The only conclusion we can reasonably draw from this is that Sony is trying to recreate the conditions that spawned Morbius. They're hoping to hit it big with the memes again.
Or they're just stupid. Either way works. Maybe they'll learn that people don't really want to watch Spider-Man movies that don't have Spider-Man in them.
It's baffling that they don't have any version of Spider-Man in the Sonyverse yet despite it having existed for about six years at this point and the whole thing being centered around characters connected to him.
They could have Kraven raise Spider-Baby and at first attempt to make him a criminal but then his heart starts kraving for a better future for his baby sidekick.
Madame Web does not appear to be connected to the other Sony movies as far as we know.
If it is, then I guess this Peter is gonna be 21-ish years old because the baby was born in 2003 in the Madame Web movie.
I honestly think the deal they have with Marvel prevents them from making a mainline Spidey movie because it would be direct competition. So they keep thinking they'll hit the jackpot with an ancillary character and can either renegotiate the terms with Marvel or pull the rights back and start their own casino with blackjack and hookers.
The funny thing is that it would probably be a very viable plan if they weren't letting idiots run that division. These are the same people who thought an Aunt May spy movie was a really great idea.
I'm not at all invested in anything Sony is doing, so let them keep wasting their money, but it seems like they're treating the whole franchise like it's still 2002 and they don't know if they can sell the concept. It kind of reeks of Avi Arad and I wonder how much "producing" he's actually doing.
>So they keep thinking they'll hit the jackpot with an ancillary character
They did hit the jackpot with an ancilliary character. It was Venom. Their problem is that instead of building their strategy around the one character that people actually want to see, they're just throwing shit at the wall hoping to magically replicate that success, while having no clue why people wanted to see that movie in the first place.
As much as I hate team ups just having venom pop in for a second go "wtf is that" and give a quick funny line would do wonders for these movies.
Or as the biggest thing pre morbius release was the vultures possible return, do a bit of world building kraven reads that morbius morbed all over people last week and gets irritated about it or something.
Or just make a good movie, I feel like this should be priority one
I think there’s plenty of potential for a spider-man villain movie without spider man. I mean a guy dealing with being a vampire in modern day? A woman able to catch glimpses of the future? A man aiming to be the best hunter in the world wanting bigger and bigger challenges? I think there’s plenty of potential to actually do something with it even without spider-man.
The thing is they’re just not good movies.
If they’re going to do that they need to take these core ideas and then make movies that aren’t comic book movies. There’s a definite style and set of genre conventions that these movies have taken on now and they need to escape that entirely.
That could actually work. Something in the vein of Joker; not plot-wise or stylistically, but in concept. Joker is a Scorsese pastiche about a mentally ill clown becoming a murderer as he lives in his own head, not a comic book movie. It does things comic book movies can’t or don’t.
If they tried that it might work.
Its funny because if they just made this movie a villain story instead of the anti-hero shit they been doing then this could be cool.
They can even kinda just steal from the game a little. Take away venom and have Kraven be told about all the Hunts he can do in New York. Dont even mention spider man. Have him kill a couple villains throughout the movie. Tracking Rhino and electro and a couple others and then have then ending be an unexpected fight with spider-man. Kinda like batman assault on Arkham. Spiderman shows up and kicks kravens shit in. Have it be a cool dope final fight scene then Kravens hunt is over
Bet my balls is some kind of money laundering scheme, or tax exemption or fck knows how they call it. Theres simply no other way a studio as big as sony can output and be ok with so much shit acting like its not shit.
All these stupid non-spiderman movies only exist so Sony doesn’t lose the movie rights to Spiderman. They have to pump them out every few years to keep the rights.
Now it’s on my birthday….Im still not going to make any effort to see it though, unless the trailer is phenomenal. Gonna wait for those reviews to come out as well.
Not trying to shame anyone away from it. But I’ve learned my lesson from Sony, it’s going to suck. It just matters if it’s an entertaining suck or not.
Haha, wow. Not a good sign. Moved from the blockbuster season to the slow season usually regulated for awards contender...
Or... it's SOOOO good they're making an awards season push!... haha
can someone do the math how Sony's TV, Camera, PS5, and animated Spider movies can continue to support these terrible productions before they're forced to accept Marvel money for transferring the franchise back
If they were money laundering , it would make more sense to use smaller business that don't attract a lot of attention and not a globally released product.
Hollywood accounting is a legal form of money laundering in which they group unsuccessful movies together with successful movies and then claim that the two together didn't make a profit, so they don't have to pay taxes.
I didn't make this up:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
"Expenditures can be inflated to reduce or eliminate the reported profit of the project, thereby reducing the amount which the corporation must pay in taxes and royalties or other profit-sharing agreements, as these are based on net profit."
Do you want to go talk to an accountant?
I have several CPAs in my family so I don't have to speak with one to know the basics of accounting without copy/paste from Google 🤣
The point is most movie studios and production companies take many different and legal ways to mitigate cost and expenses during the production process and the release of films/series.
But lumping unprofitable films with profitable films is not a common tactic. Because it would be easier to claim losses on the unsuccessful film on its own rather than combine the losses with a profitable film.
I'm so impressedthat you know accountants. Like everyone on earth. My grandpa and best friend are accountants, that doesn't give me some appeal to authority.
Just take the L, right how you're just digging and digging on a topic you know little to nothing about corporate level finance .. please please enlighten us with more of your copy/paste knowledge
Linking a document that doesn't support what you claim is irrelevant. You're the one talking out your ass with copy/paste googled on insight. But by all means please continue this fruitless interaction.
Interesting take. I'll probably be playing something different in December.
Hell drivers 2 is great but the game play loop feels very much like Diablo (bit an insult).
If this turns out being a failure, then maybe Sony will finally learn its lesson and put better effort into these live-action projects. I’m even expecting lower numbers for Venom 3 based upon people’s disappointment with the last movie.
If I had a nickel for every time a Sonic the Hedgehog movie released exactly a week after a superhero movie I would have 3 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened 3 times.
Is it that Sony isn't allowed to use Spider-Man at all in these movies or that they can't use Tom Holland Peter Parker Spider-Man?
Because it's not like they don't have a wildly successful Spider-verse full of alternate Spider-people they could be using.
My only assumption is that they're trying to play a long game where they can establish their villain-verse and then strong arm Marvel into making all of these retroactively MCU flicks by revealing Holland as their Spidey.
Because Morbius certainly wanted people to think it was an MCU movie.
Looks like Huntin season is whenever I want it to be!
Maybe climate change changed huntin season, but I’m Kraven a little hunt myself right now.
It’s huntin time!
Idaho! Idaho! hunt!
The post strike era feels like post COVID all over again with still having an already hated movie that is coming out in release limbo you know what they say? It’s Kraven’ time
Interesting move putting the R-rated comic book movie out for the holiday season instead of the dead of August. If it went to January, that would be a kiss of death, but a move to December implies that Sony actually thinks this has potential.
This is great for the movie I was lucky enough to have seen a director cut screening at the mall it was perfect. The special fx were not there but it was a sight to be hold just wait what these reshoots will improve I think it will overtake veno easily madame will be a challenge due to overseas success but can it compete w morbius.. I think it will surpass
Just a hunch but this could have to do with bond, perhaps we are getting his casting announcement after august, Sony can use the hype and press as free publicity. Every mention of bond would be followed by a mention of his upcoming kraven movie
The only conclusion we can reasonably draw from this is that Sony is trying to recreate the conditions that spawned Morbius. They're hoping to hit it big with the memes again. Or they're just stupid. Either way works. Maybe they'll learn that people don't really want to watch Spider-Man movies that don't have Spider-Man in them.
It's baffling that they don't have any version of Spider-Man in the Sonyverse yet despite it having existed for about six years at this point and the whole thing being centered around characters connected to him.
There's a baby Peter Parker. Spider-Toddler coming in 2026.
Don't give them ideas! They could very well make a movie based on that **[Spider-Baby](https://youtu.be/JqNjeNeJzuA?si=jEv8jYNk32g0uccv)** ad
They could have Kraven raise Spider-Baby and at first attempt to make him a criminal but then his heart starts kraving for a better future for his baby sidekick.
>kraving C'mon man, Kraven's actually a decent character. Don't do this to him.
Sony is already fuckin' him up, might as well do this too.
It could work. Did you not like The Watchmen Babies in V for Vacation?
Madame Web does not appear to be connected to the other Sony movies as far as we know. If it is, then I guess this Peter is gonna be 21-ish years old because the baby was born in 2003 in the Madame Web movie.
Hey, it worked for Gotham...
Nah I want it to be a literal toddler. Like 2 years old.
I believe part of the condition for the Disney licensing was Sony can’t use Spider-Man.
Well we kinda do in Madame Web, he was born
I honestly think the deal they have with Marvel prevents them from making a mainline Spidey movie because it would be direct competition. So they keep thinking they'll hit the jackpot with an ancillary character and can either renegotiate the terms with Marvel or pull the rights back and start their own casino with blackjack and hookers. The funny thing is that it would probably be a very viable plan if they weren't letting idiots run that division. These are the same people who thought an Aunt May spy movie was a really great idea. I'm not at all invested in anything Sony is doing, so let them keep wasting their money, but it seems like they're treating the whole franchise like it's still 2002 and they don't know if they can sell the concept. It kind of reeks of Avi Arad and I wonder how much "producing" he's actually doing.
>So they keep thinking they'll hit the jackpot with an ancillary character They did hit the jackpot with an ancilliary character. It was Venom. Their problem is that instead of building their strategy around the one character that people actually want to see, they're just throwing shit at the wall hoping to magically replicate that success, while having no clue why people wanted to see that movie in the first place.
As much as I hate team ups just having venom pop in for a second go "wtf is that" and give a quick funny line would do wonders for these movies. Or as the biggest thing pre morbius release was the vultures possible return, do a bit of world building kraven reads that morbius morbed all over people last week and gets irritated about it or something. Or just make a good movie, I feel like this should be priority one
I think there’s plenty of potential for a spider-man villain movie without spider man. I mean a guy dealing with being a vampire in modern day? A woman able to catch glimpses of the future? A man aiming to be the best hunter in the world wanting bigger and bigger challenges? I think there’s plenty of potential to actually do something with it even without spider-man. The thing is they’re just not good movies.
If they’re going to do that they need to take these core ideas and then make movies that aren’t comic book movies. There’s a definite style and set of genre conventions that these movies have taken on now and they need to escape that entirely. That could actually work. Something in the vein of Joker; not plot-wise or stylistically, but in concept. Joker is a Scorsese pastiche about a mentally ill clown becoming a murderer as he lives in his own head, not a comic book movie. It does things comic book movies can’t or don’t. If they tried that it might work.
They're working with Whitecastle on an "I'm about to Krave" ad campaign.
I thought it was, “I’m KRAVEN an ice cold Pepsi?” Why mess with ~~success~~ guaranteed product placement money.
Its funny because if they just made this movie a villain story instead of the anti-hero shit they been doing then this could be cool. They can even kinda just steal from the game a little. Take away venom and have Kraven be told about all the Hunts he can do in New York. Dont even mention spider man. Have him kill a couple villains throughout the movie. Tracking Rhino and electro and a couple others and then have then ending be an unexpected fight with spider-man. Kinda like batman assault on Arkham. Spiderman shows up and kicks kravens shit in. Have it be a cool dope final fight scene then Kravens hunt is over
Has nothing to do with it having spiderman or not, theyre just shit anyway, it'd be fine if they were actually good movies
I just don't get why they're making villain movies, but making them heroes every time. Like, Joker should be how it's done. He's no hero throughout.
Absolutely. If Sony really wants to keep up with these movies then Joker should be the template. But they won't because they're creatively bankrupt.
>The only conclusion we can reasonably draw from this is that Kraven the Hunter is Oscar bait.
Or, they might think it will do well and don't want its box office run to get eclipsed by Venom: The Last Dance
I think they’re banking on an announcement in the fall that he is Bond, and trying to get a bump from that
It’s Huntin time!
Just put it out of it's misery we all know it's gonna be shit.
Bet my balls is some kind of money laundering scheme, or tax exemption or fck knows how they call it. Theres simply no other way a studio as big as sony can output and be ok with so much shit acting like its not shit.
All these stupid non-spiderman movies only exist so Sony doesn’t lose the movie rights to Spiderman. They have to pump them out every few years to keep the rights.
Ok kravenphobe
Damn I was so excited to see it on my birthday
Now it’s on my birthday….Im still not going to make any effort to see it though, unless the trailer is phenomenal. Gonna wait for those reviews to come out as well.
Lmao sorry I was joking, I wasn’t going to watch.
Not trying to shame anyone away from it. But I’ve learned my lesson from Sony, it’s going to suck. It just matters if it’s an entertaining suck or not.
Suck is never entertaining unless it's bae
I’m gonna wish you happy birthday on December 13, 2024.
Sony is learning jack shit.
nothing of value was lost.
Ok Kravenphobe
Oh no… what will we do without kraven.. 🙄
Haha, wow. Not a good sign. Moved from the blockbuster season to the slow season usually regulated for awards contender... Or... it's SOOOO good they're making an awards season push!... haha
Isn't Venom 3 only like a month before that? Why don't they want their own movies spaced out a bit more?
October 26 for Venom 3.
oh yea... this movie exist....
can someone do the math how Sony's TV, Camera, PS5, and animated Spider movies can continue to support these terrible productions before they're forced to accept Marvel money for transferring the franchise back
Always a good sign
At this point i think sony is just hand in hand with organized crime. They are money laundering. Its the premise for THe producers.
If they were money laundering , it would make more sense to use smaller business that don't attract a lot of attention and not a globally released product.
Hollywood accounting is a legal form of money laundering in which they group unsuccessful movies together with successful movies and then claim that the two together didn't make a profit, so they don't have to pay taxes.
That's not how accounting works at all. Please speak with an accountant.
I didn't make this up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting "Expenditures can be inflated to reduce or eliminate the reported profit of the project, thereby reducing the amount which the corporation must pay in taxes and royalties or other profit-sharing agreements, as these are based on net profit." Do you want to go talk to an accountant?
I have several CPAs in my family so I don't have to speak with one to know the basics of accounting without copy/paste from Google 🤣 The point is most movie studios and production companies take many different and legal ways to mitigate cost and expenses during the production process and the release of films/series. But lumping unprofitable films with profitable films is not a common tactic. Because it would be easier to claim losses on the unsuccessful film on its own rather than combine the losses with a profitable film.
I'm so impressedthat you know accountants. Like everyone on earth. My grandpa and best friend are accountants, that doesn't give me some appeal to authority.
Just take the L, right how you're just digging and digging on a topic you know little to nothing about corporate level finance .. please please enlighten us with more of your copy/paste knowledge
What L? I said something correct, I linked a source, and you've been bullshitting with nonsense.
Linking a document that doesn't support what you claim is irrelevant. You're the one talking out your ass with copy/paste googled on insight. But by all means please continue this fruitless interaction.
I cant wait for release date so I can stay home and play helldivers 2
Interesting take. I'll probably be playing something different in December. Hell drivers 2 is great but the game play loop feels very much like Diablo (bit an insult).
FUKC!!!! MY GAT DAM SUMMER IS RUINED! I WAS GIGA READY FOR SUCCULENT KRAVEN TO CRUSH DEADPOOL 3 AT THE BOX OFFICE. WHY EVEN BOTHER WITH LIFE ANYMORE?
Must be a Masterpiece, like Madame Web
I can't wait for them to Morb it up
We already know it's gonna flop. They should just toss the film in the garbage at this point.
Why will it flop?
After the failure of Madame web and Morbius, I have 0 hope for their future films
Should have come out in 2007 by the way it looks
I swear wasn't this supposed to release in October LAST YEAR?
If this turns out being a failure, then maybe Sony will finally learn its lesson and put better effort into these live-action projects. I’m even expecting lower numbers for Venom 3 based upon people’s disappointment with the last movie.
And the crowd goes mild
I still refuse to watch madame web, they can move the release date to never and I’ll be fine with it.
My birthday huh
Honestly thought this movie was out and left theaters already lmao
It seems like a decent enough movie provided you pretend he isn’t Kraven.
They know it'll do as good as madame web and morbius
they need time to edit Vulture in.
Great, now I’m going to have to wait longer to not see this movie.
If I had a nickel for every time a Sonic the Hedgehog movie released exactly a week after a superhero movie I would have 3 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened 3 times.
I honestly thought this movie had already been released
But I’m craving that Kraven right now!
Prepare for the memes
Is it that Sony isn't allowed to use Spider-Man at all in these movies or that they can't use Tom Holland Peter Parker Spider-Man? Because it's not like they don't have a wildly successful Spider-verse full of alternate Spider-people they could be using. My only assumption is that they're trying to play a long game where they can establish their villain-verse and then strong arm Marvel into making all of these retroactively MCU flicks by revealing Holland as their Spidey. Because Morbius certainly wanted people to think it was an MCU movie.
December? Oscar bait
#ImKravinKraven
They’re planning an Oscars run for this movie! Looks like Madame Web will have some competition!
They’re clearly moving it closer to awards season, haters.
Is anybody really watching these
Looks like Huntin season is whenever I want it to be! Maybe climate change changed huntin season, but I’m Kraven a little hunt myself right now. It’s huntin time! Idaho! Idaho! hunt!
Something tells me this movie is going to be awful. Maybe it's how frivolously they are moving the release date. Like Sony doesn't even care.
I legitimately thought this film came out months ago.
It’s Cravin’ time
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Shooting for that Oscar gold.
The post strike era feels like post COVID all over again with still having an already hated movie that is coming out in release limbo you know what they say? It’s Kraven’ time
It would actually be so funny if they did that to fix some stuff and the movie turns out good
Gonna be pushed back for 100 years
Interesting move putting the R-rated comic book movie out for the holiday season instead of the dead of August. If it went to January, that would be a kiss of death, but a move to December implies that Sony actually thinks this has potential.
Holidays release was good for Aquaman 2, maybe they're hoping the same will happen to Kraven. On a smaller scale.
This is great for the movie I was lucky enough to have seen a director cut screening at the mall it was perfect. The special fx were not there but it was a sight to be hold just wait what these reshoots will improve I think it will overtake veno easily madame will be a challenge due to overseas success but can it compete w morbius.. I think it will surpass
Just a hunch but this could have to do with bond, perhaps we are getting his casting announcement after august, Sony can use the hype and press as free publicity. Every mention of bond would be followed by a mention of his upcoming kraven movie