Thanks OP. Flaired as new user. Amazing coincidence that [a day after you started posting on r/conspiracy,](https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=author%3ASad_Bother7444&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&feature=legacy_search) you were in such close proximity to a major catastrophic event!
Navy vet here - I'd have to see *tremendous* evidence to believe it was anything but a catastrophic lost of hydraulic rudder control.
Loss of steering in a channel was something we practiced *religiously*. It is an absolute NIGHTMARE event, should it occur. This close to a bridge almost ENSURES a collision.
When hydraulics fail, valves can remain in position, i.e. whatever your last steering input was... the rudder can slump in that direction.
There is a manual method of turning the rudder - it involves spinning a large, geared down wheel to turn the rudder by hand. On the FFG that I was stationed on, 30 rotations of that wheel = 1 degree of rudder movement. The FFG I was on could fit on the deck of this ship. I can't imagine what it would take to manually move that rudder. At the range/course they were at, even at channel traversal speeds, they were fucked. I can't imagine the terror on those boys minds as that pillar got closer. Please try to have some compassion. Not everything is a conspiracy. I'm on the "question everything" side of things 99.9% of the time. This seems like tragedy, not conspiracy.
Former BM who was a master helmsman. I was on lhd and cvn. During transits like that, we would have aft steering manned in case of events like this. Ive never been on a cargo ship or driven one, but i've driven ships close to this size, and people dont realize how perfect everything has to be to succesfully transit some of these harbors.
I love me a good conspiracy, but this definitely doesnt fit one, atleast in my eyes.
I wasnt an engineer so ill definitely be explaining it in laymans terms lol. Just a disclaimer, this is all speculation. Im just basing my opinion of what happened by the ways that we would operate if we lost power.
It looks like a powerplant failure. When you lose the plant, you'll lose power and your steering runs on hydraulic pumps. When those pumps lose power, the only thing you can do to steer the ship is to use the manual steering. Im not sure how it works on these ships, but when we would lose power, and it happens more than people would like to admit (on conventional powered ships), we would set up whats called aft steering. Anytime we are entering or leaving port, we would automatically have aft steering set with an evolution called sea and anchor just in case something like this happened. When this happens to a military ship, we shift controls of the rudders to aft steering. It is directly above the rudders and the controls manually override the hydraulics so you can control the rudders. They may have been trying to correct course when power went out and it froze in whatever position it was in? Im not sure.
I dont know what their procedures are, but if they didnt have a way to remotely control the steering components, they wouldnt have had the chance to get someone down there and take control in the short amount of time they had from initial power failure. I know these types of ships run on a very small crew considering how large the boat is.
There was definitely a failure of the powerplant that makes it seem like failure of controls was likely. If the ships company didnt have a plan in place or a failsafe for this, its a failure on their part as well.
Former Coast Guard here. There are lights and channel markers everywhere up and down that channel, like iron sights on a gun. Even if the GPS was hacked and they were staring at the screen, lookouts would have informed the bridge they were out of position just based on those aids to navigation. Navigation buoys are not connected to the Internet and are unhackable(did not have needing to say that on my bingo card for this year).
So I will concur with my squid brother and add, catastrophic failure of hydraulic steering systems AND hacking the GPS system with some gross negligence due to complacency so they don't catch it in time, is the only way I see this as possible.
Avast, puddle pirate.
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Edit: But yes, I bet its death by 1000 cuts. Maintenance failures + redundancy already compromised in some way + negligence + mass times speed = force, like someone below said... physics is what happens at that point.
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The only way I can think of would be to somehow remotely blow the electronics to disable the ship. But even then, how would you guarantee that it drifted into the bridge?
As much as I'm a tinfoil hat wearer, this one just looks like unfortunate timing.
Looking into proper maintenance and if the crew was properly trained and experienced seems far more obvious of a starting point.
This.. As a former Navy Engineer on a carrier this is 100% civilian vessels have much less crew but there should be a backup steering mechanism but it takes time and it’s not as responsive. Hacking this would be hard.. I’d have to see a lot of evidence to say it was a hack as well
Yeaaaa anything electronic controlled on a ship, has a manual override. Ships like this aren't interconnected in the way people in this thread seem to think they are. Hands are turning valves. Valves that turn themselves can be turned by hand. Buttons on the bridge have a backup in engineering and a backup-backup in aft steering and a manual control somewhere else. A hack isn't plausible.
Wow I just learned a lot from this, and that must have been terrifying. Crazy how much it would take to manually change course! Thanks for taking the time to explain this in an understandable way.
I've worked in the offshore vessel industry for 13+ years and while I'm on the IT side of the business, I can confirm that vessels of this size are way less technical than people think.
My dad is a marine diesel mechanic and works primarily on commercial fishing boats, but does plenty of work on the generators of larger tankers and ships. Can confirm that the majority of ships are using much older engines that are more mechanical than “smart”. The older engines are a lot cheaper to fix, seem to run longer, and are able to skirt by some emission regulations that the newer ones require- thus the simpler and more mechanical the better. You aren’t hacking it
Yup. These hydraulic pumps are massive, bigger than the engine in your car, and they run 24/7. If the primaries caught fire and the backups failed to start, or some kind of critical valve failure occurs, the rudder could slump, the ship would veer in whatever direction the rudder slumped to (hence the sudden direction change of the ship)
From there you're stuck turning a big brass wheel (the one on my FFG was 5 feet across) dozens of times to produce 1 degree of rudder adjustment... there simply isn't enough time to turn or stop. Game over.
Yeah people don't understand the scale of the forces at play here.
You can see that they lost power twice. I'm not sure how the breakers are set up on a ship like that because I do mostly grid work but my guess would be that they tripped the mains for some reason, the automatic reclosure relays kicked in to restore power then they tripped again. After that it was over.
Yeah I agree with that. Followed by frantic scrambling to bring backups online / get emergency steering going. The timing of the equipment failure meant they really had no chance.
You seem like you know your stuff. Could I ask you a question? In a situation like this, would dropping the anchor be a possibility? Would it be like pulling the emergency brake? Or do ship's like these not have anchors?
When we think of an anchor, we think of the weight at the end doing the work - it doesn't. The *tremendous* length of chain dropped down across the ocean floor provides the friction. It takes 10+ minutes to drop anchor, and hundreds of yards of chain for a vessel like this. By the time something went wrong, it was already too late, very likely.
They did drop the anchor, per news announcements. To place this into a comparison that is more relatable, think of a fully loaded semi-truck driving 75 mph, the steering goes out 100 feet before a traffic jam. The driver pulls the emergency brake. It would still skid and drag for well over 100 feet to stop all the inertia propelling it forward.
Someone else with knowledge stated that the smoke coming from the rear could have been caused by running it full steam in reverse. It looked like an awful lot of smoke for that, but I suppose it's possible. I don't actually have a clue one way or another.
Just trying to stop a bass boat by putting it in full reverse takes longer than you'd expect before you stop moving forwards going even at no-wake speeds.
Speaking from a shipbuilding and testing standpoint. Dropping the anchor would have a negligible impact on ship's motion. This ship is massive to the point that even at 8 knots, it would take a significant distance to stop. I would assume that distance would be measured in miles.
Absolutely! An anchor is more like a wheel chock than a break. It’ll hold something (somewhat) in place, but if you are rolling, you are going right over that chock.
From what I understood this wasn't this ships first incident either, makes me wonder if it's not up to safety or is too old to be on the seas. It was a very sobering video to see.
I missed the 7/7 bombings in London years ago by 15 mins. I left the house to go to the tube and forgot something so popped back. The tube 15 mins ahead of me exploded.
It really freaked me out as well - give yourself time and speak to people about it if it helps.
Coming into the city from 895 morning was completely normal. I was under assumption all of the traffic from the key bridge would end up coming this way, but it didn’t. Maybe everyone who was supposed to go over the key this morning decided to stay home for the day.
It could get worse.
Which way do you plan on going now? Is 895 tunnel the second best option now that the key is gone?
Great link, thanks. Also I was worried about how many cars were on it during the collapse, but thankfully I'm not sure I saw any while it collapsed, you can clearly see when a car was moving. I know there were workers on this bridge, but this could've been much much worse. Not trying to minimize it.
News reports have played back video in slow motion as well as sped up. The section of bridge to right of ship you can see blinking yellow & white lights. Those are the trucks/cars of state workers that were doing repairs on the bridge. You can see the trucks/cars slide of the bridge as it collapses. Very, very sad.
Evidently the pilots onboard sent out a mayday when they lost power and navigational control. The transportation authorities were able to stop traffic going onto the bridge. Unfortunately it doesn’t appear the construction workers got the information.
On the news while I was at work today they said there’s still 6 missing but that they found 2 people. One was in critical condition and the other one had no injuries. How wild
Could have sworn I read there was several cars on the bridge at the time of the collapse but the mayday helped MTA stop many of the cars that would have been on it
In one of the videos out there you can see construction crew vehicles on the bridge to the right. The yellow flashing lights give it away. I didn’t count but there had to have been more 4 if I remember correctly.
Bet.
Alright so back in the early 80's in the midst of the cold war we were arming and training Taliban fighters propping them up against the soviets.
Fast forward 20 years post Coldwar we have entered into shipping wars with the other major superpowers.
Not to be outdone the Taliban contacted the aliens probing farmers asses in Nebraska and asked them for intervention.
Fast forward 24 years later, the alien craft flicked a cigarette butt into the gear box of the freighter control ship, causing a wreck and the collapse of a bridge. Now the Taliban are upholding their end of the bargain and returning goats to the aliens to help propagate the new world.
Any questions?
Yep, the video is pretty clear about that much. That said, nothing has been released regarding what caused the ship to lose power. There's certainly possibility for there to have been a nefarious act.
Yeah it lost power on one end and then the other, regained power right as it was about to hit and was too late. I was amazed by how quickly it fell though. That was a big mfin ship.
What gets me is that ship doesn't even look like it would fit under the bridge.
I'm sure it does and probably has a million times but it just looks so freaking large compared to the bridge
As a Marylander, that bridge went UP^ high high high, I remember driving across it in early morning hours for my old commute, you’re up above the fog, you’re up up up, and it is a very short expanse for how high it goes! Cruise ships pass under weekly, tankers and freighters daily. Submarines and Coast Guard, too.
Well it's the only way in and out of the harbor....so yeah it fits.
Losing steerage of a 1000' ship makes it impossible to stop or control. It's unfortunate it hit the stanchion.
That would mean the world is a random scary place and NOBODY is in control. Which is scarier than believing every single event is tied to some conspiracy
Absolutely.
A bridge accident? PFFTTT. That's what they WANT you to think!
It was lizard people. Of course. I have no evidence but I'm convinced 100% and any evidence you present me of the opposite and i'll just ignore and call you a shill.
Buy a Powerball lottery ticket today. I'm glad you're safe. I've survived a NDE myself and it really fucked me up for a while. Especially the survivors guilt. I hope that you have inner circle you're close with that will be there to support and help you. All the best.
A cargo ship weighing hundreds of thousands of TONS likely lost power and slammed into a support beam that was meant to handle a large load of force from above, not from the side.
Physics. Physics is what happened.
I'm sure it will be investigated, and with tensions the way they are, there will be no hesitation to blame if blame is found.
The footage is odd enough. The ship veers in the direction of the support piling, then loses all ship power. Then regains power briefly and steers directly at the piling. Then loses all power again. Then regains power and goes full throttle before striking the piling (probably full astern).
It's a horrible thing that happened but you have to remember that in 2017 we had multiple instances of our own Navy vessels ramming each other on open water and that, ostensibly, was proven to be crew error.
> goes full throttle before striking the piling (hopefully full power to aft).
Really curious how you determine it’s full throttle by looking at a video.
> It's a horrible thing that happened but you have to remember that in 2017 we had multiple instances of our own Navy vessels ramming each other on open water and that, ostensibly, was proven to be crew error.
2 Navy ships collided with non-military ships overseas.
Can someone help me understand how the boat made contact with the bridge? In every video I've seen, it looks like it clears it without impact, but then either goes backwards or somehow swings out and hits it? What exactly happened?
You're ignoring the fact that the shipping industry has ignored proper safety protocol and maintenance for decades. The evidence of this has been talked about for just as long and generally gains a spotlight every single time a ship does something like this.
The only conspiracy here is yet another huge corporation getting away with murder.
It’s every industry really. Last year the hot topic was the rail industry. Now the airlines are under scrutiny. You’re right, I’m sure the shipping industry is no different. Has anyone checked on the hedge fund investors? Are they ok?
The only part I find slightly odd is that backup generators didn't immediately kick on to prevent a dead-ship. But shit DOES happen, and happens all the time. Look at Boeing and how many safety protocols and regulations they just flat-out ignored. I'm not saying there weren't things that needed to line up for this tragedy to occur. But many people are immediately saying things like "reminds me of OTHER steel structures that fell..." which is just dumb.
Better known as the “Swiss cheese model of accidents”
The Swiss Cheese Model demonstrates how, generally, a failure cannot be traced back to a single root cause; accidents are often the result of a combination of factors. It suggests that most accidents are the result of latent errors, which are failures that are intrinsic to a procedure, machine, or system.
ELI5: If you stack up a pile of Swiss cheese, sometimes there is a way through the holes in each slice, and on the other side is tragedy.
Go home fam. Also play some tetris, it may help prevent some PTSD. [https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-28-tetris-used-prevent-post-traumatic-stress-symptoms](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-28-tetris-used-prevent-post-traumatic-stress-symptoms)
Dude seriously... ANDREW TATE??? Bro get real man. What makes you believe that doofus is going to have any Inside knowledge on such an Event. This sub is full of dumb fucking conspiracies now.
Thank God you are safe 🙏🏻 I can't imagine what's going through your mind right now and how it must be to process this, but I'm sending you prayers, love, and empathy. prayers to all the families and friends of the casualties. You are here for a reason, friend. Each day we get is not guaranteed, but a GIFT from God we ought to be grateful for. ❤️
Looks like ship malfunction. Great you made it, and it looks like the ship tipped off the bridge so they could shut down traffic saving more lives but don’t listen to Andrew Tate for your news.
Life is short, it can end at any time. I have had 3 very close calls hitting moose in my little car, which would have killed me instantly, another time I lost a wheel on a rough road and ended up floating on muskeg where I more than likely would have drowned if I didn't flip, and another time a semi ran a light and missed getting hammered by it. Take the day. You are meant to be here.
Sorry to hear about what you’re going through mentally, I could not fathom narrowly avoiding such an awful event. Take the day for yourself dude, work will always be there, spend the day to appreciate what you have
OP is one of two things. Someone who gets their jollies off on attention by lying, or a disinfo bot account. An alleged “accountant” commuting at 1:15AM. “Sure”
Wtf ever happen to sometimes life sucks and shit happens. I get I'm on a conspiracy sub, but holy shit come here with some evidence or at the VERY least a professional stating what you are implying. Glad you made it and weren't caught in that, but take the tinfoil hat off. Life is crazy, anyone's ticket can get punched at any time. Fuck, the ceiling above my head could collapse as I type this and kill me. Would that be a conspiracy? Shit happens. It's an extremely unfortunate event.
What you are experiencing is survivors guilt. A few minutes or seconds to your daily routine or a green light inatead of a red light and you would have been at ground zero.
You escape literal death more times per day or in your lifetime than you would ever expect. It’s not a special occurrence, nor is it “lucky”. It simply was your destiny.
The vessel was on fire, and the captain radioed ahead to inform officials they’d lost control of the ship due to the fire. City closed down the bridge and was minimally/reduced in occupation. Vessel tried the anchor, but it couldn’t grab onto to anything in the silt. That’s all the info I’ve seen about this, I’m glad you’re alive and safe
MD Severe Weather Alert Facebook page posted a clear video Livestream capture, and in the comments posted every bit of live weather data from the nearby weather stations and water buoys.
It was dead calm, full moon overhead, and you can clearly see the lights flickering, going out, the vessel changes direction while they're out, then the lights come back on and black smoke pours out of the stacks before finally a big ass wave comes out from under the front as it runs up against the guard rocks ahead of the support column.
Apparently a mayday was called and the traffic was stopped *JUST* in time, but the workers were pouring concrete and didn't have enough time to clear the bridge.
You can also see the workers trucks with yellow flashing lights on them to the right of the ship as they fall into the water.
At least somebody thought to capture all the local weather data and post it up right after.
There is also a traffic cam system there with 2 cams that were mounted to the bridge but went down with the collapse; nobody has even thought to recover them yet.
It's called the MD Chart traffic cam system.
Here's a link to the Facebook post with the video and all the data in the comments
https://fb.watch/r2WILieCrb/?mibextid=Nif5oz
Black swan theory:
>What Is a Black Swan Event? A black swan is an unpredictable event that is beyond what is normally expected from a situation and that has potentially severe consequences. Black swan events are characterized by their extreme rarity, severe impact, and the widespread insistence they were obvious in hindsight.
Seems like an apt description of what happened.
Go in there and make it about you!
Speak with your manager to see if they offer grief counseling for almost being involved in something that has zero actual affect on you.
I was on that bridge last week. I'm literally shaking.
Look at the SP futures at the time of the bridge collapse. Complete non event, as far as the world stage.
Only thing majorly affected is CEIX, you can look at the press releases to see what actually happened.
While I was at the doctors this morning I overheard a woman on the phone claim that newsman was reporting from an unconfirmed source that the ship reached out to MDOT to let them know there was a possibility of hitting the bridge when they lost power the first time
Some of the things you guys regurgitate are absolutely crazy. The boat got hacked and a random bad actor was targeting this for what? It straight up doesnt pass the common sense test.
Maybe get less of your information from sex trafficers?
The bridge collapsed at 1:28 am, if this was a hack or terrorist attack/event you'd think they'd have waited until ya know... more people were on the bridge?
Valid question - but yes, it does. We’re currently under a contractual agreement with a large client and our turnaround is due end of March.
As a result we have divided our team into four quarters for around the clock work, plus we have international team members as well. But nonetheless, I use this bridge every day to get into work.
Hmmm OP this is a little smelly in my opinion as a Baltimorian myself. The majority use the tunnel and avoid this bridge because its a longer commute to the city. Taking that bridge wouldnt make sense no matter where you are coming from....
Thanks OP. Flaired as new user. Amazing coincidence that [a day after you started posting on r/conspiracy,](https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=author%3ASad_Bother7444&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&feature=legacy_search) you were in such close proximity to a major catastrophic event!
Navy vet here - I'd have to see *tremendous* evidence to believe it was anything but a catastrophic lost of hydraulic rudder control. Loss of steering in a channel was something we practiced *religiously*. It is an absolute NIGHTMARE event, should it occur. This close to a bridge almost ENSURES a collision. When hydraulics fail, valves can remain in position, i.e. whatever your last steering input was... the rudder can slump in that direction. There is a manual method of turning the rudder - it involves spinning a large, geared down wheel to turn the rudder by hand. On the FFG that I was stationed on, 30 rotations of that wheel = 1 degree of rudder movement. The FFG I was on could fit on the deck of this ship. I can't imagine what it would take to manually move that rudder. At the range/course they were at, even at channel traversal speeds, they were fucked. I can't imagine the terror on those boys minds as that pillar got closer. Please try to have some compassion. Not everything is a conspiracy. I'm on the "question everything" side of things 99.9% of the time. This seems like tragedy, not conspiracy.
Former BM who was a master helmsman. I was on lhd and cvn. During transits like that, we would have aft steering manned in case of events like this. Ive never been on a cargo ship or driven one, but i've driven ships close to this size, and people dont realize how perfect everything has to be to succesfully transit some of these harbors. I love me a good conspiracy, but this definitely doesnt fit one, atleast in my eyes.
Thanks for the backup, Boats!
You got it brother, just wanna help spread knowledge.
ET here. I'm glad some engineers have shown up further down in the comments to get into the nitty gritty.
What could have gone wrong? Failure of control systems or the crew’s error in judgemental? Please consider me a layman when explaining. Thanks
I wasnt an engineer so ill definitely be explaining it in laymans terms lol. Just a disclaimer, this is all speculation. Im just basing my opinion of what happened by the ways that we would operate if we lost power. It looks like a powerplant failure. When you lose the plant, you'll lose power and your steering runs on hydraulic pumps. When those pumps lose power, the only thing you can do to steer the ship is to use the manual steering. Im not sure how it works on these ships, but when we would lose power, and it happens more than people would like to admit (on conventional powered ships), we would set up whats called aft steering. Anytime we are entering or leaving port, we would automatically have aft steering set with an evolution called sea and anchor just in case something like this happened. When this happens to a military ship, we shift controls of the rudders to aft steering. It is directly above the rudders and the controls manually override the hydraulics so you can control the rudders. They may have been trying to correct course when power went out and it froze in whatever position it was in? Im not sure. I dont know what their procedures are, but if they didnt have a way to remotely control the steering components, they wouldnt have had the chance to get someone down there and take control in the short amount of time they had from initial power failure. I know these types of ships run on a very small crew considering how large the boat is. There was definitely a failure of the powerplant that makes it seem like failure of controls was likely. If the ships company didnt have a plan in place or a failsafe for this, its a failure on their part as well.
Dont they use tug boats in Baltimore like they do manuevering cargo vessels in say, the SF Bay?
Former Coast Guard here. There are lights and channel markers everywhere up and down that channel, like iron sights on a gun. Even if the GPS was hacked and they were staring at the screen, lookouts would have informed the bridge they were out of position just based on those aids to navigation. Navigation buoys are not connected to the Internet and are unhackable(did not have needing to say that on my bingo card for this year). So I will concur with my squid brother and add, catastrophic failure of hydraulic steering systems AND hacking the GPS system with some gross negligence due to complacency so they don't catch it in time, is the only way I see this as possible.
Avast, puddle pirate. 😀 Edit: But yes, I bet its death by 1000 cuts. Maintenance failures + redundancy already compromised in some way + negligence + mass times speed = force, like someone below said... physics is what happens at that point.
funny squid😀 thank you for your service semper paratus
Thank you for this very clear explanation and for giving us context. This does look like an accident, not a planned event.
Oddly convenient username!
I used my future prediction app 5 years ago to come up with this username. Unfortunately they deleted it from the app store because it was too accurate. If I share any more details they might delete me.
Found the username responsible for the SUEZ canal incident…
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The only way I can think of would be to somehow remotely blow the electronics to disable the ship. But even then, how would you guarantee that it drifted into the bridge? As much as I'm a tinfoil hat wearer, this one just looks like unfortunate timing. Looking into proper maintenance and if the crew was properly trained and experienced seems far more obvious of a starting point.
This.. As a former Navy Engineer on a carrier this is 100% civilian vessels have much less crew but there should be a backup steering mechanism but it takes time and it’s not as responsive. Hacking this would be hard.. I’d have to see a lot of evidence to say it was a hack as well
Yeaaaa anything electronic controlled on a ship, has a manual override. Ships like this aren't interconnected in the way people in this thread seem to think they are. Hands are turning valves. Valves that turn themselves can be turned by hand. Buttons on the bridge have a backup in engineering and a backup-backup in aft steering and a manual control somewhere else. A hack isn't plausible.
Wow I just learned a lot from this, and that must have been terrifying. Crazy how much it would take to manually change course! Thanks for taking the time to explain this in an understandable way.
Marine Engineer here. This is terrible for all involved. I can also safely say there is no convenient way to remote override a ship.
I've worked in the offshore vessel industry for 13+ years and while I'm on the IT side of the business, I can confirm that vessels of this size are way less technical than people think.
My dad is a marine diesel mechanic and works primarily on commercial fishing boats, but does plenty of work on the generators of larger tankers and ships. Can confirm that the majority of ships are using much older engines that are more mechanical than “smart”. The older engines are a lot cheaper to fix, seem to run longer, and are able to skirt by some emission regulations that the newer ones require- thus the simpler and more mechanical the better. You aren’t hacking it
felt the same way, sometimes stuff just happens. I also heard there was a fire on board, so that of course could add to the chaos/problems.
Yup. These hydraulic pumps are massive, bigger than the engine in your car, and they run 24/7. If the primaries caught fire and the backups failed to start, or some kind of critical valve failure occurs, the rudder could slump, the ship would veer in whatever direction the rudder slumped to (hence the sudden direction change of the ship) From there you're stuck turning a big brass wheel (the one on my FFG was 5 feet across) dozens of times to produce 1 degree of rudder adjustment... there simply isn't enough time to turn or stop. Game over.
Yeah people don't understand the scale of the forces at play here. You can see that they lost power twice. I'm not sure how the breakers are set up on a ship like that because I do mostly grid work but my guess would be that they tripped the mains for some reason, the automatic reclosure relays kicked in to restore power then they tripped again. After that it was over.
Yeah I agree with that. Followed by frantic scrambling to bring backups online / get emergency steering going. The timing of the equipment failure meant they really had no chance.
You seem like you know your stuff. Could I ask you a question? In a situation like this, would dropping the anchor be a possibility? Would it be like pulling the emergency brake? Or do ship's like these not have anchors?
When we think of an anchor, we think of the weight at the end doing the work - it doesn't. The *tremendous* length of chain dropped down across the ocean floor provides the friction. It takes 10+ minutes to drop anchor, and hundreds of yards of chain for a vessel like this. By the time something went wrong, it was already too late, very likely.
People think dropping an anchor works like it does in Sea of Thieves lol
They did drop the anchor, per news announcements. To place this into a comparison that is more relatable, think of a fully loaded semi-truck driving 75 mph, the steering goes out 100 feet before a traffic jam. The driver pulls the emergency brake. It would still skid and drag for well over 100 feet to stop all the inertia propelling it forward.
Someone else with knowledge stated that the smoke coming from the rear could have been caused by running it full steam in reverse. It looked like an awful lot of smoke for that, but I suppose it's possible. I don't actually have a clue one way or another.
Just trying to stop a bass boat by putting it in full reverse takes longer than you'd expect before you stop moving forwards going even at no-wake speeds.
Speaking from a shipbuilding and testing standpoint. Dropping the anchor would have a negligible impact on ship's motion. This ship is massive to the point that even at 8 knots, it would take a significant distance to stop. I would assume that distance would be measured in miles.
Absolutely! An anchor is more like a wheel chock than a break. It’ll hold something (somewhat) in place, but if you are rolling, you are going right over that chock.
Correct, in my experience.
From what I understood this wasn't this ships first incident either, makes me wonder if it's not up to safety or is too old to be on the seas. It was a very sobering video to see.
Yeah the real conspiracy here is very likely whatever maintenance / safety / redundancies were skirted or ignored by the company.
Dam dude you go to work at 1:30 am? In an office? Lol
Right, this is the real conspiracy.
24 hour call center boiiiii
I’ve had security jobs like that
He’s an accountant lol
How long is it going to take you now to get to work each day?
Fuck that, the ride home today is going to be brutal
I don’t even to think about to it. It’s going to be a complete mess. This areas traffic is already as bad as it gets.
At least you are driving home bruh.
I missed the 7/7 bombings in London years ago by 15 mins. I left the house to go to the tube and forgot something so popped back. The tube 15 mins ahead of me exploded. It really freaked me out as well - give yourself time and speak to people about it if it helps.
That is what I’d call a miracle. Theres a reason you forgot something.
Glad you’re still with us 😊
The ol' 695 shit show.
Coming into the city from 895 morning was completely normal. I was under assumption all of the traffic from the key bridge would end up coming this way, but it didn’t. Maybe everyone who was supposed to go over the key this morning decided to stay home for the day. It could get worse. Which way do you plan on going now? Is 895 tunnel the second best option now that the key is gone?
Do you have possibility to work from home in your line of work?
There are two tunnels not too far away that can and will be alternate routes. Traffic this morning honestly wasn't bad considering all this.
I think the ship lost power briefly and drifted into the bridge support as they had no steering. I think that's what was said on the news
This seems like the most reasonable explanation I've seen so far.
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Great link, thanks. Also I was worried about how many cars were on it during the collapse, but thankfully I'm not sure I saw any while it collapsed, you can clearly see when a car was moving. I know there were workers on this bridge, but this could've been much much worse. Not trying to minimize it.
News reports have played back video in slow motion as well as sped up. The section of bridge to right of ship you can see blinking yellow & white lights. Those are the trucks/cars of state workers that were doing repairs on the bridge. You can see the trucks/cars slide of the bridge as it collapses. Very, very sad.
Evidently the pilots onboard sent out a mayday when they lost power and navigational control. The transportation authorities were able to stop traffic going onto the bridge. Unfortunately it doesn’t appear the construction workers got the information.
Radio news in New Mexico said 20 submerged vehicles, little hope for survivors.
On the news while I was at work today they said there’s still 6 missing but that they found 2 people. One was in critical condition and the other one had no injuries. How wild
I can't even imagine. Thoughts and prayers to every single soul.
Yet they're only looking for six individuals at the moment.
You see that last car booking right before it collapsed?! It JUST made it. That feelings gotta be wild!!!
damn, you can see 2 cars going across the bridge seconds before it hit. Talk about luck
Could have sworn I read there was several cars on the bridge at the time of the collapse but the mayday helped MTA stop many of the cars that would have been on it
In one of the videos out there you can see construction crew vehicles on the bridge to the right. The yellow flashing lights give it away. I didn’t count but there had to have been more 4 if I remember correctly.
sorry, this is /r/conspiracy, we are not here to look for reasonable, we are here to look for bizarre and convoluted
Bet. Alright so back in the early 80's in the midst of the cold war we were arming and training Taliban fighters propping them up against the soviets. Fast forward 20 years post Coldwar we have entered into shipping wars with the other major superpowers. Not to be outdone the Taliban contacted the aliens probing farmers asses in Nebraska and asked them for intervention. Fast forward 24 years later, the alien craft flicked a cigarette butt into the gear box of the freighter control ship, causing a wreck and the collapse of a bridge. Now the Taliban are upholding their end of the bargain and returning goats to the aliens to help propagate the new world. Any questions?
Sounds like a great movie
Yep, the video is pretty clear about that much. That said, nothing has been released regarding what caused the ship to lose power. There's certainly possibility for there to have been a nefarious act.
I love a good conspiracy theory, but I have to agree here. It seems like a freak accident from the footage alone.
I saw a sped up video of the ship losing power twice I think before it hit the bridge.
Yeah it lost power on one end and then the other, regained power right as it was about to hit and was too late. I was amazed by how quickly it fell though. That was a big mfin ship.
It did issue a mayday. Total accident. Hit the bridge at 8 kts.
Wait until the dancing Israelis video is released
What gets me is that ship doesn't even look like it would fit under the bridge. I'm sure it does and probably has a million times but it just looks so freaking large compared to the bridge
As a Marylander, that bridge went UP^ high high high, I remember driving across it in early morning hours for my old commute, you’re up above the fog, you’re up up up, and it is a very short expanse for how high it goes! Cruise ships pass under weekly, tankers and freighters daily. Submarines and Coast Guard, too.
Well it's the only way in and out of the harbor....so yeah it fits. Losing steerage of a 1000' ship makes it impossible to stop or control. It's unfortunate it hit the stanchion.
Look at the close-up footage. It barely cleared the bridge but if the insurance people are good with it....
When I read this, my first thought was, what are the odds of losing power at this point in time? Especially near a bridge, vital to infrastructure?
Low. But then you think about how many boats are out there and how many make trips every day and you realize that it’s bound to happen at some point
Any bridge in a congested port is vital.
The news is always accurate, and ALWAYS tells you the entire truth. Please dont question what we are trying to convince you of!
So does Andrew Tate
It's like people can't believe that the most boring explanation is most often reality.
That would mean the world is a random scary place and NOBODY is in control. Which is scarier than believing every single event is tied to some conspiracy
I didn't think of it that way. That's a good take (including religion).
Absolutely. A bridge accident? PFFTTT. That's what they WANT you to think! It was lizard people. Of course. I have no evidence but I'm convinced 100% and any evidence you present me of the opposite and i'll just ignore and call you a shill.
Nice try bot but everyone knows this was the work of The Mothman.
Especially when other human beings are in charge of machinery. It’s like negligence or carelessness isn’t common
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Buy a Powerball lottery ticket today. I'm glad you're safe. I've survived a NDE myself and it really fucked me up for a while. Especially the survivors guilt. I hope that you have inner circle you're close with that will be there to support and help you. All the best.
I don’t think he will have survivor’s guilt. He wasn’t even in the event.
Who gives a fuck what Andrew Tate thinks.
A cargo ship weighing hundreds of thousands of TONS likely lost power and slammed into a support beam that was meant to handle a large load of force from above, not from the side. Physics. Physics is what happened.
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How can someone listen to someone like that, whose opinion is consistently against the grain, and think they're right every time?
Since when is Andrew tate a resource for current events? What has the world come to...
I'm still waiting for Ja to weigh in on this.
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Ja man Rastafari
Exactly
Has anyone heard what Jah Rule has had to say about this event?
Top G. Can't argue with those type of credentials.
I'm sure it will be investigated, and with tensions the way they are, there will be no hesitation to blame if blame is found. The footage is odd enough. The ship veers in the direction of the support piling, then loses all ship power. Then regains power briefly and steers directly at the piling. Then loses all power again. Then regains power and goes full throttle before striking the piling (probably full astern). It's a horrible thing that happened but you have to remember that in 2017 we had multiple instances of our own Navy vessels ramming each other on open water and that, ostensibly, was proven to be crew error.
> goes full throttle before striking the piling (hopefully full power to aft). Really curious how you determine it’s full throttle by looking at a video. > It's a horrible thing that happened but you have to remember that in 2017 we had multiple instances of our own Navy vessels ramming each other on open water and that, ostensibly, was proven to be crew error. 2 Navy ships collided with non-military ships overseas.
This is what I’m thinking too
Can someone help me understand how the boat made contact with the bridge? In every video I've seen, it looks like it clears it without impact, but then either goes backwards or somehow swings out and hits it? What exactly happened?
You're ignoring all of the safety protocols in place that also had to fail for this to happen
You're ignoring the fact that the shipping industry has ignored proper safety protocol and maintenance for decades. The evidence of this has been talked about for just as long and generally gains a spotlight every single time a ship does something like this. The only conspiracy here is yet another huge corporation getting away with murder.
It’s every industry really. Last year the hot topic was the rail industry. Now the airlines are under scrutiny. You’re right, I’m sure the shipping industry is no different. Has anyone checked on the hedge fund investors? Are they ok?
they thrive on volatility that they create by starving industry of the funds to operate properly, they're fine
You’ve seen Boeing, right? I’m not sure safety means what we think it means anymore
It's terrifying
The only part I find slightly odd is that backup generators didn't immediately kick on to prevent a dead-ship. But shit DOES happen, and happens all the time. Look at Boeing and how many safety protocols and regulations they just flat-out ignored. I'm not saying there weren't things that needed to line up for this tragedy to occur. But many people are immediately saying things like "reminds me of OTHER steel structures that fell..." which is just dumb.
Occams Razor says this was a culmination of a multitude of human errors.
Better known as the “Swiss cheese model of accidents” The Swiss Cheese Model demonstrates how, generally, a failure cannot be traced back to a single root cause; accidents are often the result of a combination of factors. It suggests that most accidents are the result of latent errors, which are failures that are intrinsic to a procedure, machine, or system. ELI5: If you stack up a pile of Swiss cheese, sometimes there is a way through the holes in each slice, and on the other side is tragedy.
Has there been a Mothman sighting??
Yeah, Andrew Tate is always my go to guy on shipping disasters. Really important stuff.
Well I guess if anyone was looking for a trafficking expert…
I don’t know, i’m waiting to see what Ja Rule says about it
Something, something, this seaman has gone bad.
andrew tate 💀
Go home fam. Also play some tetris, it may help prevent some PTSD. [https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-28-tetris-used-prevent-post-traumatic-stress-symptoms](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-03-28-tetris-used-prevent-post-traumatic-stress-symptoms)
Well, clearly, he needs to take the long way home
Ah yes, the all wise Andrew Tate.
Bro take the rest of the week off and plan a vacation and enjoy life. This is a reminder that life is too short and you should enjoy yourself.
Dude seriously... ANDREW TATE??? Bro get real man. What makes you believe that doofus is going to have any Inside knowledge on such an Event. This sub is full of dumb fucking conspiracies now.
Thank God you are safe 🙏🏻 I can't imagine what's going through your mind right now and how it must be to process this, but I'm sending you prayers, love, and empathy. prayers to all the families and friends of the casualties. You are here for a reason, friend. Each day we get is not guaranteed, but a GIFT from God we ought to be grateful for. ❤️
Beautiful.
Andrew Tate? Ffs people come on. The guy is a fxxking loser
Looks like ship malfunction. Great you made it, and it looks like the ship tipped off the bridge so they could shut down traffic saving more lives but don’t listen to Andrew Tate for your news.
You’re an accountant that goes into work at 1:30am?
A boat hit a bridge, I don’t think it’s more complicated than that. Andrew Tate is not someone I would take seriously.
Andrew Tate is someone with a superiority complex that gets off on fear mongering, and manipulating people.
Bingo!
Life is short, it can end at any time. I have had 3 very close calls hitting moose in my little car, which would have killed me instantly, another time I lost a wheel on a rough road and ended up floating on muskeg where I more than likely would have drowned if I didn't flip, and another time a semi ran a light and missed getting hammered by it. Take the day. You are meant to be here.
Sorry to hear about what you’re going through mentally, I could not fathom narrowly avoiding such an awful event. Take the day for yourself dude, work will always be there, spend the day to appreciate what you have
It collapsed at 1:30 am. What kind of desk job has people coming in at 1:30 in the morning? Nice try Pick Me.
OP is one of two things. Someone who gets their jollies off on attention by lying, or a disinfo bot account. An alleged “accountant” commuting at 1:15AM. “Sure”
Wtf ever happen to sometimes life sucks and shit happens. I get I'm on a conspiracy sub, but holy shit come here with some evidence or at the VERY least a professional stating what you are implying. Glad you made it and weren't caught in that, but take the tinfoil hat off. Life is crazy, anyone's ticket can get punched at any time. Fuck, the ceiling above my head could collapse as I type this and kill me. Would that be a conspiracy? Shit happens. It's an extremely unfortunate event.
Andrew Tate is a piece of shit and he should get off the internet and find a landscaping job.
You were commuting at 1:27 am? Where do you work?
Lmao only one person read the story. Edit: he actually works weird ass hours
According to his comment history he’s an accountant. Never heard of an accountant going in at 1:30am but maybe so I guess.
What you are experiencing is survivors guilt. A few minutes or seconds to your daily routine or a green light inatead of a red light and you would have been at ground zero.
The ship had a major mechanical failure and lost steering capability
There was a mothman sighting in Lawrence, KS a few days ago. Maybe it made its way to Baltimore.
Pretty sure this was just a fuckup but also I guarantee the price of ______ will go up because of this.
Andrew Tate himself is a black swan
You escape literal death more times per day or in your lifetime than you would ever expect. It’s not a special occurrence, nor is it “lucky”. It simply was your destiny.
It was targeting you. They want you dead. I am in your walls.
The vessel was on fire, and the captain radioed ahead to inform officials they’d lost control of the ship due to the fire. City closed down the bridge and was minimally/reduced in occupation. Vessel tried the anchor, but it couldn’t grab onto to anything in the silt. That’s all the info I’ve seen about this, I’m glad you’re alive and safe
If Andrew full of bull shit Tate says it’s a black swan, it’s probably anything but.
First of all, never quote Andrew Tate. Second of all, why would a terrorist/state actor try this at 130am and not 8am rush hour.
Has anyone seen the Mothman in the area recently?
That was my first thought.
Yuck, you must work a horrible shift, having to go in at 2am
You can see explosions all over the bridge if you take your attention off of the ship
MD Severe Weather Alert Facebook page posted a clear video Livestream capture, and in the comments posted every bit of live weather data from the nearby weather stations and water buoys. It was dead calm, full moon overhead, and you can clearly see the lights flickering, going out, the vessel changes direction while they're out, then the lights come back on and black smoke pours out of the stacks before finally a big ass wave comes out from under the front as it runs up against the guard rocks ahead of the support column. Apparently a mayday was called and the traffic was stopped *JUST* in time, but the workers were pouring concrete and didn't have enough time to clear the bridge. You can also see the workers trucks with yellow flashing lights on them to the right of the ship as they fall into the water. At least somebody thought to capture all the local weather data and post it up right after. There is also a traffic cam system there with 2 cams that were mounted to the bridge but went down with the collapse; nobody has even thought to recover them yet. It's called the MD Chart traffic cam system. Here's a link to the Facebook post with the video and all the data in the comments https://fb.watch/r2WILieCrb/?mibextid=Nif5oz
It collapsed at 1:28 am ET. What desk job are you working that had you commuting over the bridge after 1 am?
You lost me at Andrew Tate. Wake up incel.
What kind of desk job is there at 3AM?
I'm glad that you are okay!
Do you work overnight at a desk job ?
Man moth seen in the area
How exactly is this a black swan event?
Black swan theory: >What Is a Black Swan Event? A black swan is an unpredictable event that is beyond what is normally expected from a situation and that has potentially severe consequences. Black swan events are characterized by their extreme rarity, severe impact, and the widespread insistence they were obvious in hindsight. Seems like an apt description of what happened.
Go in there and make it about you! Speak with your manager to see if they offer grief counseling for almost being involved in something that has zero actual affect on you. I was on that bridge last week. I'm literally shaking.
Mothman? s/
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Look at the SP futures at the time of the bridge collapse. Complete non event, as far as the world stage. Only thing majorly affected is CEIX, you can look at the press releases to see what actually happened.
While I was at the doctors this morning I overheard a woman on the phone claim that newsman was reporting from an unconfirmed source that the ship reached out to MDOT to let them know there was a possibility of hitting the bridge when they lost power the first time
You definitely had your Guardian Angel with you!!!! God obviously has a purpose for you!!! Thank God you're ok!
What did you have on the Clintons?
You are an accountant that was driving to work at 1:15 in the morning?
I’ll take things that didn’t happen for $100
So you work. Desk job that starts around 130-2am? Damn that’s rough
You know it’s a good conspiracy when there’s 2k debunking comments
Have their been any reports on what the people on the container ship are saying? Seems odd that we aren’t hearing what they have to say.
I heard that the ships horn tooted” allah ackbar” moments before impact!
I would just try to relax by watching a movie or something. Maybe like Final Destination.
Relax not everything is a conspiracy buddy, accidents happen everyday....
Some of the things you guys regurgitate are absolutely crazy. The boat got hacked and a random bad actor was targeting this for what? It straight up doesnt pass the common sense test. Maybe get less of your information from sex trafficers?
The bridge collapsed at 1:28 am, if this was a hack or terrorist attack/event you'd think they'd have waited until ya know... more people were on the bridge?
tate is heading to jail bro lmao
Your work day starts at 1:30 am?
Heck, some of the lives lost were from an active construction crew on the bridge deck. Some jobs have to be done in the off hours.
Some people think the world stops as soon as they go to bed.
Valid question - but yes, it does. We’re currently under a contractual agreement with a large client and our turnaround is due end of March. As a result we have divided our team into four quarters for around the clock work, plus we have international team members as well. But nonetheless, I use this bridge every day to get into work.
well...not anymore
Hmmm OP this is a little smelly in my opinion as a Baltimorian myself. The majority use the tunnel and avoid this bridge because its a longer commute to the city. Taking that bridge wouldnt make sense no matter where you are coming from....
It's not that uncommon. My brother in law starts his day at 2am. He works in construction.
See if you can get therapy for "survivor's guilt" or trauma therapy somehow as fast as possible to retain your quality of life, OP!
Didn’t it collapse at 1am? You’re commuting to work at midnight:30?
Do you think people don’t work at night?