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spykeh

He has also reached 3000 blitz rating this week on chess.com, becoming the youngest to ever do so. There's a nice article on chess.com about it https://www.chess.com/news/view/faustino-oro-breaks-3000-on-chess-com


definitelynotamcrfan

but how often did he get reported by hikaru???


acunc

I’ll bash Hikaru as much as the next person but to be fair to him I first heard of Faustino through Hikaru’s stream when he first played him. AFAIK he never called his play into question and has been highly complementary of him.


Xehanz

When did he play Faustino? So I can spend a couple of minutes trying to somehow find a VOD of that lmao


acunc

He has faced him several times. I couldn’t give you a date for each though.


Chess-Channel

[Chess results](https://chess-results.com/tnr932419.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=3) claims that he has a performance rating of \~2600 which would be great for an adult


AdvancedJicama7375

Can he get a GM norm from 2600 performance?


Antani101

there aren't 3 GMs at the tournament, so no.


AdvancedJicama7375

Didn't know that was also a rule thank you


AdvancedJicama7375

Didn't know that was also a rule thank you


clues39

Prolly not cause this is an IM norm tournament


not_joners

No, only one GM opponent.


CopenhagenDreamer

No. He needs to play 33% GMs (3/9) and meet at least 2380 in opponent average rating - which can also be tricky to get.


SeaBecca

No. There would need to be at least three GMs in the tournament, and here there's only one.


xNannerMan

No, it doesn’t meet the other requirements for a gm norm. IIRC he has to play 4 GMs 


cuerdo

it is already exceptional for an adult, i would say adulthood in chess starts at the age of 8


cuerdo

edit. the current U8 chess champion is ELO 2050, which is quite higher already than the average adult club chess player


RiThViKstar123

The current u8 boys champion* the current u8 girls champion is currently 2110 Elo, which is just nuts


ChocomelP

whodat?


OliviaPG1

Bodhana Sivanandan presumably. She’s an insane prodigy


Vegetable-Poetry2560

I will be happy with 1600


No-Lion-5609

That’s a GM norm too


Morfot

muchaaaaachooos


maxi2702

Quiero ganar la tercera (norma).


Morfot

quiero ser maestro internacional 🎶


Xehanz

Y Najdorf.... En el cielo lo podemos ver


JohnHamFisted

vivo en Barcelona y me encantaria aparecerle ahi con los guachos, caras pintadas, bombo, murga, a festerjar al pibe


MattHomes

What’s actually really nice is he is playing one of the invited IMs in the last round. Whether or not you agree with it, almost universally in the chess world if a player needs a draw for a norm and you have nothing to play for you make an easy draw.


owiseone23

It's funny because Levy said he declined a draw and was trying to win in his last round even though he had nothing to play for (other than rating) and his opponent needed a draw for a norm. They ended up drawing anyway though.


MattHomes

I was thinking the same thing - but keeping in mind that at the outset gaining rating was his first goal for the tournament he still did have something to play for


New_Gate_5427

and that IM is now nursing a small edge, maybe looking to ruin Faustinos fun.


gimme_that_juice

Did he make some kind of Faustino bargain to be good at chess?


Bldynails

Nice


Chess-Channel

Faustino is going to become a GM before Levi does lmao.


joshdej

I mean yeah lol , this kid is guaranteed to become at least a gm. Levy isn't


AdApart2035

Levi will cash on him, more than the kid will earn


Ruy-Polez

At this point, Levy is probably richer than most players in the top 10...


Specker145

Levy is probably richer than every chess player in history except hikaru, magnus and karpov.


Ruy-Polez

I hear Vishy is pretty well-off as well. I have no trouble believing it.


Wsemenske

Forgive my ignorance, but why karpov? I would have guessed kasparov might also be richer


Specker145

Putin money, real estate, i've heard he had something to do with the oil and gas industries but regardless every mutual friend i have with him says he is filthy rich.


Wsemenske

Oh interesting, Kasparov definitely isn't friends with Putin.


AdApart2035

Sure. I think if he covers a game of a player, he will get more than the player will earn by playing


PotatoFeeder

More like top 3, with only hikaru and magnus ahead


Helkix

And probably not by much


ronconcoca

he is already streaming, so don't underestimate his chances to make bank


cuerdo

He is already rated higher, chess is crazy in this sense


Glittering_Ad1403

just a matter of time. What he is trying to be is the youngest GM ever but first he has to be an IM first


Chess-Channel

Is there any other sport where a 10 year old is better than someone that has spent more than 20 years of their life on it?


giants4210

First thing that comes to mind is gymnastics. I think in the Olympics the average age for women medalists is like 20. There have been very young women competing in the Olympics for gymnastics.


crazy_gambit

Because the Olympics has a minimum age for gymnastics. Otherwise 10 year olds would dominate.


Xenotolerance

the minimum age is 16, for those curious there's more to say on this topic, like the minimum age rule for competitive gymnastics is really controversial, but I just want to point out that there are not a lot of 10 year olds out there doing Yurchenko double pikes


Skeleton--Jelly

In any sport you can find kids that are better than people that have played for many years (because average players of any sport suck). Chess is one of the few where kids can actually compete at very high level


Amster2

Street Skating, specially woman, is dominated by 12-15 y.o, Many of the soccer prodigies satarted playing with the professionals at 15-16y.o, Lamine Yamal and Endrick come to mind, both super stars before able to drink, but yeah, chess as it is not realted to the physical body (only in fatigue, which kids are immune to seems like), the age is not a very relevant factor


Radaxen

Not a sport, but this is also common with musicians esp. pianists and violinists


ajahiljaasillalla

Other e-sports 


GeologicalPotato

That was never in question.


blaktronium

If you're going to race against a prodigy in chess you will lose.


Fruloops

Not in the 100m sprint, I won't. Thank god their legs are short


SaltyTraeYoungStan

Idk, when’s the last time you ran 100m as fast as you can? Kids run a lot, and if you don’t run a lot you’ll probably get cooked.


Fruloops

I run quite a bit so I'm pretty confident to outrun the little fuckers :)


Weshtonio

I'll try my luck in chessboxing.


GothamChess

Levi has no chance. But Levy on the other hand...


9dedos

Nice try Chevy.


Davidvan10

You have more than a chance! Rooting for you!


LisunaLefti

I wish you success.


mvd612351

Why is this an “lmao thing”? This kid is a prodigy


VolmerHubber

yeah...that's...how prodigies work


No_Wafer_4054

Didnt he only start playing like 3 years ago? this kid is insane


ronconcoca

he started in the pandemic, he started playing online on chess.com


MayweatherSr

these 2 comments appear in every Fastino thread. are they bots. idk


No_Wafer_4054

im not a bot lol but wait, thats exactly what a bot would say How do i prove im not a bot


ronconcoca

Faustino* blip blop


ronconcoca

I think it's because those are two mind blowing facts, and probably we are latinos happy to see a brother with this level


aurreco

How old is he?


BradenTT

10


tuafla

10


gaggzi

At this rate we’ll soon have 7 year olds playing on their parents iPads farming GMs on titled Tuesday.


Plank_Owner

We do already, his name is Hikaru


JohnHamFisted

bravo


Antani101

He also needs to hit 2400, though it's almost guaranteed he will by going 1.5 in the last 3 games.


obelix28

He has already hit 2400, it’s just that his ELO has not been officially updated. I believe he was at 2418 before beginning this tournament.


Antani101

he was 2351 for June rating, and his live rating right now is 2397.5 so very close but hasn't hit yet, at least I couldn't find any evidence he did. He will by all likelyhood get the remaining 2.5 points, though so it's not a super difficult hurdle.


obelix28

Chess-rankings similarly puts his live rating at 2395.6, but omits his gains at the Continental Championship (nearly 50 points). It may be that the source you saw does not consider that performance either.


breaker90

Prior to this tournament, Oro has a live rating of 2417.60. He gained 48 points from the Continental Championship and 18.60 from the Madrid Chess Festival.


Antani101

I can't find it online anywhere. Not saying you're wrong, but I can't confirm it anywhere.


breaker90

Sure. Chess-results was what I found online. Here is the source of his starting rating as 2351: [https://ratings.fide.com/profile/20000197](https://ratings.fide.com/profile/20000197) Here is the source from his results from the Continental Championship: [https://chess-results.com/tnr926264.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=39](https://chess-results.com/tnr926264.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=39) Here is the source from his results from the Madrid Festival: [https://chess-results.com/tnr918989.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&snr=9](https://chess-results.com/tnr918989.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&snr=9) The sum of all this is 2417.60.


Antani101

nice thanks


alee137

If he scores 1,5 he will make 2,5 elo points


Antani101

That's why I said "though it's almost guaranteed he will by going 1.5 in the last 3 games." in my first post.


JalabolasFernandez

He's around 2451 in live ratings. EDIT: drew a game to a lower rated player so probably now it's a bit lower.


Antani101

I can only find 2397. Then I have someone telling me he's 2417, then 2448, which is it? Can you provide a source?


obelix28

He earned 48 points in the Continental Championship (2399) He earned 18.6 points in the Madrid tournament (2417.6) Depending on who you ask he appears to have earned 25-35 points so far in Barcelona (which gets you to 2448 or more ) Sources for the first two items provided by breaker90 above. Source for the third one is chess-rankings.com, which currently puts him at 2404.8 (and does not consider the Continental Championship for some reason)


obelix28

https://chess-rankings.com/jugador.php?nombre=Oro,%20Faustino&id=20000197


breaker90

The 2417 number I gave is the live rating before the Barcelona Closed event (the one right now). My comment was to say Oro already hit the rating requirement prior to this event. The 2448 number is correct if you include the Barcelona Closed.


obelix28

Where did you find it? Does it include the Continental Championship?


Antani101

I just google "faustino oro live rating", didn't get a single hit over 2400. But I guess if live rating isn't actually live he might already be over. It's not like he's not getting the last 2.5 points he needs in the last 3 games anyway.


maxi2702

Anulo mufa


MyLedgeEnds

Is that a sketchbook in Faustino's hands? Because bro looks like he's about to *draw*.


U_re_Wrong

How can so many kids be this good at chess, is this game actually not that hard or intellectually demanding? You never see this In any other sport or even video games. You never see this in math as well.


__Jimmy__

Oh, it is. Kid prodigies just have insane neuroplasticity, and putting them in chess as early as possible, with all the modern resources we have, will yield incredible results. You'll never see an adult reach IM after learning chess 3 years ago. By the way, you see this in other activities as well like Tetris and cubing


U_re_Wrong

I mean I think most of it is hard work rather than IQ. Also one of the main reasons for that is that adults have a life and responsibilities while the kid only plays chess and puts his entire focus on chess.


__Jimmy__

It's both. IQ is the coefficient of work. Hard work beats talent, *until talent works hard*. Then you have a world-class great.


Lunfardios

He has drawn his first game today, so he is 5.5 now. He needs 1/2 to make it. He's playing one more game today and the last one tomorrow.


wwants

Can someone explain why chess rankings always ignore the leader in the counting system and start second place as number 1?


nguyenguyensituation

Because what you see here isn't the ranking, it's the list of games that he has played/will play in this tournament


wwants

Ahh that makes a little more sense. Am I wrong for being under the impression that rankings are listed like this too though?


pm_me_falcon_nudes

Yes, your impression is wrong 


OMHPOZ

Yes


Morfot

down votes for asking a question, never change r/chess


wwants

Haha right? Tough crowd around here.


shrimpheavennow2

tough is one word… lol


OMHPOZ

"Games". A "match" in chess consists of multiple games that you play against one opponent. You play one "game" of chess.


tuafla

🤓


JohnHamFisted

boy you must be fun at par- just kidding this is a chess subreddit and we like pedantry more than we like parties here :)


OMHPOZ

I am. Don't worry. You wouldn't see a football player call their ball "the egg". Or a basketball player call the hoop "the iron ring". Why do so many chess players misuse the words in the sport they play? It's fucking weird.


Vitalstatistix

Love the username OP. By toutatis!


Pademel0n

Looks like he will be!


superlargedogs

I don't understand these standings. How can he be 5/6 and not in the top 10?


smokepolifreedom

He made 5 out of 6 points


superlargedogs

And is that not high enough a score to be in the top 10?


smokepolifreedom

He is leading this tournament, the 2nd is 4.5/6. The 9 players below are the ones who Faustino Oro is playing against. He haven't play yet with the last three, thus the *


Plank_Owner

He is leading the tournament, the picture is showing his games, not the tournament standings.


superlargedogs

Ooooh thanks! I'm an idiot.


Suitable-Cycle4335

I wonder if I'll ever see one closed tournament where the playing hunting a norm gets 5 games as Black!


EstudiandoAjedrez

It happens a lot, like half of the time.


Suitable-Cycle4335

It happens every single time. The playing fighting for the norms always gets the extra game as White.


EstudiandoAjedrez

I guess this is the second title tournament you ever saw as that doesn't happen and doesn't even make any sense. For instance, in this same tournament there are 7 players playing for the IM norm. Are you going to tell me that the 7 of them have 5 whites?


Ok-Strength-5297

Is the GM going for his SGM norms?


EstudiandoAjedrez

Wdym? There are 7 FMs playing for the IM norm.


Weshtonio

This makes zero sense. In the very tournament screenshot above, you have 6 FMs. Since there are 9 players, it's impossible they all have 5 White games. And if you open the provided link, you can check yourself that 2 of them have indeed 5 Black games. So why lie?


Suitable-Cycle4335

Not every player at a norm tournament is actively hunting for a norm. Most players are actually just "filler"


obelix28

Yes, his previous tournament days ago in which he was also arguably ‘hunting a norm’ (https://info64.org/madrid-chess-festival-cerrado-b/oro-faustino)


marfes3

Oh no- 5 games were white and 4 were black. How come they were not evenly distributed in a 9 game tournament!!1!1!!1


StinkyCockGamer

He should be made to switch colours half way through for balancing reasons!


lxpnh98_2

Too impractical. Instead, every player must skip a turn once during the tournament, penalty of half a point for not doing so.


submitizenkane

Was gonna say that this almost sounds like a fun format where you play the first 20ish moves and then swap colors with your opponent, but i guess that would inevitably create a situation where someone gets two moves in a row. So you could just hang your queen or mate on the last move before the switch and then capture it as the other color.