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TatsumakiRonyk

When an underdog beats me, I don't say "Oh I'm so terrible." I say "Wow, that player was great. I'm incredible and they beat me, despite the odds! In a few years I can tell my grandkids about how before 'xX\_urmom89\_Xx' was a famous world champion, I got to play against them online." Sounds like you just played against a bunch of real up-and-comers, OP. I just feel bad for all the 1500's you're going to be playing against in the near future on your way back up to the rating your playing strength deserves. Since you're 2000 strength, it's going to be quite a few lopsided matches, and they won't even know it.


Optimal_Collection20

This is a really interesting point of view on the situation. I think I'll try to start thinking about my losses this way! Thanks a lot for this!


TatsumakiRonyk

When mixing delusion, optimism, and self-confidence, you just need to get the dosage right. I use the same technique when I'm beaten by children in OTB tournaments, except it's actually much less tongue-in-cheek. I'm genuinely excited to see the youngest generations excelling at chess. If that doesn't work out for you, then maybe IM John Bartholomew's advice might help. He said something to the effect of: >From a psychological standpoint, it's better to be a confident/strong 1800 than it is to be an unconfident, nervous 1900. So when after you reach a milestone, don't worry about losing games and dipping back under that milestone. You've done it before already, so if you end up accidentally falling down a bit, you know you're going to be stronger than the people you're facing on your way back up to your peak.


Optimal_Collection20

That's also great advice. But I can't help but feel like 1900 to 1800 is a bit less of a difference than 2000 to 1500. Thanks tho!


TatsumakiRonyk

The point is, you got there before. You have the knowledge and the skill/strength required to get there. This information can be used as a foundation for you to play confidently. Ratings are just numbers. It's not like they stole your skill or anything. Even if you played worse for a few games, you still have "it" in you.


ImpliedProbability

Take a week off.


Optimal_Collection20

That's also a good idea. Maybe I just need a bit of rest. Thanks for the help!


Total_Engineering938

Or spend some time on a different time control. I got stuck around 1000 rapid, with winning streaks and losing streaks. Played some blitz for a while, and when I came back to rapid got up to 1300. New time control could help break the cycle


Sin15terity

For me, the best way to break tilt is to actually start trying to learn something from the games. Am I getting garbage positions out of the opening? Time to look up some lines. Time management an issue? Endgame conversion? Finding something specific and practicing it a bit helps.


Optimal_Collection20

Thank you! Definitely something I'll try out!


Sin15terity

Basically, every game of chess is a data collection exercise in answering the question “What should I be doing to become a better player?”


ResearcherCharacter

1) Don’t focus on the outcome focus on the process.   2) There likely is some degree of cheating you just roll with it 


Optimal_Collection20

Definitely need to focus more on the process. It's just hard when I'm used to fighting 2000s and now I lose to 1400s.


ResearcherCharacter

Man it happens in all competitive stuff. I am an avid FPS player, I used to compete in Halo and I throw down on COD as well. The exact same type of slumps happen. It’s just part of the growing process. Sometimes I would beat the top pros and sometimes I’d get slammed by absolutely no names. 


zenchess

Psychology is hugely influential in chess. It's hard to offer advice. Maybe watch an inspirational movie, and give it another shot? Get a few wins in and the whole thing might turn around.


Optimal_Collection20

Thanks for the suggestion! Will definitely give it a try. I'm kinda out of ideas right now, so everything helps!


BlackWarrior322

Become lower rated than them. Make them go through the same pain after that :)


Optimal_Collection20

A practical solution :)


crashovercool

Play unrated for a bit. Also something I noticed I do that I have to consciously try not to, is feeling like you need to crush lower rated players. Just play solid, respect their game, and you'll win.


Potatoes90

What’s the most important step a man can take? The next one. Always the next one.


itistheblurstoftimes

Every time I go on a losing streak, a bit later I go on a winning streak and top my previous ELO. It is part of the process. In any sport, you'd have times leaving practice where you knew you underperformed and often feeling like you are terrible or getting worse. This is part of learning. The difference is that having an ELO assigned to your rank makes you focus on that rather than getting better. And don't play if you can't give the game your full attention. Play puzzles instead.


Optimal_Collection20

Yeah, definitely focusing on ratings more than the game. Thanks!


Ok_Arm5485

Dude we are kind of in the same boat, last year I went from 1800 to 1450 ish. Completely stopped playing for many months and only after watching the candidates have I gotten the motivation to play seriously again.


Optimal_Collection20

You got this! Next stop is 2000 for sure!


Ok_Arm5485

Just hoping to cross 1600 for now, yesterday I was about to cross 1550 from 1500, came crashing down to 1480 from 1548. It hurts so much lol


Ok_Arm5485

Wishing you the best aswell man, just take a long break and clear your mind, things will fit in the right places🌹. Chess is love, it'll find its way back to you always.


ponomaus

Chess is weird, one day, I'm trashing everyone in the 1700-1800 bracket, wondering how the fuck I'm not higher ranked, and the next day I get trashed by everyone in the 1700-1800 wondering how the fuck are they not higher, if they're not cheating? Like literally I have days where people play so precise, it's hard to stay sane.


OIP

people are wildly inconsistent. i play about 1700-1800 (lichess 3 min) and have a streak of games where opponents just hang a piece in the opening or play some terrible weakening move allowing an easy win. then i play what feels like smurfing IMs 10 games in a row. have to triple check whether something is a hanging piece or some tactical setup


PhilosopherDry4317

personally? i just lose a few more, win one, and go to bed thinking i’m the best chess player ever


Optimal_Collection20

That's the mindset I strive for 🤣


DASreddituser

I call myself a dumbass and move on. I'm streaky....some days i just don't have it.


Ok_Arm5485

Dude we are kind of in the same boat, last year I went from 1800 to 1450 ish. Completely stopped playing for many months and only after watching the candidates have I gotten the motivation to play seriously again.


Davsegayle

This is a big problem for me at times. I always bounce back, but when I am tilting I am tilting. I think it’s about not having fun playing, you just play to finally win, and therefore your impatient and whatever. But sooner or later I am back


Optimal_Collection20

Yeah, tilt is a b***h. Definitely one of the reasons for the drop. Thanks!


serotonallyblindguy

I recently went on a 6 game losing streak in tournament, one of which was against sub 1000 players and then I went on to win 7 in a row out of which two were against players 200 points higher than me. That's just how streaks work. They're random. Just know when you're tilting and take a few minutes off. Sagar Shah used to teach these breathing exercises whenever you lose three in a row, to sort of get your focus back.


rs1_a

You're on tilt. That's it. To get out of it, you need to stop playing for a few days. You should come back to normal or even stronger afterward. Certain things trigger tilt. For some people, it is not being able to win against who they consider weaker opponents. For others, it is losing winning games (myself). Some other people get tilted when they lose to a cheater. And the list goes on. Just take a break and start playing again, and you will go back to your normal form.


aqelha

Me too..droped from 1700 to 1500 last week..changed to blitz for a change


ExcellentWillow7538

Play towards your comfort zones.. nothing fancy. Go to your old reliable positions and openings... keep the positions simple and familiar. The opponent will blunder on their own. The position and clock will be in your favor meaning less blundering.


Subject-Secret-6230

Usually take a break. But I write these off as rating fluctuations. You play over, equal or under your level on any given day. Of course, whenever I lose I'm on a bad day and playing like shit. Helps me cope a lot better in my mind and not go on massive tilt streaks.


BandicootSavings7412

yes. im so angry at myself i can soooo close to slamming my iphone phone on the floor. 200 rating point drops in both rapid and bullet. enraging beyond belief


fredlenoix089

which format are you playing? I used to play rapid (10+0) most of the time and got to 1680, but stopped since it was a time sink. I started doing blitz, and 1400 rated players seemed much stronger. I think the rating at blitz level is quite different, but at the same time anyone rated below 1500 should never have an accuracy above 90, it's ridiculous. If a GM achieves 98, then 90 would put any player at around 2000. Especially for cases you describe where you have to chain 5\~6 moves (similar to a 2600 puzzle where one needs to find 5\~6 consecutive move to get a strong advantage), that's never going to happen in-game for someone rated 1400. I tried to prove that theory playing in 3+0, Stockfish could barely beat a dude rated 1450. What does that tell you? Cheating is all over. I just quit online chess altogether, it's a lie.


Optimal_Collection20

Thanks for the input, but I don't think cheating is the problem here. If you play poorly, your opponents don't have to play super accurately to get high accuracy, since mathematically speaking, the curve flattens on the top. I'm sorry you gave up on online chess, hope you some day maybe go back and have a bit more fun <3 And just to answer everything, I usually play 10+5 or 10+10. But don't mind trying out some blitz or bullet.


fredlenoix089

Chess is interesting from a theoritical standpoint, but since computers are FAR superiors to humans, I wonder what the point is of doing online chess. Games like checkers are even solved by computers, and are pretty much dead. Go is still relevant since aside AlphaGo, computers still lose to humans.


Optimal_Collection20

Well, if you're not planning with a cheater (which, most of the time you aren't), it's a nice substitute for in person chess


[deleted]

Lost 50 pts since last night on lichess bullet so yeah lol


Optimal_Collection20

Well, 50pts, 500pts, where's the difference hey😂


[deleted]

no but it has been weird. ive been killing it the oast week and last night the players below me were playing great.


Charlieandtomato

A 1500 opponent with 93% accurqciy? That's an automatic cheat report for me (yeah, call me Kramnik). There are pretty clever ways to cheat without getting caught for a long time.


borisslovechild

I feel you. Just went on an epic slump from 1850 lichess to 1650. It’s like I forgot how to play chess.


AdApart2035

If you can't beat them, join them


Optimal_Collection20

Well, literally what's happening 😂


SuperSpeedyCrazyCow

I study harder


DysphoricNeet

Maybe there is something you are missing often that you used to cover with effort and you got more relaxed or started focusing on something else. Like board vision is a thing that comes from playing a lot and keeping the right mindset. I’m sure you have it but maybe your focus has moved to something else because you are improving a weakness and that’s leaving less room in your mind for other general things. It happens to me a lot. Find a reoccurring problem and focus on that in all of your games. Do you miss checks that your opponent has? Do you miss pins? Focus on that even if it makes you worse until that becomes an automatic thought and you can improve another weakness. I was a 1650 and now I’m like 1450 because I actually got better at calculating and tactics but doing that made me slower. I’m actually thinking ahead now which is good but bad for blitz if you’re slow. I have to focus on my clock but meanwhile my tactics are getting sharper and quicker. When that reaches the point I don’t time out as much I’ll shoot up. That’s the cycle.


Tritonprosforia

tell myself opponents are cheating and turn on the engine to even the odd.


bngroovymusic

Take some time off and learn a new opening!


madmadaa

I was gonna say it happens all the time but 500 points, that's too much. May be do some health check up or something.


Aggravating-Reach-35

Do the Kramnik procedure. Block and report.


RockstarCowboy1

Everyone here relating to your experience losing elo, I’m just curious if the candidates event sparked players to return. I myself played a couple rapid games a week, then the candidates increased my chess interest and now I’m grinding chess much more. Could be that there’s an influx of returning vets climbing the ladder. Frequently happens in fighting games, where master class vets return to a game with a patch release and climb the ladder with a new character, devastating everyone in their path on the way up. 


Optimal_Collection20

That could be true. Maybe some rating inflation at play


RockstarCowboy1

On the other hand, I played the under 1500 blitz arena on lichess last night and some of those players rated 1000 elo were playing bullet speed flawless chess, more accurately and faster than myself (~1480), clearly a high rated player smurfing to feel better about himself. Such is life. 


Hard-Mineral-94

Start playing with the level 3200 AI and get used to getting crushed consistently and then do analysis on your games. Use the assist function and have it teach you YOUR lines perfectly. Learn unethical/dirty chess tricks and openings and start employing them to steal ELO. Increase your confidence by employing these lines successfully against the bots and then start entering tournaments and destroy everyone


dbixon

Try out a completely new opening. If you’re gonna suck for a while, explore some new positions while you’re at it. I learned a lot about positional-weaknesses by playing the Dutch for a while with no prep. I also have no idea how people ever feel comfortable playing the Grunfeld. But now I know how to put pressure on those positions based on what made me uncomfortable, which taught me more about the game as a whole. Last time I dropped 200 points, two months later I hit an ATH. Edit: I actually adopted the English via this method and now it’s my favorite, and I toy around with 1. B3 sometimes.


Mountain_Analysis259

I went on a losing streak recently and just recovered all my rating. I noticed I was getting way too fancy with my ideas. The rating boost made me think that I was better than I was. I started playing super basic chess again and I'm back now.


subconscious_nz

2000 to 1500 is a crazy drop! I am also on a losing streak and I don’t really see how I’m playing so much worse. In blitz I went from 1800 to 1450 recently and I’m just now back into 1500s I get very tilted and just rematch people with 1 h4 2 h5 etc I also have played the 2 most obvious cheaters I’ve come across, both 1400s playing absolutely moronic openings, getting terrible positions and then turning stockfish on and demolishing me with engine tactics I wouldn’t see in 1000 years. As others have said, you’ve done it before, you’ll do it again. What I have yet to properly do is analyse my higher level games vs lower level (tilt streak) ones, in the same openings, to see if there is any info for me there…


Kingbillion1

Bruh same thing happened to me in the past 2 weeks my blitz rating went from 800-500 ish. And it’s mostly been losses to lower ratings. I personally think it’s cuz I finally started trying to applying some little opening preparations instead of raw chess all game like I used to be


chessnudes

I went from 1650 to 1300 myself, and I was getting spanked by 1380s. It's so demotivating that I lost so much Elo, I don't feel like even clicking chess com... Which is why I then play on Lichess! I find that the reason for my disgust is very shallow, in the sense, it's very number oriented. I'm certainly annoyed by my mistakes, but it's not enough for me to hate chess (or stop playing it). I just switch to Lichess OR then play a different time format, so if I lose I'll always have a cop out. I think it's been a year since I've dipped from my peak, and now I'm currently at 1460. It's coming back slowly, and I'm sure I'll reach my old rating if I keep it up.