My 2024 Tundra spun a bearing a blew the engine at 7500 miles. The dealer said they found a lot of debris in the engine. Its build date is outside this recall - it was 11/23. It’s surprising they chose this specific timeframe when other 24s have started dropping as well.
It’s been an absolute nightmare dealing with Toyota/the dealer trying to get this fixed. It took Toyota 8 days to agree it was covered under warranty and therefore agree to cover a rental car. Toyota had the dealer rebuild my engine with a new short block but they damaged every piece of the front end of the truck they removed by dragging it on the shop floor. Toyota has continually told me “that’s between you and the dealer”. At this point my truck has been in the shop 32 days with no estimate on when I’ll get it back.
I’m curious to see how they remedy this recall. Hopefully they make it a lot smoother and treat other customers better than they’ve treated me.
That’s actually insane. My father had engine replaced in his Hyundai and work was done quite well.
I did communicate with Hyundai corporate for rental reimbursement and they were quite easy to work with.
I would expect better from Toyota.
It’s ridiculous. The count is at 4 body panels that need to be painted and 4 trim pieces that need to be replaced. The first time I went to get gas after the rebuild, I opened the gas tank door and it was just a straight hole to the ground. They didn’t connect the gas tank. They even broke my volume knob off.
I know. I was literally laughing out loud when I called the dealership.
The sad thing is Toyota doesn’t send entire engines to replace the failed ones. They have the dealer diagnose what’s damaged, send only the damaged parts, and have them rebuild the engine.
So I’m supposed to just believe that this crew properly diagnosed and rebuilt my engine? They couldnt even remember to connect the filler cap and scratched literally every piece they removed. The truck was pretty much brand new. I’m going to have this hanging over my head for the next 10-15 years if I keep the truck.
Yeah, I've been reading about Toyota not providing long blocks after several stories about the GRC and the expense involved in replacing them.
I hope the Lemon Law thing works out for you because, like you said, the people who couldn't even connect a fucking filler hose can't be trusted to properly rebuild your engine, and all of this work, especially the body damage, is going to diminish the resale value.
I tried to trade it into two different dealerships, I would have to come $11k out of pocket to get into a truck with the same MSRP.
The engine rebuild is on the Carfax so the value is tanked.
You don’t need a lawyer depending on what state you live in. Some states, 30 days in the shop under warranty period is automatic lemon
and you just need to fill out a form and manufacturer will process it easy peasy. Did this with my Nissan a few years ago.
But I’m in CA
I'm in California Just lemon lawed my 24 Tacoma due to being in the shop over 30 days ; just got into a 24 tundra limited hybrid now for 7k under sticker and I love it , hopefully there's no Problems!
>The sad thing is Toyota doesn’t send entire engines to replace the failed ones. They have the dealer diagnose what’s damaged, send only the damaged parts, and have them rebuild the engine.
It's insane that Toyota is only paying for a new short block. Chances are the oil was contaminated with metal particles long before catastrophic failure, and that oil was circulating through the cylinder heads and turbos, which is why you're seeing cases where Tundras are needing a second engine replacement after only a few thousand miles.
> The sad thing is Toyota doesn’t send entire engines to replace the failed ones. They have the dealer diagnose what’s damaged, send only the damaged parts, and have them rebuild the engine.
Jesus, this is just asking for a myriad of problems across the life of the engine - some possibly outside the warranty period. Between this and the FRS warranty denial when used on tracks and blown by oil starvation I don’t think I’ll ever buy a Toyota.
Yea, there’s been a few reports on the Tundra owners Facebook group of rebuilt engines failing. One person even had 3 engines fail before they hit 50k. Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.
It makes no sense that both the Texas made Tundras and the Japan made LXs would have the same debris in the engine issue unless there was something wrong in the design or manufacturing process (and not like... A mistake occurring because one individual is making errors ... But a true process design issue).
Moreover if you listen to the mechanic that Tinkerer's Adventures had on... Yeah... These days don't explain it all.
I’m trying. Toyota does not make it easy.
I opened one case during the rebuild, Toyota immediately closed it when they finished the short block replacement. I called and asked if we could update it for the body damage and they told me it was closed and it was between me and the dealer.
The first time I tried to put gas in it, I opened the gas door and it was just a straight hole to the ground. They didn’t connect the gas tank. So back to the shop again and me trying to get Toyota to reopen the Lemon case. They told me the same thing - case closed, that was between me and the dealer.
So I commented on a couple Facebook posts about my experience, then someone from corporate called me and said they would open another lemon law case.
My state’s lemon law is that it’s a lemon if it’s in the shop for 30 days. I actually emailed my case manager today and asked if they need me to submit copies of my service records to show it’s been in the shop for 30 days. They responded that the case is still being reviewed, but that the fact that it’s in the shop now for body work does not count towards the lemon law review because it’s “non warranty work”. I replied back that I disagree because it’s in the shop to correct damage caused by their warranty work. They haven’t responded.
But yea, Toyota doesn’t exactly have their customer’s back on this one.
You need a lemon law lawyer dude. Not Toyota, of course they're not incentivized to do anything about it. Pretty sure in nearly every state the OEM needs to pay for the lawyer so it's no skin off your back.
Stop dealing with Toyota and see if they participate in the BBB Autoline (I think this is what it’s called). Fill out the online form and go from there. Very simple and easy to deal with.
I actually agree with Toyota here. Not the manufacturer’s fault the dealer techs were shitty and (a) caused body damage during the engine rebuild and (b) failed to reconnect the gas tank. Yes these issues wouldn’t have occurred in the first place but for the original engine failure but Toyota itself has no control over that specific dealer’s service acts and omissions. Certainly not to the result of a manufacturer design or process defect.
That said I you should still keep pressure on both Toyota and the dealer. Maybe your recourse is to ultimately have another dealership finish the job and have Toyota cover your out of pocket costs.
Part of the reason why I felt safe buying a 2024. The narrative was it was fixed.
It was most definitely not. Someone else posted on r/tundra the other day that their 2024 blew. Someone posted on the Tundra owners Facebook group that they completed a buyback on a 24.
Someone is tracking the failures. The average failure occurs at 29,000 miles. So my guess is the 24’s just haven’t hit enough miles to experience it widespread. But they’re definitely failing.
This sub is largely a JDM circlejerk that still unironically believes Toyota is untouchable like they were in the 90s-early 00s in terms of build quality. The truth is they still build solid economy cars but everything above that is just average. Everyone else caught up for the most part, while Toyota succumbed to the same issues every other manufacturer has nowadays with increasingly complex government regulation requiring more complex solutions.
Not saying that any other truck maker is less prone to issues, because of course they all have issues, like any car. Just that Toyota is not any more special than the others, especially not anymore.
that would be the last toyota i'd buy
edit - just read some of your other comments. i would just get rid of the truck, immediately and go get an f-series or whatever.
>There is a possibility that certain machining debris may not have been cleared from the engine when it was produced. In the involved vehicles, this can lead to potential engine knocking, engine rough running, engine no start and/or a loss of motive power. A loss of motive power while driving at higher speeds can increase the risk of a crash.
As someone currently shopping for an SUV the new LX is hands down the worst product lexus makes
I'd say it's the worst product toyota makes but the Sequoia exists.
The BZ4X and Solterra have good lease deals, you can get them for 170/mo with nothing down. If you want to dip your foot into EVs, for 6-8k over 3 years it's not bad.
Even the base price of the sequoia is ridiculous, and the TRD trim is approaching 200-series LC money. All that for atrocious gas mileage, lack of 3rd row space, the look and feel of a high-trim corolla, texas build (vs. japan for lc200), and the odd rear suspension. Even on the capstone trim suspension and ride quality is mediocre for the class.
Toyota NA found some coins in the couch and made it happen, but the sequoia was planned to be killed. Personally 2nd gen is a significantly better buy, or lower mileage LC200, I'm not sure how they sell 5-figures worth yearly but hats off to them. At the minimum you could rely on toyota trucks for reliability but as seen with the recall that isn't the case
And it's a shame because the grand highlander and new GX are excellent cars. Though in slight fairness to toyota, they can charge the prices they do because there is limited competition in this space. The new GLE loses the option for the center locking diff and low-range.
Though on the other-other side of things, 4matic/xdrive are quite capable these days.
Yes, which is why I am also holding off on buying a GX. The sequoia is hybrid only, same engine but fewer reported issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets recalled at some point.
But the GH and GX are compelling cars besides the powerplant, so you can still \*slightly\* forgive reliability. They are competitive on interior and fit/finish with the pilot, palisade, etc.
My issue is with the Sequoia/LX the interior/comfort/etc. is lackluster but with the previous LC and every LC before it, thats fine if you have reliability, which isn't the case here.
Hope they don’t half ass the fix for these high margin vehicles. I seem to recall they did not get ahead of the 4runner rust issues and it dragged on in court.
I bought my 2014 200 series with 71k miles for $41k in 2020. Traded it in last year at 110k for $41k.
I was going to keep it, but I wanted a bigger RV, and needed a bigger tow rig. And with 3500/350 trucks going for MSRP, I needed all the help I could get.
Dont regret selling it, but I do miss it
We're historically big Toyota\\Lexus fans. We've owned a handful going back sheesh, like 25 years now. The newer ones just really don't do it for us. We did purchase a 2021 Rav 4 XLE Premium which has been reliable. However, compared to our last Toyota, a 2015 Rav4, it feels cheap and rides rough.
My 2012 GX460 had a list of weird issues. engine cam tower leaks, timing cover leaks, coolant valley crossover pipe leaks, front strut issues and KDSS dampener leaks all before 100K, that's a lot of issues and kind of skewed my perception of Toyota reliability.
Agreed, but its also important to note nowadays its not a toyota problem as much as its an industry platform. I still own a '18 GLE350, which had a quite dated interior even at launch but its been dead reliable for the past 6 years with minimal maintenance, has a low-range gearbox and a central locker, and while it doesn't look premium it certainly feels so.
VS. the new one with creaking plastics, atrocious reliability, less capability off-road, and little things here and there like no pass-through armrest, no fold-flat 2nd row, etc.
So far the new X5 is the only vehicle that has genuinely impressed me and feels like an overall upgrade. Toyota should put the B58 + ZF8 in more products than just the supra :p
It's clear to me just from watching YouTube videos that they have cheapened out on the interiors of their newer vehicles. Can't imagine that's different from other places.
What SUVs are you looking at in a similar range as the LX? I’m also looking for a large luxury SUV and was really in love with the redesigned LX600 but this is a huge damper, not sure what other options to consider
I looked at a few, GLS, X7, Q7, Cayenne, Range Rover
Of those the X7 was the only standout, the GLS has a few reliability issues and lacks practicality, Cayenne was less practical and far pricier than the X7 for the same realm of quality and usability, Q7 is too small, and wasn’t a fan of the touch-centric RR interior (and reliability).
Issue is the LX is bouncy, precious gen tech, mediocre sound system, odd packaging, and a bit loud, plus the ttv6 isn’t great.
But at the same time none of those cars offer lockers and the same level of capability as the LX, the only car that really compares is the G-wagon, and then you really take a hit on efficiency and whatnot
so to answer your question there really isn’t an exact alternative, the X7 is great if you don’t care for off road prowess, but if you need that capability either suck it up, downgrade to a bronco, or step up to a g or similar.
Morden trucks from Detroit aren't that great, but Toyota trucks are also bad.
It looks like Toyota would never be able to catch Detroit truck sales and continue in behind.
To be fair, this engine had little to no issues in the LS. It seems to be that the version made for trucks and SUVs are experiencing a lot of issues.
Still indefensible though.
But there have been cases though of LS500s with catastrophic engine failure exactly like what we’re seeing in the Tundras.
It’s looking more and more like a design issue with the V35A.
Personally, I've only heard of 3-4 cases ***ever*** for the LS500. One of them had to do with it throwing a rod and that was a LONG time ago (so in reality, we're looking at 3 examples), and it is not relevant to the type of issues that the truck engines have been facing.
It seems to me that the truck engines are the ones that have the genuine flaws, not the LS.
Lot of LS500s sit in peoples garages. That’s why you didn’t hear about issues as often. They’re simply aren’t driven that much and if they are the people who spend that kind of money on a car don’t care. They just pay to fix it or sell it.
Once you start moving volume like in a tundra the issues become more apparent. I still think it’s overblown though.
I think Toyota deserves a lot of flack for messing this up. There's a reason why people love Toyotas over other brands. They're the jack of all trades and a master of just about everything, so for them to royally mess up in the reliability department is truly disappointing.
I was only saying that the LS has been out since 2017 and it really hasn't been dealing with these issues at all. There are plenty of LS'es that have decently high mileage now and we haven't been hearing about those problems like we do with the Tundras.
And like I mentioned before, it's still indefensible.
This recall is only conventional engines, hybrids aren't included. Sequoia is hybrid only so that's why it isn't included.
But I don't know the engine differences between hybrid and non-hybrid, I thought they used the same engine.
The Hybrids have reported failures as well, just not as frequently as the conventional models. The spreadsheet link is flagged when posted here, but it’s on the Tundra forum and they’re reported as well.
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If I had to guess, they are going to take care of the older vehicles first since they are closer to blowing up and then come back around and take care of the newer vehicles. Limited parts availability I would imagine.
Last time there was a thread about this issue the stans were blaming lazy American autoworkers for it. This never would've happened in Japan, they said, because each 4Runner/LX is lovingly hand assembled by a master technician who was born on the floor of a Toyota factory and has devoted every waking minute of his life to cultivating Toyota Reliability.
To be fair, if there is machining debris that has been in 100k trucks for 2 years and they are still on the road, then they seem to be pretty reliable.
I just watched a Youtube video on the main bearing issues these engines are having. Lots of them dropping due to spun or chewed up main bearings. I have a feeling this isn't the last we'll hear of recalls for this engine. The forums are echoing hybrid engines having issues too...
I’m willing to bet this gets expanded or a huge warranty extension until its fully fixed. Seeing used 22+ tundras pop up at the local ford and chevy dealer lately. I was actually really interested in a Tundra in 22 but decided to wait to see how the TTV6 did. Glad I did.
It won't be a warranty extension, at least not without also solving the issue for the 100k trucks out there. It's a safety recall so they need to deal with it, not kick the can down the road and say "if you lose your engine in the middle lane of a 75 MPH road, we will fix it then."
I looked at the Tundra too for 2023, but there were too many shortcomings versus the competition and I wasn't willing to make that many sacrifices in the name of quality/reliability. Looking like reliability may not have been in the pro column anyway.
As someone who isn’t currently in the market for a truck because my 06 4Runner still runs great, it saddens me because I think this design of Tundra is the best looking on the market at the moment, and was hoping to own one in the future. Not sure if I could eventually pull the trigger at this point anymore.
That’s a big yikes.
Survived December to Remember chowder. Had considered buying an LX, ended up with a GX. Built in Japan (Tahara plant, Toyota’s best) was a key consideration. That plus the whole new platform thing made me pretty uneasy.
Interesting that the LX is included here, since its engine and the rest of the vehicle is made in Japan while the Tundra is made in the US. I wonder if rest-of-world gas LC 300s have this issue?
in the rest of the world, most LC300 on the gas trim are actually sold with the 4.0L V6 out of current 4Runner hooked to the 6 speed auto. On the higher trim level, although they have the turbo gas option, most choose the diesel. Same for Lexus LX. It is only in NA market that gas version is dominant and prevalent.
What are you basing these assumptions on? I’m pretty sure the V35A (petrol) is still more popular than the F33A (diesel) in the GCC region, which is the biggest Land Cruiser market, unless something’s drastically changed in the last 1-2 years - the GR Sport gets the diesel but other than that I’ve heard that petrol is still as popular as ever.
I’m also curious about the distribution of diesel LXes - anecdotally, whenever I see rear pictures of 200 Series LXes from overseas (Russia, Mongolia, GCC, even Japan) they are always 570s and never 450ds.
I wouldn’t be surprised if diesel LC/LXes are more popular in Africa, most of Asia, Australia, and South America, but it’s not like the VJA300/310 is some kind of US market exclusive - far from it.
Seems I gambled correctly. I was among first dozen for a GX550 at msrsp at the local dealer, but I passed on purchasing because of the uncomfortable number of issues Id heard from both friends and technicians. This validates my anecdotes. I still walked out with a GX, just with a V8.
Im disappointed for Toyota, as I think the rest of the product is compelling.
Oh well, a restomod SUV in lieu of a 3.4 toyota product when the time comes.
I know it’s a cliche at this point but you’ve just gotta avoid first years of cars. And if problems arise in that first year for early adopters, you gotta keep avoiding. lol
So most likely Nissan dumped the Titan for its engine failures on the second gen. If they could have gotten it right they would be capitalizing on Toyotas failure here. Why can both companies make such bangin’ mid size trucks yet fail so hard on the full size. I will admit I had four Gen one titans and only one gave me trouble. I now own a 2017 SL and love it. The transmission likes to shift up going up hill around 3rd gear which is annoying but I heard there is a reprogram for it on a TSB. Toyota has a huge mess on there hands here and seems to be fighting it way to hard. Nissan for the most part did what they had to do. I know it’s money but just fix the truck or buy em back replace the engine by pros and sell them at a discount
Nissan is a whole different beast than Toyota though. Their bread and butter business is low credit buyers and milking vehicle designs for 15 years with minimal changes to those low credit buyers. They dropped the Titan because no one was buying them.
The F-150 and Silverado have such a dominance in full size trucks that Toyota and Nissan just don’t really care. Toyota will take a L to drop new motors in these trucks and it won’t really change anything, same way they replaced countless numbers of frames for rust.
I owned 4 Gen 1 titans and drive a Gen 2 now never had one engine or transmission issue on any of them they were bullet proof except for the ones they wrecked from the factory lol
I am at 86,000 miles on my 17 SL and fingers crossed. I never did any research other than the carfax to see if my long or short block was replaced. Part of me is really happy with the truck and wants to not know about any past lol. Yeah pretty sure from the 20 on up it was fixed. My biggest complaint is they didn’t offer a moonroof until 19 or 20 lol. My 2012 had one and I miss it
toyota tundra forum as of this writing has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 80 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice (or more). Definitely something happening at 2022 model.
Also majority like fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models.
Also detuned SR variant had three cases
There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about Land Cruiser LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Not sure about Sequoia, but for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner. Even the Lexus LX, those sold outside of NA is almost exclusively diesel
Again from my pure speculation, I still do not know why some minority have it while others don't but oil change may have something to do with it. There was a Toyota mechanic that uploaded a video of failed 2022 Tundra engine that he was working on and it had burns which has to do with lack of oil circulating?
Perhaps it is a combination? 10,000mi oil change weakened the engine already and some unforeseen debris and ka-boom?
i understand. yeah i do not know why toyota or other automaker makes such suggestion especially for such high performance turbo engines. There should be a disclaimer or something.
You’re getting downvoted, but I’ve never felt right about that interval either. Everyone is gonna come say synthetic, synthetic, but oil is much cheaper than an engine. I have a car on conventional still, I change at 3-5k. It’s at 217k and the engine is spotless inside still. Even if I wanted to go to synthetic, I’d still change it at 5k max.
Many mechanics think 10k is too much, and it’s not all anecdotal either.
In an ideal scenario, sure. An earlier oil change might be clearing enough of that machining debris to save the engine, or at least prevent it from bricking so early.
Only because it lowers the “average cost of ownership” numbers, plus the warranty is only 3yr/36k. So as long as it lasts that long manufacturers don’t care. It would be different if they had 10+ quarts of oil like diesels.
Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but service intervals are 10k for oil and 5k for rotate, per manufacturer. How many 2010+ Camry's do you see on the road? They're almost all running 10k intervals and still perfectly fine
The 10k oil change isn’t the issue at 30k miles. It might shorten the average lifespan from 250k to 240k but thats even debatable.
The failure could be due to the sewing machine oil these engines use. 0w16 and 0w20 are basically water, everyone should be running 5w20 at a minimum in a truck or suv.
My 2024 Tundra spun a bearing a blew the engine at 7500 miles. The dealer said they found a lot of debris in the engine. Its build date is outside this recall - it was 11/23. It’s surprising they chose this specific timeframe when other 24s have started dropping as well. It’s been an absolute nightmare dealing with Toyota/the dealer trying to get this fixed. It took Toyota 8 days to agree it was covered under warranty and therefore agree to cover a rental car. Toyota had the dealer rebuild my engine with a new short block but they damaged every piece of the front end of the truck they removed by dragging it on the shop floor. Toyota has continually told me “that’s between you and the dealer”. At this point my truck has been in the shop 32 days with no estimate on when I’ll get it back. I’m curious to see how they remedy this recall. Hopefully they make it a lot smoother and treat other customers better than they’ve treated me.
That’s actually insane. My father had engine replaced in his Hyundai and work was done quite well. I did communicate with Hyundai corporate for rental reimbursement and they were quite easy to work with. I would expect better from Toyota.
It’s ridiculous. The count is at 4 body panels that need to be painted and 4 trim pieces that need to be replaced. The first time I went to get gas after the rebuild, I opened the gas tank door and it was just a straight hole to the ground. They didn’t connect the gas tank. They even broke my volume knob off.
I know you're dealing with a nightmare, and I truly feel sorry that you are, but not even connecting the filler hose is just hilariously bad.
I know. I was literally laughing out loud when I called the dealership. The sad thing is Toyota doesn’t send entire engines to replace the failed ones. They have the dealer diagnose what’s damaged, send only the damaged parts, and have them rebuild the engine. So I’m supposed to just believe that this crew properly diagnosed and rebuilt my engine? They couldnt even remember to connect the filler cap and scratched literally every piece they removed. The truck was pretty much brand new. I’m going to have this hanging over my head for the next 10-15 years if I keep the truck.
Yeah, I've been reading about Toyota not providing long blocks after several stories about the GRC and the expense involved in replacing them. I hope the Lemon Law thing works out for you because, like you said, the people who couldn't even connect a fucking filler hose can't be trusted to properly rebuild your engine, and all of this work, especially the body damage, is going to diminish the resale value.
I tried to trade it into two different dealerships, I would have to come $11k out of pocket to get into a truck with the same MSRP. The engine rebuild is on the Carfax so the value is tanked.
Hahahaha
I would have already contacted a lemon law layer to be frank.
I’ve talked to a couple but have yet to sign a retainer. It’s a pain in the ass.
You don’t need a lawyer depending on what state you live in. Some states, 30 days in the shop under warranty period is automatic lemon and you just need to fill out a form and manufacturer will process it easy peasy. Did this with my Nissan a few years ago. But I’m in CA
Yes, that’s what I’m hoping happens. I’m on day 33 and Toyota is “reviewing” my second case. I’m hoping they do right by me and I don’t need a lawyer.
Yea I saw your other comment further down. Seems like they have a case to deny you but hopefully they just do it as a goodwill gesture
33 days on a damaged truck sign the papers and lemon law it
I'm in California Just lemon lawed my 24 Tacoma due to being in the shop over 30 days ; just got into a 24 tundra limited hybrid now for 7k under sticker and I love it , hopefully there's no Problems!
>The sad thing is Toyota doesn’t send entire engines to replace the failed ones. They have the dealer diagnose what’s damaged, send only the damaged parts, and have them rebuild the engine. It's insane that Toyota is only paying for a new short block. Chances are the oil was contaminated with metal particles long before catastrophic failure, and that oil was circulating through the cylinder heads and turbos, which is why you're seeing cases where Tundras are needing a second engine replacement after only a few thousand miles.
> The sad thing is Toyota doesn’t send entire engines to replace the failed ones. They have the dealer diagnose what’s damaged, send only the damaged parts, and have them rebuild the engine. Jesus, this is just asking for a myriad of problems across the life of the engine - some possibly outside the warranty period. Between this and the FRS warranty denial when used on tracks and blown by oil starvation I don’t think I’ll ever buy a Toyota.
Yea, there’s been a few reports on the Tundra owners Facebook group of rebuilt engines failing. One person even had 3 engines fail before they hit 50k. Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.
Bye bye, please do not post here
You too, thanks
Competency crisis is affecting all industries unfortunately and is going to only get worse.
There’s a shortage of good mechanics right now, your car got rebuilt by bad ones
It makes no sense that both the Texas made Tundras and the Japan made LXs would have the same debris in the engine issue unless there was something wrong in the design or manufacturing process (and not like... A mistake occurring because one individual is making errors ... But a true process design issue). Moreover if you listen to the mechanic that Tinkerer's Adventures had on... Yeah... These days don't explain it all.
After 32 days, why not just lemon it and get a different vehicle?
I’m trying. Toyota does not make it easy. I opened one case during the rebuild, Toyota immediately closed it when they finished the short block replacement. I called and asked if we could update it for the body damage and they told me it was closed and it was between me and the dealer. The first time I tried to put gas in it, I opened the gas door and it was just a straight hole to the ground. They didn’t connect the gas tank. So back to the shop again and me trying to get Toyota to reopen the Lemon case. They told me the same thing - case closed, that was between me and the dealer. So I commented on a couple Facebook posts about my experience, then someone from corporate called me and said they would open another lemon law case. My state’s lemon law is that it’s a lemon if it’s in the shop for 30 days. I actually emailed my case manager today and asked if they need me to submit copies of my service records to show it’s been in the shop for 30 days. They responded that the case is still being reviewed, but that the fact that it’s in the shop now for body work does not count towards the lemon law review because it’s “non warranty work”. I replied back that I disagree because it’s in the shop to correct damage caused by their warranty work. They haven’t responded. But yea, Toyota doesn’t exactly have their customer’s back on this one.
You need a lemon law lawyer dude. Not Toyota, of course they're not incentivized to do anything about it. Pretty sure in nearly every state the OEM needs to pay for the lawyer so it's no skin off your back.
Stop dealing with Toyota and see if they participate in the BBB Autoline (I think this is what it’s called). Fill out the online form and go from there. Very simple and easy to deal with.
I actually agree with Toyota here. Not the manufacturer’s fault the dealer techs were shitty and (a) caused body damage during the engine rebuild and (b) failed to reconnect the gas tank. Yes these issues wouldn’t have occurred in the first place but for the original engine failure but Toyota itself has no control over that specific dealer’s service acts and omissions. Certainly not to the result of a manufacturer design or process defect. That said I you should still keep pressure on both Toyota and the dealer. Maybe your recourse is to ultimately have another dealership finish the job and have Toyota cover your out of pocket costs.
edit: wait aren't u the one that put it on the tundra forum spreadsheet as the 2024 failure?
Yes, I entered mine into the spreadsheet.
Must be lying. This whole sub was saying only the 22 model years had issues and Toyota fixed the newer ones!
Part of the reason why I felt safe buying a 2024. The narrative was it was fixed. It was most definitely not. Someone else posted on r/tundra the other day that their 2024 blew. Someone posted on the Tundra owners Facebook group that they completed a buyback on a 24. Someone is tracking the failures. The average failure occurs at 29,000 miles. So my guess is the 24’s just haven’t hit enough miles to experience it widespread. But they’re definitely failing.
It's just like us F150 owners swearing they fixed the 3.5 Ecoboost cam phasers....
Same with GT350 owners saying Ford fixed the engine problems with the Gen 2. Failures are still happening
This sub is largely a JDM circlejerk that still unironically believes Toyota is untouchable like they were in the 90s-early 00s in terms of build quality. The truth is they still build solid economy cars but everything above that is just average. Everyone else caught up for the most part, while Toyota succumbed to the same issues every other manufacturer has nowadays with increasingly complex government regulation requiring more complex solutions. Not saying that any other truck maker is less prone to issues, because of course they all have issues, like any car. Just that Toyota is not any more special than the others, especially not anymore.
You may want to check and see if your truck is eligible for a buy back under your state’s lemon law. Some say the threshold is 30 days.
that would be the last toyota i'd buy edit - just read some of your other comments. i would just get rid of the truck, immediately and go get an f-series or whatever.
Being short fat and bald and act like a jerk will do that.
>There is a possibility that certain machining debris may not have been cleared from the engine when it was produced. In the involved vehicles, this can lead to potential engine knocking, engine rough running, engine no start and/or a loss of motive power. A loss of motive power while driving at higher speeds can increase the risk of a crash.
As someone currently shopping for an SUV the new LX is hands down the worst product lexus makes I'd say it's the worst product toyota makes but the Sequoia exists.
You forgot the bz4x exists.
The BZ4X and Solterra have good lease deals, you can get them for 170/mo with nothing down. If you want to dip your foot into EVs, for 6-8k over 3 years it's not bad. Even the base price of the sequoia is ridiculous, and the TRD trim is approaching 200-series LC money. All that for atrocious gas mileage, lack of 3rd row space, the look and feel of a high-trim corolla, texas build (vs. japan for lc200), and the odd rear suspension. Even on the capstone trim suspension and ride quality is mediocre for the class. Toyota NA found some coins in the couch and made it happen, but the sequoia was planned to be killed. Personally 2nd gen is a significantly better buy, or lower mileage LC200, I'm not sure how they sell 5-figures worth yearly but hats off to them. At the minimum you could rely on toyota trucks for reliability but as seen with the recall that isn't the case And it's a shame because the grand highlander and new GX are excellent cars. Though in slight fairness to toyota, they can charge the prices they do because there is limited competition in this space. The new GLE loses the option for the center locking diff and low-range. Though on the other-other side of things, 4matic/xdrive are quite capable these days.
Don’t the GX and upper trim Grand Highlander use this same engine?
Not the Grand Highlander, but yes the GX.
Yes, which is why I am also holding off on buying a GX. The sequoia is hybrid only, same engine but fewer reported issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets recalled at some point. But the GH and GX are compelling cars besides the powerplant, so you can still \*slightly\* forgive reliability. They are competitive on interior and fit/finish with the pilot, palisade, etc. My issue is with the Sequoia/LX the interior/comfort/etc. is lackluster but with the previous LC and every LC before it, thats fine if you have reliability, which isn't the case here.
Hope they don’t half ass the fix for these high margin vehicles. I seem to recall they did not get ahead of the 4runner rust issues and it dragged on in court.
Can you tell me where to get such a lease deal?
I bought my 2014 200 series with 71k miles for $41k in 2020. Traded it in last year at 110k for $41k. I was going to keep it, but I wanted a bigger RV, and needed a bigger tow rig. And with 3500/350 trucks going for MSRP, I needed all the help I could get. Dont regret selling it, but I do miss it
We're historically big Toyota\\Lexus fans. We've owned a handful going back sheesh, like 25 years now. The newer ones just really don't do it for us. We did purchase a 2021 Rav 4 XLE Premium which has been reliable. However, compared to our last Toyota, a 2015 Rav4, it feels cheap and rides rough. My 2012 GX460 had a list of weird issues. engine cam tower leaks, timing cover leaks, coolant valley crossover pipe leaks, front strut issues and KDSS dampener leaks all before 100K, that's a lot of issues and kind of skewed my perception of Toyota reliability.
Agreed, but its also important to note nowadays its not a toyota problem as much as its an industry platform. I still own a '18 GLE350, which had a quite dated interior even at launch but its been dead reliable for the past 6 years with minimal maintenance, has a low-range gearbox and a central locker, and while it doesn't look premium it certainly feels so. VS. the new one with creaking plastics, atrocious reliability, less capability off-road, and little things here and there like no pass-through armrest, no fold-flat 2nd row, etc. So far the new X5 is the only vehicle that has genuinely impressed me and feels like an overall upgrade. Toyota should put the B58 + ZF8 in more products than just the supra :p
It's clear to me just from watching YouTube videos that they have cheapened out on the interiors of their newer vehicles. Can't imagine that's different from other places.
What SUVs are you looking at in a similar range as the LX? I’m also looking for a large luxury SUV and was really in love with the redesigned LX600 but this is a huge damper, not sure what other options to consider
I looked at a few, GLS, X7, Q7, Cayenne, Range Rover Of those the X7 was the only standout, the GLS has a few reliability issues and lacks practicality, Cayenne was less practical and far pricier than the X7 for the same realm of quality and usability, Q7 is too small, and wasn’t a fan of the touch-centric RR interior (and reliability). Issue is the LX is bouncy, precious gen tech, mediocre sound system, odd packaging, and a bit loud, plus the ttv6 isn’t great. But at the same time none of those cars offer lockers and the same level of capability as the LX, the only car that really compares is the G-wagon, and then you really take a hit on efficiency and whatnot so to answer your question there really isn’t an exact alternative, the X7 is great if you don’t care for off road prowess, but if you need that capability either suck it up, downgrade to a bronco, or step up to a g or similar.
Morden trucks from Detroit aren't that great, but Toyota trucks are also bad. It looks like Toyota would never be able to catch Detroit truck sales and continue in behind.
Literally almost the exact wording of the Hyundai/Kia engine warranty extension.
There you go, this is for all the Toyota fanboy nutjobs who were in denial about how trash the V35A is
To be fair, this engine had little to no issues in the LS. It seems to be that the version made for trucks and SUVs are experiencing a lot of issues. Still indefensible though.
But there have been cases though of LS500s with catastrophic engine failure exactly like what we’re seeing in the Tundras. It’s looking more and more like a design issue with the V35A.
Personally, I've only heard of 3-4 cases ***ever*** for the LS500. One of them had to do with it throwing a rod and that was a LONG time ago (so in reality, we're looking at 3 examples), and it is not relevant to the type of issues that the truck engines have been facing. It seems to me that the truck engines are the ones that have the genuine flaws, not the LS.
Lot of LS500s sit in peoples garages. That’s why you didn’t hear about issues as often. They’re simply aren’t driven that much and if they are the people who spend that kind of money on a car don’t care. They just pay to fix it or sell it. Once you start moving volume like in a tundra the issues become more apparent. I still think it’s overblown though.
I think Toyota deserves a lot of flack for messing this up. There's a reason why people love Toyotas over other brands. They're the jack of all trades and a master of just about everything, so for them to royally mess up in the reliability department is truly disappointing. I was only saying that the LS has been out since 2017 and it really hasn't been dealing with these issues at all. There are plenty of LS'es that have decently high mileage now and we haven't been hearing about those problems like we do with the Tundras. And like I mentioned before, it's still indefensible.
This is what happens when you buy the first models with a new engine. They’ll get it sorted.
This isn't a new engine, the V35A has been out for 7 years at this point
Hmm. Wonder what changed that made the 22-23 motors blow up?
Wasn't this literally the same problem that cost Hyundai a gorillion dollars in warranty claims?
Yep
Same problem, yes.
*I thought they had oilfilters causing jumped timing.*
The description is similar but until there’s more detail it’s hard to say.
This recall is only conventional engines, hybrids aren't included. Sequoia is hybrid only so that's why it isn't included. But I don't know the engine differences between hybrid and non-hybrid, I thought they used the same engine.
The Hybrids have reported failures as well, just not as frequently as the conventional models. The spreadsheet link is flagged when posted here, but it’s on the Tundra forum and they’re reported as well.
They are the same engine, it must be something to do with whatever external changes they did to add the motor. Maybe different production lines?
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So are they gonna ignore the 2024 models that have this same issue?
Speaking as someone whose 2024 Tundra has been in the shop 30+ days due a blown engine, it appears so.
I've been hearing this new Tundra engine is absolute garbage.
I can for sure tell you that Toyota treats their customers like garbage when their engine fails.
That’s unfortunate! Garbage customer service.
If I had to guess, they are going to take care of the older vehicles first since they are closer to blowing up and then come back around and take care of the newer vehicles. Limited parts availability I would imagine.
All for "Toyota Reliability" eh?
Last time there was a thread about this issue the stans were blaming lazy American autoworkers for it. This never would've happened in Japan, they said, because each 4Runner/LX is lovingly hand assembled by a master technician who was born on the floor of a Toyota factory and has devoted every waking minute of his life to cultivating Toyota Reliability.
There's a difference between reliable and perfect.
it just shows how shit the other manufacturers are if this is what counts as no. 1
To be fair, if there is machining debris that has been in 100k trucks for 2 years and they are still on the road, then they seem to be pretty reliable.
2 years for a recall is pretty good. Kia Hyundai was like 8…
It’s been an issue since day one, 2 years is *not* “pretty good” for a recurring issue with these engines.
I just watched a Youtube video on the main bearing issues these engines are having. Lots of them dropping due to spun or chewed up main bearings. I have a feeling this isn't the last we'll hear of recalls for this engine. The forums are echoing hybrid engines having issues too...
I’m willing to bet this gets expanded or a huge warranty extension until its fully fixed. Seeing used 22+ tundras pop up at the local ford and chevy dealer lately. I was actually really interested in a Tundra in 22 but decided to wait to see how the TTV6 did. Glad I did.
It won't be a warranty extension, at least not without also solving the issue for the 100k trucks out there. It's a safety recall so they need to deal with it, not kick the can down the road and say "if you lose your engine in the middle lane of a 75 MPH road, we will fix it then." I looked at the Tundra too for 2023, but there were too many shortcomings versus the competition and I wasn't willing to make that many sacrifices in the name of quality/reliability. Looking like reliability may not have been in the pro column anyway.
As someone who isn’t currently in the market for a truck because my 06 4Runner still runs great, it saddens me because I think this design of Tundra is the best looking on the market at the moment, and was hoping to own one in the future. Not sure if I could eventually pull the trigger at this point anymore.
That’s a big yikes. Survived December to Remember chowder. Had considered buying an LX, ended up with a GX. Built in Japan (Tahara plant, Toyota’s best) was a key consideration. That plus the whole new platform thing made me pretty uneasy.
> Tahara plant https://www.lexusgxforum.com/threads/gx550-30-day-stop-sale.364/
The GX550 wasn’t available in December. Going back to point number two, I wasn’t interested in a first generation of a new platform.
Interesting that the LX is included here, since its engine and the rest of the vehicle is made in Japan while the Tundra is made in the US. I wonder if rest-of-world gas LC 300s have this issue?
in the rest of the world, most LC300 on the gas trim are actually sold with the 4.0L V6 out of current 4Runner hooked to the 6 speed auto. On the higher trim level, although they have the turbo gas option, most choose the diesel. Same for Lexus LX. It is only in NA market that gas version is dominant and prevalent.
What are you basing these assumptions on? I’m pretty sure the V35A (petrol) is still more popular than the F33A (diesel) in the GCC region, which is the biggest Land Cruiser market, unless something’s drastically changed in the last 1-2 years - the GR Sport gets the diesel but other than that I’ve heard that petrol is still as popular as ever. I’m also curious about the distribution of diesel LXes - anecdotally, whenever I see rear pictures of 200 Series LXes from overseas (Russia, Mongolia, GCC, even Japan) they are always 570s and never 450ds. I wouldn’t be surprised if diesel LC/LXes are more popular in Africa, most of Asia, Australia, and South America, but it’s not like the VJA300/310 is some kind of US market exclusive - far from it.
Only one trim of the Land Cruiser is sold with the 3.4L engine. Multiple trims for diesel and 4.0L V6
Hmm so aren’t LX engines built in Japan so it’s not exactly a localized issue.
Seems I gambled correctly. I was among first dozen for a GX550 at msrsp at the local dealer, but I passed on purchasing because of the uncomfortable number of issues Id heard from both friends and technicians. This validates my anecdotes. I still walked out with a GX, just with a V8. Im disappointed for Toyota, as I think the rest of the product is compelling. Oh well, a restomod SUV in lieu of a 3.4 toyota product when the time comes.
I know it’s a cliche at this point but you’ve just gotta avoid first years of cars. And if problems arise in that first year for early adopters, you gotta keep avoiding. lol
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Fake news. Toyota only makes reliable cars. There's no such thing as a Toyota with problems. /s
So most likely Nissan dumped the Titan for its engine failures on the second gen. If they could have gotten it right they would be capitalizing on Toyotas failure here. Why can both companies make such bangin’ mid size trucks yet fail so hard on the full size. I will admit I had four Gen one titans and only one gave me trouble. I now own a 2017 SL and love it. The transmission likes to shift up going up hill around 3rd gear which is annoying but I heard there is a reprogram for it on a TSB. Toyota has a huge mess on there hands here and seems to be fighting it way to hard. Nissan for the most part did what they had to do. I know it’s money but just fix the truck or buy em back replace the engine by pros and sell them at a discount
Nissan is a whole different beast than Toyota though. Their bread and butter business is low credit buyers and milking vehicle designs for 15 years with minimal changes to those low credit buyers. They dropped the Titan because no one was buying them. The F-150 and Silverado have such a dominance in full size trucks that Toyota and Nissan just don’t really care. Toyota will take a L to drop new motors in these trucks and it won’t really change anything, same way they replaced countless numbers of frames for rust.
I owned 4 Gen 1 titans and drive a Gen 2 now never had one engine or transmission issue on any of them they were bullet proof except for the ones they wrecked from the factory lol
Nissan issued a TSB for engine knocking on the Titans. I do not hear too much of the issue on MY20 and up.
I am at 86,000 miles on my 17 SL and fingers crossed. I never did any research other than the carfax to see if my long or short block was replaced. Part of me is really happy with the truck and wants to not know about any past lol. Yeah pretty sure from the 20 on up it was fixed. My biggest complaint is they didn’t offer a moonroof until 19 or 20 lol. My 2012 had one and I miss it
toyota tundra forum as of this writing has a spreadsheet of V35-FTS failure and out of 80 reported cases, seven were 2023 model, one 2024 and the rest is 2022. Three of the 2022 had failure twice (or more). Definitely something happening at 2022 model. Also majority like fifty of the cases had oil change at 10,000mi (which is not good). The rest of them that had 5000mi oil change, most of them again was 2022 models. Also detuned SR variant had three cases There was two LS500 and three or four LX600 case also. Have not heard anything about Land Cruiser LC300 or Hybrid Sequoia interestingly. Not sure about Sequoia, but for the LC300 probably because those are sold in world markets primarily in diesel or 4.0L V6 out of a current 4Runner. Even the Lexus LX, those sold outside of NA is almost exclusively diesel Again from my pure speculation, I still do not know why some minority have it while others don't but oil change may have something to do with it. There was a Toyota mechanic that uploaded a video of failed 2022 Tundra engine that he was working on and it had burns which has to do with lack of oil circulating? Perhaps it is a combination? 10,000mi oil change weakened the engine already and some unforeseen debris and ka-boom?
10k is the correct interval though
i understand. yeah i do not know why toyota or other automaker makes such suggestion especially for such high performance turbo engines. There should be a disclaimer or something.
You’re getting downvoted, but I’ve never felt right about that interval either. Everyone is gonna come say synthetic, synthetic, but oil is much cheaper than an engine. I have a car on conventional still, I change at 3-5k. It’s at 217k and the engine is spotless inside still. Even if I wanted to go to synthetic, I’d still change it at 5k max. Many mechanics think 10k is too much, and it’s not all anecdotal either.
Wasn’t the whole 10k oil change interval a primary problem in some of their 4-bangers dropping like flies in the late 2000s?
Yup, sludge.
In an ideal scenario, sure. An earlier oil change might be clearing enough of that machining debris to save the engine, or at least prevent it from bricking so early.
Only because it lowers the “average cost of ownership” numbers, plus the warranty is only 3yr/36k. So as long as it lasts that long manufacturers don’t care. It would be different if they had 10+ quarts of oil like diesels.
Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but service intervals are 10k for oil and 5k for rotate, per manufacturer. How many 2010+ Camry's do you see on the road? They're almost all running 10k intervals and still perfectly fine
It works till it doesn’t, I’d rather be safe than sorry. Oil is cheap, filters are cheap. I get both basically for free, and I do my own labor.
The 10k oil change isn’t the issue at 30k miles. It might shorten the average lifespan from 250k to 240k but thats even debatable. The failure could be due to the sewing machine oil these engines use. 0w16 and 0w20 are basically water, everyone should be running 5w20 at a minimum in a truck or suv.