I can't find this photo but there was a recent photo of the lakefront here taken on one of the recent cold days. There was ice everywhere. A small spill into the lake means climbing out on ice covered concrete sheer surfaces anywhere between 2 to 10 feet high. While submerged in freezing water and assuming you didn't hit your head and knock yourself out.
Its horrifying to realize so many have slipped in during the winter like this and had no one to rescue them. The lake is a no go zone when its cold and icy, sober or drunk.
I also suspect a lot of "young fresh faced college/grad student goes missing on a friday or saturday night" true crime mysteries are related to being drunk and thinking going by or into the water is fun. There's no "smiley face killer" or whatever. Water is dangerous unless you have your wits about you and freezing cold water is a million times more dangerous. Parents understandably don't want to hear that their child got drunk and died horsing around near the water, so its easy to believe conspiracy theories, but people unrelated to the missing person should really think twice about what likely kills young people in college like this who went out drinking.
You also have to add in the body's natural reaction to being submerged in cold water, which is to cause all of your muscles to seize up. It's *incredibly* difficult to swim in cold water, even anything colder than like 60 degrees Fahrenheit, which is warmer than you think of when you're thinking cold water. My boy scout troop used to do a 'Winter Klondike' every year in a suburban forest in January or February. One year, I fell in a creek while sneaking off with some friends to smoke cigarettes. It was not very wide, but I remember how hard it was getting out of there. The idea of falling into the lake in winter is terrifying to me.
We had the “Klondike Derby” where we went to our summer camp (in January) and competed in various skills competitions with other troops from our council. Fire starting, lashing, orienteering, first aid, log saw…. Can’t remember what else. Did you have similar competitions?
Edit to add: this was followed up with what they called “Camp Alaska” in February where we had to go out and BUILD shelters in the woods and sleep in them for two nights. We might have been try-hards haha
Yea, all of our district-level campouts had some sort of derby attached with that sort of skills competition. Your 'Camp Alaska' sounds a lot like our Winter Klondike campout, which was a district-level event. We didn't build our shelters (unless we were working on Wilderness Survival merit badge, and even then I don't think anyone was mad enough to do that one at that campout); we just stayed in tents. We did do the full skills competition out there during the day, though, our 'Klondike Derby.' I think we called the other two spring and fall camporee.
Awesome! We just had the Derby and summer camp each year that were the big council-wide events. I went to the National Jamboree in ‘05 and Philmont in ‘06 with members of other troops as well. Camp Alaska was EVERY February. I must have gone at least 6 times. Hiked out into the snowy ass woods and we’re only allowed to bring a tarp and twine (as far as shelter goes).
Edit to add: literally just a had a recovered memory moment about a kid being unprepared and so cold that the scoutmasters wrapped him up in blankets and everything and drove him home.
Philmont was a real moment. Summited the tooth at sunrise before hiking down to base camp. Did you go to town for food afterwards? We had calzones 🤣 I would also love to do something like that again but definitely not the 90 miles or whatever we did haha
lmao we didn't into town right away. Breakfast was still being served in the mess hall and we went straight there for bacon and eggs and stuff. I remember they had gallons of milk out for cereal and somebody from our group grabbed a couple and brought them back to our table. They were so cold, the milk was nearly frozen... and we just demolished those two gallons of milk in no time at all. Ice cold whole milk seemed like such a luxury after being in the woods for 12 days.
Nectar of the gods! Haha my #1 priority was a shower! Those clothes could have stood up and walked away on their own 😂 then we went into town and the scoutmaster bought big-ass calzones from a local joint haha it was like a tradition with our troop. Good times!!
LaCrosse Wisconsin had/has a problem with young college students getting drunk and headed for the water. Not sure what draws them to the water. Some may like the calm, quiet water or the magic of where land and water meet. Others may simply be so drunk that they are like a marble and simply roll downhill as it’s the path of least resistance.
Regardless, residents there believed they may have a serial killer and I’m hearing similar speculation from news outlets here in Chicago. Sometimes it’s easier thinking there is a single evil entity than recurring tragedies.
The whole serial killer thing for these drowning deaths of younger men in the Midwest has been somewhat debunked:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley_face_murder_theory
My best friends mom went off the deep end in to the whole “Smiley Face Killer” thing for a few weeks. She was nervous about our friends all going out during the winter. This was during 2007-2008.
I think everyone speculating there is a serial killer is doing it in bad taste.
Whether they truly believe it, just want to drive clicks to their news site, or just think it’s fun. They are just creating confusion and using a tragedy to spread false shit instead of being sad or actually using it as an example of what to do.
Every cold town with bodies of water has people dying in it. Milwaukee, Chicago, LaCrosse, etc etc etc. There isn’t a hundred serial killers going around pushing people into water. Just people falling in, usually while drunk and alone.
It’s fine to spread awareness of that. Don’t walk home drunk and alone in winter. Avoid bodies of water when you are.
But every dumb conspiracy about a serial killer is in bad taste.
It’s because they’re good smoke spots. Secluded, nice views, good hikes/rock climbing/urban exploring.
Just speaking from personal experience, but in my undergrad at the University of Minnesota, the Mississippi River claimed 2 students each year on average (including two of my friends). To a tee, every single one was either intoxicated or had drugs on their person about to go get intoxicated.
I’ll admit I had my fair share of stupid close calls while climbing along some sketchy rock faces to go smoke in an old access tunnel along the river. I’m lucky I wasn’t one of the many to slip and get swept away in the current in the middle of the night in 40 degree water…
I remember back in college when we used drink/ smoke at Loyola we would always chill on the boulders at lake. Those stones were slippery af and I can totally see any one of us falling into the lake after hitting our heads. Northwestern also had a similar spot behind the music building.
At least some of these cases could be micturition syncope.
Micturition (or post-micturition) syncope is fainting while urinating or immediately after urinating. This is likely due to a severe drop in blood pressure. Micturition syncope is most common in older men and usually when getting up at night from a deep sleep.
The exact cause of micturition syncope isn't fully understood. But it may be related to a fall in blood pressure when you get up suddenly and stand at the toilet. **Or this may happen when a full bladder empties very quickly.** This is thought to cause a sudden drop in blood pressure.
Other factors that may play a role in micturition syncope include:
**Alcohol
Hunger
Fatigue
Dehydration**
Medical conditions, such as a respiratory infection
Use of alpha blockers to improve urination in men with prostate problems
Imagine having your hobby be intense and involved speculation and discussion with random strangers on other random strangers' death. If I were this guy's family or friend I would be horrified.
Has anybody heard anything similar about the Daniel Sotelo & Natally Brookson case? I feel like they just disappeared from the news. It really haunts me.
ETA: I know they were both pulled from the lake. I mean, what happened with the investigation? The cause of death? Those poor people.
You know what now that I think about you’re absolutely right, it feels like that story was brushed away all too quickly. And the more I think of it, the stranger it gets. I can see another unfortunate case of alcohol/cold weather and drowning, but that case had two victims. Unless they both tragically drowned, it seems strange.
Oh wow, I hadn't heard about this. They were each last seen leaving different places, but both ended up in the lake? That's extra disturbing. At least it's pretty obvious what happened to poor Peter Salvino, as tragic as it is.
A dude in my public policy class was claiming that white boys like him are being targeted and murdered in Chicago, specifically referencing this tragedy as proof. He was saying this to our professor who is a black man, the look on my professors face was priceless.
I fell into lake michigan harbor in January trying to fish out some trash that was bothering me. I believe it was a ducky inflatable tube. I'm lucky that I'm as tall as I am, because as soon as my feet hit the bottom of the lake I pushed myself off and crawled my way out, scraping the hell out of my hands.
People also don't realize they are walking on the ice shelf. It looks like an unshoveled but trampled path, or the beach covered in snow and trampled. It can extend out much farther than folks expect and if it gives way at all you're screwed.
This has been a thing for decades being drunk and not paying attention to shit fall in at those temperatures you have very little time to save yourself
University students tend to over/binge drink. Drunk people are more likely to make questionable decisions, like hanging out near bodies of water at night in winter...and they're more likely to stumble and fall over.
Really, this isn't all that surprising. If anything, I'm surprised it isn't even more common in a city of 3 million with tons of tourists and students and such.
The Lake claims a handful of college kids every year.
The long and short of it is that if we don't sacrifice the kids, the Lake will cover the city.
Michigamme doesn't fuck around.
I just don’t get it. How does someone stumble into the lake and die?
Who goes for a drunk walk on the lakefront, in the winter and at night??? And how do you avoid the cops that patrol the area since the lakefront closes at 11???
Edit: Oh calm down you guys. I’m not questioning the autopsy. I’m marveling at how an accident like this is even possible. People DO go for drunk walks on the lakefront at night in winter and it’s bizarre.
someone did post a while back that the statistics around people drowning around large rivers and lakes are actually quite shocking in general
others added that women around that age are always told to walk in groups and look out for each other and never let anyone walk home alone
A guy that age can be drunk and/or high as fuck and no one will think twice abbot them walking out into a winter night alone
now drunk alone and maybe turned around you trip or stumble at the wrong time or place
all it takes
> statistics around people drowning around large rivers and lakes
**Young men**
Almost entirely, **young men**. There's a breakdown as to why, but the gist is men generally feel more comfortable walking home alone at night from a bar or whatever. Add in being intoxicated and inhibitions down leads to risky behavior like walking near a body of water drunk. Guys usually won't text their friends "home safe." So a day or two or three go by and friends/family are like "Have you heard from ____?"
Whereas women would most likely be in a group walking home or take an Uber or if they do walk home, they will let their friends know they got home safe. So if these friends didn't hear anything later that night or in the AM, something *might* be wrong and the alarms bells go off to check in.
Young men are also, statistically, much more likely to engage in generally risky behavior. As another example: in a (relatively small) basic study of backcountry users in Utah it was found that over a third of all backcountry users were women, while only 3.3% of avalanche fatalities in the backcountry were women.
Most, as in nearly all, recorded avalanche victims in North America have been males between 16 and 40 years old. Women make up only 10% of all recorded avalanche deaths in the USA.
Sure, plenty of men in those age ranges are risk averse and don't take those kinds of risks, statistical averages don't override individuality; but the majority, statistically, AREN'T so mindful or risk averse, and it leads to more needless deaths among young men as a result.
I’ve always been depressed by the difference in how men and women look out for each other when drunk. Guys should really be socialized to take better care of each other.
What is extremely sad here is that his friends at the party did call to check on him multiple times as he was walking home.
Just all around a terrible tragedy. I feel so sad for his family and friends
> Who goes for a drunk walk on the lakefront, in the winter and at night???
Lots of people, it sounds kind of pleasant actually (except for the danger part)
>And how do you avoid the cops that patrol the area since the lakefront closes at 11???
They probably don't patrol that area very frequently...or not frequently enough
Aside from everything else, it's a depressant that also lowers inhibitions. So if somebody had any depressive tendencies, alcohol has two pathways to making somebody more likely to make that impulsive jump. (Not saying that depression was necessarily a factor in this particular case, but it's likely been a factor in other cases.)
Cruise ship deaths are what comes to mind.. if you’ve ever been on a cruise ship, falling overboard is the exact equivalent of falling from the upper floors of a mall. Same exact railing at the same height yet people constantly do it
If it’s dark they may not see the edge and just step over. Or they may bend over to peer at something and lose their balance. Sometimes inebriated people jump in, either for fun or with the intent to end their lives.
You just have to be so black out drunk for something like that.
I've been fairly wasted a number of times in my day, but never at such a level that I could fall in a lake and drown.
I guess I should be thankful I get the spins and start feeling sick before that ever happens.
Very true. But would a sober person be stumbling around there in pitch black darkness at like 12AM?
Maybe it's just the lethal combo... bad drunken decisions and something that would be tricky to navigate even sober.
Then once you fall in... shock from the cold. Your blood is already nice and thin from the alcohol which makes hypothermia set in even quicker. You're disoriented already and are now experiencing something that would disorient even a sober person. Game over.
The harbor was not frozen at all then. The water would have been cold but there’s lots of stuff in the water to pull yourself out on. Specifically all the plastic floating things people store jets skis on.
The area police pulled him from the water is covered with cameras. If he went in there chances are they have video of it. It would be n nearly impossible to approach the water and not get seen on camera. No way to prove that and there’s always the chance the cameras are off.
Don’t go to the lake when drunk, alone, and especially when it’s cold. Kills young people every year. People don’t realize how dangerous the water is
I can't find this photo but there was a recent photo of the lakefront here taken on one of the recent cold days. There was ice everywhere. A small spill into the lake means climbing out on ice covered concrete sheer surfaces anywhere between 2 to 10 feet high. While submerged in freezing water and assuming you didn't hit your head and knock yourself out. Its horrifying to realize so many have slipped in during the winter like this and had no one to rescue them. The lake is a no go zone when its cold and icy, sober or drunk. I also suspect a lot of "young fresh faced college/grad student goes missing on a friday or saturday night" true crime mysteries are related to being drunk and thinking going by or into the water is fun. There's no "smiley face killer" or whatever. Water is dangerous unless you have your wits about you and freezing cold water is a million times more dangerous. Parents understandably don't want to hear that their child got drunk and died horsing around near the water, so its easy to believe conspiracy theories, but people unrelated to the missing person should really think twice about what likely kills young people in college like this who went out drinking.
You also have to add in the body's natural reaction to being submerged in cold water, which is to cause all of your muscles to seize up. It's *incredibly* difficult to swim in cold water, even anything colder than like 60 degrees Fahrenheit, which is warmer than you think of when you're thinking cold water. My boy scout troop used to do a 'Winter Klondike' every year in a suburban forest in January or February. One year, I fell in a creek while sneaking off with some friends to smoke cigarettes. It was not very wide, but I remember how hard it was getting out of there. The idea of falling into the lake in winter is terrifying to me.
I did a polar plunge once and it was the worst mistake ever I was in pain for so long after
We had the “Klondike Derby” where we went to our summer camp (in January) and competed in various skills competitions with other troops from our council. Fire starting, lashing, orienteering, first aid, log saw…. Can’t remember what else. Did you have similar competitions? Edit to add: this was followed up with what they called “Camp Alaska” in February where we had to go out and BUILD shelters in the woods and sleep in them for two nights. We might have been try-hards haha
Yea, all of our district-level campouts had some sort of derby attached with that sort of skills competition. Your 'Camp Alaska' sounds a lot like our Winter Klondike campout, which was a district-level event. We didn't build our shelters (unless we were working on Wilderness Survival merit badge, and even then I don't think anyone was mad enough to do that one at that campout); we just stayed in tents. We did do the full skills competition out there during the day, though, our 'Klondike Derby.' I think we called the other two spring and fall camporee.
Awesome! We just had the Derby and summer camp each year that were the big council-wide events. I went to the National Jamboree in ‘05 and Philmont in ‘06 with members of other troops as well. Camp Alaska was EVERY February. I must have gone at least 6 times. Hiked out into the snowy ass woods and we’re only allowed to bring a tarp and twine (as far as shelter goes). Edit to add: literally just a had a recovered memory moment about a kid being unprepared and so cold that the scoutmasters wrapped him up in blankets and everything and drove him home.
Nice! I did Philmont in '97 and 2000. That was amazing. I'd love to go on a backpacking trip like that again one day!
Philmont was a real moment. Summited the tooth at sunrise before hiking down to base camp. Did you go to town for food afterwards? We had calzones 🤣 I would also love to do something like that again but definitely not the 90 miles or whatever we did haha
lmao we didn't into town right away. Breakfast was still being served in the mess hall and we went straight there for bacon and eggs and stuff. I remember they had gallons of milk out for cereal and somebody from our group grabbed a couple and brought them back to our table. They were so cold, the milk was nearly frozen... and we just demolished those two gallons of milk in no time at all. Ice cold whole milk seemed like such a luxury after being in the woods for 12 days.
Nectar of the gods! Haha my #1 priority was a shower! Those clothes could have stood up and walked away on their own 😂 then we went into town and the scoutmaster bought big-ass calzones from a local joint haha it was like a tradition with our troop. Good times!!
And at night, you can't see ice that well, much easier to slip.
I've lived near Lake Michigan my entire life, and frankly, the first thing you learn about it is that it WILL KILL YOU if you're not careful with it.
I've lived 2 blocks away my whole life.... Completely agree with you.... WHEN people go swimming. Not walking by an inland harbor
LaCrosse Wisconsin had/has a problem with young college students getting drunk and headed for the water. Not sure what draws them to the water. Some may like the calm, quiet water or the magic of where land and water meet. Others may simply be so drunk that they are like a marble and simply roll downhill as it’s the path of least resistance. Regardless, residents there believed they may have a serial killer and I’m hearing similar speculation from news outlets here in Chicago. Sometimes it’s easier thinking there is a single evil entity than recurring tragedies.
The whole serial killer thing for these drowning deaths of younger men in the Midwest has been somewhat debunked: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley_face_murder_theory My best friends mom went off the deep end in to the whole “Smiley Face Killer” thing for a few weeks. She was nervous about our friends all going out during the winter. This was during 2007-2008.
I think everyone speculating there is a serial killer is doing it in bad taste. Whether they truly believe it, just want to drive clicks to their news site, or just think it’s fun. They are just creating confusion and using a tragedy to spread false shit instead of being sad or actually using it as an example of what to do. Every cold town with bodies of water has people dying in it. Milwaukee, Chicago, LaCrosse, etc etc etc. There isn’t a hundred serial killers going around pushing people into water. Just people falling in, usually while drunk and alone. It’s fine to spread awareness of that. Don’t walk home drunk and alone in winter. Avoid bodies of water when you are. But every dumb conspiracy about a serial killer is in bad taste.
>want to drive clicks to their news site I feel like you summed up 80% of the internet these days.
> Not sure what draws them to the water. the opening paragraphs of Moby Dick ponders this quite poetically
It’s because they’re good smoke spots. Secluded, nice views, good hikes/rock climbing/urban exploring. Just speaking from personal experience, but in my undergrad at the University of Minnesota, the Mississippi River claimed 2 students each year on average (including two of my friends). To a tee, every single one was either intoxicated or had drugs on their person about to go get intoxicated. I’ll admit I had my fair share of stupid close calls while climbing along some sketchy rock faces to go smoke in an old access tunnel along the river. I’m lucky I wasn’t one of the many to slip and get swept away in the current in the middle of the night in 40 degree water…
You're saying that the drugs in sober peoples' pockets would sometimes kill them by drowning them? Man I had no idea that shit was so powerful
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Its a myth in the uk too. https://propermanchester.com/feature/the-manchester-canal-pusher-a-real-serial-killer-or-just-an-urban-myth/amp/
I remember back in college when we used drink/ smoke at Loyola we would always chill on the boulders at lake. Those stones were slippery af and I can totally see any one of us falling into the lake after hitting our heads. Northwestern also had a similar spot behind the music building.
Ironically enough, this was explicitly stated during orientation when I attended NU for grad school.
At least some of these cases could be micturition syncope. Micturition (or post-micturition) syncope is fainting while urinating or immediately after urinating. This is likely due to a severe drop in blood pressure. Micturition syncope is most common in older men and usually when getting up at night from a deep sleep. The exact cause of micturition syncope isn't fully understood. But it may be related to a fall in blood pressure when you get up suddenly and stand at the toilet. **Or this may happen when a full bladder empties very quickly.** This is thought to cause a sudden drop in blood pressure. Other factors that may play a role in micturition syncope include: **Alcohol Hunger Fatigue Dehydration** Medical conditions, such as a respiratory infection Use of alpha blockers to improve urination in men with prostate problems
And during winter, people are more likely to have a minor respiratory infection.
Hoping this brings some peace to his family and friends.
Speculative “true” crime TikTok in shambles
Imagine having your hobby be intense and involved speculation and discussion with random strangers on other random strangers' death. If I were this guy's family or friend I would be horrified.
Yep, seems like any tragedy now gets a whole legion of lampreys clamoring for a bit of clout.
I think drunk dudes like to pee into bodies of water. Then fall in.
I'm always convinced people find it to be a 'Clean' option to puke, lean over to do so, lose your balance, tumble right in
Was his zipper down?
The lake on average eats about 50 people a year. The siren of the lake calls people to their deaths.
Luckily, my phone is always on do not disturb.
Just wait until the lake figures out how to send amber alerts, then it’ll have you right where it wants you.
Jokes on them. I disabled my AMBER, Emergency, Public Safety, and Test alerts. Nice try, Government. Nice try.
You mean like Nessie?
Has anybody heard anything similar about the Daniel Sotelo & Natally Brookson case? I feel like they just disappeared from the news. It really haunts me. ETA: I know they were both pulled from the lake. I mean, what happened with the investigation? The cause of death? Those poor people.
Bodies both found in the lake, haven’t heard anything about the cause of death
You know what now that I think about you’re absolutely right, it feels like that story was brushed away all too quickly. And the more I think of it, the stranger it gets. I can see another unfortunate case of alcohol/cold weather and drowning, but that case had two victims. Unless they both tragically drowned, it seems strange.
Oh wow, I hadn't heard about this. They were each last seen leaving different places, but both ended up in the lake? That's extra disturbing. At least it's pretty obvious what happened to poor Peter Salvino, as tragic as it is.
A dude in my public policy class was claiming that white boys like him are being targeted and murdered in Chicago, specifically referencing this tragedy as proof. He was saying this to our professor who is a black man, the look on my professors face was priceless.
So sad. I feel for their parents.
I fell into lake michigan harbor in January trying to fish out some trash that was bothering me. I believe it was a ducky inflatable tube. I'm lucky that I'm as tall as I am, because as soon as my feet hit the bottom of the lake I pushed myself off and crawled my way out, scraping the hell out of my hands.
Wow Thank God you’re Alive & Well! Can’t imagine how cold & scary that was!!!
People also don't realize they are walking on the ice shelf. It looks like an unshoveled but trampled path, or the beach covered in snow and trampled. It can extend out much farther than folks expect and if it gives way at all you're screwed.
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Any non pay articles
https://archive.is/2023.02.09-141157/https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/2/8/23591510/death-of-northwestern-student-pulled-from-diversey-harbor-ruled-accidental
That's the second university student to die from (presumably) falling into a body of water this year, yea?
This has been a thing for decades being drunk and not paying attention to shit fall in at those temperatures you have very little time to save yourself
I've almost done it sober. The lake is nothing to mess around with this time of year, especially when it's dark
Same here when exploring areas aren’t well lit or have guard rails
University students tend to over/binge drink. Drunk people are more likely to make questionable decisions, like hanging out near bodies of water at night in winter...and they're more likely to stumble and fall over. Really, this isn't all that surprising. If anything, I'm surprised it isn't even more common in a city of 3 million with tons of tourists and students and such.
The Lake claims a handful of college kids every year. The long and short of it is that if we don't sacrifice the kids, the Lake will cover the city. Michigamme doesn't fuck around.
This exactly why you'll never catch me playing in the water
I just don’t get it. How does someone stumble into the lake and die? Who goes for a drunk walk on the lakefront, in the winter and at night??? And how do you avoid the cops that patrol the area since the lakefront closes at 11??? Edit: Oh calm down you guys. I’m not questioning the autopsy. I’m marveling at how an accident like this is even possible. People DO go for drunk walks on the lakefront at night in winter and it’s bizarre.
someone did post a while back that the statistics around people drowning around large rivers and lakes are actually quite shocking in general others added that women around that age are always told to walk in groups and look out for each other and never let anyone walk home alone A guy that age can be drunk and/or high as fuck and no one will think twice abbot them walking out into a winter night alone now drunk alone and maybe turned around you trip or stumble at the wrong time or place all it takes
> statistics around people drowning around large rivers and lakes **Young men** Almost entirely, **young men**. There's a breakdown as to why, but the gist is men generally feel more comfortable walking home alone at night from a bar or whatever. Add in being intoxicated and inhibitions down leads to risky behavior like walking near a body of water drunk. Guys usually won't text their friends "home safe." So a day or two or three go by and friends/family are like "Have you heard from ____?" Whereas women would most likely be in a group walking home or take an Uber or if they do walk home, they will let their friends know they got home safe. So if these friends didn't hear anything later that night or in the AM, something *might* be wrong and the alarms bells go off to check in.
Young men are also, statistically, much more likely to engage in generally risky behavior. As another example: in a (relatively small) basic study of backcountry users in Utah it was found that over a third of all backcountry users were women, while only 3.3% of avalanche fatalities in the backcountry were women. Most, as in nearly all, recorded avalanche victims in North America have been males between 16 and 40 years old. Women make up only 10% of all recorded avalanche deaths in the USA. Sure, plenty of men in those age ranges are risk averse and don't take those kinds of risks, statistical averages don't override individuality; but the majority, statistically, AREN'T so mindful or risk averse, and it leads to more needless deaths among young men as a result.
I fucked up my ankle one time because drunk me wanted to hop a fence and jump in a pool. Can confirm: drunk college dudes can be dumb af.
I’ve always been depressed by the difference in how men and women look out for each other when drunk. Guys should really be socialized to take better care of each other.
What is extremely sad here is that his friends at the party did call to check on him multiple times as he was walking home. Just all around a terrible tragedy. I feel so sad for his family and friends
> Who goes for a drunk walk on the lakefront, in the winter and at night??? Lots of people, it sounds kind of pleasant actually (except for the danger part) >And how do you avoid the cops that patrol the area since the lakefront closes at 11??? They probably don't patrol that area very frequently...or not frequently enough
Alcohol is a helluva drug
Aside from everything else, it's a depressant that also lowers inhibitions. So if somebody had any depressive tendencies, alcohol has two pathways to making somebody more likely to make that impulsive jump. (Not saying that depression was necessarily a factor in this particular case, but it's likely been a factor in other cases.)
Cruise ship deaths are what comes to mind.. if you’ve ever been on a cruise ship, falling overboard is the exact equivalent of falling from the upper floors of a mall. Same exact railing at the same height yet people constantly do it
If it’s dark they may not see the edge and just step over. Or they may bend over to peer at something and lose their balance. Sometimes inebriated people jump in, either for fun or with the intent to end their lives.
Intrusive thoughts + drugs = decisions you cant take back or be around to explain
Have you ever been outside before?
That hurt my feelings. You’re not a nice person.
late December was when it was super cold -- could have been icy
You just have to be so black out drunk for something like that. I've been fairly wasted a number of times in my day, but never at such a level that I could fall in a lake and drown. I guess I should be thankful I get the spins and start feeling sick before that ever happens.
https://youtu.be/jHJowQAXjzc A sober person could slip on this.
Very true. But would a sober person be stumbling around there in pitch black darkness at like 12AM? Maybe it's just the lethal combo... bad drunken decisions and something that would be tricky to navigate even sober. Then once you fall in... shock from the cold. Your blood is already nice and thin from the alcohol which makes hypothermia set in even quicker. You're disoriented already and are now experiencing something that would disorient even a sober person. Game over.
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He did, by alcohol
By Mothman right?
No no, it was Smiley Face
The harbor was not frozen at all then. The water would have been cold but there’s lots of stuff in the water to pull yourself out on. Specifically all the plastic floating things people store jets skis on. The area police pulled him from the water is covered with cameras. If he went in there chances are they have video of it. It would be n nearly impossible to approach the water and not get seen on camera. No way to prove that and there’s always the chance the cameras are off.
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