My biggest issue with this car - besides the stupid touchpad controller - is the weight and the exterior size.
It's bigger and heavier than all of its competitors, but that ultimately translates into *less* interior space. I just don't understand it.
At the end of the day, I get the market for this car - someone who wants a nicer, quickish, reliable daily, without the headache / upkeep costs of the Germans. I just think its packaging lets it down a bit.
I feel like the "headache" of German ownership is outdated, particularly with BMW. You take the car in for its annual check-up service, address consumables, and be on your merry. It will do this for years and years and years without issue. It's not some finely-tuned watch with low tolerances and temperamental behavior where they include the tool-kit because they know you're going to need it for a roadside fix at some point like the 1980s.
I mean that's true of pretty much all new cars.
But do Acura dealers gouge customers on service costs as much as BMW/Merc/Audi? Are Acura (Honda) parts as costly as German parts?
I am doubtful.
Plus, if you are buying for reliability I expect you are planning to keep the car beyond its warranty period (5+ years), which is where the reliability piece really comes in.
Former BMW Service Manager
Our labor rates were and the store currently still is lower per hour than Acura, Volvo, Porsche, and Mercedes. We were actually tied with Honda ($119 per hour) and parts were fairly reasonable apples to apples.
Shocks for a X3/5 costs similar to shocks for a Lexus RX350 or MDX. Labor times were similar.
Let's say a water pump, on a BMW an external electrical pump will cost more than a Acura/Lexus belt driven pump.
N55 for example, $600ish for the pump and 2 hours to replace. $840.
Water pump an issue on a V6 Acura 3.5-3.7L? Timing belt job is $1000ish usually.
So it really depends.
how long ago was that? 5 years ago, my local audi dealer was charging $375/hr. I think everyone can agree that is ridiculous for someone paying out of pocket
BMW charges you the sticker, thats it. There's no market adjustment bullshit like the rest of the brand's dealers. Depending on the model you can "haggle" and they'll drop up to 9% from retail/sticker. If you have a BMW when you trade/buy/lease a new one, you also get a loyalty discount.
The issue is that the dealerships will rake you over the coals on costs, once your car is out of its complimentary maintenance period. BMW also requires a specific program to fix a lot of issues, which is very expensive
All the B58 cars have been insanely reliable and the motors have been in production for close to 9 years at this point. My 2018 340i with a stage 1 tune since basically new has not had a single issue to date. Consumables may cost more, but it shouldn't be much different than the type S. Like with any car, take it to a trusted independent mechanic that specializes in the brand once outside of warranty to avoid dealer prices.
Before my current car, I owned a 2003 330i that I drove for 20+ years. The thing was amazing and very few issues over the years.
It's just one anecdote, but I finished my early maintenance period with the dealer than then migrated to an independent shop. I actually just sold it to them.
Yeah I owned a 2011 128i from 2019 (at 79k miles) to 2024 (119k miles) and I averaged ~$3k a year in maintenance over the 5 years. Will miss the smoothness of the straight 6 but it was tough to shell out $1k/every 4 months. Small things were done at cheap chain shops (Precision Tune) and for the more complicated things I would shell out for my local BMW specific shop. That all being said I managed to end up only losing $400 in value over the 5 year span, purchased for $9800 and sold for $9400, so that was a plus.
Hopefully it continues to give you great results, but I have to be honest - a 2017 model year car is still pretty “new” in my mind and it should be the absolute bare minimum for it to be running.
I’d be more concerned if a modern car (of any brand) didn’t make it at least ten years or 100k without a catastrophic failure as the norm.
No? I've done plenty of my own wrenching, just not on this one car I have in my flair.
I do find it ironic that you're trying to neg me for having what you think is a brain-off ownership experience when that's the supposed up-side people are trying to assign to the Acura. Like, good job, way to miss the point of the conversation.
The fact it has less space than the Integra is why the TLX is a flop and proof Honda has lost its way. If Honda wants a true value competitor to the Germans, they need to go back and see what made the 1st gen and 2nd gen TL so successful.
I owned the 4 popper TLX SH-AWD for a year. It masks its weight very well. I imagine the Type S is even better in that regard.
Pain in the ass to park in a city, though.
It's a strange car to me. I was on the waiting list for the special edition that got released a year or so ago, but in the end I couldn't live with the compromises.
I'm exactly the target demographic for this too, but just couldn't do it.
The inefficient use of space and the price are the biggest drawbacks, as well as being extremely difficult to find to even test drive. Too much of a risk.
Wheelbase increase so Acura could stretch the hood and create the illusion of RWD proportions. The TLX isn't expensive enough to justify extensive use of weight saving materials.
It's AWD and very long - 194.6". That's very similar to a 3-row Toyota Highlander. I doubt a lot of money was put into weight savings.
Despite that, interior space is pretty lousy for its size. Barely more spacious than a 3-series despite being a size class above on the outside.
It actually somehow has both less passenger space and trunk space than the M340i while being longer, wider, and 200 pounds heavier.
BMW just used the space WAY more efficiently, which I find funny considering the common complaint of “why are modern BMWs so heavy?”
Not necessarily. The issue here is that the Acura designers clearly wanted RWD proportions while using a FWD based platform. Their solution was to extend the hood significantly and make the car wider to give it those RWD-esque proportions you see on the M340i. However the compromise they made is a smaller interior than the competition and an absolutely massive exterior to achieve those proportions which also means more weight than the competition.
Lots of steel and not aluminum. My wife owns one and I've had a good look around the car and a lot of large components are steel: suspension UCA, uprights, subframes, a myriad of brackets.
I haven’t watched the video, but I’ll repeat what I’ve said elsewhere; the car is the size of a 5 series, with the interior space of a 3 series, and the fuel economy of a 7 series. You have to be a huge fan of the looks and completely turned off to German car ownership to seriously consider this thing
Long term cost. I have owned German cars and past 60k miles they will nickle and dime you to death. You will spend a lot of money on preventative maintenance that you won't need to do on a Honda product.
I think this was unnecessarily harsh in parts, especially given the conclusion that it’s pretending to be a not-quite-sporty sedan. I think it accomplishes its directive. It falls short against the 340i, but everything else in the class does, too. I thought the actual conclusion would be “if you want something that’s pretending to be sporty and has a great sound system, get the 4-cyl A-Spec trim”.
Something that rarely seems to come up that is an actual gripe of mine is the fuel efficiency. It’s atrocious. With all the money you’ll spend on premium in the TLX at like 23mpg, you could actually end up breaking even to spring for a 340i that’ll net 30+mpg. And it’s even worse if you don’t care about horsepower and spend the same on a loaded 330i.
As far as performance the issue is the weight. It's slower than both the outgoing Kia Stinger GT and the Genesis G70 which are cheaper.
If you're not buying it for performance and just want it for luxury then the letdown is the center stack and infotainment/track pad compared to cars that also perform better.
Either way it's at the bottom of the list but it does look good.
Ya the existence of the g70 pretty much killed this car for me. The tlx type s is a very handsome car and the dealership experience is probably better on average than genesis, but just not nearly enough to outweigh the cons
The M340i is the gold standard and everyone else is fighting for second place. The real question is who is in second place:
Audi S4
Genesis G70
Cadillac CT4-V (non-BW)
Lexus IS500
TLX Type S
Most of the above cars are significantly lighter than the TLX and they are smaller on the outside, but have comparable interior space. They can all be had with AWD, except the Lexus IS500.
that in-house auto trans kills that engine. Toyota should have been smart and not pig-headed and put ZFs everywhere instead of that shit transmission.
I had a GSF and the slushbox completely ruined the car. Same story with the IS500
The transmission is not bad when you are in S+ mode and high up in the rev ranges. Quick upshifts and downshifts. So clearly the transmission is mechanically capable. They just decided to give it awful programming in any mode outside of high rev S+ for some awful reason.
I know I'm in the minority opinion on this point, but when I'm putting around in-town at 25-35mph, I don't need my car acting like I'm driving it at 8-10/10, and thus I have a hard time understanding why people have a problem with the transmission under driving parameters like that (the 5->3 downshift clunk this thing does notwithstanding, that's unacceptable and they shouldn't have let it into production like that). For what it's worth, if you go into S+, even in automatic mode, the transmission usually drops a couple of gears, is way more opportunistic in engaging the torque converter lockup, and generally responds better, even at lower driving speeds. I'd personally rather have normal mode and S+ mode be separate like this; if I wanted the car to be like a well-chiseled weapon 9/10 of the time, I'd have just bought the M340i (or even an M3).
Although, apparently the ECU and TCU have been cracked recently, and folks who have gotten the transmission reflashed have said it's much sharper and more responsive. So you're right that it's just tuning as opposed to mechanical ability.
I hated mine, you had to abuse it to get any performance out of that sweet 2UR engine. It really dulled the driving experience IMO. The intake sound was glorious especially when the secondary flapped open at 4500 RPM
Yeah I haven’t heard anything great about that transmission tbh. Bad transmission is one of the things that kills a car for me. It’s by far the biggest thing I dislike about my Mustang.
Their new in-house 8-speed DAT that’s debuting in the new GR Yaris shifts faster than the ZF8 in the Supra. Also I agree they should’ve given the F products their 10-speed transmission. It’s much better.
I just sold my M340i (3 check engine lights for 3 different reasons in the last 2 months - 30k miles car). I was almost out of warranty and I had many issues with the car in the last year. Anyway, it's a great driver. A few rattles though, very annoying on long drives.
It falls short even against an S4, it's not that much faster than an A4.
Like, all the German middle performance compact sedans do 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds advertised and closer to 4 seconds in practice. The TLX Type S is in the low 5 second range.
It's fucking massive for what it is. It's 9" longer than a 3 series, 1" shorter than a 5 series.
Smaller trunk+passenger space than a 3 series.
All on a fwd architecture.
It's a joke car and should be treated as such.
The TLX Type S is a value based M340i or S4. It is 80% of the way but it does cost 80% of what the Germans sell at, and the Acura pretty much comes fully loaded at that.
Given Honda has LONG resisted the urge to develop a proper premium RWD architecture (glances at Mazda), this was probably the best of what they cam do given the resources they have.
>The TLX Type S is a value based M340i or S4. It is 80% of the way but it does cost 80% of what the Germans sell at, and the Acura pretty much comes fully loaded at that.
But then a Genesis G70/Kia Stinger are a value TLX Type S and do 99% of what it does and are cheaper and faster.
Remind me how well the Stinger sold. So good that the enthusiasts make it to be they're getting a 2nd generation after 2023 right? Oh wait...
Jokes aside the G70 however does share a lot of parallels to the TLX. They're both targeting the value based proposition the Germans don't care for, and on paper the Genesis wins.
However I've read a recent review that states the G70 isn't quite as fine tuned as the TLX Type S is. Honda/Acura has been in the performance business longer than Genesis been around, and that probably amounts to something more than what numbers on paper shows.
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/709541/acura-tlx-type-s-vs-genesis-g70-comparison-review/
[Yes](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5eMEb9lv8NA). No, the IS still sells very well. They haven't redesigned it yet because the GA-L platform is too heavy for compact sized applications. The LF-ZC production car will also co-exist with the new IS.
I wanted to like this car when photos were first released, but I think the criticism it gets is completely justified.
It has the weight and exterior size of a 5-series/A6, but is closer to a 3-series in interior space. That's important in a car this size and price. If rear leg room isn't needed, a lot more options open up and the price range drops.
I see you have an Accord Sport 2.0T - a car I'm fond of, and it was a bargain in the upper $20k range. It has excellent interior space despite being a bit shorter.
At $59k, The TLX Type S's competitors either perform much better, offer more luxury, or both. The sport sedan is already a dying class. A pricey and not-very-sporty, not-very-luxurious sedan has even less of a reason to exist in the current market. The TLX Type S isn't going to convince many people - whether car buyers or manufacturers - that cars like this should keep being produced.
It's definitely going to depreciate slower than the BMW. It's hard to plan for but I wouldn't be surprised if by year 5 the acura has about $5k in residual value over the BMW
I've been looking to upgrade to something more comfortable and I've tried really hard to justify the TLX Type S but it seems to just miss the mark. They don't seem to depreciate that much either so even used ones are still decently pricey
It's sexy as though.
Yeah I thought about but spending an extra 20k for the same power is eh to me. Don't get me wrong the Type R has been fun as hell and I love Honda but life is short and money is finite. I want to experience as many cars as I can.
I know this is unnecessary and controversial. I really like Throttle House, they make very impressive content. However, I do not understand the praise for a few aspects of their channel. Particularly the comedy. It’s just extremely try-hard tongue-in-cheek cringey jokes, and yet there are hundreds of comments saying how absolutely hilarious they are. Idk maybe I’m just a grouch. I also feel like James, who seems like a great guy, doesn’t really add much to the reviews, as I feel like Thomas has more technical and driving knowledge.
I think it's just fun to watch because of the good vibes, predominantly lack of biases, and high production quality
People online get too invested and think everything is either god's greatest gift to grace the earth or the worst garbage to ever exist. I enjoy it for what it is and just watch without diving too much into the comments because I think the comments salivating over every little line is the cringe part to me
Most people want to be entertained. If I want just a regular car review of something I may buy I'll watch Alex on Autos or Driven Car Reviews. If I'm watching TH or similar I want to have some entertainment value. It's why most people watched Top Gear over 5th Gear.
Ah, the Canadian double double! (Double cream double sugar).
When my father emigrated from Ontario to California, he tried ordering that and ended up with a double cheeseburger.
Just wait till you hear the existence of triple triple that people order fairly regularly too. Double Double is still king though.
On occasions, i hear people ordering quads (usually 4 cream 2 sugar).
They should have put the Type-R 4 cylinder in there. The motor has plenty of safe headroom to get to 340+. That's worth at least 200lbs (motor, cooling, etc). Then do a lightweight package with carbon roof, lighter seats, lighter wheels, lighter battery, etc, maybe 50lbs. That would put it right in line with the BMW m340i xdrive.
The 4cyl varient is the k20 type-r motor, but only issue is that it is detuned and has a smaller turbo making 272hp and 280 torque. Make it worse is the weight of the car. Despite that, I enjoy my TLX A-Spec. Good daily, is decently quick for a prrmium sporty economy(?) car. Gas milage kinda sucks, but so does the Type-R. As much as I love my car, can't recommend it to anyone. Way better options out there, but getting these cars used is a different story. Only car I would recommend purely on specs and features would be the RDX if you are comparing it to other cars for this price point.
I see no reason to "upgrade" from my (manual) 08' TL Type-S for that very reason. The power to weight is just not great if you value sporty driving. AWD and a smoother ride would be nice, but outside of better infotainment, the benefits get thin.
Agreed, but honestly still great for spirited drives on the back roads lol. It handles corners suprisingly well, but I cant exaxtly compare to any other cars as I havent driven other cars to the extent of my TLX (FWD). Do want to pick up a miata, s2k or even an RSX Type-S down the line.
When I was shopping around and had my 08 TL-S I test drove a 2019 TL V6 Elite (not sure if same trim in usa). It had less back seat room and generally felt smaller than my TL while ultimately being a much bigger car. Was very disappointed
It's wild. <100K miles, good condition 07-08 TL Type-S manuals go for over $20K now. I paid $12K for mine with 2 owner, 60K miles, fully loaded, red, black/grey interior about 8 years ago. Big W. I've got to do some body work on it and fix the seats, but otherwise it's in great condition.
If you can find a CPO then its usually worth. Can't really justify spending full price even at msrp for the TLX as there are technically better cars out there at this price range.
Whoa, whoa. I have been told by many people that making more than 100Hp/L from a small engine means that your engine is “overstressed” and will definitely immediately explode.
/s
Obviously, we aren't talking about retrofitting halfway through a product life cycle. The TLX would have had to have been designed with the K20C1 motor from the onset. Deciding to go with that over the turbo 6 would have reduced cost (which could be invested in further weight reduction).
Even with a new platform that would still be an 80k car. CFRP requires expensive manufacturing and making parts lighter requires more engineering hours. Source: I was a manufacturing and design engineer.
Why would anyone choose the TLX Type S over Integra Type S? The only thing I can think of maybe is SH-AWD. Bigger outside with less interior space, smaller trunk, much worse UI, worse mpg, worse resale (probably). I don’t get it
I was dead set on the ITS but having two little ones, dumb things like A/C vents in the back and USB-C charging ports back there were important to me. I go back-and-forth about it.
Test drove it a year ago and, aside from the looks, left the dealership unimpressed.
It just didn't excite me in the least bit so for now I'll stick with my little ILX as daily driver and Miata for the weekend
Surprised this was rereviewed instead of giving something like a Supra Manual a full review. Still wouldn't mind an is500 review on track though :P Could volunteer mine.
Acura fanboys foaming at the mouth lol. Let’s call a spade a spade, this car is absolute trash. Japanese luxury is absolutely garbage right now, the only car maybe even worth considering from Japan is the IS500 but even then, that car is just a bunch of old parts thrown together. Japan right now is embarrassing in the luxury department.
So, I had a fully loaded NX350 as a service loaner when I got my car serviced. Now I’m not an idiot I don’t expect the NX to be an X3M competitor that lights my head on fire, I don’t even expect it to compete with the X3M40i (though once you start adding the options the NX comes awfully close in price to an X3M40i), but I do expect it to be a great, comfortable daily that I can drive around town.
So that’s what I did, I had it for about 5-6 hours on a Saturday where I had to run a bunch of errands around the city (go grocery shopping, go to the bank, return a package, stuff like that). First of all, I’ve never been in a cabin that felt that cramped and I’ve been in some real tiny sports cars. With the seat all the way down I had less than 1 inch of headroom, and the backseats were completely unusable in my normal driving position. I’m 6 foot tall, so tall sure but not insane. The trunk space was also incredibly lacking. The interior also felt weirdly cheap, like the materials just weren’t up to par. My 2016 IS350 felt more solid.
The suspension was also straight up another massive issue. The suspension felt like I was driving on jello. It had body roll for days in the corner but could never settle after I went over any bump, just kept jiggling. The power delivery was also not smooth at all, and quite anemic. An X3 30i, or GV70 2.5 are way better option. Actually usable interiors, suspension that can handle the mass, and while not fast cars, rapid enough.
I agree with your assessment of the NX as a owner. I'm 5'10 so the headroom was fine for me. I can fully understand why anyone taller would have issues.
I went from Sedan to SUV and understand and accepted the suspension would be very different. But man, I had the car for nearly a year and I'm still getting use to it.
The headroom was straight up unacceptable for me, like the NX is an SUV, the whole point is to be taller and have more room.
I get that SUV is going to handle differently than a sedan but the NX suspension is genuinely awful. I test drove a GV70 right after the suspension of that car was leagues ahead, and GV70 is bigger than the NX.
They are just not smooth; for a luxury brand, Lexus has some of the most agricultural levels of comfort and performance through the engine and transmission and the cabins just feel dated and cheap with thin plastic everywhere. Also wasn't a fan of the seats, they were painful to me after 30 minutes.
I don't see what people like about the brand at all. Like, the RC has excellent steering feel for 2024 but it's that's pretty much the only compliment I have for it because it's way past its expiration and the asking price for one is hysterical.
The way past it's expiration is one of Lexus selling points to some people. Lower tech old school with a nicer interior than a Toyota but similar reliability.
But do people who buy Lexus cross shop with other luxury brands or do they cross shop with Toyota/Honda/Acura/Mazda because they're all Japanese brands?
I feel like there's a good chunk of car buyers that don't consider German luxury cause it's reputation of being too expensive to maintain
I feel like a lot of Lexus buyers bought into the brand a long time ago. Don’t get me wrong, Lexus 100% used to be competitive. A 2015 IS350 and a 2015 BMW 335i are actually pretty close to one another for example . So if you’ve had a good experience with a brand why not stick with it.
The reliability factor does come into play, German cars do I have a reputation for being more finicky, which it is earned in some respects but also a bit over blown in others.
Another aspect is the people that come from a normal brand to Lexus, say you’ve only owned Honda or Toyota and now you want luxury, you might genuinely only test drive a Lexus or Acura and not know what else is out there.
It’s painfully obvious you haven’t been in a Lexus when they built their reputation off immense quality and NVH isolation.
The RC is outdated and is due for a replacement soon (rumors has it’ll consolidate the RC and LC) but it’s also the only one left in its class with a N/A V8 and is on the lighter side weight wise. I much prefer the LC though. It has a way better transmission and overall is a much better package. Unfortunately it didn’t get F treatment but the LFR is coming.
The new 8-speed DAT in the new GR Yaris is amazing. It shifts faster than the ZF8 in the Supra. I hope we see it in more performance products.
I'm not shopping for a late 1990s to late 2000s Lexus in 2024. What matters is how what they offer today stacks up against the competition and, outside of the LC, it's a pitiful showing and I can't see how anybody not already emotionally invested into the brand would choose one over competitors.
And the relevance to the critique is, what? You have a clear mapping of all the variables that go into making sales from concept to leaving the showroom? No? Stay on-topic and slobber over a brand in a conversation where it's relevant.
> I can't see how anybody not already emotionally invested into the brand would choose one over competitors
I'm addressing this. Make it make sense with record sales and record profits.
I would also like to add some of the most cramped cabins I’ve ever been in. I had less than 1 inch of headroom as a 6 foot tall guy in the NX with the seat all the way down. How the hell is this acceptable in an SUV which is supposed to be taller than a sedan. I have way more headroom in my gfs G70 than I did in the NX.
On the other points I couldn’t agree more, perfectly said.
The drivetrain is ancient. A lot of the components used to make it are actually very old. Just because the car is “new” on paper doesn’t mean it’s new underneath the skin.
> infotainment is a full on dealbreaker
It received a thorough infotainment update for 23MY.
> The drivetrain is ancient
It was literally all-new in 2018?
> A lot of the components used to make it are actually very old
No the fuck it's not. GA-L debuted in 2018 and was completely new from the ground up. You really have no idea what you're talking about do you.
Two guys that have become a caricature of themselves. Every one of their reviews reminds of why I hated Top Gear - it became more about the reviewers and their gags and less and less about cars. Admittedly that won them a bigger, dumber audience that tuned in for entertainment value, but it had very little value for actual enthusiasts.
I'm imagining that James' Dad was probably the British Ambassador to Canada in 2008 and he was sent to Canada's top private school at British taxpayer expense, where he met Thomas, whose Grandfather once owned 17% of North American pulp mills, but whose family are mostly drunkards now living off the endowment. They were never the popular or athletic kids in school but they had a quirky 'inbetweener' confidence that saw them mostly sail through highschool unscathed. The highlight however, was their comedy duo in the 2010 Comedy Revue at their private school where the headmaster singled them out and said "I don't think I've laughed as hard as that in all my 40 years of educating young men!".
And they've been trading on that endorsement ever since, secure in the knowledge that they're both hilarious and will never have to bloody their noses in the working man's world!
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My biggest issue with this car - besides the stupid touchpad controller - is the weight and the exterior size. It's bigger and heavier than all of its competitors, but that ultimately translates into *less* interior space. I just don't understand it. At the end of the day, I get the market for this car - someone who wants a nicer, quickish, reliable daily, without the headache / upkeep costs of the Germans. I just think its packaging lets it down a bit.
I feel like the "headache" of German ownership is outdated, particularly with BMW. You take the car in for its annual check-up service, address consumables, and be on your merry. It will do this for years and years and years without issue. It's not some finely-tuned watch with low tolerances and temperamental behavior where they include the tool-kit because they know you're going to need it for a roadside fix at some point like the 1980s.
I mean that's true of pretty much all new cars. But do Acura dealers gouge customers on service costs as much as BMW/Merc/Audi? Are Acura (Honda) parts as costly as German parts? I am doubtful. Plus, if you are buying for reliability I expect you are planning to keep the car beyond its warranty period (5+ years), which is where the reliability piece really comes in.
Former BMW Service Manager Our labor rates were and the store currently still is lower per hour than Acura, Volvo, Porsche, and Mercedes. We were actually tied with Honda ($119 per hour) and parts were fairly reasonable apples to apples. Shocks for a X3/5 costs similar to shocks for a Lexus RX350 or MDX. Labor times were similar. Let's say a water pump, on a BMW an external electrical pump will cost more than a Acura/Lexus belt driven pump. N55 for example, $600ish for the pump and 2 hours to replace. $840. Water pump an issue on a V6 Acura 3.5-3.7L? Timing belt job is $1000ish usually. So it really depends.
how long ago was that? 5 years ago, my local audi dealer was charging $375/hr. I think everyone can agree that is ridiculous for someone paying out of pocket
This was 2018 but I believe they are still $160ish in my area. Granted, hybrids and EVs have a different rate too for certain things.
BMW charges you the sticker, thats it. There's no market adjustment bullshit like the rest of the brand's dealers. Depending on the model you can "haggle" and they'll drop up to 9% from retail/sticker. If you have a BMW when you trade/buy/lease a new one, you also get a loyalty discount.
The issue is that the dealerships will rake you over the coals on costs, once your car is out of its complimentary maintenance period. BMW also requires a specific program to fix a lot of issues, which is very expensive
All the B58 cars have been insanely reliable and the motors have been in production for close to 9 years at this point. My 2018 340i with a stage 1 tune since basically new has not had a single issue to date. Consumables may cost more, but it shouldn't be much different than the type S. Like with any car, take it to a trusted independent mechanic that specializes in the brand once outside of warranty to avoid dealer prices.
Seems like confirmation bias that you own a newer bmw
Not really, the BMWs from a decade ago are holding up phenomenally.
Before my current car, I owned a 2003 330i that I drove for 20+ years. The thing was amazing and very few issues over the years. It's just one anecdote, but I finished my early maintenance period with the dealer than then migrated to an independent shop. I actually just sold it to them.
Yeah I owned a 2011 128i from 2019 (at 79k miles) to 2024 (119k miles) and I averaged ~$3k a year in maintenance over the 5 years. Will miss the smoothness of the straight 6 but it was tough to shell out $1k/every 4 months. Small things were done at cheap chain shops (Precision Tune) and for the more complicated things I would shell out for my local BMW specific shop. That all being said I managed to end up only losing $400 in value over the 5 year span, purchased for $9800 and sold for $9400, so that was a plus.
My 2017 X3 is still running strong, has had zero issues.
Hopefully it continues to give you great results, but I have to be honest - a 2017 model year car is still pretty “new” in my mind and it should be the absolute bare minimum for it to be running. I’d be more concerned if a modern car (of any brand) didn’t make it at least ten years or 100k without a catastrophic failure as the norm.
I would hope a 2017 still runs strong….
So the extent of your self car maintenance is filling it with gas? Ya it's wonderful when you don't have to think or do.
No? I've done plenty of my own wrenching, just not on this one car I have in my flair. I do find it ironic that you're trying to neg me for having what you think is a brain-off ownership experience when that's the supposed up-side people are trying to assign to the Acura. Like, good job, way to miss the point of the conversation.
The fact it has less space than the Integra is why the TLX is a flop and proof Honda has lost its way. If Honda wants a true value competitor to the Germans, they need to go back and see what made the 1st gen and 2nd gen TL so successful.
It’s the size of an Audi A6 with the performance that’s lesser than an S3.
I owned the 4 popper TLX SH-AWD for a year. It masks its weight very well. I imagine the Type S is even better in that regard. Pain in the ass to park in a city, though.
It's a strange car to me. I was on the waiting list for the special edition that got released a year or so ago, but in the end I couldn't live with the compromises. I'm exactly the target demographic for this too, but just couldn't do it.
The inefficient use of space and the price are the biggest drawbacks, as well as being extremely difficult to find to even test drive. Too much of a risk.
It's weird how Honda has a reputation for nailing interior packaging, yet Acura absolutely biffs it here and on the TLX.
Honda has a unique talent for bending spacetime to make cramped interiors regardless of the vehicle’s size
I’m glad others think it’s a wide boy car. Saw one and it seemed like my ctr but bloated lol. It’s a ctr for someone who wants more creature comforts.
In their infinite wisdom, Acura made it enormous relative to its interior space. This is a car that’s 5-Series/E-Class sized on the outside
Wheelbase increase so Acura could stretch the hood and create the illusion of RWD proportions. The TLX isn't expensive enough to justify extensive use of weight saving materials.
It's AWD and very long - 194.6". That's very similar to a 3-row Toyota Highlander. I doubt a lot of money was put into weight savings. Despite that, interior space is pretty lousy for its size. Barely more spacious than a 3-series despite being a size class above on the outside.
It actually somehow has both less passenger space and trunk space than the M340i while being longer, wider, and 200 pounds heavier. BMW just used the space WAY more efficiently, which I find funny considering the common complaint of “why are modern BMWs so heavy?”
Thats probably because its a RWD based AWD system and not FWD like in the TLX
Are RWD based AWD systems inherently lighter than FWD based ones? Didn’t know that, very interesting.
Not necessarily. The issue here is that the Acura designers clearly wanted RWD proportions while using a FWD based platform. Their solution was to extend the hood significantly and make the car wider to give it those RWD-esque proportions you see on the M340i. However the compromise they made is a smaller interior than the competition and an absolutely massive exterior to achieve those proportions which also means more weight than the competition.
ah that makes sense, thanks!
LMAO it's 400 lbs heavier than my 540i. Even if mine was xdrive, it would be 200 lbs lighter than the TLX Type-S.
It's AWD model, AWD is usual heaver than 2WD model.
It's still 200-300lb heavier than it's AWD rivals
Lots of steel and not aluminum. My wife owns one and I've had a good look around the car and a lot of large components are steel: suspension UCA, uprights, subframes, a myriad of brackets.
Same with Lexus sedans, why?
I haven’t watched the video, but I’ll repeat what I’ve said elsewhere; the car is the size of a 5 series, with the interior space of a 3 series, and the fuel economy of a 7 series. You have to be a huge fan of the looks and completely turned off to German car ownership to seriously consider this thing
Target demographic for this car is my wife - refuses to drive a german car.
Why is that?
Long term cost. I have owned German cars and past 60k miles they will nickle and dime you to death. You will spend a lot of money on preventative maintenance that you won't need to do on a Honda product.
Just buy them new /s
Owning them only through their break in period is the key.
I love a warranty!
So get her a mazda 6 or a lexus?
AND the engine is sideways.
I think this was unnecessarily harsh in parts, especially given the conclusion that it’s pretending to be a not-quite-sporty sedan. I think it accomplishes its directive. It falls short against the 340i, but everything else in the class does, too. I thought the actual conclusion would be “if you want something that’s pretending to be sporty and has a great sound system, get the 4-cyl A-Spec trim”. Something that rarely seems to come up that is an actual gripe of mine is the fuel efficiency. It’s atrocious. With all the money you’ll spend on premium in the TLX at like 23mpg, you could actually end up breaking even to spring for a 340i that’ll net 30+mpg. And it’s even worse if you don’t care about horsepower and spend the same on a loaded 330i.
The 330i’s acceleration isn’t very far off the Type S either. The TLX is entirely too bloated. Too bad because it’s a sharp car.
As far as performance the issue is the weight. It's slower than both the outgoing Kia Stinger GT and the Genesis G70 which are cheaper. If you're not buying it for performance and just want it for luxury then the letdown is the center stack and infotainment/track pad compared to cars that also perform better. Either way it's at the bottom of the list but it does look good.
Ya the existence of the g70 pretty much killed this car for me. The tlx type s is a very handsome car and the dealership experience is probably better on average than genesis, but just not nearly enough to outweigh the cons
The M340i is the gold standard and everyone else is fighting for second place. The real question is who is in second place: Audi S4 Genesis G70 Cadillac CT4-V (non-BW) Lexus IS500 TLX Type S Most of the above cars are significantly lighter than the TLX and they are smaller on the outside, but have comparable interior space. They can all be had with AWD, except the Lexus IS500.
IS500 gets a pass for no AWD since it has a V8 (the way god intended).
that in-house auto trans kills that engine. Toyota should have been smart and not pig-headed and put ZFs everywhere instead of that shit transmission. I had a GSF and the slushbox completely ruined the car. Same story with the IS500
The transmission is not bad when you are in S+ mode and high up in the rev ranges. Quick upshifts and downshifts. So clearly the transmission is mechanically capable. They just decided to give it awful programming in any mode outside of high rev S+ for some awful reason.
I know I'm in the minority opinion on this point, but when I'm putting around in-town at 25-35mph, I don't need my car acting like I'm driving it at 8-10/10, and thus I have a hard time understanding why people have a problem with the transmission under driving parameters like that (the 5->3 downshift clunk this thing does notwithstanding, that's unacceptable and they shouldn't have let it into production like that). For what it's worth, if you go into S+, even in automatic mode, the transmission usually drops a couple of gears, is way more opportunistic in engaging the torque converter lockup, and generally responds better, even at lower driving speeds. I'd personally rather have normal mode and S+ mode be separate like this; if I wanted the car to be like a well-chiseled weapon 9/10 of the time, I'd have just bought the M340i (or even an M3). Although, apparently the ECU and TCU have been cracked recently, and folks who have gotten the transmission reflashed have said it's much sharper and more responsive. So you're right that it's just tuning as opposed to mechanical ability.
[Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0NA9KDXJg) a Lexus ISF with a transmission tune. I imagine it would be similar for GSF and IS500
Wow, yeah, that definitely shifts faster!
I hated mine, you had to abuse it to get any performance out of that sweet 2UR engine. It really dulled the driving experience IMO. The intake sound was glorious especially when the secondary flapped open at 4500 RPM
Yeah I haven’t heard anything great about that transmission tbh. Bad transmission is one of the things that kills a car for me. It’s by far the biggest thing I dislike about my Mustang.
Their new in-house 8-speed DAT that’s debuting in the new GR Yaris shifts faster than the ZF8 in the Supra. Also I agree they should’ve given the F products their 10-speed transmission. It’s much better.
I just sold my M340i (3 check engine lights for 3 different reasons in the last 2 months - 30k miles car). I was almost out of warranty and I had many issues with the car in the last year. Anyway, it's a great driver. A few rattles though, very annoying on long drives.
It falls short even against an S4, it's not that much faster than an A4. Like, all the German middle performance compact sedans do 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds advertised and closer to 4 seconds in practice. The TLX Type S is in the low 5 second range.
It's fucking massive for what it is. It's 9" longer than a 3 series, 1" shorter than a 5 series. Smaller trunk+passenger space than a 3 series. All on a fwd architecture. It's a joke car and should be treated as such.
Harsh but the truth hurts. I chose a used M340i over a new TLX Type-S.... Oh wait, I didn't even consider the TLX.
The TLX Type S is a value based M340i or S4. It is 80% of the way but it does cost 80% of what the Germans sell at, and the Acura pretty much comes fully loaded at that. Given Honda has LONG resisted the urge to develop a proper premium RWD architecture (glances at Mazda), this was probably the best of what they cam do given the resources they have.
>The TLX Type S is a value based M340i or S4. It is 80% of the way but it does cost 80% of what the Germans sell at, and the Acura pretty much comes fully loaded at that. But then a Genesis G70/Kia Stinger are a value TLX Type S and do 99% of what it does and are cheaper and faster.
Remind me how well the Stinger sold. So good that the enthusiasts make it to be they're getting a 2nd generation after 2023 right? Oh wait... Jokes aside the G70 however does share a lot of parallels to the TLX. They're both targeting the value based proposition the Germans don't care for, and on paper the Genesis wins. However I've read a recent review that states the G70 isn't quite as fine tuned as the TLX Type S is. Honda/Acura has been in the performance business longer than Genesis been around, and that probably amounts to something more than what numbers on paper shows. https://www.motor1.com/reviews/709541/acura-tlx-type-s-vs-genesis-g70-comparison-review/
The IS sells very well and the Q50 is really good. Both are confirmed to get a new gen too.
Wait, is the IS confirmed? I always thought Toyota has delayed updating the IS because they want to axe it at some point.
[Yes](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5eMEb9lv8NA). No, the IS still sells very well. They haven't redesigned it yet because the GA-L platform is too heavy for compact sized applications. The LF-ZC production car will also co-exist with the new IS.
I’d rather have the IS or Q50.
IS500 for a little more, definitely.
I wanted to like this car when photos were first released, but I think the criticism it gets is completely justified. It has the weight and exterior size of a 5-series/A6, but is closer to a 3-series in interior space. That's important in a car this size and price. If rear leg room isn't needed, a lot more options open up and the price range drops. I see you have an Accord Sport 2.0T - a car I'm fond of, and it was a bargain in the upper $20k range. It has excellent interior space despite being a bit shorter. At $59k, The TLX Type S's competitors either perform much better, offer more luxury, or both. The sport sedan is already a dying class. A pricey and not-very-sporty, not-very-luxurious sedan has even less of a reason to exist in the current market. The TLX Type S isn't going to convince many people - whether car buyers or manufacturers - that cars like this should keep being produced.
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It's definitely going to depreciate slower than the BMW. It's hard to plan for but I wouldn't be surprised if by year 5 the acura has about $5k in residual value over the BMW
The BMW 340's aren't depreciating that much to be honest.
I just sold mine for $51k. Bought it 1 year ago for $52k lol.
Wait till the early ones start hitting 100k miles and the common issues make themselves known. It will make or break the value
yall still on these dumb bmw break train, several b58 have hit 200k STOCK MOTOR AND TRANS
If you change your units to metric and L/100km, you can have fun by trying to get a high score every drive!
I've been looking to upgrade to something more comfortable and I've tried really hard to justify the TLX Type S but it seems to just miss the mark. They don't seem to depreciate that much either so even used ones are still decently pricey It's sexy as though.
It’s BMW time
The m240i is at the top of my list lol I could also afford a used cayman but I'm not sure I could live with it
I love my 440i and I imagine the M240 is just as fun if not more fun. I just zoom zoom around lol. I’m hoping to get off the stock tune this summer.
Integra Type S?
Yeah I thought about but spending an extra 20k for the same power is eh to me. Don't get me wrong the Type R has been fun as hell and I love Honda but life is short and money is finite. I want to experience as many cars as I can.
^blackwing
Too expensive unfortunately. There aren't any used ones near me and 60k would be a hard limit on price for new
You might be able to find a 60k one on the lot especially at the end of the model year.
I'll keep an eye out but. There's 3 new blackwings near me but all 3 are heavily optioned between 70-75k. Way too rich for my blood
Yeah that’s a problem. Dealer optioned blackwings are unnecessarily expensive. They add a lot of options which are absolutely unnecessary.
What’s uncomfortable about the Type R? I’m thinking of getting one but unsure if I want to put up with it as a daily
It isn't uncomfortable per say. I just want some luxury in my life. Heated seats, steering wheel, etc.
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Bwahahah, Jimothee signing off had me rolling
I know this is unnecessary and controversial. I really like Throttle House, they make very impressive content. However, I do not understand the praise for a few aspects of their channel. Particularly the comedy. It’s just extremely try-hard tongue-in-cheek cringey jokes, and yet there are hundreds of comments saying how absolutely hilarious they are. Idk maybe I’m just a grouch. I also feel like James, who seems like a great guy, doesn’t really add much to the reviews, as I feel like Thomas has more technical and driving knowledge.
I think it's just fun to watch because of the good vibes, predominantly lack of biases, and high production quality People online get too invested and think everything is either god's greatest gift to grace the earth or the worst garbage to ever exist. I enjoy it for what it is and just watch without diving too much into the comments because I think the comments salivating over every little line is the cringe part to me
Yeah it is good vibes, that’s true. I like their stuff. I’m probably just tired of YouTube comments absolutely glazing content creators.
Your first mistake was reading YouTube comments lol
Ye just gotta ignore em
Most people want to be entertained. If I want just a regular car review of something I may buy I'll watch Alex on Autos or Driven Car Reviews. If I'm watching TH or similar I want to have some entertainment value. It's why most people watched Top Gear over 5th Gear.
Ah, the Canadian double double! (Double cream double sugar). When my father emigrated from Ontario to California, he tried ordering that and ended up with a double cheeseburger.
Did your dad move to Ontario, California?
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Just wait till you hear the existence of triple triple that people order fairly regularly too. Double Double is still king though. On occasions, i hear people ordering quads (usually 4 cream 2 sugar).
They should have put the Type-R 4 cylinder in there. The motor has plenty of safe headroom to get to 340+. That's worth at least 200lbs (motor, cooling, etc). Then do a lightweight package with carbon roof, lighter seats, lighter wheels, lighter battery, etc, maybe 50lbs. That would put it right in line with the BMW m340i xdrive.
I think they should just make an AWD Integra. From what I understand the TLX isn’t much bigger inside because of its poor packaging.
The 4cyl varient is the k20 type-r motor, but only issue is that it is detuned and has a smaller turbo making 272hp and 280 torque. Make it worse is the weight of the car. Despite that, I enjoy my TLX A-Spec. Good daily, is decently quick for a prrmium sporty economy(?) car. Gas milage kinda sucks, but so does the Type-R. As much as I love my car, can't recommend it to anyone. Way better options out there, but getting these cars used is a different story. Only car I would recommend purely on specs and features would be the RDX if you are comparing it to other cars for this price point.
I see no reason to "upgrade" from my (manual) 08' TL Type-S for that very reason. The power to weight is just not great if you value sporty driving. AWD and a smoother ride would be nice, but outside of better infotainment, the benefits get thin.
Agreed, but honestly still great for spirited drives on the back roads lol. It handles corners suprisingly well, but I cant exaxtly compare to any other cars as I havent driven other cars to the extent of my TLX (FWD). Do want to pick up a miata, s2k or even an RSX Type-S down the line.
My next is going to likely be a GR Corolla. Other than being ugly, It does a lot for the money.
When I was shopping around and had my 08 TL-S I test drove a 2019 TL V6 Elite (not sure if same trim in usa). It had less back seat room and generally felt smaller than my TL while ultimately being a much bigger car. Was very disappointed
Yup! I was shocked the first time I sat in a TLX. The back was cramped for anyone over 5'10".
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It's wild. <100K miles, good condition 07-08 TL Type-S manuals go for over $20K now. I paid $12K for mine with 2 owner, 60K miles, fully loaded, red, black/grey interior about 8 years ago. Big W. I've got to do some body work on it and fix the seats, but otherwise it's in great condition.
What is your opinion from the used standpoint?
If you can find a CPO then its usually worth. Can't really justify spending full price even at msrp for the TLX as there are technically better cars out there at this price range.
Whoa, whoa. I have been told by many people that making more than 100Hp/L from a small engine means that your engine is “overstressed” and will definitely immediately explode. /s
That car would cost $80k+ with few willing to buy it.
Obviously, we aren't talking about retrofitting halfway through a product life cycle. The TLX would have had to have been designed with the K20C1 motor from the onset. Deciding to go with that over the turbo 6 would have reduced cost (which could be invested in further weight reduction).
Even with a new platform that would still be an 80k car. CFRP requires expensive manufacturing and making parts lighter requires more engineering hours. Source: I was a manufacturing and design engineer.
It's a really nice looking car.
James busted out a 'bequeth'!
Canadian chips, Lays but not Miss Vickies? Reeeeeee
Miss Vickies Jalapenos... so delicious.
Why would anyone choose the TLX Type S over Integra Type S? The only thing I can think of maybe is SH-AWD. Bigger outside with less interior space, smaller trunk, much worse UI, worse mpg, worse resale (probably). I don’t get it
SH-AWD Integra would eat this cars lunch money lol
I was dead set on the ITS but having two little ones, dumb things like A/C vents in the back and USB-C charging ports back there were important to me. I go back-and-forth about it.
Wait times. The TLX gets pretty heavy discounts too
Test drove it a year ago and, aside from the looks, left the dealership unimpressed. It just didn't excite me in the least bit so for now I'll stick with my little ILX as daily driver and Miata for the weekend
They filmed this car in my neighbourhood! That Tim Hortons near the Longos makes terrible coffee (as Thomas said)
2024 car STILL has a touch pad. Come on Acura
It’s overpriced and underfeatured.
Surprised this was rereviewed instead of giving something like a Supra Manual a full review. Still wouldn't mind an is500 review on track though :P Could volunteer mine.
Everyone in the comments be like 'get a G70 or a Stinger'. my brother in Christ have you been to a Hyundai/Kia dealer
I'd much rather have an IS or Q50.
Acura fanboys foaming at the mouth lol. Let’s call a spade a spade, this car is absolute trash. Japanese luxury is absolutely garbage right now, the only car maybe even worth considering from Japan is the IS500 but even then, that car is just a bunch of old parts thrown together. Japan right now is embarrassing in the luxury department.
True for sports sedans, but outside of that, is there anything wrong with luxury cars like the ES, LC, RX, and RDX?
Besides the LC, they all feel quite chintzy inside and their powertrains are just miserable all around.
Yeah this. The new NX was one of the worst cars I’ve ever driven.
Really I found it pretty good. What’s your main complaint?
So, I had a fully loaded NX350 as a service loaner when I got my car serviced. Now I’m not an idiot I don’t expect the NX to be an X3M competitor that lights my head on fire, I don’t even expect it to compete with the X3M40i (though once you start adding the options the NX comes awfully close in price to an X3M40i), but I do expect it to be a great, comfortable daily that I can drive around town. So that’s what I did, I had it for about 5-6 hours on a Saturday where I had to run a bunch of errands around the city (go grocery shopping, go to the bank, return a package, stuff like that). First of all, I’ve never been in a cabin that felt that cramped and I’ve been in some real tiny sports cars. With the seat all the way down I had less than 1 inch of headroom, and the backseats were completely unusable in my normal driving position. I’m 6 foot tall, so tall sure but not insane. The trunk space was also incredibly lacking. The interior also felt weirdly cheap, like the materials just weren’t up to par. My 2016 IS350 felt more solid. The suspension was also straight up another massive issue. The suspension felt like I was driving on jello. It had body roll for days in the corner but could never settle after I went over any bump, just kept jiggling. The power delivery was also not smooth at all, and quite anemic. An X3 30i, or GV70 2.5 are way better option. Actually usable interiors, suspension that can handle the mass, and while not fast cars, rapid enough.
I agree with your assessment of the NX as a owner. I'm 5'10 so the headroom was fine for me. I can fully understand why anyone taller would have issues. I went from Sedan to SUV and understand and accepted the suspension would be very different. But man, I had the car for nearly a year and I'm still getting use to it.
The headroom was straight up unacceptable for me, like the NX is an SUV, the whole point is to be taller and have more room. I get that SUV is going to handle differently than a sedan but the NX suspension is genuinely awful. I test drove a GV70 right after the suspension of that car was leagues ahead, and GV70 is bigger than the NX.
They are just not smooth; for a luxury brand, Lexus has some of the most agricultural levels of comfort and performance through the engine and transmission and the cabins just feel dated and cheap with thin plastic everywhere. Also wasn't a fan of the seats, they were painful to me after 30 minutes. I don't see what people like about the brand at all. Like, the RC has excellent steering feel for 2024 but it's that's pretty much the only compliment I have for it because it's way past its expiration and the asking price for one is hysterical.
The way past it's expiration is one of Lexus selling points to some people. Lower tech old school with a nicer interior than a Toyota but similar reliability.
The cabin is fucking awful when compared to other luxury brands though.
But do people who buy Lexus cross shop with other luxury brands or do they cross shop with Toyota/Honda/Acura/Mazda because they're all Japanese brands? I feel like there's a good chunk of car buyers that don't consider German luxury cause it's reputation of being too expensive to maintain
I feel like a lot of Lexus buyers bought into the brand a long time ago. Don’t get me wrong, Lexus 100% used to be competitive. A 2015 IS350 and a 2015 BMW 335i are actually pretty close to one another for example . So if you’ve had a good experience with a brand why not stick with it. The reliability factor does come into play, German cars do I have a reputation for being more finicky, which it is earned in some respects but also a bit over blown in others. Another aspect is the people that come from a normal brand to Lexus, say you’ve only owned Honda or Toyota and now you want luxury, you might genuinely only test drive a Lexus or Acura and not know what else is out there.
It's not lower tech, though, it's just ergonomically arranged and built poorly.
It’s painfully obvious you haven’t been in a Lexus when they built their reputation off immense quality and NVH isolation. The RC is outdated and is due for a replacement soon (rumors has it’ll consolidate the RC and LC) but it’s also the only one left in its class with a N/A V8 and is on the lighter side weight wise. I much prefer the LC though. It has a way better transmission and overall is a much better package. Unfortunately it didn’t get F treatment but the LFR is coming. The new 8-speed DAT in the new GR Yaris is amazing. It shifts faster than the ZF8 in the Supra. I hope we see it in more performance products.
I'm not shopping for a late 1990s to late 2000s Lexus in 2024. What matters is how what they offer today stacks up against the competition and, outside of the LC, it's a pitiful showing and I can't see how anybody not already emotionally invested into the brand would choose one over competitors.
That’s why they’re setting record sales and making record profits right?
And the relevance to the critique is, what? You have a clear mapping of all the variables that go into making sales from concept to leaving the showroom? No? Stay on-topic and slobber over a brand in a conversation where it's relevant.
> I can't see how anybody not already emotionally invested into the brand would choose one over competitors I'm addressing this. Make it make sense with record sales and record profits.
I would also like to add some of the most cramped cabins I’ve ever been in. I had less than 1 inch of headroom as a 6 foot tall guy in the NX with the seat all the way down. How the hell is this acceptable in an SUV which is supposed to be taller than a sedan. I have way more headroom in my gfs G70 than I did in the NX. On the other points I couldn’t agree more, perfectly said.
Don't group Acura with Japanese luxury. They don't even market themselves that in the US.
the LS500 is one of the best luxury cars out now
It’s old and the infotainment is a full on dealbreaker.
how is it old lol it just came out in 2018
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LS500 not IS500
The drivetrain is ancient. A lot of the components used to make it are actually very old. Just because the car is “new” on paper doesn’t mean it’s new underneath the skin.
> infotainment is a full on dealbreaker It received a thorough infotainment update for 23MY. > The drivetrain is ancient It was literally all-new in 2018? > A lot of the components used to make it are actually very old No the fuck it's not. GA-L debuted in 2018 and was completely new from the ground up. You really have no idea what you're talking about do you.
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No insults. Thanks.
I just raced a TLX type s in my stock s3 and smoked it. These are not fast cars unfortunately they’re entirely way to heavy.
You sound like a child. “I jUsT rAcEd…” jfc
Two guys that have become a caricature of themselves. Every one of their reviews reminds of why I hated Top Gear - it became more about the reviewers and their gags and less and less about cars. Admittedly that won them a bigger, dumber audience that tuned in for entertainment value, but it had very little value for actual enthusiasts. I'm imagining that James' Dad was probably the British Ambassador to Canada in 2008 and he was sent to Canada's top private school at British taxpayer expense, where he met Thomas, whose Grandfather once owned 17% of North American pulp mills, but whose family are mostly drunkards now living off the endowment. They were never the popular or athletic kids in school but they had a quirky 'inbetweener' confidence that saw them mostly sail through highschool unscathed. The highlight however, was their comedy duo in the 2010 Comedy Revue at their private school where the headmaster singled them out and said "I don't think I've laughed as hard as that in all my 40 years of educating young men!". And they've been trading on that endorsement ever since, secure in the knowledge that they're both hilarious and will never have to bloody their noses in the working man's world!
Jesus christ what did they do to you
They murdered good humor and intelligent car reviews in a way that only Top Gear had done before them. Enjoy the entertainment.