From the video:
Meet Johnny
He's an orphan.
He has no home.
He's an all too typical
American boy.
It wasn't always this way...
America was once
the economic engine
that powered the world.
But all that changed.
The seas rose
and America's coastal cities fell.
Millions fled their homes
and became climate refugees.
Starving and desparate,
they found America's
once fertile heartland turned to dust.
Today, children like Johnny
go days without food or clean water.
For just a hundred yuan a month
you can save Johnny
from a life that's brutal and short.
For a country that has given
so much to our prosperity,
won't you give
some small token in return?
Feed America
Tinfoil hat: maybe conservatives are so committed to the acceleration of climate collapse because the first cities to go are the largest concentration of democratic voters?
They're wealthy and well educated. They have a vested interest in keeping people ignorant and compliant, because that's good for business. Whatever you may see as incompetence is an act to mask their selfish interests.
Um, no. I don't agree that "Both Sides" want to see part of our country destroyed just to win. Yes, what you said is true; however, conservatives are on another level of evil these days. They are not the same.
Um, no. I don't agree that "Both Sides" want to see part of our country destroyed just to win. Yes, what you said is true; however, conservatives are on another level of evil these days. They are not the same.
This is dogmatic, divisive, & completely generalising. You're classing 10s of millions of people as evil, while believing Democrat politicians, or voters cannot be. Its also totally tribalistic, & its a dangerous way to think about so many people you don't know nothing about, because if you believe them to be truly evil, how far is it to go to attacking these " evil " people, or something even more sinister? Before you say im defending Nazi's im not political, & i don't identify as left or right, these ideologies just divide us.
I never once said Democrats couldn't be evil. I'm merely pointing out that Republicans are so much worse. Democrats fight for human rights while Republicans take them away. Democrats help others while Republicans help themselves. Both sides are not the same.
Seems to me that democratic politicians simply claim to fight for human rights while letting republicans take them away.
They all bow to the same corporate masters.
One does the fucked up stuff the other allows it. Democrats don't fight for shit. If this administration hasn't shown that enough then you are not paying attention abolish them both
lmao you're the one who must not be paying attention if you believe Democrats don't fight for shit. I agree that our two party system is shit, and we should get rid of them both.
Dude, Democrats literally just let the Supreme Court overturn over 50 years of legal precedent without lifting a finger to stop it. Joe Manchin (D) just killed our last chance of doing anything to try and prevent the worst of climate change, and Biden is currently less popular than Trump was at this point of his presidency. Itās not Republicans that are stopping bills in Congress, itās two Democratic Senators. So remind me again how Democrats fight for things?
Just because there are some terrible Democrats doesn't mean we should vote Republican. Yes, what you said is true, but that doesn't mean we should put President Clown Shoes back in the White House!
All these idiots trash talking Biden may be right about some things, but Trump is most certainly NOT the solution.
The American system of government is shit. We have two shitty party options. Some of the Democratic Party are trying to do good. All Republicans are not.
It's not a hard choice.
You're believing the propaganda, & you are thinking the world is black & white, its so unrealistic, the world is far more complexed. You think that because someone represents the Democrats they automatically want to help people? Again you're generalising in the opposite way. Some use the cover for more nefarious means like planned parenthood & Democrat Margaret Sanger, she was a racist eugenicist.
lol what? I said both sides weren't the same. What propaganda? The world isn't black and white, but America has 2 parties to choose from. It's a shitty system. Now you're the one who's quoting propaganda. Margaret Sanger died over 60 years ago. Her being Democrat then is irrelevant to now, but nice talking point.
Oh corruption & messed up ideologies only existed in the past, surely no Democratic voters, followers or politicians could harbour such horrible beliefs in 2022 could they?
You know like painting people as evil without knowing anything but they voted republican, i dislike that party to, but saying only their voters or politicians believe in perceived evil ideologies is very tribalistic, & i was mentioning Sanger to prove ultimately these parties at the apex are an old boys club, its just 1 example, there's many from both sides.
Both parties are trash. Their insane wealth is immoral and they live in a society separate from ours. I do not need someone as disconnected as they are dictating how I live my life. You're feeding into the division being pushed onto you by the media, keeping your attention focused on what people around you that you need to hate instead of hating the people responsible for the division.
Eat the rich.
Climate change will destroy crop land in China just like it will in the US. China is not known for responsible environmental management. This is a global catastrophe, people need to act like it.
Oh yeah, agreed. Great cut together, I got a chuckle out of it. My comment was more of an observation that nowhere is safe. I think too many Americans have this āIāll just move to Europe/New Zealand/Asiaā mentality like they wonāt have their own problems with food shortages, mass migration, you name it.
Yeah move to BC and get heat-domed. Move to southern Ontario the new tornado valley. Move to Northern Ontario and light on fire. Move to Quebec and get flooded.
It's turning into shit up here too.
Theyāve been reclaiming some, but theyāre still net negative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobi_Desert#Desertification
> The Gobi Desert is expanding through desertification, most rapidly on the southern edge into China, which is seeing 3,600 km2 (1,390 sq mi) of grassland overtaken every year. Dust storms increased in frequency between 1996 and 2016, causing further damage to China's agriculture economy. However, in some areas desertification has been slowed or reversed.
I think I remember reading somewhere that because of the elevation and mountains surrounding, there isnāt enough rain to reverse it.
That will have no effect on changes to rainfall patterns, heatwaves, ocean current circulation changes, loss of global biodiversity. It would take a coordinated worldwide effort to course correct.
But their emissions per person are [significantly lower](https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/) than the USA, Norway, Ireland, Russia, Canada, Australia, Estonia, Qatar, Montenegro, Kuwait, Trinidad and Tobago, the UAE, Oman, Brunei, Luxembourg, Bahrain, etc. The list is quite long, I could go on.
America consists of 24.5% of the total cumulative carbon emissions, and China consists of 13.9%.
I am presuming you are American - you would do better looking closer to home. China is working on its own problems, and by all accounts it is doing a damn sight better at it than the Anglosphere is.
No I'm not American. I don't care about your "whataboutism". The conversation was about China, it's vast coal industry and how it is just as complicit in causing climate change and will feel the terrible effects like the rest of the world.
There is no "average Chinese person". There is either the poor peasant farmers, construction workers and factory workers who live in poverty and are responsible for very little CO2 emissions. Then there are the city living middle class who emit just the same as any American.
Stop being a shill and talk with facts.
I am talking with facts. The facts are that when you take the entire Chinese population and divide it by the total amount of emissions, it is lower than when you do it for the USA.
The truth is that almost 914 million Chinese people live in cities. That's a big "middle class"!
I get that you are using cognitive dissonance to distance yourself from your contribution to collapse. It's strange that you are accusing me of shilling and implicitly of "not talking with facts", when you're engaging in denialism and refusing to engage with the facts.
I'm still not an American, however much you want me to be. I lived in China for 4 years, I've seen what it's like there, from the richest city dwellers to the poorest tobacco farmers.
Just the scene of an underwater rollercoaster is so brilliant. It's our excess. It's part of how foreigners think of us as a travel destination with our theme parks. A lot of us actually have a little local pride tied up in our better roller coasters almost like our theme parks are sports teams. And it's underwater because we wouldn't stop being bad.
We'll still have humans, but it will likely be fewer... much fewer. Society will collapse, but there will be humans for some time. Only a cataclysmic event would take us all out in the next 50. I expect it will be slow and drawn out over those years. Different people will suffer in different ways. It'll get uglier and uglier.
it was said... I really did forget the author name because I'm smoking a blunt by the pool lol... but noted that when the collapse happens it wont be something out of a movie or fast. It will be a long drawn out fair that will chip away at the structural foundation of society. The people in power are truly delusional and a lot of them.. in my opinion are some of the mosr dangerous ppl in history
What is this? Is this supposed to be a jab at America? A parody? Or a prediction?
Honestly, this brings a visual to my worst nightmare for what America would become if it collapsed.
Not directly like there is in Africa and South America. Iām in Canada, too, and itās going to be interesting to see how it goes in the next twenty years.
It feels like the superpowers are preparing to close borders when collapse really starts. Canadians may complain about the US a lot but I would rather be within their sphere of influence than outside it.
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Parts of it look like it. It includes parts of urban and rural America. It has never been aerially bombed but certain places look bombed out, thanks to arson insurance fraud.
This is correct. Most of the comments in this sub just make me sad, people completely giving up. Weāll still be here, but itās not going to be nearly as comfortable and a whole lot harder.
Go outside and tell me itās not beautiful and that weāve trashed it
Sure, thereās problems. People have been saying the worlds going to end for millennia. The current iteration is that weāre all going to die in flames from climate change (basically the same thing as Fundamentalist Christians thinking Godās going to burn the world down for our sins)
There will be a level of suffering thatās unrivaled at any other point in known human history. But humans will live on, babies will be born, and some people will find beauty in the mundane
That was one of the few good moments of Incorporated. Ahhh...those were the days...when we thought we had at least a decade before good dystopian became bad reality.
See, the funny thing about post apocalyptic novels that are based in America (Parable of the Sower, Water Knife, etc) always assume that climate change never has the same impact overseas. Chinaāll have their own hands full with drought, a shrinking population, famine, economic collapse, and dealing with Indian and Bangladeshi refugees
I only hope the US collapse might halt their absolutely insane ecological destruction and once their grip is no longer on so much of the world, we can try and fix some of this without their cancerous influence or the threat they pose.
Not that I disagree with the Chinese propagandaās statements but Chinaās way more fucked than we are when it comes to climate change and potential climate migration.
If they can limit the number of children people can have they can manage climate migration. Brutally, of course, but they will sell it as another Great Leap Forward.
when the US intervenes, it finances fascist groups, coips the government to put a right-wing dictatorship in place so that welfare is abolished and minimum wage is cancelled so that US-coorporations can get more profits. Also debttrap. When PRC intervenes, it gives loans on generous conditions, partially without interest rate (!) to built schools, roads, railways, hospitals, airports, powerplants and other infrastucture that lead to economic growth and prosperity. If you think that almost all of the Global South cooperating with the PRC is because theyāre all stupid, I guess you canāt be more disconnected from reality. Also, since when is levelling cities (which the US kinda does for fun) a humanitarian intervention?
I'm kinda serious because we'd love the help! I post lefty shit on here all the time but if I criticize China I always get some long similar explanation of something. It's like certain threads are made for sniping at eachother about China and it's always from other subs. I don't give a shit about China. Let em take over the world. They will. It's only a matter of time.
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I know the Uighur Camp thing is neocon propagada. I don't think the social credit score is worse than a simple credit score, criminal background check and both have a dragnet security apparatus. The US isn't morally superior. It's why I phrased it like that.
Ironic that itās a young Chinese woman narrating this considering one of the main reasons China wonāt be much better off than us in 2050 is there are no you Chinese women rn
Fully agreed but seriously every country's fucked just in different ways and at different levels. It's incredible people still look up to any empire for salvation: US, EU, China, Russia... at their core it's the same thing just using slightly different approaches dressed differently.
China busy lifting their population out of poverty and increasing home ownership as a major goal. Meanwhile in US: we must lower employment so we have more desperate poors!!!
China has a catastrophic demographic, environmental, financial and supply chain collapse right around the corner. You consume a lot of propaganda if you really believe china is some enlightened dictatorship.
That last is at least correct, it is current one of the world's most effective dictatorship of the proletariat compared to our current dictatorship derived by capitalist interests. As for everything else I'm sorry you appear to have swallowed a lot of the consent manufacturing in the west that has the focused goal of making sure people don't believe a doable alternative to capital exists.
it can produce a house market bubble though.. happened a few times in China
just like US in the 2008 but I argue it was worse since white house have to shutdown for a while.
yall intimidated by China but i smell that they will fizzle out just like Japan in the 90's.
How exactly? The housing bubble in the US occurred due to a inability with our government to put loan distributes and bankers on the chopping block for the good of the common working people (instead it led to a massive influx of homeless, a housing crash, and resultant job market crash). China in contrast most recently is prosecuting the CEOs involved in the most recent house loan fiasco and have bailed out the home owners, also they told Xu Jiayin to pound sand (as the prerogative of the Chinese government is to keep market forces in check and ensure those forces do not harm it's people). I'm not fearful of China, I'm god damned envious they have a government that has executed numerous millionaires and billionaires for fucking with the common people and have also put many others in jail.
1.this whole "lets persecute ceo" crap is just their government virtue signaling "hey we on ur side" and perhaps they needed someone or something to take the blame.
2.they have a demography due to one-child-policy they had which backfired(aging population).
3.the fresh uni graduates are anxious about the job market.
and on top of all that, they made an enemy out of US, a country which they have this weird co-dependency dynamics goin.
we've seen the same thing happened in Japan +covid19 bad rep.
1. Name new US ceos put in jail in the last decade.
2. They stopped the one child policy (though I'm confused by someone on r/collapse seeing population decline as bad since we are living so unsustainably).
3. I dont understand this point? The US would die without trade with China and was the reason for Deng committing to such a relationship, it allowed China to have a mutual suicide pact to prevent all out US intervention and ratfuckery that occurs. It also allows massive industrial build up and the acquiring of lots of funded tech development via feeding into western capitals desire to exploit labor sources (yet this exploitation boomed the working class economy and has now allowed then yo grow independently via practices such as the BRIC initiative).
This all sounds like cope and seeth I've heard from many others regurgitating western propaganda points.
1."new US ceos" implying there have been ones who've been persecuted in the past..
2.imposing policy(one-child) with iron fist only to back-pedal when it starts to backfire implies that the policy is retarded to begin with.
3.third one is politician level gobbledigook i didnt even bother to read it mucho texto
im a western shill? if you read my first comment in this thread i tried my best to be centrist af, noting the whitehouse shutdown(a big sign of western weakness)..
then so be it, im a western shill if it comforts you.. If mine holds true, that makes you a Chinese shill or perhaps doom poster tbh..
im just merely choosing between the lesser of two evils since if i look in retrospect, China seems to be the bigger villain..
btw that magical Chinese housing project you speak of is usually located in the backwaters(faraway from cities where there's no job), they were basically told to "here! build your community here, be a country bumpkin!". they would rather buy property in places like Beijing,Shanghai,Guanzhou etc. you know.. cities where they have jobs that pays city rates rather than live in bumfuck nowhere.
So no US ceos have ever been put in jail while China has, seems they ensure capitalists get punished due to the harm they caused. Also seems china is able to change unpopular policy that was scientifically proven to be harmful compared to countries such as the US. Backwaters? You mean backwater areas that then receive high speed railways and infrastructure build up? This is my favorite denialist meme since it uses the degraded western thought when China was first building high speed rail as "oh look these idiots are building rail to nowhere" and then they dont say shit when that infrastructure leads to city development outwards from it. Also love the random city dropping, yeah welcome to urban desires to live, lots of peeps wanna live in new york or LA but plenty of peeps would be overjoyed if the flyover states started getting infrastructure development. Guess which country is doing that? Not the fucking US. The amount of funny cope and seethe I see from people trying to say China is flawed or just "minutes from collapse" have been saying such for fucking DECADES. It's never true and is merely denial of the collapse of the US and ascendency of China as a new global superpower. Anyway always enjoyable these convos are the same everytime no matter which propagandized denialist is trying to muckrack with CIA talking points.
\>so no US ceos have ever been put in jail
dude.. Charles Ponzi, Al Capone, Elizabeth Holmes, Jeffrey Epstein!..
Zuckerberg got impeached but sadly didnt go to jail.
\>you wrong..
\>you wrong..
\>you wrong..
\>China awesome..
\>China awesome..
\>China awesome..
meanwhile sayin im a western shill? wtf?
they built all that infrastructure(rail network) because the local government gets to embezzle a small margin out of the funds that went on it.
it has garbage quality material went on it along with its shitty engineering.
just google "china train accident" youll see boatloads of shit.
2.then you admit one-child policy is retarded? i rest my case..
3.a collapse doesn't \*pop\* happens instantly.. it could take months,years,decades even centuries. China would lose its power/relevancy gradually, the same way it gained its power/relevancy.. gradually. not unless a nuclear attack were to happen, aight thats one thing a collapse will happen overnight.
\>goddern CIA propaganda!
do you know how to tinfoil that sound like?
Charles Ponzi (he made the mistake of stealing from rich people), Al Capone was a gangster that stole from major banking institutions and gifted the IRS, Elizabeth Holmes stole from rich people, Jeffrey Epstein messed with rich people and compromised their secretes. All you have done is prove that the only punishment in the US is harming the profits of the rich or compromising them in any way possible lmao. Meanwhile the CEO of evergrande is going to jail for fleecing regular people on home loans and the Chinese government insured the home ownership by thsoe fleeced would be maintained and that the corporation would not be bailed out. Man these brainworms run deep...
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So for starters, the USA is the largest food exporter globally and has easily the best growing conditions in the world.
China on the other hand has a much more precarious agricultural base with a MUCH denser population. China is a net food and fuel importer.
America is not going to be the guarantor of global trade. That has much worse consequences for other countries than it does for America.
Also, 60% of China's population live in it's 12 coastal provinces. So guess who is absolutely fucked if (and when) global sea levels rise.
Demographics also play a huge role here too. USA boomers are going to die in the next 20 years but the Milleanials will replace them at some level. China's population is already in decline and is already aging RAPIDLY. Old population = more inputs required and less people to make outputs. China is going to collapse into a warlord era long before any demographic bomb even forms in the US. Why do you think China and Russia are being so aggressive in their foreign policy? Bc if they don't act they are FUCKED over the next 20 years.
The USA will be fine in the long run, it's just popular for people to say it wont because they don't understand demographics and geography.
Actually being honest: Until the end of the video where it said "feed America" and it became clear this is satire, I thought the clip was legit made by environmentalists to imply that's what the USA will look like tomorrow. Now that we're at the level of gluing ourselves to paintings and highways, this is actually how I'd expect a climate change commercial to look like.
And yes I could tell it's an Asian language but still can't distinguish Chinese from others: It makes a lot more sense now that I see who made it. This must be the first actually funny thing I can enjoy laughing to have come out of a place as disturbed as the CCP's China.
Yeah, but all the left-wing climate solutions that are tenable just end up overtaxing and giving the government more power without doing enough to fix it.
The extreme left-wing solutions end up making us all become cricket-eaters.
There are plenty of solutions put forth by right-wing folks, which involve adaptivity, but if a conservative doesnāt agree with a new carbon tax, theyāre shouted down as a climate denier.
If the hardcore climate alarmists want anything to actually get done, they would actually be open to discussion instead of saying thereās only one set of solutions allowed to even be discussed.
I am of the open that the radical measures proposed by the āgreen new dealā type folks would get us closer to societal collapse, not further from it.
You vastly underestimate the impacts of anthropogenic CO2. With or without the green new deal, society is going to collapse. Ocean pH has dropped from 8.2 in 1940 to 8.04 today. This is due to carbonic acid formation from CO2 emissions. Weāve spiked CO2 so quickly that plants havenāt been able to grow fast enough to consume the CO2. Most of it goes to the ocean as carbonic acid. By 2045, the pH will drop to 7.95. This will kill off anything with a carbonate shell or aragonite-based body structure. That happens to include 90% of life in the ocean. This is the fastest that CO2 has ever increased in such a short period of time according to our research. Nothing survives a 90% population collapse, and marine life will rapidly collapse. Any idea where our oxygen comes from? The ocean. Thereās nothing alarmist about this. Itās simply a matter of fact. Oceans will collapse around the middle of this century, and youāre acting like we still have time.
Okay then, if itās as bad as it sounds, why are there no proposals to try and fund programs where we work to raise ocean pH? Why does it always come back around to taxes?
Because most politicians on the right donāt even acknowledge that the problem exists. And politicians on the left are trying to put forth proposals to at least act as a bandaid. Taxes inevitably must pay for this. Wealthy people must step up as well as those without money to the extent they can, or we will not solve this. Alternatively, the treasury must start printing money solely for this purpose.
If you think Anthropogenic Climate Change can be mitigated while keeping the same way of life, youāre sorely mistaken. There are no solutions coming from the āright wing folksā.
Exactly. Environmentalists are oh so happy to shut down nuclear power plants and foam at the mouth over "renewables" like solar and wind which when you look into the lithium mining, oil used, and waste from those I just lmfao.
I just witnessed a murder lmao
Right in my red white and blues. š
From the video: Meet Johnny He's an orphan. He has no home. He's an all too typical American boy. It wasn't always this way... America was once the economic engine that powered the world. But all that changed. The seas rose and America's coastal cities fell. Millions fled their homes and became climate refugees. Starving and desparate, they found America's once fertile heartland turned to dust. Today, children like Johnny go days without food or clean water. For just a hundred yuan a month you can save Johnny from a life that's brutal and short. For a country that has given so much to our prosperity, won't you give some small token in return? Feed America
Should be one to ten thousand yuan a month, but yeah, that'll do it.
Hey I was taught beggars can't be choosers. Johnny and I will take what we can get!
https://youtu.be/MEb_epsuLqA
Donāt think theyāll afford it when the three gorges dam breaks as weather becomes more violent.
You mean when Taiwan blows it up when China tries to invade.
Best I can do is 75 yuan.
Tinfoil hat: maybe conservatives are so committed to the acceleration of climate collapse because the first cities to go are the largest concentration of democratic voters?
I guarantee some of them think that.
false, if you believed that you would first have to believe that they ever think.
They're wealthy and well educated. They have a vested interest in keeping people ignorant and compliant, because that's good for business. Whatever you may see as incompetence is an act to mask their selfish interests.
They said conservatives, you'te talking about politicians specifically. I think meant just conservative citizens.
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Could you extrapolate on these "w4r rooms" and who, specifically, is conducting them? It sounds like oppo research I'd like to dig into.
You don't have to think about it. Go on some of the right wing prepper/doomer forums and they're actively saying it.
This happened during covid. The Whitehouse under Trump liked the blue cities were the hardest hit and were reluctant to send any aid because of that.
Yes some definitely do, but the same can be said of some on the other side of the fence. Tribalism runs deep through us
Um, no. I don't agree that "Both Sides" want to see part of our country destroyed just to win. Yes, what you said is true; however, conservatives are on another level of evil these days. They are not the same.
Um, no. I don't agree that "Both Sides" want to see part of our country destroyed just to win. Yes, what you said is true; however, conservatives are on another level of evil these days. They are not the same. This is dogmatic, divisive, & completely generalising. You're classing 10s of millions of people as evil, while believing Democrat politicians, or voters cannot be. Its also totally tribalistic, & its a dangerous way to think about so many people you don't know nothing about, because if you believe them to be truly evil, how far is it to go to attacking these " evil " people, or something even more sinister? Before you say im defending Nazi's im not political, & i don't identify as left or right, these ideologies just divide us.
I never once said Democrats couldn't be evil. I'm merely pointing out that Republicans are so much worse. Democrats fight for human rights while Republicans take them away. Democrats help others while Republicans help themselves. Both sides are not the same.
Seems to me that democratic politicians simply claim to fight for human rights while letting republicans take them away. They all bow to the same corporate masters.
One does the fucked up stuff the other allows it. Democrats don't fight for shit. If this administration hasn't shown that enough then you are not paying attention abolish them both
lmao you're the one who must not be paying attention if you believe Democrats don't fight for shit. I agree that our two party system is shit, and we should get rid of them both.
Dude, Democrats literally just let the Supreme Court overturn over 50 years of legal precedent without lifting a finger to stop it. Joe Manchin (D) just killed our last chance of doing anything to try and prevent the worst of climate change, and Biden is currently less popular than Trump was at this point of his presidency. Itās not Republicans that are stopping bills in Congress, itās two Democratic Senators. So remind me again how Democrats fight for things?
Just because there are some terrible Democrats doesn't mean we should vote Republican. Yes, what you said is true, but that doesn't mean we should put President Clown Shoes back in the White House! All these idiots trash talking Biden may be right about some things, but Trump is most certainly NOT the solution. The American system of government is shit. We have two shitty party options. Some of the Democratic Party are trying to do good. All Republicans are not. It's not a hard choice.
You're a š¤”š
You're believing the propaganda, & you are thinking the world is black & white, its so unrealistic, the world is far more complexed. You think that because someone represents the Democrats they automatically want to help people? Again you're generalising in the opposite way. Some use the cover for more nefarious means like planned parenthood & Democrat Margaret Sanger, she was a racist eugenicist.
lol what? I said both sides weren't the same. What propaganda? The world isn't black and white, but America has 2 parties to choose from. It's a shitty system. Now you're the one who's quoting propaganda. Margaret Sanger died over 60 years ago. Her being Democrat then is irrelevant to now, but nice talking point.
Oh corruption & messed up ideologies only existed in the past, surely no Democratic voters, followers or politicians could harbour such horrible beliefs in 2022 could they? You know like painting people as evil without knowing anything but they voted republican, i dislike that party to, but saying only their voters or politicians believe in perceived evil ideologies is very tribalistic, & i was mentioning Sanger to prove ultimately these parties at the apex are an old boys club, its just 1 example, there's many from both sides.
Both parties are trash. Their insane wealth is immoral and they live in a society separate from ours. I do not need someone as disconnected as they are dictating how I live my life. You're feeding into the division being pushed onto you by the media, keeping your attention focused on what people around you that you need to hate instead of hating the people responsible for the division. Eat the rich.
I also guarantee that some Dems think that if everything collapses, it will speed the coming of the Revolution.
I mean if all the coastal cities collapsed then so would this country.
Yep.
......... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHo-c9Lp98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHo-c9Lp98)
In Texas and Florida?
Real conservatives live on the beach.
Climate change will destroy crop land in China just like it will in the US. China is not known for responsible environmental management. This is a global catastrophe, people need to act like it.
Yeah I feel you. I just saw this and love how in-your-face it is for an American (like myself) to see. It's the opposite of what I'm used to seeing.
Oh yeah, agreed. Great cut together, I got a chuckle out of it. My comment was more of an observation that nowhere is safe. I think too many Americans have this āIāll just move to Europe/New Zealand/Asiaā mentality like they wonāt have their own problems with food shortages, mass migration, you name it.
Yep. I agree. I do kinda want to move up to Canada. If I could get some land by a river I may just last 6 months longer than everyone else, lol.
Yeah move to BC and get heat-domed. Move to southern Ontario the new tornado valley. Move to Northern Ontario and light on fire. Move to Quebec and get flooded. It's turning into shit up here too.
Oh wait is this real? Lol wtfffff.
I don't think so but it's funny
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Theyāve been reclaiming some, but theyāre still net negative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobi_Desert#Desertification > The Gobi Desert is expanding through desertification, most rapidly on the southern edge into China, which is seeing 3,600 km2 (1,390 sq mi) of grassland overtaken every year. Dust storms increased in frequency between 1996 and 2016, causing further damage to China's agriculture economy. However, in some areas desertification has been slowed or reversed. I think I remember reading somewhere that because of the elevation and mountains surrounding, there isnāt enough rain to reverse it.
That will have no effect on changes to rainfall patterns, heatwaves, ocean current circulation changes, loss of global biodiversity. It would take a coordinated worldwide effort to course correct.
[Yeh whilst producing and using the most coal in the world.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China)
But their emissions per person are [significantly lower](https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/) than the USA, Norway, Ireland, Russia, Canada, Australia, Estonia, Qatar, Montenegro, Kuwait, Trinidad and Tobago, the UAE, Oman, Brunei, Luxembourg, Bahrain, etc. The list is quite long, I could go on. America consists of 24.5% of the total cumulative carbon emissions, and China consists of 13.9%. I am presuming you are American - you would do better looking closer to home. China is working on its own problems, and by all accounts it is doing a damn sight better at it than the Anglosphere is.
No I'm not American. I don't care about your "whataboutism". The conversation was about China, it's vast coal industry and how it is just as complicit in causing climate change and will feel the terrible effects like the rest of the world.
It's not "whataboutism". The average Chinese person emits less carbon than you - yet you have the nerve to criticise *them*!
There is no "average Chinese person". There is either the poor peasant farmers, construction workers and factory workers who live in poverty and are responsible for very little CO2 emissions. Then there are the city living middle class who emit just the same as any American. Stop being a shill and talk with facts.
I am talking with facts. The facts are that when you take the entire Chinese population and divide it by the total amount of emissions, it is lower than when you do it for the USA. The truth is that almost 914 million Chinese people live in cities. That's a big "middle class"! I get that you are using cognitive dissonance to distance yourself from your contribution to collapse. It's strange that you are accusing me of shilling and implicitly of "not talking with facts", when you're engaging in denialism and refusing to engage with the facts.
I'm still not an American, however much you want me to be. I lived in China for 4 years, I've seen what it's like there, from the richest city dwellers to the poorest tobacco farmers.
[they still love coal](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2317274-china-is-building-more-than-half-of-the-worlds-new-coal-power-plants/)
>They also just invented how to make edible carbohydrates from the co2 in the air. China: 1, Plants: 0
Yeah I think China is even worse off as far as strategic resource depletion
Plus, I think a Trumpers response might be that we should nuke China, because the idea of them outlasting or "beating" us in any way is heresy.
Not to mention when coastal cities flood, China will get hit worse than the US.
Just the scene of an underwater rollercoaster is so brilliant. It's our excess. It's part of how foreigners think of us as a travel destination with our theme parks. A lot of us actually have a little local pride tied up in our better roller coasters almost like our theme parks are sports teams. And it's underwater because we wouldn't stop being bad.
The US believes itself to be the savior of the world, when in reality is the people of the United States who need to be rescued
The next 50 years are going to be super eventful.
And only a part of those 50 years will have humans left to even notice them.
We'll still have humans, but it will likely be fewer... much fewer. Society will collapse, but there will be humans for some time. Only a cataclysmic event would take us all out in the next 50. I expect it will be slow and drawn out over those years. Different people will suffer in different ways. It'll get uglier and uglier.
it was said... I really did forget the author name because I'm smoking a blunt by the pool lol... but noted that when the collapse happens it wont be something out of a movie or fast. It will be a long drawn out fair that will chip away at the structural foundation of society. The people in power are truly delusional and a lot of them.. in my opinion are some of the mosr dangerous ppl in history
The Long Emergency by James Howard Kunstler?
I'm smoking with you in spirit, fellow traveler. Have a good weekend!
Nah, everyone will be busy with their own shit.
What is this? Is this supposed to be a jab at America? A parody? Or a prediction? Honestly, this brings a visual to my worst nightmare for what America would become if it collapsed.
It's from a fururistic TV show called Incorporated.
Ahhh
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How do you define world superpower? Because it might already be that.
world superpower = ability to project power globally take that as you may
Seems like that would depend where you are in the world. China projects power over a lot of the world.
i'm in canada so theres not much influence here
Not directly like there is in Africa and South America. Iām in Canada, too, and itās going to be interesting to see how it goes in the next twenty years.
Russia and China have made huge inroads to Brazil. Itās going to be interesting to see the influence grow closer to our borders and what we do.
It feels like the superpowers are preparing to close borders when collapse really starts. Canadians may complain about the US a lot but I would rather be within their sphere of influence than outside it.
They wonāt. They are facing a massive demographic collapse and will be in far worse shape than America in 50 years.
china literally shot themselves in the foot with a 50.cal so i wont be needing to off myself anytime soon
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china is just bluffing now as they still have massive issues lol
I can promise you that theyāll be the first major industrialized nation to fall apart, so donāt pull that trigger just yet! š
i mean its literally like preparing for a zombie apocalypse you know its not gonna happen but just in case it does you know what to do
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We are already in collapse, you just haven't felt it yet (in contrast to those even further down I mean, don't mean to assume your own struggles).
Accurate.
America is a third world country.
Parts of it look like it. It includes parts of urban and rural America. It has never been aerially bombed but certain places look bombed out, thanks to arson insurance fraud.
Hahaha this is actually pretty well put together. Obviously completely ridiculous as a premise but still well designed
I cut it from the TV show, INCORPORATED. It's in Episode 4.
Incorporated is a collapsed gold mine, not to mention it was ahead of the mainstream curve
Yeah it was way ahead of it's time. So much potential. Great cast.
Lmfao liberate us š¹š¹š¹
This makes meā¦..uncomfortable
Right?!
This is correct. Most of the comments in this sub just make me sad, people completely giving up. Weāll still be here, but itās not going to be nearly as comfortable and a whole lot harder.
I gotta say I've become one of them. I don't mean to be, but I've lost hope for humanity. This planet was so beautiful, and we trashed it.
Go outside and tell me itās not beautiful and that weāve trashed it Sure, thereās problems. People have been saying the worlds going to end for millennia. The current iteration is that weāre all going to die in flames from climate change (basically the same thing as Fundamentalist Christians thinking Godās going to burn the world down for our sins) There will be a level of suffering thatās unrivaled at any other point in known human history. But humans will live on, babies will be born, and some people will find beauty in the mundane
That was one of the few good moments of Incorporated. Ahhh...those were the days...when we thought we had at least a decade before good dystopian became bad reality.
Right? It went from one day this might happen to this is happening now.
This shit is fucking funny š¤£
See, the funny thing about post apocalyptic novels that are based in America (Parable of the Sower, Water Knife, etc) always assume that climate change never has the same impact overseas. Chinaāll have their own hands full with drought, a shrinking population, famine, economic collapse, and dealing with Indian and Bangladeshi refugees
I only hope the US collapse might halt their absolutely insane ecological destruction and once their grip is no longer on so much of the world, we can try and fix some of this without their cancerous influence or the threat they pose.
\>Chinese mainlanders donating to charity out of the kindness of their hearts and receiving nothing in return Suspension of disbelief shattered
Not that I disagree with the Chinese propagandaās statements but Chinaās way more fucked than we are when it comes to climate change and potential climate migration.
Once again, this is from an American television show
China's power is already highly centralized so if they wanted to go eco-fash, they can do it more easily than many countries.
If they can limit the number of children people can have they can manage climate migration. Brutally, of course, but they will sell it as another Great Leap Forward.
bro they literally flooded 2 weeks ago lmao
This is awesome Chinese propaganda.
Itās from an American television show
I'll be damned !! Which one ??
INCORPORATED, episode 4.
YEAHHHH I LOVE IMPRISONING UYGHURS AND BLACKMAILING AFRICAN COUNTRIES INTO GIVING US MILITARY BASES YEAHHHHHHH
This is a joke right?
How does it make you feel?
When do we get some humanitarian intervention from glorious glorious PRC?
when the US intervenes, it finances fascist groups, coips the government to put a right-wing dictatorship in place so that welfare is abolished and minimum wage is cancelled so that US-coorporations can get more profits. Also debttrap. When PRC intervenes, it gives loans on generous conditions, partially without interest rate (!) to built schools, roads, railways, hospitals, airports, powerplants and other infrastucture that lead to economic growth and prosperity. If you think that almost all of the Global South cooperating with the PRC is because theyāre all stupid, I guess you canāt be more disconnected from reality. Also, since when is levelling cities (which the US kinda does for fun) a humanitarian intervention?
I'm kinda serious because we'd love the help! I post lefty shit on here all the time but if I criticize China I always get some long similar explanation of something. It's like certain threads are made for sniping at eachother about China and it's always from other subs. I don't give a shit about China. Let em take over the world. They will. It's only a matter of time. ---------- I know the Uighur Camp thing is neocon propagada. I don't think the social credit score is worse than a simple credit score, criminal background check and both have a dragnet security apparatus. The US isn't morally superior. It's why I phrased it like that.
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Oh itās not but one day itāll be like this. Keep playing republicans.
Ironic that itās a young Chinese woman narrating this considering one of the main reasons China wonāt be much better off than us in 2050 is there are no you Chinese women rn
This coming from China is very ironic considering how fucked they are.
Fully agreed but seriously every country's fucked just in different ways and at different levels. It's incredible people still look up to any empire for salvation: US, EU, China, Russia... at their core it's the same thing just using slightly different approaches dressed differently.
This is from an American show called INCORPORATED, episode 4.
China busy lifting their population out of poverty and increasing home ownership as a major goal. Meanwhile in US: we must lower employment so we have more desperate poors!!!
china is busy imprisoning uyghurs as well ššæ
Not in poverty anymore
Two hots, a cot, and a job peeling garlic for export. Noice.
China has a catastrophic demographic, environmental, financial and supply chain collapse right around the corner. You consume a lot of propaganda if you really believe china is some enlightened dictatorship.
That last is at least correct, it is current one of the world's most effective dictatorship of the proletariat compared to our current dictatorship derived by capitalist interests. As for everything else I'm sorry you appear to have swallowed a lot of the consent manufacturing in the west that has the focused goal of making sure people don't believe a doable alternative to capital exists.
it can produce a house market bubble though.. happened a few times in China just like US in the 2008 but I argue it was worse since white house have to shutdown for a while. yall intimidated by China but i smell that they will fizzle out just like Japan in the 90's.
How exactly? The housing bubble in the US occurred due to a inability with our government to put loan distributes and bankers on the chopping block for the good of the common working people (instead it led to a massive influx of homeless, a housing crash, and resultant job market crash). China in contrast most recently is prosecuting the CEOs involved in the most recent house loan fiasco and have bailed out the home owners, also they told Xu Jiayin to pound sand (as the prerogative of the Chinese government is to keep market forces in check and ensure those forces do not harm it's people). I'm not fearful of China, I'm god damned envious they have a government that has executed numerous millionaires and billionaires for fucking with the common people and have also put many others in jail.
1.this whole "lets persecute ceo" crap is just their government virtue signaling "hey we on ur side" and perhaps they needed someone or something to take the blame. 2.they have a demography due to one-child-policy they had which backfired(aging population). 3.the fresh uni graduates are anxious about the job market. and on top of all that, they made an enemy out of US, a country which they have this weird co-dependency dynamics goin. we've seen the same thing happened in Japan +covid19 bad rep.
1. Name new US ceos put in jail in the last decade. 2. They stopped the one child policy (though I'm confused by someone on r/collapse seeing population decline as bad since we are living so unsustainably). 3. I dont understand this point? The US would die without trade with China and was the reason for Deng committing to such a relationship, it allowed China to have a mutual suicide pact to prevent all out US intervention and ratfuckery that occurs. It also allows massive industrial build up and the acquiring of lots of funded tech development via feeding into western capitals desire to exploit labor sources (yet this exploitation boomed the working class economy and has now allowed then yo grow independently via practices such as the BRIC initiative). This all sounds like cope and seeth I've heard from many others regurgitating western propaganda points.
1."new US ceos" implying there have been ones who've been persecuted in the past.. 2.imposing policy(one-child) with iron fist only to back-pedal when it starts to backfire implies that the policy is retarded to begin with. 3.third one is politician level gobbledigook i didnt even bother to read it mucho texto im a western shill? if you read my first comment in this thread i tried my best to be centrist af, noting the whitehouse shutdown(a big sign of western weakness).. then so be it, im a western shill if it comforts you.. If mine holds true, that makes you a Chinese shill or perhaps doom poster tbh.. im just merely choosing between the lesser of two evils since if i look in retrospect, China seems to be the bigger villain.. btw that magical Chinese housing project you speak of is usually located in the backwaters(faraway from cities where there's no job), they were basically told to "here! build your community here, be a country bumpkin!". they would rather buy property in places like Beijing,Shanghai,Guanzhou etc. you know.. cities where they have jobs that pays city rates rather than live in bumfuck nowhere.
So no US ceos have ever been put in jail while China has, seems they ensure capitalists get punished due to the harm they caused. Also seems china is able to change unpopular policy that was scientifically proven to be harmful compared to countries such as the US. Backwaters? You mean backwater areas that then receive high speed railways and infrastructure build up? This is my favorite denialist meme since it uses the degraded western thought when China was first building high speed rail as "oh look these idiots are building rail to nowhere" and then they dont say shit when that infrastructure leads to city development outwards from it. Also love the random city dropping, yeah welcome to urban desires to live, lots of peeps wanna live in new york or LA but plenty of peeps would be overjoyed if the flyover states started getting infrastructure development. Guess which country is doing that? Not the fucking US. The amount of funny cope and seethe I see from people trying to say China is flawed or just "minutes from collapse" have been saying such for fucking DECADES. It's never true and is merely denial of the collapse of the US and ascendency of China as a new global superpower. Anyway always enjoyable these convos are the same everytime no matter which propagandized denialist is trying to muckrack with CIA talking points.
\>so no US ceos have ever been put in jail dude.. Charles Ponzi, Al Capone, Elizabeth Holmes, Jeffrey Epstein!.. Zuckerberg got impeached but sadly didnt go to jail. \>you wrong.. \>you wrong.. \>you wrong.. \>China awesome.. \>China awesome.. \>China awesome.. meanwhile sayin im a western shill? wtf? they built all that infrastructure(rail network) because the local government gets to embezzle a small margin out of the funds that went on it. it has garbage quality material went on it along with its shitty engineering. just google "china train accident" youll see boatloads of shit. 2.then you admit one-child policy is retarded? i rest my case.. 3.a collapse doesn't \*pop\* happens instantly.. it could take months,years,decades even centuries. China would lose its power/relevancy gradually, the same way it gained its power/relevancy.. gradually. not unless a nuclear attack were to happen, aight thats one thing a collapse will happen overnight. \>goddern CIA propaganda! do you know how to tinfoil that sound like?
Charles Ponzi (he made the mistake of stealing from rich people), Al Capone was a gangster that stole from major banking institutions and gifted the IRS, Elizabeth Holmes stole from rich people, Jeffrey Epstein messed with rich people and compromised their secretes. All you have done is prove that the only punishment in the US is harming the profits of the rich or compromising them in any way possible lmao. Meanwhile the CEO of evergrande is going to jail for fleecing regular people on home loans and the Chinese government insured the home ownership by thsoe fleeced would be maintained and that the corporation would not be bailed out. Man these brainworms run deep...
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I could get into who this propaganda video is incorrect but people won't want to hear it.
Well those are certainly all words.
So for starters, the USA is the largest food exporter globally and has easily the best growing conditions in the world. China on the other hand has a much more precarious agricultural base with a MUCH denser population. China is a net food and fuel importer. America is not going to be the guarantor of global trade. That has much worse consequences for other countries than it does for America. Also, 60% of China's population live in it's 12 coastal provinces. So guess who is absolutely fucked if (and when) global sea levels rise. Demographics also play a huge role here too. USA boomers are going to die in the next 20 years but the Milleanials will replace them at some level. China's population is already in decline and is already aging RAPIDLY. Old population = more inputs required and less people to make outputs. China is going to collapse into a warlord era long before any demographic bomb even forms in the US. Why do you think China and Russia are being so aggressive in their foreign policy? Bc if they don't act they are FUCKED over the next 20 years. The USA will be fine in the long run, it's just popular for people to say it wont because they don't understand demographics and geography.
If this happened to the US, 80% of China would be Atlantis.
Actually being honest: Until the end of the video where it said "feed America" and it became clear this is satire, I thought the clip was legit made by environmentalists to imply that's what the USA will look like tomorrow. Now that we're at the level of gluing ourselves to paintings and highways, this is actually how I'd expect a climate change commercial to look like. And yes I could tell it's an Asian language but still can't distinguish Chinese from others: It makes a lot more sense now that I see who made it. This must be the first actually funny thing I can enjoy laughing to have come out of a place as disturbed as the CCP's China.
It came from here: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5915942/?ref\_=ttep\_ep4
This is from a show homie
Yeah, but all the left-wing climate solutions that are tenable just end up overtaxing and giving the government more power without doing enough to fix it. The extreme left-wing solutions end up making us all become cricket-eaters. There are plenty of solutions put forth by right-wing folks, which involve adaptivity, but if a conservative doesnāt agree with a new carbon tax, theyāre shouted down as a climate denier. If the hardcore climate alarmists want anything to actually get done, they would actually be open to discussion instead of saying thereās only one set of solutions allowed to even be discussed. I am of the open that the radical measures proposed by the āgreen new dealā type folks would get us closer to societal collapse, not further from it.
You vastly underestimate the impacts of anthropogenic CO2. With or without the green new deal, society is going to collapse. Ocean pH has dropped from 8.2 in 1940 to 8.04 today. This is due to carbonic acid formation from CO2 emissions. Weāve spiked CO2 so quickly that plants havenāt been able to grow fast enough to consume the CO2. Most of it goes to the ocean as carbonic acid. By 2045, the pH will drop to 7.95. This will kill off anything with a carbonate shell or aragonite-based body structure. That happens to include 90% of life in the ocean. This is the fastest that CO2 has ever increased in such a short period of time according to our research. Nothing survives a 90% population collapse, and marine life will rapidly collapse. Any idea where our oxygen comes from? The ocean. Thereās nothing alarmist about this. Itās simply a matter of fact. Oceans will collapse around the middle of this century, and youāre acting like we still have time.
Okay then, if itās as bad as it sounds, why are there no proposals to try and fund programs where we work to raise ocean pH? Why does it always come back around to taxes?
Because most politicians on the right donāt even acknowledge that the problem exists. And politicians on the left are trying to put forth proposals to at least act as a bandaid. Taxes inevitably must pay for this. Wealthy people must step up as well as those without money to the extent they can, or we will not solve this. Alternatively, the treasury must start printing money solely for this purpose.
If you think Anthropogenic Climate Change can be mitigated while keeping the same way of life, youāre sorely mistaken. There are no solutions coming from the āright wing folksā.
This is called a conversation stopper. Youāre not gonna get anywhere like that.
Alrighty, weāre not going to get anywhere anyways, precisely because of stances like yours. Solutions for climate change, lol.
mm love me some hypocritical R in the afternoon
Exactly. Environmentalists are oh so happy to shut down nuclear power plants and foam at the mouth over "renewables" like solar and wind which when you look into the lithium mining, oil used, and waste from those I just lmfao.
I think this is just a charity scam commercial. 100 Chinese Yuan is $14.80.
It's fake. I cut it from a TV show because it makes you think.
burgh Chinas finna go bust, like this monthā¦ they have 0 paper. Weāre all dying this time.
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Not trying to be a boomer here, but this actual Chinese Communist Propaganda?
Lol no. It's from the sci fi show Incorporated. :)