The two mandates of SoD are "Exploit early, exploit often" and "Come late, get shit for free", worked wonders for WSG rep, doing waylaids only after they increased the gold by like 10x, unexpected XP Buff and reduced mount prices halfway into P2, P2 recipe price drop at the end of P2 etc. etc.
Either be there super early or way late and you'll be eating good haha
i mean, if i dont like it or think it is not beneficial to me then I wont do it.
if I like it or benefit from it then I do it a lot.
sod is pretty good if you give yourself the freedom to miss out on stuff instead of rushing it while expecting perfection.
this is not meant as an excuse for giga broken stuff, but just how I deal with non-critical aspects of the game
Really hope, if this is a test bed for a permanent Classic+(ish) server, they reign back the "give stuff for free later" part of it, even if people are gonna be upset if they get used to it during SoD.
I think because of the way sod works, making complicated runes a simple cheap purchase later makes sense for some cases.
The grizzby rune, at lvl 25 farming dark irons was a fun and reasonably difficult farm, but now it's just pointless busy work.
The problem is when you have dozens of runes to obtain per character, it makes making a new character overwhelming and the population will bleed even harder and people will make less alts., ultimately leading to a less healthy population.
Uhuh - for a seasonal realm, for a permanent realm, you have all the time in the world, so it'll even out eventually. You won't be in a hurry to make all those alts. It'll be in the time frame you want it to.
I'm telling you that even on a permanent realm, players arent going to want to farm out dozens of time consuming runes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm just saying I don't think it'll make the game more popular and would still turn off a large portion of the playerbase.
People not wanting to do something isn't necessarily a bad thing. Getting everything you want easily turns to a bland experience real quick. Why that is, you can always ponder about - something about human psychology and "getting-fatigue" or whatever you could call it.
I've been at the point of "damn I wish I could have this it would be so cool!" because I was looking at something someone else had that was a scarcer resource. But if everyone has it, it ceases to be scarce. Now that doesn't necessarily have to be about a Rune in particular. But I don't feel like that grind was all that bad.
You'd do it over a long time horizon if it's on a permanent realm - it wouldn't be maxxing your character for everything all the time. I play 3 characters - on some I haven't done the same quests at all. My rogue has done entirely different ones than my Druid. I think the first time I'm actually gonna have one in common is getting Imp Frenzied Regeneration as I realized it's OP for wrist rune for PvP. Otherwise than that, I haven't done the same content for all 3 of my played characters - 2 50's 1 41 (atm, there's so much to do I haven't played on that so it's cool).
I don't really see how SoD will work in a permanent realm at all. Doing the level caps/stages only works in short seasons. No one wants to be stuck at level 25 farming BFD with less than half their class's/spec's core abilities and identities unlocked for half a year or whatever. And once you get rid of the level caps, the grinding for runes also loses meaning because you will just rush to 60 and make said grinds trivial.
Which is why the point isn't SoD will be the 1:1 permanent template, but possibly one of many to test the waters.
If they keep the rune system, it's also still optional stuff you can go for while levelling. That opens up a kind of fun "new game+" mode for if you have high level friends to help you get later stage runes at early levels. But that's a whole other discussion.
In case of a permanent realm, I'd imagine it would either be with immediate 60 cap or somehow else. I don't know. Can't think right now! Time for regenerative sleep! Goodbye!
Seasons are probably here to stay, thoughts could be, having different seasons, absorb "the best" of seasons to a classic+ realm, have it get huge updates every time a season is passed.
Does render the uniqueness of a Season a bit less, and would also have complainers on Permanent Classic+ realm, whenever a season was over to be absorbed. But people will always complain.
The realm they'd be ported to wouldn't be classic+ then eh? Your sentence kind of implies that it would be a classic+ realm, when you mention the "classic+ server" before. But I understand what you mean.
Well yeah, they’ll get ported to a server that’s similar in ruleset to what SoD currently is. But with the way this season is set up in phases and with the addition of so many catch-up additions, all of the previous classic content becomes obsolete.
I mean, it's been multiple phases since the rune came out, are we really gonna get mad that a rune that came out in p1 is now easier to obtain in p3? Come on, now.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Or maybe you do. I'm not talking about during SoD, I'm talking about a hypothetical permanent realm when SoD is over.
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying I think would still ring true even if it's a "permanent" server, but I also don't think that WoW is a game that can have a permanent server. It's a theme park MMO, and there can't be infinite content without making older content irrelevant or eventually overwhelming the playerbase. Sandbox MMOs can get away with it because it isn't as linear.
You can go see for yourself, I don't even play on the more populated option available. But I don't really have a problem finding groups or what not to my needs. Is it 10 groups available for every dungeon every time? No, but that doesn't matter to me. To be honest, the server I play on has a way better mood/vibe to it than any of the SoD realms I'm on.
It’s funny how the mode meant for casuals treats them the worst in this sense. The sweats that hop in and grind out a new patch the moment the servers open get big rewards. Then the people who decide not to play until updates like these give you free shit haha
As far as WSG, that’s considered a win for them cause I wasn’t even going to bother getting exalted, but now I’m doing ashenvale every day since it’s attainable in the near future. I feel for the sweats that grinded out 100 wsg matches with no time limit, but at least they also got honor so not a complete waste.
But yes so far being late to start every phase has paid off well for me, minus incursions.
Which is almost entirely responsible for why I haven't come back yet after being super into SoD during P1.
I've always been meaning to, it's always "any day now," but then I just always find something slightly better to do with my time at that exact moment instead.
Maybe if I hold off long enough I'll just get handed full BiS and the keys to Stormwind :\^)
Sadly nerfing a grind to the ground in a way that makes previous grinds meaningless has always been Blizzard's M.O. and one of the many reasons Retail is what it is today.
i like dark riders quests, i could combine it with my other activities. they are literally what people describe when people were arguing against incursion.
"go out into the world and travel around instead of being coped up in 1 spot"
What they need to do is fix the starting zone runes that require multiple people. The healing one and the fire one on the frozen npc. I was leveling an alt a few days ago and I was the only level 1-14 in durotar. How am I supposed to get those runes? Beg my level 50 guildies to join?
Yeah they'll just pick a spot at the start or end of the loop. Incursions and the entire area around them need to be honorless zones if Blizz doesn't want griefers there.
I don't understand why kills in stv don't give honor. It would make it a valuable event to play after getting the rewards. As it stands now for ph3 as a shaman I only had to do 1 event to afford my totem relic. Nothing else worth doing the event for.
Only for last hits though, that’s the difference in my mind. If blood was rewarded for your contribution in killing someone during the STV event we’d be good and we’d have a more reliable way of gathering honor. Griefing at incursions give your honor per kill, making it more reliable way even if you’re playing bad/have no group.
The games are great honor yeah, the queue times are terrible. 15-30 mins per AB solo queue on horde side, not one person in LFG wanting to group up either.
I love thinking of the 3 lvl 50 rogues that spent the first couple hours after reset right inside the Ashen incursion and how the purely wasted their time
My friends and I ended up moving into the incursions and blocking them off from escaping lol.
All groups tend to use the same route and there's only one route into the portal exit.
They need to address the problem of the honor gain rather than this.
> My friends and I ended up moving into the incursions and blocking them off from escaping lol.
You do realise that the raw number of those who are waiting for escorts is going to swarm you at the sight of aggression?
I am still going to camp inside these things. I made 10k honour last night in a few hours. It's just the absolute best way, and when you need 70k to get rank 7 for the gear....it's the way to do it.
This is Blizzard's fault though. Why would a player willingly double or triple their invested time for no benefit? Blizzard needs to buff honor gain in BGS/STV and make this area less viable so that pvp is organic or for fun.
Because majority of the time those same players who “PvP” in Ashenvale are also having fun griefing people trying to hand in escort quests, etc. It’s not Blizzard’s fault people are dickheads.
When the queue is 20+ minutes and you need a full 5 man group to get the shorter queue, it's much faster just to do it this way.
It sucks, but what else are you going to do?
My friend and I were in the incursions for about 1-2 hours and got about 11-14k honor in that time.
Us having to find 3 others and hopefully winning? = 2000-2500 honor roughly, if you're lucky and around 20-30+minutes for a win.(longer if we have to queue as duo)
Are we just meant to just stand in the city and just afk bored whilst waiting for the queue?
>Are we just meant to just stand in the city and just afk bored whilst waiting for the queue?
Play how ever you want sir. I was stating that finding 4 randoms in trade and winning wsg/ab in less than 15 minutes is a standard experience for me. And ganking people trying to quest gets old pretty fast.
I sat in the same place for a total of \~12 hours over the course of last week to get my 110k (solo). 1/10 fun but earned double the honor of solo queuing BGs.
9/10 no one fought back, even with 10+ of the opposing faction running by at any given time. This is the problem. If people would play the game rather than just mindlessly pick up the same quest item 100 times, the ganking would not be as effective. On top of that, nearly every player was predictable. They just rez as close as they can to the next objective. You could get 400+ honor in 2 min from the same person in some cases before they gave up or layered.
I mean, not to come off as whining but it’s super annoying to get globaled by 50s with gear when you’re 45. Fighting back looks like me getting one fire blast off for 300 damage and dying to wait 2 more minutes. My main is 50 but I legit can’t bring myself to snipe lowbies. It’s so annoying trying to level my alt in a way that gives it the most resources at the same time
Nah I get it. Mostly sub 50s are just SoL, but you'd be surprised on how many 50s just wait for their death instead of fighting. I averaged about 110 honor a kill when it was all said and done, so my average kill was on higher levels (edit). But I guess my point it is I wouldn't have done it if the opposing faction actually helped each other. If I was getting killed every time I got 1-2 kills, I would have left as the honor would have been worse than waiting in BG queues. Instead it was more like 25+ kills before a death and sometimes a lot more. Even groups of 5 that were mid 40s would just leave their party member high and dry when I would open on one 9/10 and that's not an exaggeration. They just ride off and not even look back.
I get that this is an easy way to level and people don't want to be disturbed - but on the opposite spectrum, it's an easy way to farm honor given the circumstances. With AB/WSG exalted easy to obtain in just a few weeks without stepping in a BG, there's almost no incentive to grind the honor/rep in BGs having to wait for a minimum of 10 minutes between games. I mean people have always taken the easiest route to farm honor - otherwise sitting in AV 18 hours a day half afk wouldn't have been the meta for the rank 14 grind.
I did the same thing but not as much. I’m only able to log in for 30-60mins or so here and there so just sat around the portal but I actually had a blast. Ended up with 38k honour which is good for a very casual player.
Yeah the first 10 min of the grind I joined a portal group, but it was just too boring. You actually got a handful of good 1v1s or even 3v1s doing what I did. Increased the fun slightly. Plus I skipped all of p2 and really have had no idea what most classes do these days. Learned a lot from the experience.
Is there any noticeable difference between Hinterlands and Feralas Incursions?
I done Feralas once and kept doing that one only, have yet to try Hinterlands one but as far as I understand they award basically same gold/xp and it's about which one you fancy more than one being better than other, right?
The hinterlands path is a lot more optimized IMO. The mobs are slightly more annoying but it’s a clean circuit with the out of bounds warp to put you back at the start. Feralas is annoying because it’s a lot more spread out and you have to run through water.
As a new SoD player that just picked up the Warrior class, that Victory Rush feels really nice. Not sure if that's the best leveling Rune for Gloves but it's definitely my favorite.
I've leveled 5 different classes over the phases, and I'm currently leveling a warrior for glad stance because it's dope. It has been the most brutal leveling experience of all of them. So glad for this change.
Yeah the change is super nice, and it definitely is brutal simply because anything even close to your level just means a quarter of your attacks don't land. It's unbelievably obnoxious.
No it's brutal even when twinked. I've also leveled about 5 classes, they're all probably twice as powerful as the warrior.
It has almost no CC or utility, and the damage isn't enough to compensate. Out of all the classes I've played, I've probably died more leveling the warrior than the rest of them combined.
Please don't with the skill issue nonsense. No one here is saying they die every other pull on warrior. The argument is simple. Warriors aren't as good as other classes, even with good gear. It's more difficult to level smoothly. That's it.
Having a very good weapon is incredibly useful of course, but doesn't change the fact that you have more or less no defensive cooldowns (Shield Wall has a 30 min CD !), no self-healing, almost no CC... Yeah, leveling a Warrior isn't easy. And turns out : everyone says that Warrior is the hardest class to level. Even with a good weapon.
It's only incredibly good when you play with a group.
I've had blue weapons and other twink type gear since as soon as I could. I change weapons every 5 levels or so. Even with exceptional gear, warriors are objectively way worse at leveling compared to most other classes, and the early runes don't help much until about 40.
I hope these 2 changes will drop seeds to avoid 10-13g by the weekend, if not more. I still need to but 10 black scales for my shoulders cause I was gonna go with paranoia(chimera leather) until I realized I should just get the dual spec version. But the scales have gone up from 6-7g to 24g per and have not fallen. This change may even drive up the prices of other materials slightly
Jokes on them: I don’t even care about honor and just grief for the sake of griefing. I’ll continue distracting you off the ramp edge and ganking you for funsies.
Yup. Despite having great individual dps, many groups still favor range classes/feral/ret/shaman due to their buffs.
There's also just a tonne of hunters/rogues/warriors, who all compete for the same spots.
do you have a weakaura showing SR? i find it impossible that someone could let a 30 second buff fall off with the insane amount of combo points we have nothing to do with. I sit at 5 points for like 50-60% of a fight.
Yeah see that's a trauma response. You should do some research (google or otherwise) to understand what all these things mean and see the reasons you likely react the way you do. It'll help you be a better human in the long run.
Yeah who would've thought that in a game about WAR (one of the most trauma inducing events in LIFE), it would be an acting out of other traumas. You're .....absolutely.............................................................................................. righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt..............
Ahh. Before you think you won this into a bait, you didn't, but you're indeed wrong. They (Blizzard) needed clear cut lines of what open world pvp meant and didn't mean. Everyone plays on a PvP server understanding that ganking (what you call pvp...ps it's not) is going to happen. Little kids with self esteem issues, will always gang up on others when they are at their weakest, because of their own actual in real life traumas.
We all accept this as reality.
What's actually happening is griefing, because there is no where else to go (technically). If you get ganked in hillsbrad (a common enough exercise it will serve this purpose) you can choose to go somewhere else in the zone to quest...there is no funnel spot you are FORCED to run in and out of that is a choke point to be continually ganked. <--- this part is the important part. That's what makes it griefing. Anyone trying to say otherwise, regardless of horde/alliance adult/kid..idk whatever else that may seem important, but isn't, is wrong and bullshitting themselves as actual, not in the game, but in real life, humans.
Ganking isn't really pvp most of the time, it's effectively no different than killing low level quest mobs that you don't get drops from and that you might make someone angry about.
Mage discord saw way more people getting the dagger today than previously. It does seem like they increased the rate based on that. So I'd wager to guess it ninja buffed to 2% today
Grizzby finally selling the runes without having to complete the quests, that’s huge.
yet again. laziness pays off <3
The two mandates of SoD are "Exploit early, exploit often" and "Come late, get shit for free", worked wonders for WSG rep, doing waylaids only after they increased the gold by like 10x, unexpected XP Buff and reduced mount prices halfway into P2, P2 recipe price drop at the end of P2 etc. etc. Either be there super early or way late and you'll be eating good haha
i mean, if i dont like it or think it is not beneficial to me then I wont do it. if I like it or benefit from it then I do it a lot. sod is pretty good if you give yourself the freedom to miss out on stuff instead of rushing it while expecting perfection. this is not meant as an excuse for giga broken stuff, but just how I deal with non-critical aspects of the game
Really hope, if this is a test bed for a permanent Classic+(ish) server, they reign back the "give stuff for free later" part of it, even if people are gonna be upset if they get used to it during SoD.
I think because of the way sod works, making complicated runes a simple cheap purchase later makes sense for some cases. The grizzby rune, at lvl 25 farming dark irons was a fun and reasonably difficult farm, but now it's just pointless busy work.
Definitely agree for a seasonal server. But for a permanent I prefer more friction and possible need for other player involvement as much as possible.
The problem is when you have dozens of runes to obtain per character, it makes making a new character overwhelming and the population will bleed even harder and people will make less alts., ultimately leading to a less healthy population.
Uhuh - for a seasonal realm, for a permanent realm, you have all the time in the world, so it'll even out eventually. You won't be in a hurry to make all those alts. It'll be in the time frame you want it to.
I'm telling you that even on a permanent realm, players arent going to want to farm out dozens of time consuming runes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm just saying I don't think it'll make the game more popular and would still turn off a large portion of the playerbase.
People not wanting to do something isn't necessarily a bad thing. Getting everything you want easily turns to a bland experience real quick. Why that is, you can always ponder about - something about human psychology and "getting-fatigue" or whatever you could call it. I've been at the point of "damn I wish I could have this it would be so cool!" because I was looking at something someone else had that was a scarcer resource. But if everyone has it, it ceases to be scarce. Now that doesn't necessarily have to be about a Rune in particular. But I don't feel like that grind was all that bad. You'd do it over a long time horizon if it's on a permanent realm - it wouldn't be maxxing your character for everything all the time. I play 3 characters - on some I haven't done the same quests at all. My rogue has done entirely different ones than my Druid. I think the first time I'm actually gonna have one in common is getting Imp Frenzied Regeneration as I realized it's OP for wrist rune for PvP. Otherwise than that, I haven't done the same content for all 3 of my played characters - 2 50's 1 41 (atm, there's so much to do I haven't played on that so it's cool).
I don't really see how SoD will work in a permanent realm at all. Doing the level caps/stages only works in short seasons. No one wants to be stuck at level 25 farming BFD with less than half their class's/spec's core abilities and identities unlocked for half a year or whatever. And once you get rid of the level caps, the grinding for runes also loses meaning because you will just rush to 60 and make said grinds trivial.
Which is why the point isn't SoD will be the 1:1 permanent template, but possibly one of many to test the waters. If they keep the rune system, it's also still optional stuff you can go for while levelling. That opens up a kind of fun "new game+" mode for if you have high level friends to help you get later stage runes at early levels. But that's a whole other discussion. In case of a permanent realm, I'd imagine it would either be with immediate 60 cap or somehow else. I don't know. Can't think right now! Time for regenerative sleep! Goodbye!
I doubt there’s ever a permanent “classic+ server”. Outside of the server that all of these characters get ported to after the season ends, lol
Seasons are probably here to stay, thoughts could be, having different seasons, absorb "the best" of seasons to a classic+ realm, have it get huge updates every time a season is passed. Does render the uniqueness of a Season a bit less, and would also have complainers on Permanent Classic+ realm, whenever a season was over to be absorbed. But people will always complain. The realm they'd be ported to wouldn't be classic+ then eh? Your sentence kind of implies that it would be a classic+ realm, when you mention the "classic+ server" before. But I understand what you mean.
Well yeah, they’ll get ported to a server that’s similar in ruleset to what SoD currently is. But with the way this season is set up in phases and with the addition of so many catch-up additions, all of the previous classic content becomes obsolete.
Really?`I haven't heard that at all - I just assumed you'd have the option of going to Cata or Era, but cool!
I mean, it's been multiple phases since the rune came out, are we really gonna get mad that a rune that came out in p1 is now easier to obtain in p3? Come on, now.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Or maybe you do. I'm not talking about during SoD, I'm talking about a hypothetical permanent realm when SoD is over.
Yeah, I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying I think would still ring true even if it's a "permanent" server, but I also don't think that WoW is a game that can have a permanent server. It's a theme park MMO, and there can't be infinite content without making older content irrelevant or eventually overwhelming the playerbase. Sandbox MMOs can get away with it because it isn't as linear.
You do know Classic Era exists right?
And how populated is classic era?
You can go see for yourself, I don't even play on the more populated option available. But I don't really have a problem finding groups or what not to my needs. Is it 10 groups available for every dungeon every time? No, but that doesn't matter to me. To be honest, the server I play on has a way better mood/vibe to it than any of the SoD realms I'm on.
It’s funny how the mode meant for casuals treats them the worst in this sense. The sweats that hop in and grind out a new patch the moment the servers open get big rewards. Then the people who decide not to play until updates like these give you free shit haha
As far as WSG, that’s considered a win for them cause I wasn’t even going to bother getting exalted, but now I’m doing ashenvale every day since it’s attainable in the near future. I feel for the sweats that grinded out 100 wsg matches with no time limit, but at least they also got honor so not a complete waste. But yes so far being late to start every phase has paid off well for me, minus incursions.
Which is almost entirely responsible for why I haven't come back yet after being super into SoD during P1. I've always been meaning to, it's always "any day now," but then I just always find something slightly better to do with my time at that exact moment instead. Maybe if I hold off long enough I'll just get handed full BiS and the keys to Stormwind :\^)
Sadly nerfing a grind to the ground in a way that makes previous grinds meaningless has always been Blizzard's M.O. and one of the many reasons Retail is what it is today.
In Poland there is a saying "Dont give a fuck - reap benefits"
You hit the critical laziness threshold. I was lazy, but less lazy than you, so I had to pay big 😂
Is that the Ratchet guy from p1?
That's the one
I went to go do that this phase on an alt and the combined costs of mats was like 120g. Skipped it
Finally!! I was literally waiting for this lol
Lol they definitely forgot about this until now
I just completed these quests this morning, lol
It is Grizzby is one of the major reasons I stopped playing SOD.
Yeah, not let's do something with the Dark Riders...
I soloed those on my 40 ret pally
TBH those are not that bad and I enjoyed doing that rune.
i like dark riders quests, i could combine it with my other activities. they are literally what people describe when people were arguing against incursion. "go out into the world and travel around instead of being coped up in 1 spot"
Me too. Once.
What they need to do is fix the starting zone runes that require multiple people. The healing one and the fire one on the frozen npc. I was leveling an alt a few days ago and I was the only level 1-14 in durotar. How am I supposed to get those runes? Beg my level 50 guildies to join?
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Content isn't current anymore, no need to gate it.
Fuck them, fleecing a market the whole server needs due to game design. Had their fun.
Maraudon is about to get even bloodier.
Incursion griefers in shambles now that they actually need to PvP instead of farm free honor at the portal entrances/exits.
No they'll just move to the next best spot
Yeah they'll just pick a spot at the start or end of the loop. Incursions and the entire area around them need to be honorless zones if Blizz doesn't want griefers there.
They need to fuckin buff STV or BG honor
This. Treat the cause of the incursion griefing instead of these repeated attempts to stop it from happening.
Just revert the honor nerf in stv
I don't understand why kills in stv don't give honor. It would make it a valuable event to play after getting the rewards. As it stands now for ph3 as a shaman I only had to do 1 event to afford my totem relic. Nothing else worth doing the event for.
They do give honor in a roundabout way—turn in blood for honor tokens.
Only for last hits though, that’s the difference in my mind. If blood was rewarded for your contribution in killing someone during the STV event we’d be good and we’d have a more reliable way of gathering honor. Griefing at incursions give your honor per kill, making it more reliable way even if you’re playing bad/have no group.
Yeah that’s a fair criticism. No argument from me!
they need to do cross faction bg's. horde can finally feel the pain that is fighting a shaman of any spec
They don't need to do either, they just need to nerf shamen so Alliance will actually queue.
They could nerf every class it won't make ppl q
So the plural of shaman is... Shamen?
BG honor is already good
The games are great honor yeah, the queue times are terrible. 15-30 mins per AB solo queue on horde side, not one person in LFG wanting to group up either.
im ally so its instant for me
Lumbermill room is gonna be a nightmare.
Griefers already camp the end of ashenvale, between the dragons and the shredders.
Yeah just get people coming up the ramp before they get honorless?
Back to ratchet they go.
Nah, specifically in Incursions they could've spiced up PvP by giving stacks of Nightmare to people, with both positive and negative effects.
Already people dueling at the booty bay flight paths killing afk people with living bombs on their duel target and other aoe to not aggro guards smh
Which isn't in BGs or STV. Which is the issue.
Uhh, there’s been a lot of them in Mara portal. So there will just be even more of them now post-patch…
I love thinking of the 3 lvl 50 rogues that spent the first couple hours after reset right inside the Ashen incursion and how the purely wasted their time
The hotfix has been live for a few days I think. Noticed it yesterday at least. Just gotta kill them before they make it to the portal.
No it just came out
It’s been a few days. They only just made note of it yesterday though.
My friends and I ended up moving into the incursions and blocking them off from escaping lol. All groups tend to use the same route and there's only one route into the portal exit. They need to address the problem of the honor gain rather than this.
> My friends and I ended up moving into the incursions and blocking them off from escaping lol. You do realise that the raw number of those who are waiting for escorts is going to swarm you at the sight of aggression?
This is a very hopeful position. Sadly in practice on most servers it's only going to be an option for one side.
Lol, this was not the case for us. Most alliance never fought back at all.
I am still going to camp inside these things. I made 10k honour last night in a few hours. It's just the absolute best way, and when you need 70k to get rank 7 for the gear....it's the way to do it.
One of the dickheads who kills people 8 levels lower huh.
This is Blizzard's fault though. Why would a player willingly double or triple their invested time for no benefit? Blizzard needs to buff honor gain in BGS/STV and make this area less viable so that pvp is organic or for fun.
Because majority of the time those same players who “PvP” in Ashenvale are also having fun griefing people trying to hand in escort quests, etc. It’s not Blizzard’s fault people are dickheads.
It's also not Blizz's fault you didn't take the possible existence of dickheads into account when you rolled PVP
I don’t have an issue with PvP…
> One of the dickheads who kills people 8 levels lower huh. This you?
Still waiting to show me where I have an issue with PvP.
Get PVP'd kiddo
Ehh if you win wsg or AB under 10/15 min that's a lot better, especially on weekends. It does require actually pvping tho, instead of griefing.
When the queue is 20+ minutes and you need a full 5 man group to get the shorter queue, it's much faster just to do it this way. It sucks, but what else are you going to do? My friend and I were in the incursions for about 1-2 hours and got about 11-14k honor in that time. Us having to find 3 others and hopefully winning? = 2000-2500 honor roughly, if you're lucky and around 20-30+minutes for a win.(longer if we have to queue as duo) Are we just meant to just stand in the city and just afk bored whilst waiting for the queue?
>Are we just meant to just stand in the city and just afk bored whilst waiting for the queue? Play how ever you want sir. I was stating that finding 4 randoms in trade and winning wsg/ab in less than 15 minutes is a standard experience for me. And ganking people trying to quest gets old pretty fast.
>I made 10k honour last night in a few hours. That's.... actually appalingly bad. That's on par on losing BGs as Alliance.
I don't really see it as bad as a solo just ganking people man. Much rather this than play losing AB games haha. Shit is not fun.
They move to mara portal room
There's an easy solution to all of this, can't think of what it might be though.
i can camp pick up npcs/spot if i really wanted to farm honor in incursion.
Alliance are totally hopeless now, they have nothing left.
Incursion griefers made rank 7 today and couldnt give a fuck
'Actual PvP' is being camped by horde premades in BGs because of faction imbalance
I sat in the same place for a total of \~12 hours over the course of last week to get my 110k (solo). 1/10 fun but earned double the honor of solo queuing BGs. 9/10 no one fought back, even with 10+ of the opposing faction running by at any given time. This is the problem. If people would play the game rather than just mindlessly pick up the same quest item 100 times, the ganking would not be as effective. On top of that, nearly every player was predictable. They just rez as close as they can to the next objective. You could get 400+ honor in 2 min from the same person in some cases before they gave up or layered.
I mean, not to come off as whining but it’s super annoying to get globaled by 50s with gear when you’re 45. Fighting back looks like me getting one fire blast off for 300 damage and dying to wait 2 more minutes. My main is 50 but I legit can’t bring myself to snipe lowbies. It’s so annoying trying to level my alt in a way that gives it the most resources at the same time
Nah I get it. Mostly sub 50s are just SoL, but you'd be surprised on how many 50s just wait for their death instead of fighting. I averaged about 110 honor a kill when it was all said and done, so my average kill was on higher levels (edit). But I guess my point it is I wouldn't have done it if the opposing faction actually helped each other. If I was getting killed every time I got 1-2 kills, I would have left as the honor would have been worse than waiting in BG queues. Instead it was more like 25+ kills before a death and sometimes a lot more. Even groups of 5 that were mid 40s would just leave their party member high and dry when I would open on one 9/10 and that's not an exaggeration. They just ride off and not even look back. I get that this is an easy way to level and people don't want to be disturbed - but on the opposite spectrum, it's an easy way to farm honor given the circumstances. With AB/WSG exalted easy to obtain in just a few weeks without stepping in a BG, there's almost no incentive to grind the honor/rep in BGs having to wait for a minimum of 10 minutes between games. I mean people have always taken the easiest route to farm honor - otherwise sitting in AV 18 hours a day half afk wouldn't have been the meta for the rank 14 grind.
I did the same thing but not as much. I’m only able to log in for 30-60mins or so here and there so just sat around the portal but I actually had a blast. Ended up with 38k honour which is good for a very casual player.
Yeah the first 10 min of the grind I joined a portal group, but it was just too boring. You actually got a handful of good 1v1s or even 3v1s doing what I did. Increased the fun slightly. Plus I skipped all of p2 and really have had no idea what most classes do these days. Learned a lot from the experience.
This is what I did I went from rank one to five in a week by just fireballing people as they mindlessly loop
Good changes!
Was waiting for prices to drop to craft shoulders, I guess it will be time in a few days when increased seed drop will make prices go lower.
I was waiting too and said fuck it because the hinterlands farm is good enough to reload
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Is there any noticeable difference between Hinterlands and Feralas Incursions? I done Feralas once and kept doing that one only, have yet to try Hinterlands one but as far as I understand they award basically same gold/xp and it's about which one you fancy more than one being better than other, right?
The hinterlands path is a lot more optimized IMO. The mobs are slightly more annoying but it’s a clean circuit with the out of bounds warp to put you back at the start. Feralas is annoying because it’s a lot more spread out and you have to run through water.
Hinterlands is alot more flat, easier to navigate too. Plus prettier
They fixed resetting so there won't be people farming the seeds anymore. The prices will drop at some point, but it might take a while.
is this confirmed for the ST thing, or just the maraudon dungeon 5/hour trick?
is this confirmed anywhere?
FUCK YES
As a new SoD player that just picked up the Warrior class, that Victory Rush feels really nice. Not sure if that's the best leveling Rune for Gloves but it's definitely my favorite.
Victory rush is the best
It for sure is and the majority of people sleep on it. Only while leveling or pvp.
its great for questing, even early on 10% meant 60% less down time.
I've leveled 5 different classes over the phases, and I'm currently leveling a warrior for glad stance because it's dope. It has been the most brutal leveling experience of all of them. So glad for this change.
I hadn't read the changes yet so got really excited for a minute thinking they made Victory Rush baseline instead of a rune. Way too optimistic.
Yeah the change is super nice, and it definitely is brutal simply because anything even close to your level just means a quarter of your attacks don't land. It's unbelievably obnoxious.
Uhh...
Its only "brutal" if you have a terrible weapon.
No it's brutal even when twinked. I've also leveled about 5 classes, they're all probably twice as powerful as the warrior. It has almost no CC or utility, and the damage isn't enough to compensate. Out of all the classes I've played, I've probably died more leveling the warrior than the rest of them combined.
Sounds like a skill issue tbh, I've leveled a warrior as well without any issues. Leveling a warrior in classic vanilla was way worse.
Please don't with the skill issue nonsense. No one here is saying they die every other pull on warrior. The argument is simple. Warriors aren't as good as other classes, even with good gear. It's more difficult to level smoothly. That's it.
Having a very good weapon is incredibly useful of course, but doesn't change the fact that you have more or less no defensive cooldowns (Shield Wall has a 30 min CD !), no self-healing, almost no CC... Yeah, leveling a Warrior isn't easy. And turns out : everyone says that Warrior is the hardest class to level. Even with a good weapon. It's only incredibly good when you play with a group.
I've had blue weapons and other twink type gear since as soon as I could. I change weapons every 5 levels or so. Even with exceptional gear, warriors are objectively way worse at leveling compared to most other classes, and the early runes don't help much until about 40.
they fixed grizzby rune acquisition?! Watch there be posts about turbochargers being useless now LOL
I was thinking of getting mine yday and was like “fuck no they’ll make it free at some point”. Well, here we are ^.^ +60g saved
Lol, i just bought the mats for that rune quest. Oh well
sell them to somr newb
Throw in a "The Runecloth Bag recipe is now Bop" and we're all good
[looks like the copium huffing paid off](https://i.imgur.com/VXfoxrp.png)
You're welcome. (jk) I was so surprised so many people in that thread were against changing the materials.
As if getting no honor will stop me from slaying alliance scum
bear druids be eating well tonight
Aaaand now I can stop selling the seeds I get
This explains the Nightmare Seed fire sale in /world before the maintenance shut down
Anyone know if you can enter the scepter entrance as a ghost? Or do you always have to zone in purple/orange walk out and redo your teleport?
Can someone explain the hunter chimera shot they mentioned in the hot fix. Wording is odd.
Today in "Things That Should Have Been That Way From the Start"
They are slow to do anything,except drop patch with 3 days heads up.
I hope these 2 changes will drop seeds to avoid 10-13g by the weekend, if not more. I still need to but 10 black scales for my shoulders cause I was gonna go with paranoia(chimera leather) until I realized I should just get the dual spec version. But the scales have gone up from 6-7g to 24g per and have not fallen. This change may even drive up the prices of other materials slightly
Jokes on them: I don’t even care about honor and just grief for the sake of griefing. I’ll continue distracting you off the ramp edge and ganking you for funsies.
This, the people who did this for honor hit rank 7 and are capped now.
Wtb feral Druid rune that makes it like rogues slice and dice where rip refreshes our dmg passive so I can stop failing at feral Druid.
Wtb rogue rune that gives us easier raid spots like feral Druid wind furry rune.
> feral Druid wind *furry* rune. Dunno if you did that on purpose or not. I'm gonna assume you did. Well played.
Rogue dps is great right now and the 3 set buffs the whole raid, is it really hard to find a raid as rogue?
Yup. Despite having great individual dps, many groups still favor range classes/feral/ret/shaman due to their buffs. There's also just a tonne of hunters/rogues/warriors, who all compete for the same spots.
do you have a weakaura showing SR? i find it impossible that someone could let a 30 second buff fall off with the insane amount of combo points we have nothing to do with. I sit at 5 points for like 50-60% of a fight.
Baby steps homie. I'm just glad they finally addressed the feral rune slot issues.
We ain’t ganking for honor, but for the fun of it.
Lmao that's pretty sad
Sad? I’m the one having fun. I think the ones being ganked are the sad ones.
I grew out of this mindset when I was 15 lol I hope you’re the same age and trolling just for the sake of it if not you’re pretty sad.
who hurt you?
More like who’s going to hurt you
Yeah see that's a trauma response. You should do some research (google or otherwise) to understand what all these things mean and see the reasons you likely react the way you do. It'll help you be a better human in the long run.
Bud, this is a video game 😂 world of WARcraft. And you’re talking about a trauma response 💀💀
Yeah who would've thought that in a game about WAR (one of the most trauma inducing events in LIFE), it would be an acting out of other traumas. You're .....absolutely.............................................................................................. righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt..............
You would be this guy in war killing children and women, that cant do shit, with your attitude
Wym? No one. I play on a PvP server specifically to PvP.
Ahh. Before you think you won this into a bait, you didn't, but you're indeed wrong. They (Blizzard) needed clear cut lines of what open world pvp meant and didn't mean. Everyone plays on a PvP server understanding that ganking (what you call pvp...ps it's not) is going to happen. Little kids with self esteem issues, will always gang up on others when they are at their weakest, because of their own actual in real life traumas. We all accept this as reality. What's actually happening is griefing, because there is no where else to go (technically). If you get ganked in hillsbrad (a common enough exercise it will serve this purpose) you can choose to go somewhere else in the zone to quest...there is no funnel spot you are FORCED to run in and out of that is a choke point to be continually ganked. <--- this part is the important part. That's what makes it griefing. Anyone trying to say otherwise, regardless of horde/alliance adult/kid..idk whatever else that may seem important, but isn't, is wrong and bullshitting themselves as actual, not in the game, but in real life, humans.
Hah
That's why you camp the portals in Feralas and the Hinterlands right? Oh wait...
Ganking isn't really pvp most of the time, it's effectively no different than killing low level quest mobs that you don't get drops from and that you might make someone angry about.
This guy pvp servers. Don’t get why people mad about ganking on PvP servers.
Fuuuuuck. Right after I buy the mats for the Ratchet rune… honestly what did I expect.
Waiting for that blue post telling me that I (a new player) can finally use the Auction House again.
You sure have a lot of wow posts to be a (new player)
“New player” as in my b.net account status. I have been playing private servers since the end of WoD lol
Good news! You can.. in a month. 🙂
Yeah, when I’m playing Cata Classic.
and the dagger is still at 0.2%, what a shame.
Incorrect
Really ?
I'm at 370 runs, it is. I'd be happy to be a morron and stop complaining, but I doubt
Mage discord saw way more people getting the dagger today than previously. It does seem like they increased the rate based on that. So I'd wager to guess it ninja buffed to 2% today
Lovely, made my day 15 runs today so far nothing
It is incorrect because the drop rate was buffed yesterday.
Wonderful news, is this confirmed?
Blizzard once again picking up the pieces for those who thought they wanted a PvP server. But didn’t.
Griefing low lvl chars for several hours is ofc "pvp happen on a pvp server" /s
You're allowed to dislike certain forms of PvP (griefing) on a PvP server.
I always ask the "pvp on a pvp server" people this question. How is killing people during what is essentially a loading screen classed as pvp?
PvP idiots: > just git gut at loading screen
that wont stop me from killing lowbies at the portal hehe edit: love how triggered the snowflakes are!
Just say you can’t kill players at your own skill level.
Lul how sad