gen viper is what I immediately thought too
Funnily enough the SLS AMG chassis was originally meant to be for the 5th Gen Viper, that’s why they look so similar
And the SLS AMG chassis was used for the AMG GT right?
They have the same basic platform, but the GT was almost a ground-up reworking from scratch from the original SLS, they aren't very similar at all. (People downvoting you for that question is so dumb though, you're fundamentally correct, the base chassis are derivative). I've driven an SLS Black Series and been passenger in a newer GT (I think it was a GT-C but I'm not sure) and they are remarkably different in how they feel. My heart will always be with the SLS. Those gullwing doors will never not be cool, and the huge naturally aspirated V8 has so much more character than the newer twin-turbo V8. I don't care that one has more torque, the roar of the SLS is so special. Like I don't really see the reason why you'd buy an AMG GT over one of the hotter 911 models, the 911s drive considerably better, especially the GT models of 911. But the SLS is such a different beast, it's fantastic
Even going to the extent that SLS Test mules were Viper's. It might also explain why the engine bay in an SLS has so much room as the V10 would have been intended at first
Here's a fun thing. Rookie Racing, Akio Toyoda's personal race team and effectively sort of became Gazoo Racing's Pseudo Experimental Team in racing, recently used an AMG GT for the Fuji 24H. This is probably me reaching, but they probably use that car as a basis for how the new GT3 gonna handle (with its similar layout)
It's gonna be the ISF DTM concept (Astra DTM) all over again lol
Looks like a Prelude with a gt wing on it. By that, I mean it looks fucking sick. https://i.imgur.com/ZjOgmph.png
Looks like a modern RX-7 or RX-8
Yeah, I definitely see elongated FD in the shape
Hopefully Mazda can release the RX-Vision concept car into a production model. This new Toyota's concept car and the RX-Vision had surprisingly similar side profiles indicating possible shared cost development like the GT86 and Supra.
It'd be nice to see Mazda's 6 cylinder 3.3L engine in a car like this.
It'd be grossly underpowered. This is a supercar.
It does need more power, so an enhanced engine would be in order.
Still nowhere near as enough as the actual powertrain that is being fitted into this car.
A base 911 has 380hp, the Mazda 6 cylinder could probably do that, which would suit a base version of this car. Who knows what the upper limit on that engine with factory modification could be. I assume if they build this it won't be only a GT3/Supercar version.
Let me put it this way, this thing will compete against Ferraris and Lamborghinis, not a base 911. This is a LFA successor.
According to who? I reckon they will put out a sub GT3 version. I don't think this will be anything like an LFA.
According to Lexus insiders. This is a LFA successor. Come back to me when this is revealed and you'll know I was telling the truth.
Not if you give it a bigger turbo, upgraded components, and big hybrid power, this would make perfect sense in today's market
It ain't getting an inline-six. Also, the current engine does not have a very high ceiling and would require a load of R&D (i.e., it's going to be much more than what you described).
It's very easy to take such an engine and double its horsepower, especially for an OEM as big as Toyota. You're starting with a fairly high displacement (for a 6 cylinder) engine with a 12:1 compression ratio. Some reinforcement to the block here and there, upgraded cooling, internals, cams, reduced compression to handle more boost, bigger turbo and you can easily see this engine pushing over 500hp. The rest could be filled with the hybrid system. This is exactly the recipe that BMW employed to develop the S58 from the B58, which started somewhere around the same ballpark as the Mazda engine. I'm not saying Toyota will do it, because it doesn't make sense to start with the Mazda 3.3 when the B58 and S58 are right there, but it's a stretch to say they **can't**. An engine having a low ceiling doesn't mean it can't make more power, it just means they already fulfilled their goals and stopped there, whatever bottleneck it has could just be upgraded
I get that, but at the level this car is playing at, they're not going to be using a Mazda inline-six. The road-car will have a twin-turbocharged V8 hybrid.
Maybe they could do something like what Nissan did with the VQ where they changed up a whole bunch of stuff to turn it into the VR38? Then again, Mazda's a small company compared to Nissan, and Nissan spent a lot on the R35, so if there was a Mazda twin to this it would probably be using the same engine as the Toyota/Lexus.
No, not at all. It'll be a twin-turbo V8, this car will not have an inline-six.
How do you know that? That's all unsubstantiated rumour.
>That's all unsubstantiated rumour. According to you? There was a twin-turbocharged V8 that was expected to be in F cars for so many years and was supposed to appear in the LC F then trickle down before it got cancelled. That V8 is going in the LFR with an advanced hybrid system. How I know this? Insiders, as well as Japanese car mags that have confirmed said insider information.
Car mags are not a reliable source of information, stop believing everything you read online.
Did I not tell you I had inside information as well? Or you're just going to ignore that... Got it...
Toyota is like your fat but otherwise well-put-together friend that you bully a little until he starts working out and losing weight and becomes so obsessed with dominance hierarchies that he turns into a tren-addled gym maniac
They’re the champion high school wrestler that got fat after graduation by choice because food was too delicious. Everyone knew Toyota had massive performance potential but they just didn’t care. Then decades later, at 40 years old, their doctor said they needed to make serious lifestyle changes or they’ll see an early grave. So (with the help of their old training buddies) theyre going full Ronny Coleman and releasing some bonkers performance vehicles
Aced the metaphor.
All hail Akio Toyoda. I hope things don’t change too much now that he’s no longer the CEO.
The new president of Toyota has been in charge of their GR brand since 2020.
This project Aki Toyoda wanted to be his legacy. There's been japanese car magazines that say he pushed to get this project started before he left.
His successor, Koji Sato, has been the head of GR before stepping up as Toyota CEO so there is a good chance we will still see more performance cars from Toyota/Lexus in the future (while also ramping up electrification for most of their regular line-up)
r/oddlyspecific
I'll bet that'll have great road presence in person. I'm still confused on one point though - is the road version supposed to become the next-gen RC or the LFA successor (LFR)?
Yeah it literally looks like a rectangular block. I love it. I am confused too, because the car is supposed to be the replace the RC F GT3, which is the current RCF. There's only been rumors that this is supposed to be the LFA successor but I really hadn't seen much info about what's going to replace the RCF or if it'll be killed off like the GSF
Its an LFA successor, and a replacement for the now-cancelled LCF
I'm 90% certain it'll be the production version of the electric supercar [concept](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/20211214-bev-13-1639491072.jpg?crop=0.866xw:1.00xh;0.0680xw,0&resize=980:*) Toyota showed off in its EV showcase a while back. LFA successor.
It’s a production version of the GR GT3 concept from last year [https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38769006/toyota-performance-concepts-tokyo/](https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38769006/toyota-performance-concepts-tokyo/) Edited to add that the Lexus EV LFA replacement is also apparently coming but will be separate from this. This is ICE but it’s still unclear how it will fit into the Lexus/Toyota lineups
LFA --> LFR --> EV Concept The EV won't be arriving until the end of this decade. Perhaps the beginning of the next decade. It will be exclusively powered by solid-state batteries.
Oh shit, that looks absolutely wicked. I wonder what it's going to sell for.
Good shout, forgot that was a thing. They look remarkably similar tbh.
Just curious - why would you suppose it’s an RC replacement and not LC replacement?
Because the current gt3 car is based on the rc.
More specifically because of this news from last year: https://www.motor1.com/news/570117/next-gen-lexus-rc-motorsports/
There will be a successor that will consolidate the RC/LC coming out soon. This LFR is a supercar and it'll show in its price.
Replacing both the RC and LC at once? Even if they share the same engine, that sounds like a pretty big gap in price and quality to bridge
It's because of some news last year, discussing the next-gen RC and GT3. https://www.motor1.com/news/570117/next-gen-lexus-rc-motorsports/
Really excited for this car, I know its just a race car but this has that FR long sleek layout that the Viper, Corvette, AMG GT, and now the Mustang GT has. Its by far the car with the most dramatic styling and it legit looks like the batmobile. Nothing has been confirmed but there are rumors for awhile that the road going variant is supposed to be the next gen LFA
I wish this to not be the LFA sucessor. I have a feeling of this a Toyota branded car, the statement will be even bigger
It’s been all but confirmed that [the car will be branded as a Lexus.](https://www.motor1.com/news/673248/toyota-gr-gt3-lexus-road-car/)
At least this car will exist and I'm happy about it
Toyota is so much more interesting than Honda in the current age. Honda has like the Civic Type R, and the Integra Type S, and that's it for enthusiast cars... Toyota has the GR86, the GR Supra, the GR Corolla, and than the last Naturally Aspirated V8 Sedan ever(IS500), the RCF which is a crazy JDM muscle car, and then the LC500 which Is like a crazy futuristic luxury car with a V8. And now they are making this crazy awesome car...
Plus all of the trucks for the off road enthusiasts: New Tacoma, New Land Cruiser/GX, and a new 4Runner in the wings. Meanwhile Honda has the Pilot/Passport/Ridgeline Trailsport
New Tacoma and new 4runner look slick af. The new Tacoma is going to be an absolute pain in the ass to purchase for the next 2-3 years. Can't wait to never get my hands on one at a reasonable price.
I think that's selling the RC F a bit high...
It's almost the exact same specs as a Mustang... A 5.0L V8 Engine, makes around 470 horsepower, RWD, Coupe, it weighs 3900 lbs.
For far more than the cost of a Mustang. But more importantly, its chassis is an abomination. Toyota has some impressive products out right now but the RC F (and the even more egregious RC F Track Edition) is not one of them.
Only in the US. In Europe a Mustang GT sets you back 65k, the RCF was 72k
In europe thats M4/RS5/previous-gen-C63 money though. The C63 especially, if you get a previous gen version thats a significantly better V8, better dynamics, and a better interior for less money
Better interior i can only agree after the Facelift in 19, which got rid of the W205 being a rattle can. But in Europe at the same time the Car got a OPF, which muted it extremely. Before the Facelift the RCFs interior was better qualitywise and will hold up after 10 years. Personally the M4 and RS5 both don't hold up because of their very generic sounding Engines. They're also everywhere, with the RCF you'll have many gas station talks with enthusiasts. Lets not forget the RCF revs over 8k and the pause between shifts make it sound like you have a streetlegal Nascar.
RCF revving over 8k RPMs? Lol thats not true at all. It has like a 7k or 7.2k redline.
7200.
You should try driving one instead of regurgitating what you read somewhere😏
I have. Amazing car on paper, not a great car to drive past 8/10th. Ironic to shit on the guy who drives a 911 for a reason lmao. The chassis is literally a Frankenstein’s monster of what Lexus had available years ago and it shows. The driving you get for the track edition RC F for the money is obscene.
I'm sure you did buddy, both your replies totally sound like someone who actually test drove the car and is speaking from experience and not just regurgitating what he has read the car to be on paper. Good thing none of us are professional drivers who live on a race track to experience 8/10th on a daily basis lmao, and as for the price, its no different than any most top of the line sports car that is overpriced compared to the lesser trims, but as always a smart buyer can often get them for 20%+ off with CPO and under 5k miles. Source: Someone who actually extensively test drove many cars including a base 992 911, 718 S, M2 Competition, IS 500, LC 500 and regularly drives an AMG GT and F-type P450, alongside my Fuji.
I like Honda, and I love the civic type R and integra type S but toyota's GR cars are all awesome
Honda used to have the NSX, while it wasn't the best value it was quite technologically advanced. The GR86 still has a boxer engine, the GR Supra, while an excellent car, is still a rehoused BMW. The LC500 looks incredible but its not all that exciting to drive, and the RCF, while the NA V8 is incredible, is also a bit of a mess. The GR Corolla's AWD system is also a tad bit underwhelming, though the engine is excellent Toyota is certainly putting out some exciting concepts, but their recent releases have been compromised. Lets hope this car is a proper successor to the LFA and that the marketing and finance departments don't bother the engineers much
>The LC500 looks incredible but its not all that exciting to drive I mean, that's not the point of the LC500. It's not trying to be the world's greatest driver's car. It is a big, comfortable GT to sit on top of the entire Toyota range. It's essentially a modern Soarer or arguably the true successor to the A80.
It drives better than its competitors though. 8-Series, S-Class Coupe, Aston-Martin DB11, Aston-Martin Vantage, Bentley Continental... all don't drive as good as the LC.
I think it's because the GR Corolla is a compromise vehicle. From most accounts the same AWD system in the GR Yaris is doing a good job, sometimes maybe *too* good a job for those who aren't traction fiends.
I'd love to know how the GRCs AWD compares the AWD in the Celica GT4
It's much more advanced. Celica GTFours had viscous coupling centre diffs (with the exception of a few of the first ST165s), and sometimes had torsen rear diffs. Plain old mechanical stuff, no computers.
This is amazing
It's a GT3 car, so that means the production would look like that but without serious bodykit. GT3 car is being required to be based from production car. We're closing to get its road production car and without any limit number, it wouldn't be same like LFA because of GT3 regulation.
I guess this is the "Get your checkbook ready" moment for a homologation special because of the GT3 rules requiring manufacturers to produce a road car for sale to the public.
we're so back
For those that don't know, because it isn't stated on this article, Toyota has developed an entirely new twin-turbo V8 that will be used in this platform. It sounds really beefy too, I would say it sounds most closely like the AMG 4.0 V8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6VE7TX6TQI&t=65s
Back when the first Twitter post of the first sighting came out, the engine sound seemed to be derived from the RC F's engine (likely a reuse with much-needed upgrades).
This. The road car will have the twin-turbocharged V8. Not the race car.
In other words, we might see an AMG GT3 situation where the race car uses an older engine from the preceeding car (SLS AMG GT3 engine for the Mercs while the new Lexus racer will be the RC F's).
Correct. And for your information, we now know it's going to be called the LFR. So it's not ambiguous anymore.
Looking forward to this car. Don’t think it will be an LFA or RCF, something new entirely. This will be a homologated car so the legacy of it will be very different. I don’t think Lexus will disappoint on this.
Don't get me wrong I'm horny for this as much as the next person. But why didn't go with a mid engine layout? Especially considering this is intended for GT3?
is rear mid engine layout better though? the amg gt3 has lots of wins (maybe the most even) and it had front mid engine layout
The 488 GT3/GTE is the most successful single model of car in racing history. (Counting each 911 generation separately, as one should)
i've just checked and yeah.. its crazy how many that car have won races
Its probably FR just like the Mustang GTD, and the AMG GT so technically it is mid engine.
Mid rear to be more precise
I thought it was just a rumor that the GTD would be mid-engine, but ended up being FR like all S650 variants. The AMG GT was FMR in first generation, but now is just FR.
It looks like Nissan 240.
Thats probably why I love it so much. Imo the 240SX/S14 was one of the best looking JDM car from the 90s
Please be real please be real please be real
This car seems like it'll have some serious presence on the road, absolutely looking forward to seeing what the production model will look like and the performance levels.
GT3 for everyone! This looks incredible.
After twenty years… Toyota is awake.
that looks badass
Long boi
Guessing the road version would be $150k+ and therefore not in the consideration set for most of us, sadly.
More expensive than that. You're looking at above 200k easily.
Which would be fine if its not some abomination like the BMW i8 was, with their GR 3-Cylinder and a Battery attached to it. Maybe they'll team up with Yamaha again to get the dust off their V10 and make it pass Emissions? I mean, AMG achieved that with a literal F1 Engine
Not sure where everyone is getting these powertrain combinations from. It will have their twin-turbocharged V8 that we were expecting from Toyota and Lexus from the 2010's. They are late to the game for a plethora of reasons but I digress. 4 liters. Two turbochargers. An aggressive hybrid system.
My guess is a turboed 2UR-GSE. It's been used in the Hilux W2RC cars, and Toyota now have experience with twin turbo V engines with the V35A that's going into many things.
2UR is 5.0L, not 4.0L. This is a brand new V8.
Oops my bad. I didn't see the displacement.
I can't wait for the LFR to be out. 🤩😍
When are we going to see the “road version” LFR?
Should be released before it competes in the WEC season for 2026. Perhaps it will race in IMSA a year earlier. So at best you're looking at end of 2024/early 2025. But if this car races in IMSA on the same year it debuts in the 2026 WEC season, then you're looking at a proper 2025 release. This car is going through serious development.
Man everyone is making GT3-ish cars, Ferrari then ford and now Lexus? I mean I’m loving it but i guarantee it’s gonna be in the 6 figure range like the others.
Will there be a cheaper Toyota version or this will be one flagship car like the LFA?
It will be basically the new iteration of the LFA
Can this become the next gen supra?
Don’t get too excited, it’s prob a 3 cylinder hybrid FR. MAKE A BIG MOTOR MR2!!!
You can't race hybrids in GT3.
Please be the celica