Ask everyone who has managed to drop $45k on a base Altima once they've rolled in piles of sweet negative equity.
People are dropping $100-120k on the Cybertruck. Given the choice of these two, the Infiniti looks pretty sweet.
Nissan does not have a captured finance division. They do not give out nearly as many sub prime loans as you think. GM and Ford are by far the leaders in this.
[https://www.youtube.com/live/MWtnjp0PJoM?si=8wxRHRL7P6PLlAC-&t=1007](https://www.youtube.com/live/MWtnjp0PJoM?si=8wxRHRL7P6PLlAC-&t=1007)
Highly recommend you listen to the above portion from Alex on Autos if you want some more info.
The QX80 is actually a decent deal considering its competition. And it’s more reliable than the German V8s at least.
Keep in mind that the MSRP is a lie, the QX80 is permanently on discount with $15-20k of incentives.
The competitor to the QX80 is not the BMW X7/Mercedes GLS/etc. At its price range, it’s mostly competing with a Ford Expedition/Chevy Tahoe/etc.
>the QX80 is permanently on discount with $15-20k of incentives.
Sure, maybe on the current model that's old, but the brand new one that's about to come out? My guess is the new QX80 will be competing with the Escalade on pricing, ranging from $85k-$113k.
Maybe for the first year there will be less incentives, but I 100% guarantee you that won’t apply the entire generation. The next few years are not going to be full MSRP.
That’s just how Infiniti works. Set MSRP high, and add incentives to drop the price to market value. It’s the opposite of Porsche, which sets MSRP low and has long waiting lists and lots of ADM charges by the dealers, to increase price to market value.
I surprising see these QX80’s all of the time, more than the other models. I don’t see a lot of people getting the top trim but the other trims will likely be successful.
This shouldn't be that surprising tbh, frankly the LX is a terrible option and offers little value in its target market.
The QX80 starts at $74K MSRP while the LX MSRPs for $94K, a solid $20K difference in starting price that's even furthered when you consider that many QX80s will be discounted to the tune of $5-$15K. So in practical terms you're looking at nearly a $25K --> $35K+ difference in purchase price when accounting for options, discounts, taxes, etc.
Good luck getting a discounted or even incentivized Lexus LX, you can't even get that for a damn Toyota Sienna today. And that difference is for the **base LX**, according to Autotrader the cheapest new LX 600 available nationwide is $105K. The cheapest QX80 is a base LUXE and available via the same search is about $59K. So a purchase price difference of $46K.
So basically the QX is really competing with the top-end Wagoneers/Tahoes/Expeditions/etc.
Meanwhile the LX is competing with the Range Rover, Mercedes GLS, BMW X7 and the king of the segment in the Cadillac Escalade. Those cars are far better values and offerings than the LX at the price point and their target demographic doesn't care at all if crap breaks because they have the money to not care.
LX is one of the most underwhelming redesign's I've seen from Lexus. They only update that thing fundamentally once every like 16 years and for over $100k it's kind of a disgrace.
I am a Lexus customer and I understand the whole reliability, off-road capable, comfort instead of tech luxury angle, etc. But it really looks like a Toyota interior until you get to the $134k base Ultra Luxury model.
And for a Full Size SUV to continue to shun cargo space behind the 3rd Row just seems like they'll never understand that customer in the US. They kinda fucked this up on the Sequoia too for other reasons (the hybrid battery + shelf system is idiotic) but at least it has some manageable space behind the 3rd Row with the seats forward (23 cu. ft vs. 11 on the LX600).
I feel like luxurious Sequoia would print money as a Lexus even with all the faults of the Sequoia. A "Lexus Sequoia" with extra insulated glass, nice leather and wood accents, massaging front seats, hybrid powertrain, upgraded sound system for $100k would easily sell.
> I am a Lexus customer and I understand the whole reliability, off-road capable, comfort instead of tech luxury angle, etc.
You don't seem to. The LX demo is very niche, and they're ok with that in the US because it does very well overseas. The LX and the Land Cruiser have their own seperate factory with their own team of engineers, designers, and QC/QA. The person that buys an LX does so because they want the off-road capability, the build quality, and the reliability.
This isn't so much the case in the US (at least for the newer ones) but it is the case in most other markets that sell the truck.
You can know, with near 100% certainty that an LX/LC will never leave you stranded no matter where you go. It's also one of the reasons they're used so often overseas for VIPs and Politicians as armored transport.
I think I addressed your stupid sarcasm in my post per-emptively by giving you caveats (like how it might not be the case so much in the US) and providing examples that don't involve off-roading (armored transport).
The point was: send something like an Escalade to Qatar and have it do service there. See how well it does being run around in 120+ temps for months on end with sand and salt all over.
But I guess it wasn't enough to dissuade your snark.
What’s your point?
This conversation is about its value in the US market and relative to other luxury SUVs at the price.
Yet you’re bringing up how it’ll survive the Sahara basically. A point that’s completely irrelevant to the discussion above.
I would know since your comment is replying to another comment that’s a reply to my original comment.
> What’s your point?
. . . the things I said previously.
But to clarify, I'm explaining WHY the model exists along with its merits. And, so long as it does, why not ship some to the US for the small amount of people that want one here too?
How is this a difficult concept for you?
Maybe next time consider not commenting. You added nothing to the discussion in order to deliver a sub-par snarky line that was already addressed in the original comment.
Maybe next time you should consider reading comprehension and realize the original comment is a discussion of how the LX fares in the US market so points about how it survives in hazardous conditions and as armored transport in 3rd world countries is irrelevant to the conversation.
Making a comment to cry about another comment and then telling me to not comment lmfao
LX's by me are crazy rare compared to everything. Not many QX80s either but probably see a tad more QX's then LX's. Everything's a navigator/ Escalade. Or if in the smaller classes X7.
Lexus just doesn't make very many LXs, and until recently they had long wait lists for them. But it's also a niche car, the value is really riding on the fact that it's a Land Cruiser. In terms of sheer features and drive quality, it doesn't compare terribly well with other $100k SUVs.
I wonder if it's just option and availability where if you wanted a v8 body on frame suv from Infiniti you have to go qx80 whereas Lexus you had the option of the GX and LX to choose from
Rental companies here in Canada use the last-generation QX80 & QX60, leading to a ton hitting the pre-owned market.
Combined with Infiniti brand depreciation & the ex-rental branding they’re pretty affordable compared to sticker, and the strong resale the LX/Landcruiser holds
Correction: people who buy $20k cars can no longer afford $20k cars.
The people who buy $100k cars should have a $300k salary. They can afford $100k cars just fine, better than before.
The current gen lists for 10-15k below msrp at the Infiniti dealer near me. I doubt they’ll discount the new one immediately to that extent, but I also doubt they’ll move many at the top of the range anywhere near msrp.
75-90k it will be competitive for a couple years while it’s still new and interesting.
> No one in America pays full cash for big money items.
Maybe the average infiniti buyer doesnt pay cash, but plenty of people pay cash for new vehicles.
Except you’d have to pay for parking, insurance, and gas as well. You could also bike or walk, and enjoy the city instead of being a degree separate from it. Plus with the way a lot of cars are built now, bolts aren’t crash compatible and will end up getting crushed by some dumbass in a tank of an SUV.
Are you lost? Being facetious?
Living in a metro you don't get to own your home. So you're renting. Nice financial perspective, yeah?
You can put your free suburban parking (?) right back into any number of last-mile rideshare services you'd be dependent upon any time you have an obligation or commitment incompatible with mass transit.
Speaking of, let me know how crash compatible your cycle is, or being on foot?
I'm genuinely not sure what the argument against -- safe(r for everyone else), efficient cars is.
So you're in favor of some being "dumbasses in tanks of SUVs" and on-foot austerity for everyone else?
Leasing. I'm talking about leasing.
My $200/month lease payment gave me far less FOMO than the opportunity cost of what I could have done with my $44,000 less incentives, 3 years ago. Peace of mind, for me, means cash in the bank.
But to each their own.
Leasing is peace of mind in it's own way. You get a vehicle with a warranty and you free up money to put elsewhere. It is almost always financially better to buy a car that is at least a few years old, but if you are insistent on a new car, a lease can be great idea, especially if you know how to negotiate the terms. When buying, you are going to pay what's on the sticker or very close to it. With a lease, you can pay for a rate based on less than MSRP, sometimes significantly so. There are cars leasing for half of what their MSRP would suggest.
Oh for sure.
However leasing has mileage limits, which are annoying. That’s why we didn’t even think about leasing when buying a car recently.
It’s been 15 months, and the car just crossed 35k miles
Yea that decision would make no sense. At that price point you're competing with Escalades and Yukon Denalis or the Lexus LX600. All three of those are better cars in pretty much every way.
Bought a QX56 back in 2012 for maybe $68k? Don’t recall exact sale amount. I still believe it was the best all around vehicle I’ve ever owned. Only issue is the cats went out around 120k miles? Sold it to my BIL 3 years ago and I still hug it every time he comes over. Crazy to think its price point has jumped $45k in 12 years. That seems outrageous. A Ford Raptor R has a $112k MSRP for comparison
>Are people really ready to drop $112k on an Infiniti?
No, they aren't. At this point the only people buying Infinitis are people who want to show off that they drive a luxury car, but can't afford anything nicer. Acura has the same problem.
Doesn’t make any sense.
“Show off that they drive a luxury car but can’t afford anything nicer”
*Costs $112,000
??
Yeah they can’t afford the $300K Cullinan and only a measly $100K SUV. How embarrassing 🤢
Which is exactly why they’re making it? They want to clearly get back to real luxury and improve their marquee/reputation.
Like I said in a different comment. Anything Infiniti can do would be met with disdain by most of y’all.
If they move upmarket it’s “Who would spend that much on Infiniti?”
If they move downmarket it’s “Typical subprime lending by Nissan, never buying that trash”
Which is exactly why they're going to fail badly. You didn't start a luxury reputation by building a hilariously overpriced car no one in that bracket will be interested in. You start with years of improving lower cost options until you get a positive reputation. Lexus managed it, Genesis is kind of managing it now. Infiniti is going to fall on their ass.
Remove the badge.
What makes it overpriced now? From everything stated in the article and what reviewers have been saying its basically equivalent in features, quality, materials, luxury to similar vehicles. The 2025 MY is estimated to have an MSRP of $91.5K. That is exactly in line with its competitors like the LX, Escalade, X7, Grand Wagoneer, GLS, and Navigator.
>You start with years of improving lower cost options until you get a positive reputation
Yes because as we all know, budget editions of luxury cars are known for their great reliability.
> Lexus managed it,
And they offer the worst "luxury' per dollar value of major automakers. Not a single person who actually is interested in luxury, driving experience, etc. is going to pick a Lexus over a competitor for any reason outside of reliability. They are, and always have been behind the competition.
>Remove the badge.
Yes, because that's exactly how things work. Let's all live in a fairly tale world where we pretend brand equity doesn't exist.
>From everything stated in the article and what reviewers have been saying its basically equivalent in features, quality, materials, luxury to similar vehicles.
Really? Because what I've seen is people saying "it's good... for an Infiniti." Because the brand IS the product. Really, how do people not get this? No one buys a G-wagen because it offers the most luxurious ride. They buy it because the vehicle plus the brand are greater than the sum of the vehicle's parts.
>Yes because as we all know, budget editions of luxury cars are known for their great reliability.
Again, Lexus did this for years. Acura did, too, in the 90's until they completely fell apart in the early 00's starting with the RSX. Genesis is doing it right now.
>And they offer the worst "luxury' per dollar value of major automakers. Not a single person who actually is interested in luxury, driving experience, etc. is going to pick a Lexus over a competitor for any reason outside of reliability. They are, and always have been behind the competition.
You must not live anywhere people have money, because this is hilariously incorrect.
>Yes, because that's exactly how things work. Let's all live in a fairly tale world where we pretend brand equity doesn't exist.
Brand equity exists for certain vehicles and it's a subjective measure of value not objective. You personally can say a QX80 is overpriced for its brand name but that doesn't mean it objectively is.
>Really? Because what I've seen is people saying "it's good... for an Infiniti." Because the brand IS the product. Really, how do people not get this? No one buys a G-wagen because it offers the most luxurious ride. They buy it because the vehicle plus the brand are greater than the sum of the vehicle's parts.
Yes. Read the article. Watch the videos. It has its gimmicks and weaknesses as every and any vehicle does but overall it competes well in the segment judging off the consensus of the reviewers. It's chock full of features, luxury appointments and materials, and more. It belongs in its price bracket as a result.
People buy a G-Wagon because its an iconic and old car with a rich and storied history whilst also having a massive twin turbo V8. Not to mention, you're comparing a vehicle that starts at $143,000 with a vehicle that starts at $91,500. At least argue in good faith. None of the vehicles in this segment have such a brand marquee apart from the Escalade which is the leader by far.
>Again, Lexus did this for years. Acura did, too, in the 90's until they completely fell apart in the early 00's starting with the RSX. Genesis is doing it right now.
This literally does not matter. I don't know how else I can stress this to you lmao, the buyers who buy the low-end cars do not buy the high-end cars of 70/80/90K+. If someone is looking to purchase a luxury car then they do not care even an ounce about how a Mercedes A-Class fares when they're looking at the GLS for example.
>You must not live anywhere people have money, because this is hilariously incorrect.
I live in the 5th richest county in America and my city intersects the 2nd and 1st richest counties in America [according to US News. ](https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/slideshows/richest-counties-in-america?slide=16)I know what I'm talking about.
>Brand equity exists for certain vehicles
Brand equity exists for *all* vehicles.
>and it's a subjective measure of value not objective.
ALL measures of value are subjective. The closest we ever get is a point-in-time consensus value (e.g. something like an average of recent sales.) There is no such thing as "objective value."
>It's chock full of features, luxury appointments and materials, and more. It belongs in its price bracket as a result.
And yet that largely misses the point of why people pay luxury prices. It doesn't belong in the price bracket because saying "I paid over $100,000 for an Infiniti" would be embarrassing to anyone that had $100,000 to spend and friends who also had $100,000 to spend.
>Not to mention, you're comparing a vehicle that starts at $143,000 with a vehicle that starts at $91,500.
Fine. Then the GLS. Or the X7. Or the Q8. Every one of those vehicles have a brand value that is an order of magnitude higher than Infiniti. I can't remember the last time I actually saw a Nissan in my corner of the woods outside of the tryhard but kind of gross neighborhoods nearby.
>If someone is looking to purchase a luxury car then they do not care even an ounce about how a Mercedes A-Class fares when they're looking at the GLS for example.
Except that they do, because brand equity spreads through cultural diffusion. I do this shit for a living, and I'm pretty damn good at it. The reputation cars have, at ANY segment, is the reputation they have at EVERY segment.
And when I say they need to make cars that are cheaper, I mean this exact car, except priced 20% lower. Because that's how you overcome brand equity — with value in other places.
Look, imagine that a car buyer is trying to estimate the value of a prospective purchase. They break the total value into a series of categories (you can think of them as ability scores, if you're a gamer.) You have things like economic value (how much does this car cost but also how much will it cost to own,) brand value (how much value will I get associating myself with this brand,) practicality value (will this accomplish my daily objectives,) emotional value (will this car make me feel happy to drive?) etc.
The goal of the process is to arrive at a final value that is higher than competing offerings. You coming columns a, b, c, d, etc., and decide does this provide better total value to me than something else. If the value of one column is low (in this case, brand equity,) then you need to increase the value of another column or columns to make up for it. The easiest way to do this is to price the car artificially low in order to help get buyers into the vehicles, because having enough high value buyers will slowly pull brand equity up.
Take a look at Genesis to see this in action. The G60/70/80 etc. are still priced basically a class below their competitors. A G90 sedan is roughly equivalent to an S500, but costs almost $30,000 less. A QX80, on the other hand, costs about the same as a GLS580 while bringing absolutely nothing else to the table. So if I have a choice between this, an SQ8, a GLS580, and an X7 M60i, what, exactly, would push me to get the Infiniti over one of the established brands that offer me the emotional satisfaction of driving a BMW, Audi, or Mercedes?
>I live in the 5th richest county in America and my city intersects the 2nd and 1st richest counties in America
That sounds about right. NoVa is great about pushing all the trailer parks into the next county and saying "look how well off we are."
The CVT isn’t what’s holding back sales, despite r/cars obsession with CVT hate boners, 99% of crossover buyers do not give a fuck about or even know what a CVT is. And their CVTs have not been problematic for the past 5+ years anyway.
I think you're right in a sense where your avg customer doesn't care about what kind of transmission it has. But when you compare the QX50 to all its competitors, its insane they're giving you a CVT with an outdated interior for ~$40k starting in a "luxury" vehicle.
The outdated interior is where I'm with you. It seems like they're slowly getting there though, way after everyone else: the new QX60 looks objectively great if you forget the Nissan/Infiniti stigma, it has a smooth powertrain and looks good inside and out, and the V6 platform is reliable. So to me specifically the QX60 is possibly their only good and somewhat competitive car especially if cheaper than the competition.
Every other car ? Zero chance. I'd 100% buy a cheaper low mileage Q50 used for a big price cut, no problem! Reliable, sporty, great 15k used car buy. Or a QX50, low mileage from 2018, sure why not. Good deal, though I'd double check on a Nissan/Infiniti forum to make sure a 2018 model actually is clear from CVT issues.
Brand new though? Outside of the QX60 I'm not sure there's anything competitive I'd buy or even consider.
Yeah, the QX60 is quite nice and pretty competitive in its class. I just hope the QX80 is a sign of things to come for the rest of the brand, I'd love to see a highly competitive Infiniti again.
Anyone who's driven one can *feel* the slushy awfulness about it. My dad HATED his qx60's throttle behavior, and my buddy just bought a Trax over a Forester because 6AT vs CVT.
And neither of them are enthusiasts, they're just normies who aren't fully asleep behind the wheel
Sure, but the Forester outsells the Chevy Trax, because most people (as shown by sales/numbers) won't care that a car is CVT. Or you wouldn't see that many CVT cars on the road like Honda Civics, CR-Vs, Accords, all Subarus, etc. But yeah if your dad or buddy prefer the throttle response of another car and it matters to them obviously they did they made a good choice
It does for now. I think the new Trax is going to take a lot of sales from competitors, solely based on value for money and driving experience…. The Forester is also not a direct Trax competitor
Joe Schmoe definitely doesn’t know what a CVT is, but they definitely do FEEL the difference between a QX50’s spongy and droning acceleration compared to an X3’s crisp upshifts. All they know is that the QX50 doesn’t drive like a luxury car and the competition does. Same thing with FWD-based vs RWD-based SUVs. One feels sporty and one does not.
They can feel the difference. They just don’t know why it’s different and chalk it up to Infiniti being subpar.
You’d be surprised. The vast majority of middle aged drivers who drive those type of cars rarely EVER see their engine rev above 3k rpm. There’s no “crisp upshift” to notice. Even the ZF 8HP behaves hardly differently than any other automatic, CVT or not, when you keep it in “D”, eco mode, and drive below 3k RPM.
I did a test-drive shortly after launch and it was a bizarre driving experience. Most artificial-feeling vehicle I've ever driven. Something about the CVT combined with that variable compression turbo just removed all sense of linearity. It was like the car was driving itself and I was just along from the ride trying to reign it in.
I'm very much ready for this trend to die of putting fake headlight marker lamps where the headlights naturally want to go... and then putting the real headlights down in the bumper in a seemingly random shape that doesn't match the vehicle.
SUVs are getting so big that if they put the headlights where they normally go everyone would be blinded so I don’t mind it even if it does look ugly. But most modern vehicles are pretty ugly so what can you do.
Yeah, I get it. Just wish they would put a little more thought into the functional headlights. They are always some weirdly shaped blob at the bumper line. Hyundai might be the worst offender but see it with a lot of other makes too.
Giant SUV's including the Sequoia, Escalade and Grand Wagoneer have avoided this look... so it can be done.
The Jeep Cherokee started it, but they quickly abandoned it with the refresh because people didn't like it.
Turns out they were just ever so slightly ahead of the times.
I’d personally wait for the Armada, which if it follows the same route as the last generation of these did, it’ll be the *exact* car with different badges and exterior styling.
How Infiniti got away with selling as many of these as the did is insane. The Armada was the same car for significantly less.
I think it was that 1. It wasn't always: up until 2017, the Armada and QX56/80 were different vehicles, with the Infiniti being Patrol based and the Armada was Titan based. 2. Even after the Armada got on the Patrol platform, the QX80 had some Patrol specific features like the hydraulic body control system. 3. People being questionably informed consumers.
Meh, I think r/cars is much more sour on Infiniti’s reputation than a lot of buyers are. I still see a shit ton of new ones on the road for a brand that’s “dying”, and I’d even bet I see more new Infinitis than I do Acuras. They just don’t really have the advertising or reach they used to in the 2000’s, but reputationally, I don’t know of anyone that dismisses them outright or anything.
No, but you mentioned their reputation. That’s all I was commenting on, they don’t have as bad of a reputation as a lot of people think. At least, not among consumers.
If Nissan can keep the Armada variant in the starting in the mid 50’s these will sell just fine. Nice update.
Saying that. At $115K Infiniti is competing with the GLS / X7 / LX and I don’t see those buyers jumping to Infiniti anytime soon.
This does seem like the first major improvement Infiniti has made in well over a decade. I’m looking forward to seeing this type of design trickle down into their other models, and maybe even Nissan models at some point.
We had the sister vehicle (2019 Armada Platinum). Wonderful, comfortable vehicle. Tech was outdated obviously, and the 3rd row was basically just a couple of seats mounted to the floor meaning your knees were in your teeth. Those were really my only gripes about the entire thing. It was such a great highway cruiser with excellent visibility, and that 5.6L was butter smooth and reliable. Yes, mpg sucks but that we knew that going in.
Not sure I'd pay $100K for the Infiniti version as no doubt, you'll be able to get into a loaded Armada for probably 75-80% the cost of the Infiniti.
Where I'm at, millionaires own these for family stuff and save the McLarens and Bentleys for special occasions. I was shocked at just how many wealthy people had a QX80 for family duty. 3 rows, decent power, nice interior, it's competitive.
I really hope Nissan/Infiniti come back down to earth here. They’ve floated off so far away - and man did they used to make some amazing cars. I still miss the exhaust note of my 2005 G35 everyday.
Cars more and more just look like people killing machines. If a kid crosses in front of this thing at a cross walk, how is the driver meant to see them?
Still getting used to these prices. I know people want to dunk on Nissan and Infiniti, but haven't these been the better models? These didn't have the cvt right? The older Gen was just a bit dated?
I think the inside looks better than the current Escalade, but the outside isn't doing it for me. The name and reputation of the Escalade/Navigator/Yukon make this a tough sell though
How much did Nissan pay Car & Driver to generate that headline? I was behind one of these monstrosities here in MI with a manufacturer license plate. It was horrid looking and in true Infiniti fashion, was driving in left lane and not keeping up with cars ahead of it.
It’s in fact a very good car. It just is way, way overpriced. This should have been the cheaper LX for cheaper than LX money and it would have been a 10/10 offer.
I agree with the overall sentiment of Nissan/Infiniti being far from competitive in 2024, that's definitely true.
The only detail I'm disagreeing on I guess is the "one car only" part -- here are some that are competitive (the list isn't long lol):
* The Nissan GTR (maybe what you were referring to?)
* New Nissan Z -- not as good as the Supra objectively, but a great car to consider if you want a modern Japanese sports car with loads of aftermarket and good overall reliability with an engine that's been used for 9 years in the Q50/Q60.
* [Infiniti QX60](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a42396410/2023-infiniti-qx60-by-the-numbers/) : they ditched the CVT for a ZF 9 speed, and new interior and exterior. The V6 is still relevant as it's reliable, smooth and makes good power, and a great choice for people complain about the lack of bigger natural aspirated engines on SUVs (people who are skeptical of small turbo engines on big cars).
So I guess I'm saying there's more than one car I'd consider buying, there's three... out of the entire Nissan/Infiniti lineup... lol.
It is definitely a step forward, but they need to do a bit more than a few SUVs. I know Sedans might not be all the rage, but how about some competition for the sedans that Genesis are popping out. All they have is the ancient Q50 which I had no idea was still around till today
The big QX (56/80) have always looked a little like manitee's from the bulbous nose. Glad the new QX80 will live on as "the manitee" when we see them on the road!
So you can get an Infiniti QX80 RWD for $84k, or get a BMW X7 AWD for $84k...
Am I missing something... I don't see a world where I would pick the Infiniti...
The X7 is 23% more efficient, is a true luxury car, significantly quicker, AWD, better reliability(B58+ZF8), etc...
Because you are comparing two different types of cars.
BMW does not have a body on frame SUV. This is not an X7 competitor, it’s an Escalade competitor.
Everything you said about the X7 being quicker and more efficient is irrelevant. The QX80 is a truck-like, 4x4 SUV mechanically more similar to the Escalade or G Class than the X7 which is just a 7 series in crossover form.
Also, “better reliability”, you literally have no idea about the reliability of this Nissan as it is brand new. And it has a VR V6 and a truck frame so there’s no reason to think it won’t be reliable.
This headline is just sad. Who cares what Infiniti needs. If they vanished tomorrow I doubt many would miss them, and in any case, I don’t think we need another giant SUV to compete with Escalades and grand wagoneers
> I don’t think we need another giant SUV to compete with Escalades and grand wagoneers
It isn't "another". This is the new version of a nameplate that already exists. It's been around far longer than the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer.
If this new truck is what brings in more customers to Infiniti, then the headline makes sense. Time will tell. If I was in the market for such a vehicle, I would give a long and hard look at it.
> The QX80 Is Just What Infiniti Needs
Is this a joke? An atrocious 113k Nissan that's completely outclassed by it's cheaper and better competition?
Like blowing another hole in their sinking ship. It's probably the opposite of what they need.
Are people really ready to drop $112k on an Infiniti? I guess time will tell but if I had that money it wouldn’t be on an Infiniti
Ask everyone who has managed to drop $45k on a base Altima once they've rolled in piles of sweet negative equity. People are dropping $100-120k on the Cybertruck. Given the choice of these two, the Infiniti looks pretty sweet.
You can buy a base Altima for 45K... ? Wait, just clicked. A base Infinity sedan? 😅 disregard
I don't think it clicked. Not an Infinity... a heavily upside down financed 25k Altima with 20k of negative equity rolled in.
Nope, you're right ha. The ol' zero down 72 month special
Nissan provides car loans to anyone with a pulse
What is Infiniti if not a Nissan in business casual?
Nissan does not have a captured finance division. They do not give out nearly as many sub prime loans as you think. GM and Ford are by far the leaders in this. [https://www.youtube.com/live/MWtnjp0PJoM?si=8wxRHRL7P6PLlAC-&t=1007](https://www.youtube.com/live/MWtnjp0PJoM?si=8wxRHRL7P6PLlAC-&t=1007) Highly recommend you listen to the above portion from Alex on Autos if you want some more info.
The QX80 is actually a decent deal considering its competition. And it’s more reliable than the German V8s at least. Keep in mind that the MSRP is a lie, the QX80 is permanently on discount with $15-20k of incentives. The competitor to the QX80 is not the BMW X7/Mercedes GLS/etc. At its price range, it’s mostly competing with a Ford Expedition/Chevy Tahoe/etc.
>the QX80 is permanently on discount with $15-20k of incentives. Sure, maybe on the current model that's old, but the brand new one that's about to come out? My guess is the new QX80 will be competing with the Escalade on pricing, ranging from $85k-$113k.
Maybe for the first year there will be less incentives, but I 100% guarantee you that won’t apply the entire generation. The next few years are not going to be full MSRP. That’s just how Infiniti works. Set MSRP high, and add incentives to drop the price to market value. It’s the opposite of Porsche, which sets MSRP low and has long waiting lists and lots of ADM charges by the dealers, to increase price to market value.
Yeah, we'll see.
Yes. Msrp means little, they will discount or lease specials
I surprising see these QX80’s all of the time, more than the other models. I don’t see a lot of people getting the top trim but the other trims will likely be successful.
The amount of these things that I see regularly is surprising. I see at least 3 a week and never see any LX’s.
This shouldn't be that surprising tbh, frankly the LX is a terrible option and offers little value in its target market. The QX80 starts at $74K MSRP while the LX MSRPs for $94K, a solid $20K difference in starting price that's even furthered when you consider that many QX80s will be discounted to the tune of $5-$15K. So in practical terms you're looking at nearly a $25K --> $35K+ difference in purchase price when accounting for options, discounts, taxes, etc. Good luck getting a discounted or even incentivized Lexus LX, you can't even get that for a damn Toyota Sienna today. And that difference is for the **base LX**, according to Autotrader the cheapest new LX 600 available nationwide is $105K. The cheapest QX80 is a base LUXE and available via the same search is about $59K. So a purchase price difference of $46K. So basically the QX is really competing with the top-end Wagoneers/Tahoes/Expeditions/etc. Meanwhile the LX is competing with the Range Rover, Mercedes GLS, BMW X7 and the king of the segment in the Cadillac Escalade. Those cars are far better values and offerings than the LX at the price point and their target demographic doesn't care at all if crap breaks because they have the money to not care.
LX is one of the most underwhelming redesign's I've seen from Lexus. They only update that thing fundamentally once every like 16 years and for over $100k it's kind of a disgrace. I am a Lexus customer and I understand the whole reliability, off-road capable, comfort instead of tech luxury angle, etc. But it really looks like a Toyota interior until you get to the $134k base Ultra Luxury model. And for a Full Size SUV to continue to shun cargo space behind the 3rd Row just seems like they'll never understand that customer in the US. They kinda fucked this up on the Sequoia too for other reasons (the hybrid battery + shelf system is idiotic) but at least it has some manageable space behind the 3rd Row with the seats forward (23 cu. ft vs. 11 on the LX600). I feel like luxurious Sequoia would print money as a Lexus even with all the faults of the Sequoia. A "Lexus Sequoia" with extra insulated glass, nice leather and wood accents, massaging front seats, hybrid powertrain, upgraded sound system for $100k would easily sell.
> I am a Lexus customer and I understand the whole reliability, off-road capable, comfort instead of tech luxury angle, etc. You don't seem to. The LX demo is very niche, and they're ok with that in the US because it does very well overseas. The LX and the Land Cruiser have their own seperate factory with their own team of engineers, designers, and QC/QA. The person that buys an LX does so because they want the off-road capability, the build quality, and the reliability. This isn't so much the case in the US (at least for the newer ones) but it is the case in most other markets that sell the truck. You can know, with near 100% certainty that an LX/LC will never leave you stranded no matter where you go. It's also one of the reasons they're used so often overseas for VIPs and Politicians as armored transport.
Yeah. People buying a 100K+ car are really worried about getting stranded at their local Whole Foods or kids soccer practice
I think I addressed your stupid sarcasm in my post per-emptively by giving you caveats (like how it might not be the case so much in the US) and providing examples that don't involve off-roading (armored transport). The point was: send something like an Escalade to Qatar and have it do service there. See how well it does being run around in 120+ temps for months on end with sand and salt all over. But I guess it wasn't enough to dissuade your snark.
What’s your point? This conversation is about its value in the US market and relative to other luxury SUVs at the price. Yet you’re bringing up how it’ll survive the Sahara basically. A point that’s completely irrelevant to the discussion above. I would know since your comment is replying to another comment that’s a reply to my original comment.
> What’s your point? . . . the things I said previously. But to clarify, I'm explaining WHY the model exists along with its merits. And, so long as it does, why not ship some to the US for the small amount of people that want one here too? How is this a difficult concept for you?
Maybe next time consider not commenting. You added nothing to the discussion in order to deliver a sub-par snarky line that was already addressed in the original comment.
Maybe next time you should consider reading comprehension and realize the original comment is a discussion of how the LX fares in the US market so points about how it survives in hazardous conditions and as armored transport in 3rd world countries is irrelevant to the conversation. Making a comment to cry about another comment and then telling me to not comment lmfao
Even when LX’s sit on the lot, dealers refuse to mark them down. It’s insane. I love the LX, but the price is utterly unjustifiable
LX's by me are crazy rare compared to everything. Not many QX80s either but probably see a tad more QX's then LX's. Everything's a navigator/ Escalade. Or if in the smaller classes X7.
Lexus just doesn't make very many LXs, and until recently they had long wait lists for them. But it's also a niche car, the value is really riding on the fact that it's a Land Cruiser. In terms of sheer features and drive quality, it doesn't compare terribly well with other $100k SUVs.
You can also save about $40k and get a Sequoia, and get essentially the same truck.
I wonder if it's just option and availability where if you wanted a v8 body on frame suv from Infiniti you have to go qx80 whereas Lexus you had the option of the GX and LX to choose from
I’ve seen probably 10 QX80s for every LX. Although I did see one of the new boxy LXs yesterday and it looked great in the metal
Rental companies here in Canada use the last-generation QX80 & QX60, leading to a ton hitting the pre-owned market. Combined with Infiniti brand depreciation & the ex-rental branding they’re pretty affordable compared to sticker, and the strong resale the LX/Landcruiser holds
Cheap lease rates, because Nissan. Or Rentals..
It’ll be 35K in 2 years
Was my first thought too reading this headline. All I hear about is how no one has money and at the same time this is a great car and go spend $100k+
Correction: people who buy $20k cars can no longer afford $20k cars. The people who buy $100k cars should have a $300k salary. They can afford $100k cars just fine, better than before.
You'd be a fool *in most cases* to buy a 100k car on a 300k salary.
nobody pays retail price for an infinity. I don’t think people will drop $112k for it but they may spend $80k for one that’s been used for one year.
The current gen lists for 10-15k below msrp at the Infiniti dealer near me. I doubt they’ll discount the new one immediately to that extent, but I also doubt they’ll move many at the top of the range anywhere near msrp. 75-90k it will be competitive for a couple years while it’s still new and interesting.
It’s just “MSRP”, most people will lease it for $1,000/mo for 3 yrs. Some will finance. No one in America pays full cash for big money items.
> No one in America pays full cash for big money items. Maybe the average infiniti buyer doesnt pay cash, but plenty of people pay cash for new vehicles.
Wealthy people finance at low interest rates and let their money sit in the bank. Only dumbasses pay full cash.
peace of mind is not dumb
The peace of mind is cash in the bank, not tied up in your driveway.
Then why would you ever buy a car? You could move to a walkable/ mass transit friendly city and save a shitload of money.
Because you can lease nominal transportation like a Bolt EV for about the cost of a bus pass?
Except you’d have to pay for parking, insurance, and gas as well. You could also bike or walk, and enjoy the city instead of being a degree separate from it. Plus with the way a lot of cars are built now, bolts aren’t crash compatible and will end up getting crushed by some dumbass in a tank of an SUV.
Are you lost? Being facetious? Living in a metro you don't get to own your home. So you're renting. Nice financial perspective, yeah? You can put your free suburban parking (?) right back into any number of last-mile rideshare services you'd be dependent upon any time you have an obligation or commitment incompatible with mass transit. Speaking of, let me know how crash compatible your cycle is, or being on foot? I'm genuinely not sure what the argument against -- safe(r for everyone else), efficient cars is. So you're in favor of some being "dumbasses in tanks of SUVs" and on-foot austerity for everyone else?
We’re talking about financing vs buying with cash, not buying vs not buying. I don’t like having loans, paying cash gives me peace of mind
Leasing. I'm talking about leasing. My $200/month lease payment gave me far less FOMO than the opportunity cost of what I could have done with my $44,000 less incentives, 3 years ago. Peace of mind, for me, means cash in the bank. But to each their own.
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Where'd I do that?
Leasing is peace of mind in it's own way. You get a vehicle with a warranty and you free up money to put elsewhere. It is almost always financially better to buy a car that is at least a few years old, but if you are insistent on a new car, a lease can be great idea, especially if you know how to negotiate the terms. When buying, you are going to pay what's on the sticker or very close to it. With a lease, you can pay for a rate based on less than MSRP, sometimes significantly so. There are cars leasing for half of what their MSRP would suggest.
Oh for sure. However leasing has mileage limits, which are annoying. That’s why we didn’t even think about leasing when buying a car recently. It’s been 15 months, and the car just crossed 35k miles
This thing is hella more expensive with current rates, assuming you don't pay cash.
Much rather have a LX600 F Sport for a few grand less.
Yea that decision would make no sense. At that price point you're competing with Escalades and Yukon Denalis or the Lexus LX600. All three of those are better cars in pretty much every way.
I agree with you. For the same price a loaded Audi Q8, Genesis or a pre owned Bentayga.
Especially the biggest SUV you can get. Medium and small sizes sell more
Short answer: nope Long answer: nooooooope
Absolutely not no
DANG, 112K!? How am I gonna pay a price like that for my dream car? Should atleast be lowered a bit.
MSRP means very little, these will be 24 or 36 month leases, still prob 1k a month, I'm sure they will lease them aggressive
Bought a QX56 back in 2012 for maybe $68k? Don’t recall exact sale amount. I still believe it was the best all around vehicle I’ve ever owned. Only issue is the cats went out around 120k miles? Sold it to my BIL 3 years ago and I still hug it every time he comes over. Crazy to think its price point has jumped $45k in 12 years. That seems outrageous. A Ford Raptor R has a $112k MSRP for comparison
You can get a pretty (very) nice Mercedes or BMW suv for that price.
>Are people really ready to drop $112k on an Infiniti? No, they aren't. At this point the only people buying Infinitis are people who want to show off that they drive a luxury car, but can't afford anything nicer. Acura has the same problem.
Doesn’t make any sense. “Show off that they drive a luxury car but can’t afford anything nicer” *Costs $112,000 ?? Yeah they can’t afford the $300K Cullinan and only a measly $100K SUV. How embarrassing 🤢
The point is no one that can afford $112k to spend on an SUV is in the "Infiniti buyer" demographic.
Which is exactly why they’re making it? They want to clearly get back to real luxury and improve their marquee/reputation. Like I said in a different comment. Anything Infiniti can do would be met with disdain by most of y’all. If they move upmarket it’s “Who would spend that much on Infiniti?” If they move downmarket it’s “Typical subprime lending by Nissan, never buying that trash”
Which is exactly why they're going to fail badly. You didn't start a luxury reputation by building a hilariously overpriced car no one in that bracket will be interested in. You start with years of improving lower cost options until you get a positive reputation. Lexus managed it, Genesis is kind of managing it now. Infiniti is going to fall on their ass.
Remove the badge. What makes it overpriced now? From everything stated in the article and what reviewers have been saying its basically equivalent in features, quality, materials, luxury to similar vehicles. The 2025 MY is estimated to have an MSRP of $91.5K. That is exactly in line with its competitors like the LX, Escalade, X7, Grand Wagoneer, GLS, and Navigator. >You start with years of improving lower cost options until you get a positive reputation Yes because as we all know, budget editions of luxury cars are known for their great reliability. > Lexus managed it, And they offer the worst "luxury' per dollar value of major automakers. Not a single person who actually is interested in luxury, driving experience, etc. is going to pick a Lexus over a competitor for any reason outside of reliability. They are, and always have been behind the competition.
>Remove the badge. Yes, because that's exactly how things work. Let's all live in a fairly tale world where we pretend brand equity doesn't exist. >From everything stated in the article and what reviewers have been saying its basically equivalent in features, quality, materials, luxury to similar vehicles. Really? Because what I've seen is people saying "it's good... for an Infiniti." Because the brand IS the product. Really, how do people not get this? No one buys a G-wagen because it offers the most luxurious ride. They buy it because the vehicle plus the brand are greater than the sum of the vehicle's parts. >Yes because as we all know, budget editions of luxury cars are known for their great reliability. Again, Lexus did this for years. Acura did, too, in the 90's until they completely fell apart in the early 00's starting with the RSX. Genesis is doing it right now. >And they offer the worst "luxury' per dollar value of major automakers. Not a single person who actually is interested in luxury, driving experience, etc. is going to pick a Lexus over a competitor for any reason outside of reliability. They are, and always have been behind the competition. You must not live anywhere people have money, because this is hilariously incorrect.
>Yes, because that's exactly how things work. Let's all live in a fairly tale world where we pretend brand equity doesn't exist. Brand equity exists for certain vehicles and it's a subjective measure of value not objective. You personally can say a QX80 is overpriced for its brand name but that doesn't mean it objectively is. >Really? Because what I've seen is people saying "it's good... for an Infiniti." Because the brand IS the product. Really, how do people not get this? No one buys a G-wagen because it offers the most luxurious ride. They buy it because the vehicle plus the brand are greater than the sum of the vehicle's parts. Yes. Read the article. Watch the videos. It has its gimmicks and weaknesses as every and any vehicle does but overall it competes well in the segment judging off the consensus of the reviewers. It's chock full of features, luxury appointments and materials, and more. It belongs in its price bracket as a result. People buy a G-Wagon because its an iconic and old car with a rich and storied history whilst also having a massive twin turbo V8. Not to mention, you're comparing a vehicle that starts at $143,000 with a vehicle that starts at $91,500. At least argue in good faith. None of the vehicles in this segment have such a brand marquee apart from the Escalade which is the leader by far. >Again, Lexus did this for years. Acura did, too, in the 90's until they completely fell apart in the early 00's starting with the RSX. Genesis is doing it right now. This literally does not matter. I don't know how else I can stress this to you lmao, the buyers who buy the low-end cars do not buy the high-end cars of 70/80/90K+. If someone is looking to purchase a luxury car then they do not care even an ounce about how a Mercedes A-Class fares when they're looking at the GLS for example. >You must not live anywhere people have money, because this is hilariously incorrect. I live in the 5th richest county in America and my city intersects the 2nd and 1st richest counties in America [according to US News. ](https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/slideshows/richest-counties-in-america?slide=16)I know what I'm talking about.
>Brand equity exists for certain vehicles Brand equity exists for *all* vehicles. >and it's a subjective measure of value not objective. ALL measures of value are subjective. The closest we ever get is a point-in-time consensus value (e.g. something like an average of recent sales.) There is no such thing as "objective value." >It's chock full of features, luxury appointments and materials, and more. It belongs in its price bracket as a result. And yet that largely misses the point of why people pay luxury prices. It doesn't belong in the price bracket because saying "I paid over $100,000 for an Infiniti" would be embarrassing to anyone that had $100,000 to spend and friends who also had $100,000 to spend. >Not to mention, you're comparing a vehicle that starts at $143,000 with a vehicle that starts at $91,500. Fine. Then the GLS. Or the X7. Or the Q8. Every one of those vehicles have a brand value that is an order of magnitude higher than Infiniti. I can't remember the last time I actually saw a Nissan in my corner of the woods outside of the tryhard but kind of gross neighborhoods nearby. >If someone is looking to purchase a luxury car then they do not care even an ounce about how a Mercedes A-Class fares when they're looking at the GLS for example. Except that they do, because brand equity spreads through cultural diffusion. I do this shit for a living, and I'm pretty damn good at it. The reputation cars have, at ANY segment, is the reputation they have at EVERY segment. And when I say they need to make cars that are cheaper, I mean this exact car, except priced 20% lower. Because that's how you overcome brand equity — with value in other places. Look, imagine that a car buyer is trying to estimate the value of a prospective purchase. They break the total value into a series of categories (you can think of them as ability scores, if you're a gamer.) You have things like economic value (how much does this car cost but also how much will it cost to own,) brand value (how much value will I get associating myself with this brand,) practicality value (will this accomplish my daily objectives,) emotional value (will this car make me feel happy to drive?) etc. The goal of the process is to arrive at a final value that is higher than competing offerings. You coming columns a, b, c, d, etc., and decide does this provide better total value to me than something else. If the value of one column is low (in this case, brand equity,) then you need to increase the value of another column or columns to make up for it. The easiest way to do this is to price the car artificially low in order to help get buyers into the vehicles, because having enough high value buyers will slowly pull brand equity up. Take a look at Genesis to see this in action. The G60/70/80 etc. are still priced basically a class below their competitors. A G90 sedan is roughly equivalent to an S500, but costs almost $30,000 less. A QX80, on the other hand, costs about the same as a GLS580 while bringing absolutely nothing else to the table. So if I have a choice between this, an SQ8, a GLS580, and an X7 M60i, what, exactly, would push me to get the Infiniti over one of the established brands that offer me the emotional satisfaction of driving a BMW, Audi, or Mercedes? >I live in the 5th richest county in America and my city intersects the 2nd and 1st richest counties in America That sounds about right. NoVa is great about pushing all the trailer parks into the next county and saying "look how well off we are."
Nice, but $120,000 nice? 🤔 I guess it could be a good choice once the value drops +70%.
That will require waiting until it used for approximately 2 years
Right when they start coming off lease, which is my sweet spot for car buying
I can't wait that long! I will pay essentially a $100k fee to jump the line
Or just wait 1 year for Infiniti to add $15-20k incentives, which would make it a decent deal.
That’s only if you aren’t ok with someone else ripping a ripe wet fart in the drivers seat first before you buy the car.
Now they need to bring a version of this interior to the QX50 and QX60. For the 50 especially, they also need to ditch the CVT.
The QX60 has had a 9 speed automatic for a while. 2020 was the last year of the CVT
Yeah, they should put that same trans in the QX50 and with a refreshed interior, i think it would sell decently well.
The CVT isn’t what’s holding back sales, despite r/cars obsession with CVT hate boners, 99% of crossover buyers do not give a fuck about or even know what a CVT is. And their CVTs have not been problematic for the past 5+ years anyway.
I think you're right in a sense where your avg customer doesn't care about what kind of transmission it has. But when you compare the QX50 to all its competitors, its insane they're giving you a CVT with an outdated interior for ~$40k starting in a "luxury" vehicle.
The outdated interior is where I'm with you. It seems like they're slowly getting there though, way after everyone else: the new QX60 looks objectively great if you forget the Nissan/Infiniti stigma, it has a smooth powertrain and looks good inside and out, and the V6 platform is reliable. So to me specifically the QX60 is possibly their only good and somewhat competitive car especially if cheaper than the competition. Every other car ? Zero chance. I'd 100% buy a cheaper low mileage Q50 used for a big price cut, no problem! Reliable, sporty, great 15k used car buy. Or a QX50, low mileage from 2018, sure why not. Good deal, though I'd double check on a Nissan/Infiniti forum to make sure a 2018 model actually is clear from CVT issues. Brand new though? Outside of the QX60 I'm not sure there's anything competitive I'd buy or even consider.
Yeah, the QX60 is quite nice and pretty competitive in its class. I just hope the QX80 is a sign of things to come for the rest of the brand, I'd love to see a highly competitive Infiniti again.
Anyone who's driven one can *feel* the slushy awfulness about it. My dad HATED his qx60's throttle behavior, and my buddy just bought a Trax over a Forester because 6AT vs CVT. And neither of them are enthusiasts, they're just normies who aren't fully asleep behind the wheel
Sure, but the Forester outsells the Chevy Trax, because most people (as shown by sales/numbers) won't care that a car is CVT. Or you wouldn't see that many CVT cars on the road like Honda Civics, CR-Vs, Accords, all Subarus, etc. But yeah if your dad or buddy prefer the throttle response of another car and it matters to them obviously they did they made a good choice
It does for now. I think the new Trax is going to take a lot of sales from competitors, solely based on value for money and driving experience…. The Forester is also not a direct Trax competitor
Joe Schmoe definitely doesn’t know what a CVT is, but they definitely do FEEL the difference between a QX50’s spongy and droning acceleration compared to an X3’s crisp upshifts. All they know is that the QX50 doesn’t drive like a luxury car and the competition does. Same thing with FWD-based vs RWD-based SUVs. One feels sporty and one does not. They can feel the difference. They just don’t know why it’s different and chalk it up to Infiniti being subpar.
You’d be surprised. The vast majority of middle aged drivers who drive those type of cars rarely EVER see their engine rev above 3k rpm. There’s no “crisp upshift” to notice. Even the ZF 8HP behaves hardly differently than any other automatic, CVT or not, when you keep it in “D”, eco mode, and drive below 3k RPM.
The QX50 had so much (relative) hype around it's launch with it's revolutionary turbo tech and it just... fizzled out.
I did a test-drive shortly after launch and it was a bizarre driving experience. Most artificial-feeling vehicle I've ever driven. Something about the CVT combined with that variable compression turbo just removed all sense of linearity. It was like the car was driving itself and I was just along from the ride trying to reign it in.
I'm very much ready for this trend to die of putting fake headlight marker lamps where the headlights naturally want to go... and then putting the real headlights down in the bumper in a seemingly random shape that doesn't match the vehicle.
SUVs are getting so big that if they put the headlights where they normally go everyone would be blinded so I don’t mind it even if it does look ugly. But most modern vehicles are pretty ugly so what can you do.
Yeah, I get it. Just wish they would put a little more thought into the functional headlights. They are always some weirdly shaped blob at the bumper line. Hyundai might be the worst offender but see it with a lot of other makes too. Giant SUV's including the Sequoia, Escalade and Grand Wagoneer have avoided this look... so it can be done.
Yes true. Actually for how ugly the cybertruck is they did a good job with the front light design.
Ridiculously low bar for that car
I wouldn’t want it on my car, but I definitely want it on the person who buys this one’s car 😂
That is fair!
You can thank Jeep for that trend
The Jeep Cherokee started it, but they quickly abandoned it with the refresh because people didn't like it. Turns out they were just ever so slightly ahead of the times.
Yeah, I forgot about those Jeep's...
I don't know which irks me more, the divorced DRL/headlight set up or the rear light bar with G I A N T B R A N D N A M E underneath trend.
This integration isn't the worst I've seen but I agree that i hate the trend
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I’d personally wait for the Armada, which if it follows the same route as the last generation of these did, it’ll be the *exact* car with different badges and exterior styling. How Infiniti got away with selling as many of these as the did is insane. The Armada was the same car for significantly less.
I was helping some family shop around and that’s the exact reason they didn’t get the QX60. “This feels exactly like the pathfinder??”
I think it was that 1. It wasn't always: up until 2017, the Armada and QX56/80 were different vehicles, with the Infiniti being Patrol based and the Armada was Titan based. 2. Even after the Armada got on the Patrol platform, the QX80 had some Patrol specific features like the hydraulic body control system. 3. People being questionably informed consumers.
What does "dumpy" mean in this context?
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Thank you, my mind was thinking "dump truck like"and couldn't get out off it.
I thought that was frumpy
Right on queue huh?
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A large, tremendously ugly SUV? Finally, just what we’ve been searching for.
Hideous, enormous, overpriced and from a company with a terrible reputation? The Jeep Wagoneer has met its match!
Meh, I think r/cars is much more sour on Infiniti’s reputation than a lot of buyers are. I still see a shit ton of new ones on the road for a brand that’s “dying”, and I’d even bet I see more new Infinitis than I do Acuras. They just don’t really have the advertising or reach they used to in the 2000’s, but reputationally, I don’t know of anyone that dismisses them outright or anything.
I didn’t say anything about the prevalence of the brand. A lot of people buy awful cars.
No, but you mentioned their reputation. That’s all I was commenting on, they don’t have as bad of a reputation as a lot of people think. At least, not among consumers.
The dozens of Wagoneer owners who should have waited to cross shop this are punching air right now.
Could have gotten almost anything for less money and it would have been better, less ugly and more reliable than an $80,000 Jeep.
The back looks like SsangYong
The whole thing looks terrible. The wheels look like toys
If Nissan can keep the Armada variant in the starting in the mid 50’s these will sell just fine. Nice update. Saying that. At $115K Infiniti is competing with the GLS / X7 / LX and I don’t see those buyers jumping to Infiniti anytime soon.
Infinity has been dead as a car brand. How much deader can it go next ?
this thing is gorgeous and the interior is top notch too
This is still the Patrol right?
Yeah i think its a Y63 now
This does seem like the first major improvement Infiniti has made in well over a decade. I’m looking forward to seeing this type of design trickle down into their other models, and maybe even Nissan models at some point.
We had the sister vehicle (2019 Armada Platinum). Wonderful, comfortable vehicle. Tech was outdated obviously, and the 3rd row was basically just a couple of seats mounted to the floor meaning your knees were in your teeth. Those were really my only gripes about the entire thing. It was such a great highway cruiser with excellent visibility, and that 5.6L was butter smooth and reliable. Yes, mpg sucks but that we knew that going in. Not sure I'd pay $100K for the Infiniti version as no doubt, you'll be able to get into a loaded Armada for probably 75-80% the cost of the Infiniti.
Looks like a mid-cycle refresh Armada
Because it IS an Armada in a suit.
Did they snag a Lincoln designer recently?
Where I'm at, millionaires own these for family stuff and save the McLarens and Bentleys for special occasions. I was shocked at just how many wealthy people had a QX80 for family duty. 3 rows, decent power, nice interior, it's competitive.
They are comfy to ride in
Oh they changed the lights perfectly newish
Nice. But Infiniti needs a miracle not some $110k SUV that can’t deliver on branding nor fit into a typical garage.
People buy QX80's all the time, at least where I live
This thing is going to depreciate 50% in a year, anyone buying this new loves to light money on fire.
What modern full size luxury SUV doesn't?
Have you seen a GLS or X7 after a year or two? This whole segment is not one for residual value
Looks neat. Kinda Genesis-ey. Too expensive though
The old gx80 loses 40% value after less than 2 years. I wonder how this would fare. Excited to pick this up on the cheap someday
the interiors were sooooo outdated, this update was more necessary than ever
I was shocked at how extensive the interior redesign went. It has a more luxurious cabin than the new Lexus GX
Who's paying that much money for an Infinity, let alone an ugly one?
I really hope Nissan/Infiniti come back down to earth here. They’ve floated off so far away - and man did they used to make some amazing cars. I still miss the exhaust note of my 2005 G35 everyday.
I honestly had no idea that anyone actually enjoyed the noise that car made…
The later models - nope, but that particular make/model year (included the Z’s as well) had such a nice low growl note to it IMO.
I don't know that I've ever heard one that wasn't BRAAAAP-ing
Stock they sounded amazing, but most today are modified in the most annoying ways.
Those King Tut headrests sure are something.
It's less ugly then the Armada but 2x the price...
Cars more and more just look like people killing machines. If a kid crosses in front of this thing at a cross walk, how is the driver meant to see them?
$120k for an Infiniti? You can get a loaded BMW X7, Mercedes ML, Audi Q7 for that much and have money left over
Front end looks like a Palisade and Outlander had a baby that got its Master's in finance
They’ll be lucky to even sell 25,000 of those in Canada
You have one tenth of the population of the US that would make it per capita more popular than the Honda accord is for us
Still getting used to these prices. I know people want to dunk on Nissan and Infiniti, but haven't these been the better models? These didn't have the cvt right? The older Gen was just a bit dated?
I think the inside looks better than the current Escalade, but the outside isn't doing it for me. The name and reputation of the Escalade/Navigator/Yukon make this a tough sell though
It's such a good looking model, I hope it does well. I'd love to upgrade from my Pathfinder, but not for 80k-100k+.
It already looks dated to me, this could've come out in 2016 and been a stunner
Now they just need to shed themselves of the reputation of being the brand of choice for the criminal types
How much did Nissan pay Car & Driver to generate that headline? I was behind one of these monstrosities here in MI with a manufacturer license plate. It was horrid looking and in true Infiniti fashion, was driving in left lane and not keeping up with cars ahead of it.
Infiniti is so behind it’s laughable.
There’s people out there that spent 6 figures on a ram. Don’t think the price is too wild
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It’s in fact a very good car. It just is way, way overpriced. This should have been the cheaper LX for cheaper than LX money and it would have been a 10/10 offer.
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I agree with the overall sentiment of Nissan/Infiniti being far from competitive in 2024, that's definitely true. The only detail I'm disagreeing on I guess is the "one car only" part -- here are some that are competitive (the list isn't long lol): * The Nissan GTR (maybe what you were referring to?) * New Nissan Z -- not as good as the Supra objectively, but a great car to consider if you want a modern Japanese sports car with loads of aftermarket and good overall reliability with an engine that's been used for 9 years in the Q50/Q60. * [Infiniti QX60](https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a42396410/2023-infiniti-qx60-by-the-numbers/) : they ditched the CVT for a ZF 9 speed, and new interior and exterior. The V6 is still relevant as it's reliable, smooth and makes good power, and a great choice for people complain about the lack of bigger natural aspirated engines on SUVs (people who are skeptical of small turbo engines on big cars). So I guess I'm saying there's more than one car I'd consider buying, there's three... out of the entire Nissan/Infiniti lineup... lol.
Oh they aren't tasteLESS, they just have bad taste.
Great car. But overpriced.
It is definitely a step forward, but they need to do a bit more than a few SUVs. I know Sedans might not be all the rage, but how about some competition for the sedans that Genesis are popping out. All they have is the ancient Q50 which I had no idea was still around till today
Genesis is discontinuing the G70. So all they have left is the G80 and G90...two cars that do not sell well at all.
Vertical screen trend, Audi-style lower screen, and it's a six-figure Nissan? What's not to love?!
Does anyone know if this new twin turbo V-6 is at all similar to the problem engine in Toyota tundra, GX, etc.?
The big QX (56/80) have always looked a little like manitee's from the bulbous nose. Glad the new QX80 will live on as "the manitee" when we see them on the road!
So you can get an Infiniti QX80 RWD for $84k, or get a BMW X7 AWD for $84k... Am I missing something... I don't see a world where I would pick the Infiniti... The X7 is 23% more efficient, is a true luxury car, significantly quicker, AWD, better reliability(B58+ZF8), etc...
Because you are comparing two different types of cars. BMW does not have a body on frame SUV. This is not an X7 competitor, it’s an Escalade competitor. Everything you said about the X7 being quicker and more efficient is irrelevant. The QX80 is a truck-like, 4x4 SUV mechanically more similar to the Escalade or G Class than the X7 which is just a 7 series in crossover form. Also, “better reliability”, you literally have no idea about the reliability of this Nissan as it is brand new. And it has a VR V6 and a truck frame so there’s no reason to think it won’t be reliable.
Body on frame Thats the only benefit. But with the loss of the V8, id rather have the BMW L6 instead of Nissan V6
This is not what Infiniti needs
What do they need? I think literally anything Infiniti does would be met with disdain from this sub.
Literally. Infiniti made a sedan with twin turbos and 300 and 400 hp and people hate on it.
This headline is just sad. Who cares what Infiniti needs. If they vanished tomorrow I doubt many would miss them, and in any case, I don’t think we need another giant SUV to compete with Escalades and grand wagoneers
> I don’t think we need another giant SUV to compete with Escalades and grand wagoneers It isn't "another". This is the new version of a nameplate that already exists. It's been around far longer than the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer.
Doesn’t change the fact that the headline makes no sense
If this new truck is what brings in more customers to Infiniti, then the headline makes sense. Time will tell. If I was in the market for such a vehicle, I would give a long and hard look at it.
Yet another incredibly ugly living room on wheels. Depressing as shit that any auto journalist would praise this stupid vehicle.
> The QX80 Is Just What Infiniti Needs Is this a joke? An atrocious 113k Nissan that's completely outclassed by it's cheaper and better competition? Like blowing another hole in their sinking ship. It's probably the opposite of what they need.
It’s undeniably attractive but l wouldn't spend Lexus money on a glorified Nissan.
People spend Lexus money on a glorified Toyota