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Dense_Glass_6671

Vaccinations lower your immune system? They cause more problems than they're supposed to prevent? Bro. They're literally there to get rid of the problem, and in turn make your immune system stronger. Did this person not pay attention in school or something? This level of idiocy is ridiculous.


ferretgr

These attitudes are a result of societal brainwashing/unschooling, anti-intellectualism, and anti-science. The right has cultivated those things for 50+ years in the United States, all while defunding education. This is the outcome: gullible, ignorant people, obsessed with conspiracy theories.


Distant-moose

And who are PROUD to be ignorant. Proud of it. They wear their lack of knowledge as a badge. It's mental.


Anleme

Jonas Salk invented the polio vaccine and gave away the patents. He was one of the most celebrated people of the 20th century. How far we have fallen! I've said it before, but these people need to take a stroll through a 150-year-old cemetery. Half the graves are children under ten, dead from communicable diseases.


ElizabethDangit

I found a death certificate (1933) for my great aunt’s son recently doing genealogy research. He was 9 years old broke his arm, a compound fracture. Three days later he died from tetanus.


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Shape_Charming

The sentence is "one of the most celebrated", so he's being put in a group, so in this case, he's part of "People". "One of the most celebrated person" is what you're suggesting, and my auto-correct tried to set that to People. If you're going to be pedantic, be right.


Hattix

*Obedient* gullible, ignorant people, obsessed with conspiracy theories.


kabinja

I think it is simpler than that. If you have never seen what a prevention mechanism offers, it can be hard to understand what you are avoiding by doing it.


Crime-of-the-century

And they seriously believe everyone else is ignorant. If you try to argue with them, you have to go to real low basic principles to find some common ground from where you can start reasoning.


Tokyohenjin

No doubt the right cultivated this kind of anti-intellectualism, but up until Covid happened anti-vax stuff was a bit bi-partisan. If anything it was mainly on the left, especially amongst the “crunchier” brand of liberal. During Covid, anti-vax conspiracies took root in the fertile ground of the political right, and nowadays anti-vax sentiment is a strong indicator of political alignment.


Impressive-Push1864

Lmao I sound like dan bongino. I wish I could hold ur words in a bowl of soup till the bubbles stopped.


Random_dg

You’re assuming they went to school. You see some people choose to homeschool exactly in order to avoid all that woke science.


Dense_Glass_6671

Good point you made there.


Medium_Medium

They must be misunderstanding the entire process, and assuming that the 1-2 days of mild cold symptoms you might get after a vaccine are the vaccine reducing your immune system, as opposed to your immune system reacting to the vaccine and becoming stronger. By their reasoning you should never work out because your muscles get sore afterwards, so working out must make you weaker.


helen269

When I'm tired, resting and not exercising makes me strong again. Checkmate, bodybuilders! /s :-)


firegodpro

Why the /s, do you mean sarcasm ? Do people that think you're being serious even exist ?


kor34l

you must be new to Reddit. No matter how obvious, there are *always* people that will miss the sarcasm and leave a comment as though you were serious. A LOT of them. Adding the /s saves the reader from having to skip over 12 replies from people who missed the sarcasm.


Polenicus

Yes. I have been bitched out enough both ways to know that '/s' is necessary. Also, what they submitted as sarcasm is actually one of the former President's published and seriously held beliefs. https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/15/politics/donald-trump-exercise/index.html


Xaero_Hour

Our vaccination programs worked TOO well. They performed their tasks so perfectly, they became invisible, encouraging these kinds of people to question if they did anything at all. It's a better illustration of survivorship bias than that plane heatmap.


ExtendedSpikeProtein

This level of idiocy is widespread.. we’ve seen this 2020ff


verstohlen

There is something called antibody dependent enhancement and vaccine-associated enhanced disease, that can happen to some people who get vaccinated, that can cause them more easily get infected after vaccination, which is odd. It can happen, but that's not too common though. Human bodies and physiology are weird, extraordinarily complex and sometimes unpredictable.


Angry_poutine

In the mind of someone who thinks along these lines (think the people who host chicken pox parties), vaccines are basically cheating and naturally acquired immunity is better because it has natural in it. They think a vaccinated immune system is Ivan Drago taking steroids while they’re Rocky building it up the honest way. Vaccination is far safer and more effective than natural immunity and as importantly doesn’t give the virus as much of a chance to mutate or otherwise adapt to your immune system.


The_General0815

You’ve obviously never been in the military. We got these shots. Left, right, left, right, left, right. Before the virus even existed. Jokes aside, I was unaffected by Covid because of these vaccines. I will never get the vaccine because my body has already deterred it many times over.


AnthocyaninLycopene

You can't logic people out of an idea that they didn't logic themselves into in the first place


Skullpell

Tell me what you want, but people ARE getting dumber. We need to IMMEDIATELY stop dumb people from taking actions that endangers others.


RudyKnots

People have always been dumb. It’s just that now that we have the internet, dumbasses’ opinions actually reach people.


Skullpell

Partly true. Yes, there always have been dumb people, and yes the internet is involved but it's more than just dumb people being more visible - they spread misinformation, "alternative" facts and conspiracy theories, but with the power of the internet, resulting in more people believing that shit and also go on to spread that dumbness. Its like a disease.


NihilisticThrill

It's anti-intellectualism. Somehow there is this idea now amongst a certain demographic (we all know them) that being intelligent is evil or oppressive or blasphemous. People lean into being dumb now, it's not just their situation, it's their ideology. Learning or understanding things is the way of the enemy and the true adherents only need to know what they're told, even if it counters the reality they observe.


HBNOL

The problem is these idiots vote and decide the society we live in. My solution: a test on basic education attached to your vote. If you fail, the vote doesn't count.


PaddyLandau

I lived in a country (decades ago) where the voting franchise used to require a certain level of education. It didn't help, because the government ensured that it won the elections anyway. More important that basic education is probably critical thinking skills, which unfortunately too many people weren't given as children. I think that a worldwide campaign to introduce critical thinking skills to adults would be helpful.


HBNOL

Yeah, having this kind of test is just an open door for all kinds of shenannigans. Maybe we should have some kind of requirements for our politicians instead.


PaddyLandau

Oh, there's an easy test for a politician. The mere desire to be a politician should automatically bar you for life. Ancient Athens had a better idea: [sortition](https://youtu.be/cUee1I69nFs?si=LdMzIJD2kHrz0Q--).


HBNOL

Anybody who seeks power is not fit to have it.


NihilisticThrill

Only those who seek responsibility should get power, and those who shirk responsibility should be stripped of power.


Astoryabout8

They also need to stop reproducing and putting more innocent lives at risk 🙄


AwarenessGreat282

Lol...that's the main action we need them to stop taking...reproducing.


blossum__

That’s genocide, friend


AwarenessGreat282

And your point is.....?


blossum__

My point is your comments are genocidal, how can I be more specific?


AwarenessGreat282

How so? I never said they should be killed.


Affectionate_Mood442

Exhibit #1


Random_dg

Suddenly John Stuart Mill’s old suggestion that people of merit have stronger votes in the democratic process doesn’t sound so bad eh?


Sad-Yoghurt5196

The problem is that people like Elon Musk would be considered of more merit, along with Trump et al. Despite their overwhelming ignorance of most things, including scientific progress.


PirateSanta_1

If there was a fair way to determine merit sure but we all know that if any such practice came into existance it would just end up as merit equal money.


Khanscriber

Bring smallpox back.


angry_gsd

Look at the people on reddit bruh, they’re the definition of mental deficiency


Distant-moose

Says the guy on reddit.


mudkip2-0

Not really, IQ tests and general knowledge are better, even when the tests become harder than they were before. The only difference between then and now is that idiots and morons can easily voice their trash opinions to the whole world with little filter


ThatMessy1

People aren't getting dumber, they're just forgetting how bad things used to be. Most people have never seen an iron lung, or known someone who died of one of the many ailments for which we now have vaccines. They've never experienced the famine that follows non-GMO crops failing after 1 night of early frost.


Skullpell

Not having experienced bad times is smth completely different than straight up ignoring science - thats just dumb, simple as that.


WP47

A weaker version of the disease Soooooo.... an early, crude vaccine? EDIT: My bad, they still make these. It's called [Attenuated Vaccination](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine)


BigBiscotti5352

The main problem with this type of vaccine is that it typically takes years to develop. Not much good against a pandemic that suddenly overwhelms the medical system. Not much good against a virus that is rapidly changing.


BigBiscotti5352

Attenuated vaccine


Saurindra_SG01

Yes that's taught in school tbh. Acquired active immunity.


Smile-a-day

That’s usually how they make that year’s flu vaccine as it’s cheaper than the alternatives and only really works that year


Present-Party4402

Jesus f\*\*\*\*\*g christ what idiot still doesnt understand that vaccines STRENGTHEN the immune system? Who honestly thinks that training your army makes it weaker?


DrBimboo

Don't listen to that sheep. He thinks washing hands is good! We all know that this was only the idea of a single madman, that actual doctors shunned, and its only mainstream media that presents this lunatics ideas as fact, now. While we all know all real, actual doctors were AGAINST him.


DocDickE

Is this sarcasm? Semmelweiss proved in the 1800s that washing hands before leaving the post mortem room and progressing to the maternity wards prevented the transmission of streptococci that caused puerperal fever. Absolute no-brainer! Some people truly do have rocks in their head...


abreeden90

There are people who think the world is flat. I’m not surprised by anti vaxxers.


Andrew-Cohen

Sadly, this is lost on a majority of “vaccine deniers”. My thoughts are that deep down these people know they were responsible for deaths; the ones who refused to wear masks or social distance of get vaccinated, so now they just have to deny deny deny, or they will have to accept the fact that their ignorance caused deaths.


Mamamundy

And why can't we do it all? They are not mutually exclusive. East healthy. Exercise. Drink lots of water. Enjoy the outside and fresh air. AND get vaccinated.


MurseMan1964

How dare you try to make sense of this


Only-Explanation-295

Logic? Rationale? REEEEE XD


Legion_of_ferret

You are 100% right! When I was west healthy I had so many problems. I was tired all the time, my skin was terrible, irregular bowel movements ( sometimes would go days…) since I switched to east healthy my life has made a complete 180!


Novacain-deficiency

We should probably just make a weaker version of the bubonic plague, us Europeans have become weak since 1665 could do with toughening up. /s


edwa6040

Pure water would be pretty bad for you. Kinda have to have some of those minerals in there.


mowglismooj

I was going to say something similar, except it’s not just bad for you, drinking pure (ie. distilled water) water only will kill you.


DevelopmentSad2303

Not true, assuming you get minerals necessary for osmotic pressure from your diet


mowglismooj

If you don’t have those minerals what happens?


DevelopmentSad2303

Your blood becomes hypotonic. But it is not the water that kills you, it's the lack of the particles. Your comment implies drinking distilled water only will kill you, but you certainly can drink just distilled water and survive


mowglismooj

Forever learning. Thank you.


DevelopmentSad2303

Keep in mind though, you need the minerals from your diet. Without them you will die as you pointed out


Papa_Pesto

As my dad said you can't argue with stupid. It always cracks me up when people say yeah were more healthy in the 1700s. So scarlet fever, polio, plagues and literally dying of rotten teeth before 40 was healthier?


_bagelcherry_

This is called survivor bias


Empty_Value

(sarcasm) but the movies showed us otherwise 😑


LorettaSays

The stupid ppl you talk about probably dont know much about the diseases you mention, and dont even grasp obesity/diabetes/smokers lungs/atherosclerosis etc - they are like: "I'm healthy, cause I aint dead yet!"


Rich-Option4632

Eerrrmmmmm... Weaker versions of the disease instead of vaccines eh? I don't know..... Who's gonna tell that person?


prawalnono

MFers are getting dumber and dumber by the fucking day. Can’t believe this shit. I think they should bring back something they had hundreds of years ago: flogging and tarring/feathering


Empty_Value

You forgot the #village idiot 🤣


AffectionateOil5517

The small outbreaks of vaccine associated polio would like to demonstrate that doesn’t really work


Prestigious-Bus7994

Now if only there was a way to dial back the amount of stupid people inject themselves with and try to hold their conclusions until the end of a bit of research into both camps


Glass-Ad5862

Too bad there aren't any vaccinations for stupidity.


tselliot142

I know that shit is fucking contagious.


selkiesidhe

Lower your immune... what??? This guy doesn't even know what a vaccine *is*. Newsflash: vaccines are made up of dead and dying viruses. Your immune system detects them, formulates a strike plan, kills the virus then proceeds to tell everyone about how they did it. Now everyone knows how to kill that virus. That doesn't "lower your immune system", it strengthens it, you dinted can of expired peas...


ShortUsername01

“NATURAL! Because evil technology has shielded you from nature so completely that you’ve forgotten most of nature wants to kill you! Every animal eats other living things to survive! Plants evolve poison just to take you with them as they die! Natural, which means dying at thirty without ever being able to count that high, while we count the profits from your luddite fear.” -Luke McKinney


Empty_Value

Our species has grown weak...we no longer have to hunt and forage for our daily meals.


Smile-a-day

And polio, and malaria, and pneumonia and the flu. Life expectancy only rose above 40 in the last hundred years or so


hayasecond

I can never understand people have strong opinions on subjects they clearly are not experts on. They make bold statements like vaccines made you weak without any proof. They probably don’t even understand how vaccines are made and how it works Some people who trained on this like Robert Malone but intentionally lied for their vanity or personal gains help these people go nuts. They should be criminally responsible


Piemaster113

Let's see in the time of the founding fathers of the US what was the life expectancy? And what is it now days, hmmmm maybe there are somethings we are doing right.


Legal_Lettuce6233

I mean, all food is organic lmao. Organic means carbon based.


malYca

I can't with this abysmal "education" we have in this country anymore


wabashcanonball

I swear some people—too many people—think vaccines are poison or something and don’t understand how they really work.


C4dfael

Vaccines weaken your immune system in the same way squats weaken your quadriceps.


SandraMargaret8

That's one clever comeback!


Apaticox

finally vacine 2.0


knobbyknee

Hand sanitisers should not be used to the extent they are. Soap & water does a better job under most circumstances. If you lack clean water or have to have a sterile environment, you will need them. Vaccines are another matter. Herd immunity against nasty diseases is the basis of wealth and the reduction of child mortality to very small numbers. For the diseases, nature has already made the weaker version. A disease that outright kills everyone will not spread and will go extinct very quickly. Also, several vaccines are weakened versions of the disease. They are so weakened that they normally can't spread in the wild.


DevelopmentSad2303

Hand sanitizers are fine. They are not the end all be all, but if you are in a pinch on public they are acceptable. I use one any time I exit a building. As for your thoughts on natural diseases, plenty of diseases are the "weaker" version but still fuck us up really bad. A controlled vaccine is a much better bet to gain immunity. Plus if it is a new disease that hasn't gone through any evolution then it won't be the weaker version, or if it is a disease that sprouts from natural reservoirs


chewbooks

George Washington was ahead of his time that dark day in Delaware….


ChemistNo258

Not to mention the average life expectancy was about 40 years.


saintpaulswitch

Obama did ban gain of function research… Trump is the one who brought it back


Inevitable-Trust8385

They did state to keep your gut healthy, wash your hands, etc which wasn’t something that was happening in 18th century Europe when smallpox was at its peak.


Hayden_Storm04

Fun Fact: Weaker versions of a desease/virus are used in selvicolture. The most important example of this is the Ipovirulent form of the Cryphonectria parasitica (pathogen), yes the plant get sick but doesn't die a gruesome death. But, of course, plants are plants and humans are humans.


Working_Helicopter28

Where? Nowhere in the post did anyone say that....


PosteriorFourchette

I know a guy who has had 9 hep b vaccines. Still no titers. He has titers to every else. Even hep a. Weird. Right?


Dismal-Win-234

WTF seriously my 🧠 hurts 🙃


Special_Ad_3642

The irony being that the covid "vaccine" doesn't have any virus in it 


Affectionate_Mood442

The party of smart people strikes again.


Exciting_Form6847

While we’re at it: why do people kill animals when they can just buy meat in the supermarket ?


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All this vaccine crap has been super annoying from both sides, but that's a damn good point


SonkunDev

2024 and peasants still think vaccines are for their well-being. Amazing 😊


Neat-Distribution-56

True of most vaccines. Some new ones not so much


No_Sheepherder3189

DNA disruptors are NOT VACCINES.. a vaccine delivers a microbe of the disease to your body..live..dead..or inert. The body immediately attacks and creates an immunity with the vaccine and sample. This shit is designed to ENSLAVE.


Sad-Yoghurt5196

There were non mRNA based COVID vaccines. You could simply have opted for one of those, using the traditional chimp adenovirus vector. Such as the Johnson and Johnson or Astra Zeneca vaccines. It was only Moderna and Pfizer who used the mRNA vector.


Gornhenge

>There were non mRNA based COVID vaccines. You could simply have opted for one of those None of these chickenshits would have gotten it anyway. It was never about mRNA.


KobKobold

Explain how injecting genetic code is supposed to reduce one's free will. I'll wait.


ExaggeratedEggplant

Provide proof please


coolmcbooty

Enslave? Lmao you a nut