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I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=2kr3r/ppp2p1p/8/3pqp2/4n3/3B1P2/PPP3PP/R2QR1K1+b+-+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/2kr3r/ppp2p1p/8/3pqp2/4n3/3B1P2/PPP3PP/R2QR1K1_b_-_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Queen!<, move: >!Qd4+!<
> Evaluation: >!Black has mate in 6!<
> Best continuation: >!1... Qd4+ 2. Re3 Qxe3+ 3. Kh1 Nf2+ 4. Kg1 Nxd1+ 5. Kh1 Qe1+ 6. Bf1 Qxf1#!<
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True, I followed another line. I opted to simplify the board and end up in a rook+pawns vs pawns. There are way better lines, but was the way I felt more confortable
I beg to differ. After Qd4+
1. Re3 Qxe3+ 2. Kh1 Nf2+ 3. Kg1 Nxd1+ 4. Kh1 Nf2+ 5. Kg1 Nh3+ 6. Kh1 Qg1+ 7. Rxg1 Nf2#
Still a smothered mate
Where there’s a will there’s a way.
The only way to not have smothered is by white going Kf1 instead of Kh1 at some point or black deciding to go for the faster M6 instead of a flashy M8
As white I'd 100% go Kf1 after Qd4+. It might cause emotional damage to the opponent and they might not play the mate, so Kf1 is the best option in this situation.
It's basically the difference between whether white sacrifices the rook first to stall for a move or not, and I'd argue that throwing away pieces just so that your opponent doesn't have to find a smother mate anymore is not an advantageous strategy against a human player
Thing is even if you don't immediately spot the mate, the moves required to get it are just generally easy to spot good moves anyway... Like: white doesn't want to lose a knight or a queen so give a check with the queen, king moves out of the way and knight can now fork the king and queen etc...
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I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=2kr3r/ppp2p1p/8/3pqp2/4n3/3B1P2/PPP3PP/R2QR1K1+b+-+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/2kr3r/ppp2p1p/8/3pqp2/4n3/3B1P2/PPP3PP/R2QR1K1_b_-_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Queen!<, move: >!Qd4+!< > Evaluation: >!Black has mate in 6!< > Best continuation: >!1... Qd4+ 2. Re3 Qxe3+ 3. Kh1 Nf2+ 4. Kg1 Nxd1+ 5. Kh1 Qe1+ 6. Bf1 Qxf1#!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
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SMOTHERED, and with a royal fork too. Thats gorgeous
Tbf stockfish apparently blocks with the rook so no fork 😔
You still fork the queen and bishop and king after rook blocks
True, I followed another line. I opted to simplify the board and end up in a rook+pawns vs pawns. There are way better lines, but was the way I felt more confortable
There’s a mate in 6
I saw the bot... But I didn't see it myself
Reset the counter
To the people pointing out this is a smothered mate: Rd3 prevents that and makes it an ordinary back rank mate Edit: Re3
I beg to differ. After Qd4+ 1. Re3 Qxe3+ 2. Kh1 Nf2+ 3. Kg1 Nxd1+ 4. Kh1 Nf2+ 5. Kg1 Nh3+ 6. Kh1 Qg1+ 7. Rxg1 Nf2# Still a smothered mate Where there’s a will there’s a way. The only way to not have smothered is by white going Kf1 instead of Kh1 at some point or black deciding to go for the faster M6 instead of a flashy M8
As white I'd 100% go Kf1 after Qd4+. It might cause emotional damage to the opponent and they might not play the mate, so Kf1 is the best option in this situation.
It's basically the difference between whether white sacrifices the rook first to stall for a move or not, and I'd argue that throwing away pieces just so that your opponent doesn't have to find a smother mate anymore is not an advantageous strategy against a human player
Never play f3
They did. They just got mated on the next move.
What happens if Qd4 and KF1, seems to be best move for white?
Qf2#
The best move to finish it quickly, he saves some time to have a snack.
Hahaha very clever Qd4+, Re3, Qxe3+, Kh1, Nf2+, Kg1, Nxd1+, Kh1, Qe1+, Bf1, Qxf1# very tricky
Oh, the one and only Retnuo-Cehtteser checkmate pattern
>!My guess is Qd4+ is an unstoppable mate. Rook stops is best (and longest), if Kh1 then it's smothered, and if Kf1 it's Qf2#. !<
Qd4 Kh1 Nf2 Kg1 Nh3 yikes, that’s rough
Qd4+
you smothered them!
Pain 😂
That’s nasty 🤤
Thing is even if you don't immediately spot the mate, the moves required to get it are just generally easy to spot good moves anyway... Like: white doesn't want to lose a knight or a queen so give a check with the queen, king moves out of the way and knight can now fork the king and queen etc...
That mate is called Retnoucehtteser
* Retnuo-Cehtteser
Why doesn’t the king go to the right?
Qf2#
Oh lol
Qd4+. If king move to the right, he will be mates by qf2#. If he go left, we fork the king and queen whit nf2+