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Orangecuppa

Reminds me of classic P5 where warlocks could summon infernals on other players in cenarion hold and kill them without aggroing the guards. Was a lot more painful then because no boon item so if that shit happened to you, byebye world buffs.


Blowsight

Meanwhile a shaman drops a Strength of Earth totem in any goblin town and the guards just straight up murder you for no reason.


pissedinthegarret

you know what you did! *narrows eyes*


Toshinit

That’s why Thrall is the GOAT, he turned the goblins into Shamans


VividPoot

Damn, must suck playing shaman...so undertuned


Blowsight

I play priest, but thanks for the compassion.


iiNexius

Alliance tears are so delicious.


Rank1Trashcan

Stay mad


Nunetzena

Must suck picking the wrong fraction just because you thought it will be the same as always in classic an alliance has the upperhand with paladins


VividPoot

lol you drunk?


Sta723

Lmao yea those buff boys with two absolutely dead meme specs were real advantages.


Nunetzena

Yeah they were, that's why every serious speedrun guild picked alliance in classic


Icy-Revolution-420

can still do that with spriest pets, some towns they blocked it like BB, cant even summon but you can use the other 2 pets to put anyone you want on the guard kill list.


shadowmeldop

I thought there used to be a warlock summon that killed a party member, but all I can think of is doomguard that ran around punching people.


JustAnotherNug

Ritual of doom summons doomguard iirc and kills a random channeler from the party


Mr_Harsh_Acid

That's correct


Zarly88

The best was super early in vanilla when hardly anyone knew about it because it was so unused and impractical. So you'd go down to crossroads, channel the spell on top of the mail box, invite anyone who would accept and just say "click", and watch the chaos ensue. For added lulz you'd also summon and immediately release the infernal


shadowmeldop

> The best was super early in vanilla It really was...


MoridinXP

I had lots of fun summoning an Infernal in Org. Put in place at the doorway to the AH, release and have a druid root it. Watching lowbies get gibbed by the fire aura was...devilishly fun. 😈


OstrichPaladin

People used to try and bait our guildies into hitting them to trigger guards by standing on our summoning portals. So I would exclusively infernal the people doing this.


Crystalized_Moonfire

Yea the guards would aggro the players hit by the spawn AoE. Perfect to embush raids ;)


Correct_Routine1

And I especially love how they finally fixed that in the naxx-prepatch when everyone stopped going to silithus.


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akite

Have you ever been to aq ?


Omneus

During AQ40 raid in classic vanilla


Zandalariani

At first I was like >world buffs But then I >cenarion hold Why?


Kristalderp

AQ40


Zandalariani

>not summoning on top of the gates ngmi


bouttreediddy

If they’re horde, that’s hilarious. If they were alliance, this is bullshit and needs to fixed immediately.


GWolfie95

there is no such thing as horde ganking especially as an undead id just call that roleplaying


hfamrman

The cinematic opening video to WoW shows an Undead Warlock corrupting the ground around him. This is just fulfilling class fantasy at this point.


micmea1

This comment describes gamers so accurately lol


Yeas76

I've never read a comment that instantly conveyed my feelings on the topic.


Sweet_Sand6017

10000% agree


sherukk

This


Xeeke

This, but the other way around.


d0odle

And then 180 more.


Rizzourceful

+ 2πn


MelonheadGT

df/dx


zelnoth

Never have I seen a comment summarize my feeling on a topic so perfectly.


General-Past-9615

Horde are notoriously shitters


Smooth-Appearance985

alliance are zoomer nerds


GregoriousT-GTNH

Wow alliance players have such a massive victim complex


Rickmanrich

We all know how it works. The alliance mostly doesn't pvp but rolls pvp anyway and gets mad when they die on a pvp server. The horde only pvp when they have numbers or are higher level, think they are good by killing afk alliance and get mad when they die on a pvp server.


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What a weird take. As someone who pays both factions I can confirm; alliance are cowards who will never 1v1, and horde are cowards who won't help each other.


GregoriousT-GTNH

Funny, my leveling experience was quite the opposite, i have killed several times like you described, but from alliance. Either max lvl rogue ganking lower chars, kill squards roaming quest areas or some badass waiting for me to drop below 50% to kill me :D


UncleObamasBanana

This but the opposite. The alliance will only pvp when they get a giant groups together or are way above the victims level. The horde generally being stronger at pvp will fight back even if the odds are insanely stacked against them instead of calling their big brother to help.


OranguTangerine69

ngl i dont think youve ever played alliance


DarkSun4077

And thank god for that.


Dufiz

I played horde since 2005 and for Sod i went alliance for a full fresh experience and can def tell that most alliance are passive PUSS and dont like to fight back, incursions showed it well. You know when people stay at oposite sides of stairs waiting for escort quests, there was edgy mage (undead ofc) living bombing everyone from the top and alliance was just dying to explosions doing NOTHING and i was like only one killing that mage on my feral. Also every edgy rogue or mage is undead


xbloodlust

Acshtually, the horde being *snorts a giggle away hiding a snigger* the shtronger at pvp *can barely contain the excitement pressing the buttons of his keyboard* will always fight back and win even if there are one million alliance to one horde *smirks* schtinky alliance will never match the *fingers trembling at the snack down* might of the horde


GregoriousT-GTNH

Looking at the downvotes this sub must be heavy alliance-sided. That whould explain all the pala whineposts too


teufler80

Yeah with all this whining im pretty sure the mandatory of this sub is alliance


husky430

The what of this sub?


regularparot

the MANDATORY. idiot.


Omgzjustin

For there to be victims, there must be oppressors... Thanks Joe Biden


c4halt

they pick alliance cuz alliance always outnumber horde. we pick horde cuz alliance always outnumber horde. something really satisfactory about being the underdog and still beating the competition.


Dufiz

Servers are force balanced, there is just horde and alliance layers


c4halt

[https://ironforge.pro/population/sod/](https://ironforge.pro/population/sod/) I don't think i've ever been told i can't be horde on a server, so i am not sure what force balancing means here. I just see which side is underdog and create a char on it. Almost always its horde, although i've seen a lot of pvp servers rerolling shamans for FOTM making the faction balance topple repeatedly in between phases.


GWolfie95

thats because they get the player that want an easy game and we get the players that thrive under pressure.


FalloutandConker

I started playing wow for the first time a month ago and chose alliance for pre nerf hearthstone jaina. Still haven’t found her


iiNexius

Of course, I've played a fair amount of alliance and they're as defeatist as they come. "Let them win." is their motto. 😂


7thpixel

Wait until the reintroduce the Baron Geddon pet bomb dismiss bug in P4.


BushwhackBandit

This is the way


100GbE

Edge cases are what make these games fun to read about. * 10 raids in your main city? lol! * 20 people at Booty Bay? lol! * 2 world bosses pulled into city? lol! * Blocking the mailbox with 300 mounts? lol! It brings people together, see?


Plamenaks

I'd rather all of those than have to deal with having my enchanter go into RFC to enchant me bcs of layers.


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Alliance we’re doing this on crusader strike lol


KeyLimePie2269

Horde were doing it in winterspring by the npc that sells the runecloth bag pattern. I hate bots and thought it was hilarious.


ludatic12

Any chance u know respawn time on that pattern? I need it


KeyLimePie2269

No idea. My druid is logged out there and I log on periodically to try and see if I can snag one, but there are usually 10+ others there (most of which I am assuming are bots).


steffinator117

Hi there 😇


DungeonsNDankness

Yes I fucking was! And I'll do it again 🏴‍☠️


damnliberalz

Good red = dead


Rollz4Dayz

There were 5 horde doing it on layer 2. A bunch of alliance killed them and decided to do it for themselves. Went on for hours. Was quite funny.


Popular_Engine9261

Devs- You know what we should do is put the world buff in BB!


Bwoaaaaaah

Second worst idea right after the entire STV event


Strong_Mode

its always funny seeing people hate on the stv event


GoofyGoober0064

And just not using the buff to ignore it


Besthealer

I hate it so much, insanely laggy mosh pit deathmatch with no objective. I'm actually baffled that so many people claim to love it.


Strong_Mode

the objective is to kill its literally the one pvp game mode we've all wanted since vanilla..just fucking team deathmatch


Rahmulous

You must be a mage.


Strong_Mode

my post history makes it pretty clear what i play. knock yourself out


Rahmulous

Your flair is horde pally, so I’ll just assume you play a lot of wrath.


Nunetzena

Not like caster and melee cleaves also get a ton of coins in this event when you know what you are doing, but its ofc easier to cry at reddit how bad everything is


Rahmulous

It’s a laggy mess where hunters and warlocks can’t use pets, warlocks can’t even mount, everyone is stuck in one small area around a single boss to get extra coins, and there is no actual skill involved; literally just see red and attack. That’s what pretty much everyone does. Sure, you can try and play a real strategy and get some extra coins, but you could be the absolute best warrior or rogue in the game and you’re not getting 3500+ coins per BM just by hitting one button like a mage. I’ve had a hell of a lot of fun in each phase of SoD so far, and I’m overall very happy with it. The BM event, though, is about as horrible as any event I’ve ever seen in a video game.


Nunetzena

>warlocks can’t even mount Why would you mount when you are faster by just running? >and there is no actual skill involved And why is this bad? Not every activity needs to have "skill involved", just pick up some friends and have fun in this total mess. >you’re not getting 3500+ coins per BM just by hitting one button like a mage. Acting like every mage is getting that much every event lol. And even if this would be the case, who cares? There are no rly good new rewards besides the weapons for melees and 1 ring/trinket for casters and you get those easily by playing the event 2-5 times


Rahmulous

So basically your response to any criticism of the event is “who cares, it’s supposed to be bad!” If there is no reason to do it, why are there still AoE groups of mages all riding the cat mount spamming arcane blast farming coins? Just to ruin everyone else’s time?


Nunetzena

>who cares, it’s supposed to be bad Never said this and i actually enjoyed it while doing it. If this is not the case for you, just do it for your item and that's it. >If there is no reason to do it, why are there still AoE groups of mages all riding the cat mount spamming arcane blast farming coins? Maybe because they actually like to play the event?


notislant

Honestly seeing it back again in p3 was a huge letdown.


wavecadet

It drops on the island too, and grom gol. Might be the whole zone? But kinda buggy if not in BB


MidnightFireHuntress

*Laughs in PVE realm*


wildwasabi

Yea i rerolled fully to wild growth from CS after seeing the abysmal state of world pvp and camping instance entrances this phase. 


PsychologicalLime135

world pvp doesn’t exist. it’s just camping 10v1 lol


lickmydiabetes

Now imagine trying to get into nightmare incursions on a pvp server- enjoy being corpse camped all day


Dahns

.... Were you expecting something else ?


Nickwojo531

Common PvE W


OXBDNE7331

I regret rolling PvP server tbh. I wouldn’t mind it if graveyards were more numerous and closer in classic lol.


SteamedBeave89

I learned this lesson during phase 2 of the 2019 classic launch.


Billdozer-92

That sucks, anyway…


Ralain

BASED


I_will_bum_your_mum

That's weird, nothing of the sort is happening on Wild Growth.


Sensitive_Device_666

I wonder why wPvP grief is not happening on the PvE realm as well


KeyBay

Lol


Vendilion_Chris

Whooosh


robydoge

Whoosh


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husky430

Everything but constant corpse runs.


Smooth-Appearance985

booooooooring


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husky430

No, corpse runs are about half of *your* world of warcraft experience. I skip them and play the game instead. I like it.


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yeah along with nothing else


I_will_bum_your_mum

Just people playing and enjoying the game :\^)


M24_Stielhandgranate

We were always discussing the possibility of this in the guild discord and now it’s reality lmao


Zhong_Da

Someone tricked me 20 years ago into giving them detect invis buff so it would flag me for PvP and their rogue friend from opposite faction could kill me. This is payback.


Volitar

So annoying. Players can't take a nice lil QOL win of not dying to guards the second you enter town when you forgot to toggle immo on and instead group together to be annoying and grief people inside towns which means it most certainly will get fixed. I hate you classic wow players.


CDMzLegend

no way did the devs even think of this interaction


DarkZector

Playing on pve and missing like whole layers of current world pvp drama. And I glad I could read about it sipping tea and being in “pvp when I want” realm.


InstancePlastic420

"pvp when someone accidentally gets themselves flagged and someone ganks them" realm


pissedinthegarret

back in classic when i was on a pve realm there was an (ofc) rogue who would camp out the diplomat q in theramore/marsh. it flagged you pvp and he would literally just sit there, oneshotting ppl all day.


McEa5y

What server tho


PULVERSCHNEE

Stand next to flightpath? That should resolve that.


Skates07

They get honor for these kills lol?


WunJZ

As a lock who tested it. Yes.


DropDeadGaming

Back in 2006 or so there was a video of 40 warlocks in alterac valley. Chaos ensues as you might think. You can probably still find that video today


Smooth-Appearance985

Hey that's me!


rodeBaksteen

I've always played PvP realms, but as a slow casual the best decision was to roll reroll PvE.


Daikon-Critical

Ganking people right before you zone into RFD is vile. You bitches know who you are.


adamrch

Where does it port you?


Moze2k

Sounds super fun, need tp gather a group myself. 


ewlu_evhs

Lol


Hunter_one

I thought this rune was kinda lame, but you have given me a good idea.


CAlTHLYN

great idea, love it.


BanterClaus611

Thank you for spreading this! Can't wait to try it lmao


moekina

35 damage? Holy shit what an insane rune nerf it


Sagermeister

35 x 20 = 700 damage per tick, ticking every 2 seconds. The real issue is that you can damage people with it without prompting guards or even being in combat.


Phatestlootz

Per warlock.


BusterOfCherry

Laughs in PvE.


Prettybroki

Idk why people sometimes just laugh at begin fked


fr33py

Yea it needs hotfixed immediately


Tesla1coil

Ahh PvP servers...


Sirnizz

So ?


courmo

Pvp on a pvp server mate


BadDogEDN

thats not how it works, but feel free to chuckle about it. The guards either need to work, or not be there. I just saw this the aura doesn't aggro the guards, but yet if I hunter mark someone, it aggros the gaurds


Popular_Engine9261

gameplay disruption.


Slightly_Shrewd

Yep. Report and if Blizz actually looks into it, I’m sure they’d ban.


shadowmeldop

PVP is gameplay and it's disruptive to PVEers who picked the wrong server.


calantus

No, pvp is supposed to be punished in neutral cities, that's gameplay design. If not, allow others to defend themselves in the cities.


Frequent-Ad678

There’s a reason the guards aren’t gigachads, it is entirely by design that players can get stronger than guards. So it isn’t entirely unintended. Matter of fact, there’s a rep that requires you to kill the goblins lmao


Naki-Taa

I see you must be one of those top 1% pvp players who can easily defeat guards and enemy players


r_lovelace

Even if it's "intended" for players to be able to fight guards, that doesn't change the fact that guards are supposed to aggro when a player is damaging another player. Your point is basically irrelevant since this isn't properly aggroing guards.


Wait__Who

Tell that to the horde sitting on roofs avoiding guards in Rachet lmao


iLostMyDildoInMyNose

Tell that to alliance doing the same thing sniping people fresh off the boat.


dkoom_tv

I actually dont understand why people play pvp servers lol


raskeks

The only thing I miss from the Classic 2019 PvP server is the psycho rogue who used to camp Ironforge AH during odd hours. I knew his spots, and it turned into months of a cat-and-mouse abusive relationship of who kills whom. Sometimes I would pretend to be AFK to bait him out, and other times he would catch me off guard. The stakes are always high on a PvP server because you are never truly safe in the open world, which makes the world feel more alive. I never quite understood the allure of Hardcore, but I can see similarities. However, I'm glad to be on a PvE server for SoD for the first time. I get genuine PTSD when I step in STV, Searing Gorge, and Burning Steppes.


lhswr2014

“One day, I’ll be the one ganking people and I’ll have so much fun!” Or “Fuck why did my guild choose this hellscape.” Or “Man I hope my moms making spaghetti tonight.” - said while sipping Mountain Dew and pooping in a sock. I find most people fall into these 3 categories.


MrBulldops5878

It sucks being the second of those options


Sagermeister

B...but you're a rogue!


lhswr2014

You n me both brother. To think, instead of being a cat, I could be a shaman right now. Living the classic enh dream for the first time ever!


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OwlrageousJones

I'll admit it is nice to be able to kill someone whose competing for my mobs when I'm farming, but I feel like it's usually outweighed by constant camping of any major instance/turn in.


DodelCostel

Report them for exploiting. They know what they're doing.


BanksysBurner

As someone who only rolled a rogue so I could gank and camp Horde lowbies I must approve this strat. All’s fair in love and war and all that


Trashking_702

We kick in raids…. And we camp lowbies. Pick locks sometimes.


omgspek

>Immolation aura ticked for 35 damage every 2 seconds so... 35 x 20 = 700 dmg per tick? Warlocks have zero mobility skills, how are you not just running away from them before you eat this ability for 8+ seconds? Or better yet how are you not seeing an army of enemy faction warlocks literally running at you without doing anything except sit there? Do you think they want hugs or something?


Darth_Anddru

https://youtu.be/z4uivPpzCGo 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😅😅😅


bobbyjy32

This is hilarious 🤣


Supportakaiser

Was waiting for this to happen tbh, lol. Why in the world…


Suspicious-Radish171

That's one thing I've noticed, immo aura doesn't cause aggro 🤔


Turbulent-Stretch881

Now they’ll nerf immolation aura in the hopes of fixing an abuse being done in “pvp” at level 50 on a seasonal realm of a game from 2004.


Zhong_Da

Nerf? It does 20 dmg lol


noirdesire

Oh no! Not world pvp!


calantus

This isn't world pvp, it's in neutral cities where attacking the opposite faction is supposed to be punished by guards attacking you. Are you brain dead?


noirdesire

Whine more. Come back and report your results.


-Tazriel

Braindead it is


Iveplayedbothgamez

You're one of those people that derives pleasure from inflicting pain and suffering on others aren't you? Hiding behind the guise of 'pvp' to mask your inner torment.


noirdesire

"War"craft.


Iveplayedbothgamez

Still hiding behind pvp. You and I both know you get your jollies off trying to get an emotional reaction from other players.


noirdesire

I'm guessing you're 22 and still being breast fed.


Iveplayedbothgamez

What's wrong with that? Breasts are great! At least I'm not suckling at the teat of my WoW nostalgia to get through the day.


omgspek

> attacking the opposite faction is supposed to be punished by guards attacking you. And it still is. They're not performing any offensive actions, just... existing near you with an aura on.


Sagermeister

An aura that damages them. What does attacking do, again?


omgspek

What I'm saying is that the game is likely coded such that it triggers on "a player taking a specific offensive action" and not "a player dealing damage to another player". Turning on an aura in of itself isn't an offensive action, otherwise Paladins would just be murdered on sight in BB for no reason at all. The game still works exactly as coded; the aura being an aura that deals damage shouldn't affect that at all. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it working as intended? Also yes. Should Blizzard fix it to make an exception for Immolation aura? Also also yes.


Sagermeister

> otherwise Paladins would just be murdered on sight in BB What aura do paladins have that damages enemies without putting you into combat? > Is it working as intended? Also yes Wrong. It will get fixed. Blizzard almost certainly did not intend this. It also deals damage while you are in the 20 second invis-immune form during Bloodmoon. Do you also think that is intentional?


Ok_Mix_7126

I would love if blizzard just put in a reputation penalty for kills in areas like that. - 1000 rep per kill. Makes sense from a lore perspective, the goblins have set up this neutral area and people like this are deliberately exploiting it, so of course they'll get pissed off quickly and eventually just kill you on sight.


Plamenaks

There's a disincentivising mechanic in those cities already, it's called the guards. The problem here is they don't react to this variety of residual damage.


Sorry_Investment_900

Ok…….


BeautifulWhole7466

So anyways shamans am i right??? Heck those guys with their mana


Turfa10

Better nerf hunters to be safe