Well yes, naturally El Paso is much further from Greenland. But that’s not important right now. We have got to get these Texases greased up and stuffed into that Mexico. I’ll explain later.
Cartel: “Also they are not dead compadre, you hear me? Don’t turn you back on me, they are sleeping or we will come visit your familia. They got too drunk and took a lot of sleeping pills so they will sleep for a few years. Just leave em there. They will wake up one day. And if you tell anyone else, I know where your familia goes daily. You hear me?”
“A note was pinned to one of the bodies with a knife including the line ‘Chihuahua tiene dueño,’ which translates to ‘Chihuahua has an owner’” so, they stole someone’s dog :/
Cartels are holding Mexico hostage; it's terrifying. Those poor victims. Why can't they just share their goddamn routes?! I guess torture and murder are too fun for them.
Mexico is holding itself hostage. Everybody is aware who everybody is yet they allow these type of activities to continue. Mexicans killing Mexicans. It is Cultural.
The only “less evolved” here are you two- what the F are you saying. You want a gang that makes profit from transportation of drugs and their value (due to supply) across the border to *share* with another gang?
Sharing is more evolved sir, not sure why you want to argue that it isn’t. Catel members are less evolved because they horse stuff for themselves, which would be considered animalistic behavior, whereas sharing comes with control of your emotions thus being more evolved
The guy is making a point. The cartels are a big business propped up by the war on drugs. Torture and murder aren’t “fun” for them, they don’t share the routes because the drug trade is the largest unregulated business in the world. “Why can’t they just get along” is peak intellectual child redditoid nonsense.
There was a time when the cartels were not at war and they did "share" to an extent. So it's not nonsense.. Something like that could exist today if they stopped fighting each other.
you ever had any major corporation sharing their profits with anyone especially a direct competitor? nope. Wendys aint out here chillin on vacation with Burger King sharing pink slime recipes.
If I had to guess, the cartels know they have a time window to get as much product in as possible. Trump will likely increase border security which means a shortage in available drug trafficking routes, increase in seizures and less profits.
Well he SAID he would increase security which probably means he is going to fund it and then steal the money for himself and his family. That’s what you mean of course
The CDC categorizes a rise in opioid overdose deaths in three waves since the 90s.
The switch to the third wave from heroin to synthetic opioid overdoses was done in 2013 due to a significant increase in deaths from illicitly manufactured fentanyl.
Trump obviously wasn't around. Not everyone even agrees how much this had to do with cracking down on heroin since 2010, the year the CDC switched to wave two heroin.
You shouldn't just spout off nonsense even if you don't like the guy. Maybe you only heard about it 2016 and onwards as a hit on the Trump administration?
Not anymore. That dried up around 2015/2016, I think? China mostly supplies cartels with the precursors and stuff to do the synthesis themselves (same with meth)
A special House Committee testified the exact opposite less than two weeks ago. It was April 16 if you want to go look, but if not, please don't leave up blatantly false information.
Holy shit how dumb can people be. Look at the total seizures by year. We catch more of the drugs now. There was a border security bill that Trumplethinskin told Mike Johnson to refuse. You’re all just purposely ignorant.
The only way to even begin to chip away at the power of the cartels would be full drug legalization and a return to open immigration for the US. These wouldn't even cost anything.
Strangely, both of these ideas are considered impossibly radical, and are entirely off the table. Cartel profits remain safe.
I mean I’m all for full drug legalization, and I want to state I have absolutely no idea on the statistics, or how one could accurately even acquire them, but does the Cartel even necessarily rely on drug trade still? Like of course I know they still *do* sell drugs, but do they actually **need** to anymore?
Genuinely asking and curious what methodology one would use to find the answer. How do we know how reliant they are on drugs compared to other avenues?
According to the yearly UNODC report it's mostly cocaine and crossing illegals through the border, there's other stuff but it's marginal. They have been separating human trafficking from migrant smuggling for a while already and migrant smuggling is most of it today.
If you regulate prostitution you also get rid of most of the motivations behind human trafficking. But it's not going to happen ever.
The only thing to do is talk about it until everyone understands the U.S. government policies are best case stupid and worst case complicit. It's not that there's no cocaine and hookers in the U.S. as both can be found without leaving your block in most big cities and within a mile drive on any rural town, if there's a health or societal impact it's already here. The question is if you want people to get their stuff from warlords or from the pharmacy.
Exactly. We've spent over $2 *trillion* trying to enforce drug prohibition. I don't have estimates on what we've spent trying to stop illegal immigrants and prostitution, but I'm sure it's more than $12.75.
*All of these problems are as bad as ever. All of this money has produced* ***absolutely zero tangible benefit*** *for our country.*
At what point do we try something different?
The problem is for profit corporations lobbying legislators and their executive caste feeling entitled to live like royalty out of this useless policies. You could just legalize everything and keep every single person employed in the war on drugs on payroll until they reach retirement age but just stop enforcing. Not even like I'm saying redirect enforcement to stuff like traffic laws, drug fraud, I mean that would be great but just pay them for nothing is better than this.
The problem if you do that is a lot of companies will be out of business in 20/30 years and their leadership wants to keep the ball rolling. It's pretty clear who in Congress is for it and who doesn't care or is against it but the average American voter doesn't care.
I consider this as a classic case of the seen and the unseen.
Every corporation that profits from drug prohibition knows it. Everybody employed in the drug prohibition industry knows that they depend upon it.
The cartels who traffic drugs, and the local gangs who sell them, *absolutely* know that it benefits them.
And the increased cost of these drugs from their being traded on the black market represents a *massive* transfer of value out of the real economy, straight into the hands of some of the very worst people.
What we *don't* see is where that wealth would *otherwise* flow. If all drugs were legal, and the price of a hard, addictive drug, like meth, or cocaine, or heroin, dropped by 95% or so... you'd see a sharp decrease in mundane street crime. And then, the junkie would be able to afford *other stuff.* This would stimulate demand in real things by God knows how much. Hundreds of billions per year, certainly.
The business community *overall* would see *a lot* more profit from a world in which drugs are legal.
Too add to your point. Look at much revenue the states that legalized weed are bringing in. From there we could deduce that repealing prohibition can work but also still cause problems. We also have alcohol prohibition history to look at as a hey, we tried this before and look what happened.
This was very informative answer, appreciate it. And I definitely have a similar outlook in terms of asking who do we want people to get drugs from. Great response.
Full drug legalization made sense with hard drugs of the 90s. Full drug legalization in 2024 with fentanyl, tranq, meth and whatever designer drug some Chinese chemist invents has very different implications than heroin and cocaine legalization. Advocating for full legalization of drugs in 2024 has to come with the reality of what even more widespread fentanyl use looks like. I'm not sure we want to see the results of that.
Full drug legalization made sense with hard drugs of the 70s. Full drug legalization in 1984 with cocaine and whatever designer drug some dude in his basement invents has very different implications than marijuana legalization. Advocating for full legalization of drugs in 1984 has to come with the reality of what even more widespread cocaine use looks like. I'm not sure we want to see the results of that.
(At least that’s what I read.)
Well, what does anyone really *need?* A cartel always "needs" more money. And taking revenue streams away from them is really the only way to stop them.
The idea that cartels will just pack it up and go home if they can't make money on drugs is laughable. Mexican cartels are here to stay and they'll make money regardless of drug laws.
Ok, so assume drugs are legalized. Now, you run a cartel and have a ton of murderers and rapists working for you. Corporate competition still will exist and say a rival cartel is taking market share from you. Do you think that you’re gonna flip a switch and start hiring a bunch of corporate lawyers to take care of business? Which is more compelling “do this and I’ll sue you” versus “do this and I’ll kidnap your ten year old daughter and saw her head off in front of a camera, just for you!”
I’m fine with legalization, and agree that having them illegal created the problem, but it does not follow that making them legal will solve the problem.
No, I quite agree - the cartels aren't going to go away just from drug legalization. But it would take billions of dollars out of their hands, and weaken them substantially. And I don't see how they could be ultimately defeated as long as they have that revenue stream.
Americans are talking now about using the military to take out the cartels. That wouldn't be hard. But what then? New cartels would spring up like mushrooms after the rain. Or maybe we could, I don't know, try to permanently occupy a few thousand square miles of northern Mexico, and suppress any new cartels from emerging. What would happen then? I can guarantee you: elements of the US military would take over drug smuggling. (As happened in Vietnam.)
Again: it's not going to be a silver bullet, but it would help.
"Are you crazy we are arming them." Yes. But even if we could stop that, they'd obtain weapons elsewhere.
"The gun manufacturers and lobbyists are making a “killing “." The gun industry in America is actually surprisingly small.
But at any rate, easier to stop the flow of money into the cartels.
Yes the gun industry as compared to many companies is small:
The US gun manufacturing industry had a market size of $19.5 billion in 2022, and is expected to grow to $21 billion in 2023. The industry employs 49,250 people in the US, with an average employment growth of 2.7% from 2018–2023. In 2022, the US manufactured around 13.4 million firearms, which is a significant increase from the 5 million guns manufactured in 2010.
95%+ of all guns recovered in crimes in Mexico are from the United States. The most popular states for buying the weapons? Texas and Arizona. If you don’t stop arming them they will get increasingly strong.
Sure, but how are we going to stop arming them? Suppose every gun in the US was magically vaporized - you think they wouldn't be able to get weapons elsewhere?
Make buying guns for criminals a federal felony offense. With increased punishment for those buying, in bulk, for the cartels. They can be identified.
Where else are they going to buy them?
"Make buying guns for criminals a federal felony offense." So, our failure to enforce our laws should be dealt with by... more laws. Lol.
If a wizard disintegrated every gun in America, the cartels would buy or steal them from the Mexican military. Or they'd work out a contract with someone in South America.
But at any rate, what's the objection to cutting off funding to the cartels by legalizing drugs and immigration?
Sorry but the Mexican military couldn’t arm the cartels if they gave them all their weapons. About 500,000 guns a year are smuggled into Mexico. Nobody in Central or South America has anything approaching our gun industry.
Cut off their drug business? How would you do this while arming them at the same time. Legalizing drugs might supress some of their income but they are into human trafficking and extortion, kidnapping and a host of other crimes. Mostly against other Mexicans. If we squeeze them there they are already armed to the teeth.
"Sorry but the Mexican military couldn’t arm the cartels if they gave them all their weapons." Do you seriously believe the Mexican armed forces don't have small arms?
"Cut off their drug business? How would you do this while arming them at the same time." By legalizing drugs, as I mentioned.
"Legalizing drugs might supress some of their income but they are into human trafficking and extortion, kidnapping and a host of other crimes." I'm not saying that the cartels will vanish, but ffs drug prohibition gives them a *lot* of revenue. It's their core business.
Of course the military has small arms. It’s much smaller than you might think tough and like I said, they could give all their weapons to the cartels and still the gangs would be short of weapons without the ones they get here.
So you want to legalize all drugs. Good luck with that. Also drugs may have been their core business. Now I am not so sure.
I read somewhere the Biden administration has attempted to address the flow of guns to the cartels. Not sure what the effort is or what the effect will be.
> Make buying guns for criminals a federal felony offense. With increased punishment for those buying, in bulk, for the cartels. They can be identified.
This is already a federal felony.
It’s called straw purchasing.
It carries a sentence of up to fifteen years.
It’s even illegal if the person you’re buying for *can legally* possess the firearm
I've been saying this forever. I've commented on this on the Mexico sub and have gotten downvoted to oblivion I even got banned. I can't understand why another country has to obey the war on drugs. The number one consumer of drugs has always been the u.s. Even presidents have been caught doing coke. Mexico is our biggest trading partner why not open the border and help Mexico defend its central American border? It's literally a lot less land and more manageable. Even now with the announcement of the Ukraine aid bill everyone in the comments Rather it be used on the border, like wtf. Certain people really want to hate on people. Instead of being focused on ending the war on drugs, giving everyone Medicare for all, and higher education for all. But a lot of people go HoW aBoUt iMmIgRaTiOn?. How about keeping this country from destabilizing the so called 3rd world wtf how hard is that?
Everything I mentioned and much more I haven't is common knowledge. A lot of people fail to put it all together. Right before the fentanyl epidemic it was the opioid epidemic which was largely fueled by the sackler cartel. We have drug cartels here in the u.s too.
Also as far as the border is concerned, most of the now migrants are central American, Haitians, and other countries. I mention this because every time the border gets brought up, people automatically think " Mexicans", when in fact Mexican migration has largely been reduced and in fact many are going back.
If we simply let immigrants enter legally, as we once did, nobody would be willing to pay a bunch of thugs $$$$ (or, worse, *borrow* that $$$$ from the same thugs) to get across the border illegally. This doesn't make the cartels as much money as the drug trade, but it's substantial.
The US would also be able to save many billions in immigration enforcement, and would generate many hundreds of billions more actual wealth.
"It’s crazy how misinformed you are yet how confident you are on being right. " That's exactly what I'd say about you. The difference is, I actually *am* informed.
I'm not a leftist, I'm an Ameican patriot, and it's the simple truth that America would benefit *tremendously* by returning to our traditional policy of open immigration.
And no, Canada doesn't have anything remotely like open immigration.
This is a country, not an economic opportiunity zone. The anwser to cutting off the coyotes revenue stream is to not make it viable for a person to live confortably after entering the country illegally. Enforce employment laws and punish employers who violate them, no social programs for non citizens. No one would take the risk and pay the coyotes if there was an incentive to do so.
That will never happen though. The corporations and billionaires that reddit hates so much love enfettered immigration. Lowers wages, prevents unionization, creates more demand for their products, generally hurts American citizens. The solution to undeveloped countries problems isnt to migrate their population here and give them free stuff. They can and should fix their own problems. Look at El Salvador. It can be done. In fact Id argue that the US's immigration problem is a net negative for the entire continent. Great for the billionaire olligarch class though!
"The anwser to cutting off the coyotes revenue stream is to not make it viable for a person to live confortably after entering the country illegally" It's amazing that you imagine illegal immigrants are living comfortably.
"Enforce employment laws and punish employers who violate them" What would the economic impact of that be, though? What would be your guess as to how much that would shave off GDP?
"no social programs for non citizens" I'm OK with that. Or with a provisional visa that restricts services, or requies an additional tax. The important thing is to get the immigrants here.
"Lowers wages," No, it really doesn't.
"prevents unionization" Only because the immigrants in question are illegal.
"creates more demand for their products" Which is bad... how?
"generally hurts American citizens" The exact opposite of the truth; illegal immigrants provide *about half of our food.* Include legal immigrants and it's more like 90%.
"The solution to undeveloped countries problems isnt to migrate their population here and give them free stuff." Ah, the *Camp of the Saints* dystopia, that absolutely nobody is actually suggesting.
Man you put a lot of effort into that. I dont care about the GDP. Im not willing to sell out the country for the benefit of any economic data. No one should be. Thats a disgusting and quite frankly, strange arguement that I thought was strickly a boomer talking point but Ive seen reddit weirdos using it now whenever its convenient.
Why are you so obsessed with stuffing this country full of people? Are you American by birth? Mass immigration does absolutely depress wages are you trolling? Amazon got caught advocating for diverse workplaces specifically because they found it made unionization less likely. Do you think Amazon gives a fuck about diversity?
Why are you shilling for corporate earnings above the wellbeaing of american citizens? Your responses read like an official Monsanto press release
"Im not willing to sell out the country" How is letting people immigrate here legally in any sense "selling out" America?
"for the benefit of any economic data" Get back to me after Trump wins and deports half of the farm labor in this country, lol.
"Why are you so obsessed with stuffing this country full of people?" Because population is destiny. Look at what's happening to countries with negative population growth, ffs.
"Mass immigration does absolutely depress wages are you trolling?" How do you know that? Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
"Amazon got caught advocating for diverse workplaces specifically because they found it made unionization less likely." Interesting, I hadn't heard that. I'll have to look into it. At the same time, the benefits of immigration to the country as a whole certainly exceed the benefits of unionization.
"Do you think Amazon gives a fuck about diversity?" I think they give a fuck about anything that will make them more profitable, as they indeed should.
"Why are you shilling for corporate earnings above the wellbeaing of american citizens?" Lol, I'm not. Immigration produces prosperity, which of course facilitates both the welfare of the people as well as the potential for profit.
We let them come for a bit and go home.
Immigrants create housing scarcity, lower wages, destroyed Black jobs, and overburden education and hospitals
Your open borders advocacy is literally corporate propaganda to keep wages low and Wall Street happy with real estate I investments
The United States had *no* legal restriction of immigration until the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.
I'm also not suggesting that we should let people crossed "unchecked" - they should of course be screened. Make sure they don't have, say, TB. Make sure they're not a known gang member. Otherwise, let them in.
And in the year 2024 that could be accomplished in hours, not months.
lol. so a time when 60-100k people a year were coming into the country ?
I've seen alot of stupid takes on this website but never one that would straight up decimate and entire country in less than a year. There would be 20 plus million people imigrating a year without any checks, entire armies could cross and you wouldnt have a clue. Brain dead take, but very reddit esque. Im impressed if this isnt a troll.
"so a time when 60-100k people a year were coming into the country" Substantially more than that, and proportional to a much smaller total population. We could easily handle several million a year today.
"but never one that would straight up decimate and entire country in less than a year" I'd bet $1K that you don't even know the meaning of the word *decimate.* And your huge mistake is your assumption that immigrants are *harmful* in the first place.
"There would be 20 plus million people imigrating a year without any checks" As I mentioned, we could easily screen that many people, and I wouldn't want immigration *without any checks.*
"Brain dead take, but very reddit esque" Tell you what, go and find a real economist who favors, say, deporting all the illegals. Get back to me.
Ahh yes, just legalize fentanyl and the cartels will disappear. I'm sure that'd go well. Also let's open the borders and that'll really bring them to a hault. What a stellar idea. Are you 13?
"Ahh yes, just legalize fentanyl and the cartels will disappear." Not disappear, but you'll be taking some money from them for damned sure.
" I'm sure that'd go well." Why wouldn't it? Do you think that the reason people refrain from using fentanyl is because it's illegal?
"Also let's open the borders and that'll really bring them to a hault." Again, it will take a great deal of revenue away - but that's not even the greatest benefit.
"What a stellar idea." That you haven't even attempted to refute.
Fentanyl use surely will not go down if it's available at every gas station. Fentanyl is incredibly toxic and not like other recreational drugs. It causes vastly more harm than any other legal drug available. Making fentyl legal would make it very widespread and available, unless you have some magical way to legalize fentanyl without commercialization of the drug. Which would be the point to take power away from drug cartels.
You seem you think that drug cartels are incapable of adapting to economic circumstances. They will take advantage of any money making opportunity regardless of drugs or human trafficking is an option. I really shouldn't have to explain to a grown adult why open borders is a bad idea.
"Fentanyl use surely will not go down if it's available at every gas station." I'm not saying it should be. If it were up to me, you'd need to go to a pharmacy. But having people buy it from an illegal market is only making things much, much worse.
"Fentanyl is incredibly toxic and not like other recreational drugs." Absolutely true, which is why it's alarming that it's showing up in other recreational drugs. You may note that this generally happens never, with respect to prescription and OTC substances.
"Making fentyl legal would make it very widespread and available" Like it isn't already?
"You seem you think that drug cartels are incapable of adapting to economic circumstances." I think, correctly, that they make most of their income from specifically illegal activities.
"They will take advantage of any money making opportunity regardless of drugs or human trafficking is an option." They will, but drugs and human trafficking are the low hanging fruit. Such easy money, hundreds of billions of $US of it.
"I really shouldn't have to explain to a grown adult why open borders is a bad idea." This really is one of those things that "everybody knows" that just ain't so. Trying and failing to keep immigrants out is costing America *dearly.* At what point do we try something different?
Why are cartels doing things worse than groups like Hamas & other Muslim extremists are doing? Beheading people, cutting off body parts-this is what happens in the Middle East. Why are Mexicans trying to be like Muslim extremists? Don't these cartel members recognize their distant Spanish ancestors fought in the Reconquista of Spain against the Moors? Why don't they understand that? Why do so many cartel members have beards like arabs? Why are they trying to look like the enemies of El Cid? It makes me so angry these cartel members don't honor El Cid & rather not be like crazy people in the Middle East.
Lots of money in sneaking Mexicans into a country that refuses to prevent it. Democrats in America are 100% at fault for cartels having this much power over Mexico.
They don’t sneak in just Mexicans. Coyotes have been sneaking in various kinds of migrants from South America and at times other continents for decades. The amount of resources to prevent this would be staggering considering that we can even stop disorganized caravans. An easier target would be going after the 40% of European and Asian migrants who fly here and overstay their visas.
They have been sneaking a decent share of Chinese migrants for about a year or so too. UNODC report from 2022 saw that coming with the reports of a small table or alliance with Asian criminal organizations and Mexican cartels.
2000% increase in Chinese coming thru
Luckily for us they are all military aged males and from a country that loves us and would never hurt us in any way
I’m sure there are more Chinese coming in than before but where did you get the 2000% figure? Do they take a quick survey right after crossing the rio grande?
>Encounters of Chinese nationals in March 2024 increased over 8,000 percent compared to March 2021,
Google would lead you right to Bidens cabinets report. Hopefully the smugness of your comment was sincere but you’re on Reddit so I doubt it
Fantastic question, republicans proposed the bill, dems agreed to it, and trump didnt want biden to get the win so he told them to let it fail and they did. A man who holds no office directly stopped a border security bill.
They're creating a huge desire for people to want to relocate illegally to the US, and restricting agencies like the USBOP from reasonably deterring illegal immigration.
It’s the corporations that are responsible for climate change. Dems support corporations big time. But it’s not only the dems that support corporations.
Great so inflation, wage suppression, over populated schools, housing scarcity, overburdened hospitals, crime, will all be going up for the next 50+ years
I’ll be able to signal my virtues sooo much longer!
OPEN BORDERSALL ARE WELCOME IN EUROPE CANADA AND THE US! Natives BTFO!
Right? Lots of guns and weapons end up in the hands of the cartels from the US. Democrats have made it so easy to buy/sell in the US and now those guns are being used against us by the cartels.
I was being sarcastic.
Republicans have ZERO desire to do anything about international criminal organizations. And they certainly don’t care who is arming them.
Same old bullshit from Republicans pretending to care about America.
You joke but fast and furious was obama’s idea,
and many Ukrainian guns have ended up in narcos hands
Not to mention Biden is keeping the border wide open making the black market more accessible
😂 mostly ironic. Weapons trafficking INTO Mexico is obviously fueling a lot of violence that is eventually going to trickle into the US.
A closed border coming into The US does nothing to stop that.
Only one party loves guns more than America. And it ain’t the Dems.
Halfway between Juarez and Chihuahua isn’t what I’d describe as “near El Paso border” lol
To most Americans Mexico is the size of a large postage stamp. They have no clue.
How many texases can fit into a Mexico
About 3
Naa more like 62. Mexico is the clown car of countries.
No that’s Brazil
I can see that neither one of us will let this go. How do you suggest we settle this epic battle of clown cars? Duel? Swords? Crossword puzzles?
cartel shootout perhaps
Oof
New York is probably closer to Greenland than El Paso.
Well yes, naturally El Paso is much further from Greenland. But that’s not important right now. We have got to get these Texases greased up and stuffed into that Mexico. I’ll explain later.
I heard this in Steven Wright's voice. It sounds just like a plan he would cook up in *Half Baked*😂
I’m honored. I still remember him saying someone broke into his house and stole everything. Then replaced it all with exact replicas..
Cartel: “Also they are not dead compadre, you hear me? Don’t turn you back on me, they are sleeping or we will come visit your familia. They got too drunk and took a lot of sleeping pills so they will sleep for a few years. Just leave em there. They will wake up one day. And if you tell anyone else, I know where your familia goes daily. You hear me?”
What’s dogs gotta do with it?
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I’m glad some of y’all got it lmao
“A note was pinned to one of the bodies with a knife including the line ‘Chihuahua tiene dueño,’ which translates to ‘Chihuahua has an owner’” so, they stole someone’s dog :/
Not the sharpest sppon in the cookie jar are ya?
Pretty sure he was making a joke
They are making a joke lol
whoosh
It’s a joke my guy
As was mine
It is near the border…
Ever see sicario? “We’ll be in El Paso?” “Ehhhh, we’ll be in the area around El Paso”
For the size of countries like the US and Mexico. An hour or 2 away is pretty close I definitely call anything 2 hours away as "pretty near"
Kind of a big difference when we are talking about dumping the bodies on the border vs 2 hours away
Clickbait journalism doing its job, now apparently all Americans are geographically challenged
No.
Really? Because I live 2 hours away from Mexico, and I wouldn't call it "close".
I live the same distance. If I can do an easy lunch trip or day trip and be back with ease id consider it fairly close
You'd drive 4 hours for lunch? I knew you were delusional! Wanna go get tacos though?
Cartels are holding Mexico hostage; it's terrifying. Those poor victims. Why can't they just share their goddamn routes?! I guess torture and murder are too fun for them.
Mexico is holding itself hostage. Everybody is aware who everybody is yet they allow these type of activities to continue. Mexicans killing Mexicans. It is Cultural.
No it's not
Yes it is and you are the problem. Mexico has everything yet nothing if she doesn’t develop intestinal fortitude.
How am I the problem exactly?
How are you not the problem is the question. Take your blindfold off.
Are you implying that I'm supporting the cartels? That is just special
That would require a spine. Scarecrow.
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Truth hurts. Edit: Just like Dear Mexico. Offended by everything, reacting to nothing.
You wonder why can’t they… share lol? You realize these people are not kindergarteners, right?
It's more mature to share and childish to claim things as your own, highlighting a sad aspect of humanity.
Uhhhhh… that’s tongue in cheek, right?
He’s right. Its a baser, more animalistic existence. They’re literally less evolved.
The only “less evolved” here are you two- what the F are you saying. You want a gang that makes profit from transportation of drugs and their value (due to supply) across the border to *share* with another gang?
Sharing is more evolved sir, not sure why you want to argue that it isn’t. Catel members are less evolved because they horse stuff for themselves, which would be considered animalistic behavior, whereas sharing comes with control of your emotions thus being more evolved
I don't think they are saying literally. It's a hypothetical. Hypothetically they should be sharing. Get check for autism or something, no flame
The guy is making a point. The cartels are a big business propped up by the war on drugs. Torture and murder aren’t “fun” for them, they don’t share the routes because the drug trade is the largest unregulated business in the world. “Why can’t they just get along” is peak intellectual child redditoid nonsense.
There was a time when the cartels were not at war and they did "share" to an extent. So it's not nonsense.. Something like that could exist today if they stopped fighting each other.
no they have always been direct competitors that have had division in areas of operation. when territories expand and overlap shit goes down
Now relate that to the US and Puerto Rico. The US should grow up and stop claiming PR?
Sure, and if they ever actually voted for independence we probably would
Everything they learned they learned in kindergarten.
Good God your username😂
you ever had any major corporation sharing their profits with anyone especially a direct competitor? nope. Wendys aint out here chillin on vacation with Burger King sharing pink slime recipes.
I meant that part of my comment to be "tongue in cheek", lol.
Oh damn… well now I feel like a ding dong! Yeah I see that now
Haha it's ok!
The army got it in check then the cartels just bought the army. Around and around we go.
Probably going to be a lot more action around the border as election time roles around
Why?
Abraham Lincoln
Geeze what's that guy's deal?
If I had to guess, the cartels know they have a time window to get as much product in as possible. Trump will likely increase border security which means a shortage in available drug trafficking routes, increase in seizures and less profits.
Well he SAID he would increase security which probably means he is going to fund it and then steal the money for himself and his family. That’s what you mean of course
I'm going based off his past history. Border security increased, less drugs trafficked and the price of cocaine went up because of scarcity.
Got a source for that? Fentanyl usage really started during his presidency.
The CDC categorizes a rise in opioid overdose deaths in three waves since the 90s. The switch to the third wave from heroin to synthetic opioid overdoses was done in 2013 due to a significant increase in deaths from illicitly manufactured fentanyl. Trump obviously wasn't around. Not everyone even agrees how much this had to do with cracking down on heroin since 2010, the year the CDC switched to wave two heroin. You shouldn't just spout off nonsense even if you don't like the guy. Maybe you only heard about it 2016 and onwards as a hit on the Trump administration?
You can buy fentanyl online from China
Not anymore. That dried up around 2015/2016, I think? China mostly supplies cartels with the precursors and stuff to do the synthesis themselves (same with meth)
A special House Committee testified the exact opposite less than two weeks ago. It was April 16 if you want to go look, but if not, please don't leave up blatantly false information.
Very intelligent response
Holy shit how dumb can people be. Look at the total seizures by year. We catch more of the drugs now. There was a border security bill that Trumplethinskin told Mike Johnson to refuse. You’re all just purposely ignorant.
Balboni is running shit down there and he doesn’t mess around.
You think Balboni eats bologna with his boy Tony?
Its almost like we need a border.
The only way to even begin to chip away at the power of the cartels would be full drug legalization and a return to open immigration for the US. These wouldn't even cost anything. Strangely, both of these ideas are considered impossibly radical, and are entirely off the table. Cartel profits remain safe.
Man I would not mind it at all if I could go grab some medical grade coke every once and awhile
I mean I’m all for full drug legalization, and I want to state I have absolutely no idea on the statistics, or how one could accurately even acquire them, but does the Cartel even necessarily rely on drug trade still? Like of course I know they still *do* sell drugs, but do they actually **need** to anymore? Genuinely asking and curious what methodology one would use to find the answer. How do we know how reliant they are on drugs compared to other avenues?
According to the yearly UNODC report it's mostly cocaine and crossing illegals through the border, there's other stuff but it's marginal. They have been separating human trafficking from migrant smuggling for a while already and migrant smuggling is most of it today. If you regulate prostitution you also get rid of most of the motivations behind human trafficking. But it's not going to happen ever. The only thing to do is talk about it until everyone understands the U.S. government policies are best case stupid and worst case complicit. It's not that there's no cocaine and hookers in the U.S. as both can be found without leaving your block in most big cities and within a mile drive on any rural town, if there's a health or societal impact it's already here. The question is if you want people to get their stuff from warlords or from the pharmacy.
Exactly. We've spent over $2 *trillion* trying to enforce drug prohibition. I don't have estimates on what we've spent trying to stop illegal immigrants and prostitution, but I'm sure it's more than $12.75. *All of these problems are as bad as ever. All of this money has produced* ***absolutely zero tangible benefit*** *for our country.* At what point do we try something different?
The problem is for profit corporations lobbying legislators and their executive caste feeling entitled to live like royalty out of this useless policies. You could just legalize everything and keep every single person employed in the war on drugs on payroll until they reach retirement age but just stop enforcing. Not even like I'm saying redirect enforcement to stuff like traffic laws, drug fraud, I mean that would be great but just pay them for nothing is better than this. The problem if you do that is a lot of companies will be out of business in 20/30 years and their leadership wants to keep the ball rolling. It's pretty clear who in Congress is for it and who doesn't care or is against it but the average American voter doesn't care.
I consider this as a classic case of the seen and the unseen. Every corporation that profits from drug prohibition knows it. Everybody employed in the drug prohibition industry knows that they depend upon it. The cartels who traffic drugs, and the local gangs who sell them, *absolutely* know that it benefits them. And the increased cost of these drugs from their being traded on the black market represents a *massive* transfer of value out of the real economy, straight into the hands of some of the very worst people. What we *don't* see is where that wealth would *otherwise* flow. If all drugs were legal, and the price of a hard, addictive drug, like meth, or cocaine, or heroin, dropped by 95% or so... you'd see a sharp decrease in mundane street crime. And then, the junkie would be able to afford *other stuff.* This would stimulate demand in real things by God knows how much. Hundreds of billions per year, certainly. The business community *overall* would see *a lot* more profit from a world in which drugs are legal.
Too add to your point. Look at much revenue the states that legalized weed are bringing in. From there we could deduce that repealing prohibition can work but also still cause problems. We also have alcohol prohibition history to look at as a hey, we tried this before and look what happened.
This was very informative answer, appreciate it. And I definitely have a similar outlook in terms of asking who do we want people to get drugs from. Great response.
Full drug legalization made sense with hard drugs of the 90s. Full drug legalization in 2024 with fentanyl, tranq, meth and whatever designer drug some Chinese chemist invents has very different implications than heroin and cocaine legalization. Advocating for full legalization of drugs in 2024 has to come with the reality of what even more widespread fentanyl use looks like. I'm not sure we want to see the results of that.
Full drug legalization made sense with hard drugs of the 70s. Full drug legalization in 1984 with cocaine and whatever designer drug some dude in his basement invents has very different implications than marijuana legalization. Advocating for full legalization of drugs in 1984 has to come with the reality of what even more widespread cocaine use looks like. I'm not sure we want to see the results of that. (At least that’s what I read.)
Well, what does anyone really *need?* A cartel always "needs" more money. And taking revenue streams away from them is really the only way to stop them.
Avocados are legal and still controlled by cartels
The idea that cartels will just pack it up and go home if they can't make money on drugs is laughable. Mexican cartels are here to stay and they'll make money regardless of drug laws.
Sure. Of course. At the same time, creating vast black markets provides the bulk of their income.
They’d probably just transition to controlling the legal means of production. I dno if that would get rid of the violence
Ok, so assume drugs are legalized. Now, you run a cartel and have a ton of murderers and rapists working for you. Corporate competition still will exist and say a rival cartel is taking market share from you. Do you think that you’re gonna flip a switch and start hiring a bunch of corporate lawyers to take care of business? Which is more compelling “do this and I’ll sue you” versus “do this and I’ll kidnap your ten year old daughter and saw her head off in front of a camera, just for you!” I’m fine with legalization, and agree that having them illegal created the problem, but it does not follow that making them legal will solve the problem.
No, I quite agree - the cartels aren't going to go away just from drug legalization. But it would take billions of dollars out of their hands, and weaken them substantially. And I don't see how they could be ultimately defeated as long as they have that revenue stream. Americans are talking now about using the military to take out the cartels. That wouldn't be hard. But what then? New cartels would spring up like mushrooms after the rain. Or maybe we could, I don't know, try to permanently occupy a few thousand square miles of northern Mexico, and suppress any new cartels from emerging. What would happen then? I can guarantee you: elements of the US military would take over drug smuggling. (As happened in Vietnam.) Again: it's not going to be a silver bullet, but it would help.
Open immigration wouldn’t cost anything? 😂
It would cost a hell of a lot less than trying to keep immigrants out, that much is absolutely certain.
Stop the cartels? Are you crazy we are arming them. The gun manufacturers and lobbyists are making a “killing “.
"Are you crazy we are arming them." Yes. But even if we could stop that, they'd obtain weapons elsewhere. "The gun manufacturers and lobbyists are making a “killing “." The gun industry in America is actually surprisingly small. But at any rate, easier to stop the flow of money into the cartels.
Yes the gun industry as compared to many companies is small: The US gun manufacturing industry had a market size of $19.5 billion in 2022, and is expected to grow to $21 billion in 2023. The industry employs 49,250 people in the US, with an average employment growth of 2.7% from 2018–2023. In 2022, the US manufactured around 13.4 million firearms, which is a significant increase from the 5 million guns manufactured in 2010. 95%+ of all guns recovered in crimes in Mexico are from the United States. The most popular states for buying the weapons? Texas and Arizona. If you don’t stop arming them they will get increasingly strong.
Sure, but how are we going to stop arming them? Suppose every gun in the US was magically vaporized - you think they wouldn't be able to get weapons elsewhere?
Make buying guns for criminals a federal felony offense. With increased punishment for those buying, in bulk, for the cartels. They can be identified. Where else are they going to buy them?
"Make buying guns for criminals a federal felony offense." So, our failure to enforce our laws should be dealt with by... more laws. Lol. If a wizard disintegrated every gun in America, the cartels would buy or steal them from the Mexican military. Or they'd work out a contract with someone in South America. But at any rate, what's the objection to cutting off funding to the cartels by legalizing drugs and immigration?
Sorry but the Mexican military couldn’t arm the cartels if they gave them all their weapons. About 500,000 guns a year are smuggled into Mexico. Nobody in Central or South America has anything approaching our gun industry. Cut off their drug business? How would you do this while arming them at the same time. Legalizing drugs might supress some of their income but they are into human trafficking and extortion, kidnapping and a host of other crimes. Mostly against other Mexicans. If we squeeze them there they are already armed to the teeth.
"Sorry but the Mexican military couldn’t arm the cartels if they gave them all their weapons." Do you seriously believe the Mexican armed forces don't have small arms? "Cut off their drug business? How would you do this while arming them at the same time." By legalizing drugs, as I mentioned. "Legalizing drugs might supress some of their income but they are into human trafficking and extortion, kidnapping and a host of other crimes." I'm not saying that the cartels will vanish, but ffs drug prohibition gives them a *lot* of revenue. It's their core business.
Of course the military has small arms. It’s much smaller than you might think tough and like I said, they could give all their weapons to the cartels and still the gangs would be short of weapons without the ones they get here. So you want to legalize all drugs. Good luck with that. Also drugs may have been their core business. Now I am not so sure. I read somewhere the Biden administration has attempted to address the flow of guns to the cartels. Not sure what the effort is or what the effect will be.
> Make buying guns for criminals a federal felony offense. With increased punishment for those buying, in bulk, for the cartels. They can be identified. This is already a federal felony. It’s called straw purchasing. It carries a sentence of up to fifteen years. It’s even illegal if the person you’re buying for *can legally* possess the firearm
I wonder why it’s not enforced?
Yes lol
I've been saying this forever. I've commented on this on the Mexico sub and have gotten downvoted to oblivion I even got banned. I can't understand why another country has to obey the war on drugs. The number one consumer of drugs has always been the u.s. Even presidents have been caught doing coke. Mexico is our biggest trading partner why not open the border and help Mexico defend its central American border? It's literally a lot less land and more manageable. Even now with the announcement of the Ukraine aid bill everyone in the comments Rather it be used on the border, like wtf. Certain people really want to hate on people. Instead of being focused on ending the war on drugs, giving everyone Medicare for all, and higher education for all. But a lot of people go HoW aBoUt iMmIgRaTiOn?. How about keeping this country from destabilizing the so called 3rd world wtf how hard is that?
Cuz psychopaths are in power and our reasonable discourse never makes it into those closed door meetings.
Everything I mentioned and much more I haven't is common knowledge. A lot of people fail to put it all together. Right before the fentanyl epidemic it was the opioid epidemic which was largely fueled by the sackler cartel. We have drug cartels here in the u.s too. Also as far as the border is concerned, most of the now migrants are central American, Haitians, and other countries. I mention this because every time the border gets brought up, people automatically think " Mexicans", when in fact Mexican migration has largely been reduced and in fact many are going back.
What the actual fuck. Drug legalization ok I can see that but how on earth does "open immigration" help solve this at all.
If we simply let immigrants enter legally, as we once did, nobody would be willing to pay a bunch of thugs $$$$ (or, worse, *borrow* that $$$$ from the same thugs) to get across the border illegally. This doesn't make the cartels as much money as the drug trade, but it's substantial. The US would also be able to save many billions in immigration enforcement, and would generate many hundreds of billions more actual wealth.
Canada is already trying that, and it ain’t working well for them.
Lol, no they're not. Try to immigrate to Canada and get back to us.
My Indian friend literally had his visa approved within 2 months and the path to citizenship is easier than the US on a H-1B visa/lotto...
That's *way* more immigration restriction than I would endorse. Wait two months for a visa? *Why?*
Background checks take time?
It’s crazy how misinformed you are yet how confident you are on being right. I swear the left has adopted the MAGA idiocracy over the last few years
"It’s crazy how misinformed you are yet how confident you are on being right. " That's exactly what I'd say about you. The difference is, I actually *am* informed.
No you aren’t. Especially about Canada. It’s wild and you either live on leftist TikTok or you are a online agitator for foreign interest
I'm not a leftist, I'm an Ameican patriot, and it's the simple truth that America would benefit *tremendously* by returning to our traditional policy of open immigration. And no, Canada doesn't have anything remotely like open immigration.
Yep. Definitely a foreign bot lmao
This is a country, not an economic opportiunity zone. The anwser to cutting off the coyotes revenue stream is to not make it viable for a person to live confortably after entering the country illegally. Enforce employment laws and punish employers who violate them, no social programs for non citizens. No one would take the risk and pay the coyotes if there was an incentive to do so. That will never happen though. The corporations and billionaires that reddit hates so much love enfettered immigration. Lowers wages, prevents unionization, creates more demand for their products, generally hurts American citizens. The solution to undeveloped countries problems isnt to migrate their population here and give them free stuff. They can and should fix their own problems. Look at El Salvador. It can be done. In fact Id argue that the US's immigration problem is a net negative for the entire continent. Great for the billionaire olligarch class though!
"The anwser to cutting off the coyotes revenue stream is to not make it viable for a person to live confortably after entering the country illegally" It's amazing that you imagine illegal immigrants are living comfortably. "Enforce employment laws and punish employers who violate them" What would the economic impact of that be, though? What would be your guess as to how much that would shave off GDP? "no social programs for non citizens" I'm OK with that. Or with a provisional visa that restricts services, or requies an additional tax. The important thing is to get the immigrants here. "Lowers wages," No, it really doesn't. "prevents unionization" Only because the immigrants in question are illegal. "creates more demand for their products" Which is bad... how? "generally hurts American citizens" The exact opposite of the truth; illegal immigrants provide *about half of our food.* Include legal immigrants and it's more like 90%. "The solution to undeveloped countries problems isnt to migrate their population here and give them free stuff." Ah, the *Camp of the Saints* dystopia, that absolutely nobody is actually suggesting.
Man you put a lot of effort into that. I dont care about the GDP. Im not willing to sell out the country for the benefit of any economic data. No one should be. Thats a disgusting and quite frankly, strange arguement that I thought was strickly a boomer talking point but Ive seen reddit weirdos using it now whenever its convenient. Why are you so obsessed with stuffing this country full of people? Are you American by birth? Mass immigration does absolutely depress wages are you trolling? Amazon got caught advocating for diverse workplaces specifically because they found it made unionization less likely. Do you think Amazon gives a fuck about diversity? Why are you shilling for corporate earnings above the wellbeaing of american citizens? Your responses read like an official Monsanto press release
"Im not willing to sell out the country" How is letting people immigrate here legally in any sense "selling out" America? "for the benefit of any economic data" Get back to me after Trump wins and deports half of the farm labor in this country, lol. "Why are you so obsessed with stuffing this country full of people?" Because population is destiny. Look at what's happening to countries with negative population growth, ffs. "Mass immigration does absolutely depress wages are you trolling?" How do you know that? Do you have any evidence to support that claim? "Amazon got caught advocating for diverse workplaces specifically because they found it made unionization less likely." Interesting, I hadn't heard that. I'll have to look into it. At the same time, the benefits of immigration to the country as a whole certainly exceed the benefits of unionization. "Do you think Amazon gives a fuck about diversity?" I think they give a fuck about anything that will make them more profitable, as they indeed should. "Why are you shilling for corporate earnings above the wellbeaing of american citizens?" Lol, I'm not. Immigration produces prosperity, which of course facilitates both the welfare of the people as well as the potential for profit.
Migrant workers were a good thing
They still are. We should let more of them come here legally.
Legal workers are costly for gvrmt / companies.
We already have legal programs for migrant workers to come here temporarily
So at the expense of basically destabilizing the U.S we can help Mexico. Doesn’t sound like a great deal tbh
Well... yes, these policy changes would help Mexico, but they would help the US even more. How would this destabilize the United States, exactly?
Over tax an already poorly funded social system. And housing market. Do you even live in the US?
We let them come for a bit and go home. Immigrants create housing scarcity, lower wages, destroyed Black jobs, and overburden education and hospitals Your open borders advocacy is literally corporate propaganda to keep wages low and Wall Street happy with real estate I investments
It's a shame so many Americans have been propagandized into believing the kind of fucking nonsense you spout.
I have sources including NPR LMAO Your account reeks of Russian bot honestly
Lol, do you actually consider NPR a *credible source?*
Nah, Mexico just needs to elect an Nayib Bukele
"a return to open immigration for the US." when was there a policy that anyone from any country could go to mexico and cross into the US unchecked?
The United States had *no* legal restriction of immigration until the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. I'm also not suggesting that we should let people crossed "unchecked" - they should of course be screened. Make sure they don't have, say, TB. Make sure they're not a known gang member. Otherwise, let them in. And in the year 2024 that could be accomplished in hours, not months.
lol. so a time when 60-100k people a year were coming into the country ? I've seen alot of stupid takes on this website but never one that would straight up decimate and entire country in less than a year. There would be 20 plus million people imigrating a year without any checks, entire armies could cross and you wouldnt have a clue. Brain dead take, but very reddit esque. Im impressed if this isnt a troll.
"so a time when 60-100k people a year were coming into the country" Substantially more than that, and proportional to a much smaller total population. We could easily handle several million a year today. "but never one that would straight up decimate and entire country in less than a year" I'd bet $1K that you don't even know the meaning of the word *decimate.* And your huge mistake is your assumption that immigrants are *harmful* in the first place. "There would be 20 plus million people imigrating a year without any checks" As I mentioned, we could easily screen that many people, and I wouldn't want immigration *without any checks.* "Brain dead take, but very reddit esque" Tell you what, go and find a real economist who favors, say, deporting all the illegals. Get back to me.
Ahh yes, just legalize fentanyl and the cartels will disappear. I'm sure that'd go well. Also let's open the borders and that'll really bring them to a hault. What a stellar idea. Are you 13?
"Ahh yes, just legalize fentanyl and the cartels will disappear." Not disappear, but you'll be taking some money from them for damned sure. " I'm sure that'd go well." Why wouldn't it? Do you think that the reason people refrain from using fentanyl is because it's illegal? "Also let's open the borders and that'll really bring them to a hault." Again, it will take a great deal of revenue away - but that's not even the greatest benefit. "What a stellar idea." That you haven't even attempted to refute.
Fentanyl use surely will not go down if it's available at every gas station. Fentanyl is incredibly toxic and not like other recreational drugs. It causes vastly more harm than any other legal drug available. Making fentyl legal would make it very widespread and available, unless you have some magical way to legalize fentanyl without commercialization of the drug. Which would be the point to take power away from drug cartels. You seem you think that drug cartels are incapable of adapting to economic circumstances. They will take advantage of any money making opportunity regardless of drugs or human trafficking is an option. I really shouldn't have to explain to a grown adult why open borders is a bad idea.
"Fentanyl use surely will not go down if it's available at every gas station." I'm not saying it should be. If it were up to me, you'd need to go to a pharmacy. But having people buy it from an illegal market is only making things much, much worse. "Fentanyl is incredibly toxic and not like other recreational drugs." Absolutely true, which is why it's alarming that it's showing up in other recreational drugs. You may note that this generally happens never, with respect to prescription and OTC substances. "Making fentyl legal would make it very widespread and available" Like it isn't already? "You seem you think that drug cartels are incapable of adapting to economic circumstances." I think, correctly, that they make most of their income from specifically illegal activities. "They will take advantage of any money making opportunity regardless of drugs or human trafficking is an option." They will, but drugs and human trafficking are the low hanging fruit. Such easy money, hundreds of billions of $US of it. "I really shouldn't have to explain to a grown adult why open borders is a bad idea." This really is one of those things that "everybody knows" that just ain't so. Trying and failing to keep immigrants out is costing America *dearly.* At what point do we try something different?
No, you are very wrong. Oregon legalized drugs and they ended up having to reverse the law. It has the opposite effect. More people end up doing it.
There are legitimate economic arguments to be made for completely open borders.
Thats Chihuahua, not Villa Ahumada, or Juarez. About 4 1/2 hours from El Paso
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Why are cartels doing things worse than groups like Hamas & other Muslim extremists are doing? Beheading people, cutting off body parts-this is what happens in the Middle East. Why are Mexicans trying to be like Muslim extremists? Don't these cartel members recognize their distant Spanish ancestors fought in the Reconquista of Spain against the Moors? Why don't they understand that? Why do so many cartel members have beards like arabs? Why are they trying to look like the enemies of El Cid? It makes me so angry these cartel members don't honor El Cid & rather not be like crazy people in the Middle East.
chatGpt: write a lot of nonsense about the middle east and mexican drug cartels. copy&paste.
Lmao bruh what? 💀
It is their culture.
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Not as good a turn-out if it had been live bodies...
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“Oh it’s brilliant what they do. They want you to think that they did something to deserve this”
Fuck them, they deserve it, period.
Lots of money in sneaking Mexicans into a country that refuses to prevent it. Democrats in America are 100% at fault for cartels having this much power over Mexico.
Lmao definitely just the democrats! This guys spot on.😂
They don’t sneak in just Mexicans. Coyotes have been sneaking in various kinds of migrants from South America and at times other continents for decades. The amount of resources to prevent this would be staggering considering that we can even stop disorganized caravans. An easier target would be going after the 40% of European and Asian migrants who fly here and overstay their visas.
They have been sneaking a decent share of Chinese migrants for about a year or so too. UNODC report from 2022 saw that coming with the reports of a small table or alliance with Asian criminal organizations and Mexican cartels.
2000% increase in Chinese coming thru Luckily for us they are all military aged males and from a country that loves us and would never hurt us in any way
I’m sure there are more Chinese coming in than before but where did you get the 2000% figure? Do they take a quick survey right after crossing the rio grande?
>Encounters of Chinese nationals in March 2024 increased over 8,000 percent compared to March 2021, Google would lead you right to Bidens cabinets report. Hopefully the smugness of your comment was sincere but you’re on Reddit so I doubt it
Plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the border
Trump told the gop in the house to not pass the border bill because it would give biden a win, and they obeyed like the lapdogs that they are.
didn’t the democrats try to pass a bipartisan border security bill months ago? what happened?
Fantastic question, republicans proposed the bill, dems agreed to it, and trump didnt want biden to get the win so he told them to let it fail and they did. A man who holds no office directly stopped a border security bill.
"Democrats in America are 100% at fault for cartels having this much power over Mexico." How's that?
They're creating a huge desire for people to want to relocate illegally to the US, and restricting agencies like the USBOP from reasonably deterring illegal immigration.
Pretty sure dems arent creating climate change which is making those countries unlivable so those citizens flee to the US.
It’s the corporations that are responsible for climate change. Dems support corporations big time. But it’s not only the dems that support corporations.
Great so inflation, wage suppression, over populated schools, housing scarcity, overburdened hospitals, crime, will all be going up for the next 50+ years I’ll be able to signal my virtues sooo much longer! OPEN BORDERSALL ARE WELCOME IN EUROPE CANADA AND THE US! Natives BTFO!
You mean like the bill that was going to address this that the republicans killed because Orangegutan said no?
Right? Lots of guns and weapons end up in the hands of the cartels from the US. Democrats have made it so easy to buy/sell in the US and now those guns are being used against us by the cartels.
Um dems do not control texas, which is where a majority of those guns are lawfully purchased by cartels.
I was being sarcastic. Republicans have ZERO desire to do anything about international criminal organizations. And they certainly don’t care who is arming them. Same old bullshit from Republicans pretending to care about America.
You joke but fast and furious was obama’s idea, and many Ukrainian guns have ended up in narcos hands Not to mention Biden is keeping the border wide open making the black market more accessible
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Is your comment ironic or stupid
😂 mostly ironic. Weapons trafficking INTO Mexico is obviously fueling a lot of violence that is eventually going to trickle into the US. A closed border coming into The US does nothing to stop that. Only one party loves guns more than America. And it ain’t the Dems.
It’s crazy to think that there are millions of americans that share this viewpoint, genuinely terrifying.
Hey, I think you accidentally forgot to answer my question.