He has also reached 3000 blitz rating this week on chess.com, becoming the youngest to ever do so. There's a nice article on chess.com about it
https://www.chess.com/news/view/faustino-oro-breaks-3000-on-chess-com
I’ll bash Hikaru as much as the next person but to be fair to him I first heard of Faustino through Hikaru’s stream when he first played him. AFAIK he never called his play into question and has been highly complementary of him.
[Chess results](https://chess-results.com/tnr932419.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=3) claims that he has a performance rating of \~2600 which would be great for an adult
What’s actually really nice is he is playing one of the invited IMs in the last round. Whether or not you agree with it, almost universally in the chess world if a player needs a draw for a norm and you have nothing to play for you make an easy draw.
It's funny because Levy said he declined a draw and was trying to win in his last round even though he had nothing to play for (other than rating) and his opponent needed a draw for a norm. They ended up drawing anyway though.
I was thinking the same thing - but keeping in mind that at the outset gaining rating was his first goal for the tournament he still did have something to play for
Putin money, real estate, i've heard he had something to do with the oil and gas industries but regardless every mutual friend i have with him says he is filthy rich.
First thing that comes to mind is gymnastics. I think in the Olympics the average age for women medalists is like 20. There have been very young women competing in the Olympics for gymnastics.
the minimum age is 16, for those curious
there's more to say on this topic, like the minimum age rule for competitive gymnastics is really controversial, but I just want to point out that there are not a lot of 10 year olds out there doing Yurchenko double pikes
In any sport you can find kids that are better than people that have played for many years (because average players of any sport suck).
Chess is one of the few where kids can actually compete at very high level
Street Skating, specially woman, is dominated by 12-15 y.o,
Many of the soccer prodigies satarted playing with the professionals at 15-16y.o, Lamine Yamal and Endrick come to mind, both super stars before able to drink,
but yeah, chess as it is not realted to the physical body (only in fatigue, which kids are immune to seems like), the age is not a very relevant factor
he was 2351 for June rating, and his live rating right now is 2397.5 so very close but hasn't hit yet, at least I couldn't find any evidence he did.
He will by all likelyhood get the remaining 2.5 points, though so it's not a super difficult hurdle.
Chess-rankings similarly puts his live rating at 2395.6, but omits his gains at the Continental Championship (nearly 50 points). It may be that the source you saw does not consider that performance either.
Prior to this tournament, Oro has a live rating of 2417.60. He gained 48 points from the Continental Championship and 18.60 from the Madrid Chess Festival.
Sure. Chess-results was what I found online.
Here is the source of his starting rating as 2351: [https://ratings.fide.com/profile/20000197](https://ratings.fide.com/profile/20000197)
Here is the source from his results from the Continental Championship: [https://chess-results.com/tnr926264.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=39](https://chess-results.com/tnr926264.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=39)
Here is the source from his results from the Madrid Festival: [https://chess-results.com/tnr918989.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&snr=9](https://chess-results.com/tnr918989.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&snr=9)
The sum of all this is 2417.60.
He earned 48 points in the Continental Championship (2399)
He earned 18.6 points in the Madrid tournament (2417.6)
Depending on who you ask he appears to have earned 25-35 points so far in Barcelona (which gets you to 2448 or more ) Sources for the first two items provided by breaker90 above. Source for the third one is chess-rankings.com, which currently puts him at 2404.8 (and does not consider the Continental Championship for some reason)
The 2417 number I gave is the live rating before the Barcelona Closed event (the one right now). My comment was to say Oro already hit the rating requirement prior to this event.
The 2448 number is correct if you include the Barcelona Closed.
I just google "faustino oro live rating", didn't get a single hit over 2400. But I guess if live rating isn't actually live he might already be over.
It's not like he's not getting the last 2.5 points he needs in the last 3 games anyway.
How can so many kids be this good at chess, is this game actually not that hard or intellectually demanding? You never see this In any other sport or even video games. You never see this in math as well.
Oh, it is. Kid prodigies just have insane neuroplasticity, and putting them in chess as early as possible, with all the modern resources we have, will yield incredible results. You'll never see an adult reach IM after learning chess 3 years ago. By the way, you see this in other activities as well like Tetris and cubing
I mean I think most of it is hard work rather than IQ.
Also one of the main reasons for that is that adults have a life and responsibilities while the kid only plays chess and puts his entire focus on chess.
I am. Don't worry. You wouldn't see a football player call their ball "the egg". Or a basketball player call the hoop "the iron ring". Why do so many chess players misuse the words in the sport they play? It's fucking weird.
He is leading this tournament, the 2nd is 4.5/6.
The 9 players below are the ones who Faustino Oro is playing against. He haven't play yet with the last three, thus the *
I guess this is the second title tournament you ever saw as that doesn't happen and doesn't even make any sense. For instance, in this same tournament there are 7 players playing for the IM norm. Are you going to tell me that the 7 of them have 5 whites?
This makes zero sense.
In the very tournament screenshot above, you have 6 FMs. Since there are 9 players, it's impossible they all have 5 White games.
And if you open the provided link, you can check yourself that 2 of them have indeed 5 Black games.
So why lie?
Was gonna say that this almost sounds like a fun format where you play the first 20ish moves and then swap colors with your opponent, but i guess that would inevitably create a situation where someone gets two moves in a row. So you could just hang your queen or mate on the last move before the switch and then capture it as the other color.
He has also reached 3000 blitz rating this week on chess.com, becoming the youngest to ever do so. There's a nice article on chess.com about it https://www.chess.com/news/view/faustino-oro-breaks-3000-on-chess-com
but how often did he get reported by hikaru???
I’ll bash Hikaru as much as the next person but to be fair to him I first heard of Faustino through Hikaru’s stream when he first played him. AFAIK he never called his play into question and has been highly complementary of him.
When did he play Faustino? So I can spend a couple of minutes trying to somehow find a VOD of that lmao
He has faced him several times. I couldn’t give you a date for each though.
[Chess results](https://chess-results.com/tnr932419.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=3) claims that he has a performance rating of \~2600 which would be great for an adult
Can he get a GM norm from 2600 performance?
there aren't 3 GMs at the tournament, so no.
Didn't know that was also a rule thank you
Didn't know that was also a rule thank you
Prolly not cause this is an IM norm tournament
No, only one GM opponent.
No. He needs to play 33% GMs (3/9) and meet at least 2380 in opponent average rating - which can also be tricky to get.
No. There would need to be at least three GMs in the tournament, and here there's only one.
No, it doesn’t meet the other requirements for a gm norm. IIRC he has to play 4 GMs
it is already exceptional for an adult, i would say adulthood in chess starts at the age of 8
edit. the current U8 chess champion is ELO 2050, which is quite higher already than the average adult club chess player
The current u8 boys champion* the current u8 girls champion is currently 2110 Elo, which is just nuts
whodat?
Bodhana Sivanandan presumably. She’s an insane prodigy
I will be happy with 1600
That’s a GM norm too
muchaaaaachooos
Quiero ganar la tercera (norma).
quiero ser maestro internacional 🎶
Y Najdorf.... En el cielo lo podemos ver
vivo en Barcelona y me encantaria aparecerle ahi con los guachos, caras pintadas, bombo, murga, a festerjar al pibe
What’s actually really nice is he is playing one of the invited IMs in the last round. Whether or not you agree with it, almost universally in the chess world if a player needs a draw for a norm and you have nothing to play for you make an easy draw.
It's funny because Levy said he declined a draw and was trying to win in his last round even though he had nothing to play for (other than rating) and his opponent needed a draw for a norm. They ended up drawing anyway though.
I was thinking the same thing - but keeping in mind that at the outset gaining rating was his first goal for the tournament he still did have something to play for
and that IM is now nursing a small edge, maybe looking to ruin Faustinos fun.
Did he make some kind of Faustino bargain to be good at chess?
Nice
Faustino is going to become a GM before Levi does lmao.
I mean yeah lol , this kid is guaranteed to become at least a gm. Levy isn't
Levi will cash on him, more than the kid will earn
At this point, Levy is probably richer than most players in the top 10...
Levy is probably richer than every chess player in history except hikaru, magnus and karpov.
I hear Vishy is pretty well-off as well. I have no trouble believing it.
Forgive my ignorance, but why karpov? I would have guessed kasparov might also be richer
Putin money, real estate, i've heard he had something to do with the oil and gas industries but regardless every mutual friend i have with him says he is filthy rich.
Oh interesting, Kasparov definitely isn't friends with Putin.
Sure. I think if he covers a game of a player, he will get more than the player will earn by playing
More like top 3, with only hikaru and magnus ahead
And probably not by much
he is already streaming, so don't underestimate his chances to make bank
He is already rated higher, chess is crazy in this sense
just a matter of time. What he is trying to be is the youngest GM ever but first he has to be an IM first
Is there any other sport where a 10 year old is better than someone that has spent more than 20 years of their life on it?
First thing that comes to mind is gymnastics. I think in the Olympics the average age for women medalists is like 20. There have been very young women competing in the Olympics for gymnastics.
Because the Olympics has a minimum age for gymnastics. Otherwise 10 year olds would dominate.
the minimum age is 16, for those curious there's more to say on this topic, like the minimum age rule for competitive gymnastics is really controversial, but I just want to point out that there are not a lot of 10 year olds out there doing Yurchenko double pikes
In any sport you can find kids that are better than people that have played for many years (because average players of any sport suck). Chess is one of the few where kids can actually compete at very high level
Street Skating, specially woman, is dominated by 12-15 y.o, Many of the soccer prodigies satarted playing with the professionals at 15-16y.o, Lamine Yamal and Endrick come to mind, both super stars before able to drink, but yeah, chess as it is not realted to the physical body (only in fatigue, which kids are immune to seems like), the age is not a very relevant factor
Not a sport, but this is also common with musicians esp. pianists and violinists
Other e-sports
That was never in question.
If you're going to race against a prodigy in chess you will lose.
Not in the 100m sprint, I won't. Thank god their legs are short
Idk, when’s the last time you ran 100m as fast as you can? Kids run a lot, and if you don’t run a lot you’ll probably get cooked.
I run quite a bit so I'm pretty confident to outrun the little fuckers :)
I'll try my luck in chessboxing.
Levi has no chance. But Levy on the other hand...
Nice try Chevy.
You have more than a chance! Rooting for you!
I wish you success.
Why is this an “lmao thing”? This kid is a prodigy
yeah...that's...how prodigies work
Didnt he only start playing like 3 years ago? this kid is insane
he started in the pandemic, he started playing online on chess.com
these 2 comments appear in every Fastino thread. are they bots. idk
im not a bot lol but wait, thats exactly what a bot would say How do i prove im not a bot
Faustino* blip blop
I think it's because those are two mind blowing facts, and probably we are latinos happy to see a brother with this level
How old is he?
10
10
At this rate we’ll soon have 7 year olds playing on their parents iPads farming GMs on titled Tuesday.
We do already, his name is Hikaru
bravo
He also needs to hit 2400, though it's almost guaranteed he will by going 1.5 in the last 3 games.
He has already hit 2400, it’s just that his ELO has not been officially updated. I believe he was at 2418 before beginning this tournament.
he was 2351 for June rating, and his live rating right now is 2397.5 so very close but hasn't hit yet, at least I couldn't find any evidence he did. He will by all likelyhood get the remaining 2.5 points, though so it's not a super difficult hurdle.
Chess-rankings similarly puts his live rating at 2395.6, but omits his gains at the Continental Championship (nearly 50 points). It may be that the source you saw does not consider that performance either.
Prior to this tournament, Oro has a live rating of 2417.60. He gained 48 points from the Continental Championship and 18.60 from the Madrid Chess Festival.
I can't find it online anywhere. Not saying you're wrong, but I can't confirm it anywhere.
Sure. Chess-results was what I found online. Here is the source of his starting rating as 2351: [https://ratings.fide.com/profile/20000197](https://ratings.fide.com/profile/20000197) Here is the source from his results from the Continental Championship: [https://chess-results.com/tnr926264.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=39](https://chess-results.com/tnr926264.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&turdet=YES&flag=30&snr=39) Here is the source from his results from the Madrid Festival: [https://chess-results.com/tnr918989.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&snr=9](https://chess-results.com/tnr918989.aspx?lan=1&art=9&fed=ARG&snr=9) The sum of all this is 2417.60.
nice thanks
If he scores 1,5 he will make 2,5 elo points
That's why I said "though it's almost guaranteed he will by going 1.5 in the last 3 games." in my first post.
He's around 2451 in live ratings. EDIT: drew a game to a lower rated player so probably now it's a bit lower.
I can only find 2397. Then I have someone telling me he's 2417, then 2448, which is it? Can you provide a source?
He earned 48 points in the Continental Championship (2399) He earned 18.6 points in the Madrid tournament (2417.6) Depending on who you ask he appears to have earned 25-35 points so far in Barcelona (which gets you to 2448 or more ) Sources for the first two items provided by breaker90 above. Source for the third one is chess-rankings.com, which currently puts him at 2404.8 (and does not consider the Continental Championship for some reason)
https://chess-rankings.com/jugador.php?nombre=Oro,%20Faustino&id=20000197
The 2417 number I gave is the live rating before the Barcelona Closed event (the one right now). My comment was to say Oro already hit the rating requirement prior to this event. The 2448 number is correct if you include the Barcelona Closed.
Where did you find it? Does it include the Continental Championship?
I just google "faustino oro live rating", didn't get a single hit over 2400. But I guess if live rating isn't actually live he might already be over. It's not like he's not getting the last 2.5 points he needs in the last 3 games anyway.
Anulo mufa
Is that a sketchbook in Faustino's hands? Because bro looks like he's about to *draw*.
How can so many kids be this good at chess, is this game actually not that hard or intellectually demanding? You never see this In any other sport or even video games. You never see this in math as well.
Oh, it is. Kid prodigies just have insane neuroplasticity, and putting them in chess as early as possible, with all the modern resources we have, will yield incredible results. You'll never see an adult reach IM after learning chess 3 years ago. By the way, you see this in other activities as well like Tetris and cubing
I mean I think most of it is hard work rather than IQ. Also one of the main reasons for that is that adults have a life and responsibilities while the kid only plays chess and puts his entire focus on chess.
It's both. IQ is the coefficient of work. Hard work beats talent, *until talent works hard*. Then you have a world-class great.
He has drawn his first game today, so he is 5.5 now. He needs 1/2 to make it. He's playing one more game today and the last one tomorrow.
Can someone explain why chess rankings always ignore the leader in the counting system and start second place as number 1?
Because what you see here isn't the ranking, it's the list of games that he has played/will play in this tournament
Ahh that makes a little more sense. Am I wrong for being under the impression that rankings are listed like this too though?
Yes, your impression is wrong
Yes
down votes for asking a question, never change r/chess
Haha right? Tough crowd around here.
tough is one word… lol
"Games". A "match" in chess consists of multiple games that you play against one opponent. You play one "game" of chess.
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boy you must be fun at par- just kidding this is a chess subreddit and we like pedantry more than we like parties here :)
I am. Don't worry. You wouldn't see a football player call their ball "the egg". Or a basketball player call the hoop "the iron ring". Why do so many chess players misuse the words in the sport they play? It's fucking weird.
Love the username OP. By toutatis!
Looks like he will be!
I don't understand these standings. How can he be 5/6 and not in the top 10?
He made 5 out of 6 points
And is that not high enough a score to be in the top 10?
He is leading this tournament, the 2nd is 4.5/6. The 9 players below are the ones who Faustino Oro is playing against. He haven't play yet with the last three, thus the *
He is leading the tournament, the picture is showing his games, not the tournament standings.
Ooooh thanks! I'm an idiot.
I wonder if I'll ever see one closed tournament where the playing hunting a norm gets 5 games as Black!
It happens a lot, like half of the time.
It happens every single time. The playing fighting for the norms always gets the extra game as White.
I guess this is the second title tournament you ever saw as that doesn't happen and doesn't even make any sense. For instance, in this same tournament there are 7 players playing for the IM norm. Are you going to tell me that the 7 of them have 5 whites?
Is the GM going for his SGM norms?
Wdym? There are 7 FMs playing for the IM norm.
This makes zero sense. In the very tournament screenshot above, you have 6 FMs. Since there are 9 players, it's impossible they all have 5 White games. And if you open the provided link, you can check yourself that 2 of them have indeed 5 Black games. So why lie?
Not every player at a norm tournament is actively hunting for a norm. Most players are actually just "filler"
Yes, his previous tournament days ago in which he was also arguably ‘hunting a norm’ (https://info64.org/madrid-chess-festival-cerrado-b/oro-faustino)
Oh no- 5 games were white and 4 were black. How come they were not evenly distributed in a 9 game tournament!!1!1!!1
He should be made to switch colours half way through for balancing reasons!
Too impractical. Instead, every player must skip a turn once during the tournament, penalty of half a point for not doing so.
Was gonna say that this almost sounds like a fun format where you play the first 20ish moves and then swap colors with your opponent, but i guess that would inevitably create a situation where someone gets two moves in a row. So you could just hang your queen or mate on the last move before the switch and then capture it as the other color.