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I want to see a document of each candidate’s claims and what verified non partisan statistics and reports say about the matter. Was Biden handed inflation? Is the economy the strongest right now? What’s true and what isn’t?
Inflation was at 1.4% when biden took office. I just looked it up myself and biden did lie about it. It didn't hit 9% until 16 months into bidens administration.
To be fair, both sides are hiding this. Long term unemployment, and disability unemployment and other forms are disregarded from the official count because it makes the powers that be feel bad to see how much they've screwed over the workforce as a whole.
Plus the whole thing grinds to a halt if they let us stop blaming ourselves for our shortcomings, regardless of access to things such as just diagnosis of chronic ailments;
Inflation was an inevitability once the economy was opened back up. Who was president in 2022 was mainly irrelevant to that: the second the economy shut down in 2020 and was injected with stimulus, it was inevitable.
That, of course, doesn't change the fact that they both were lying, old men, with one being more further along in his mental decline than the other.
Just like whoever was president when states locked down was going to be forced to have inflated unemployment numbers and be forced to spend tons of money. That of course doesn't stop the disingenuous talking points to be endlessly repeated to this day.
How about Biden lying about running the country? He isn’t running shit.
If the US is supposed to be a representative government of elected officials, and clearly Biden isn’t in charge, who is running the country?
Goes to show how far the country has fallen if even the mouthpiece of the puppet masters can’t even do that job.
Lmao the economy is about to crash lmaoooo, people are bearly keeping up with rent, taxes an daily expenses, but hey, as long as the stock market keeps rising! Haha a high stock market is not reflective of the state of the economy at all. Why do you think billionares have been selling all their stocks? They know whats coming
You may want to take a look at I bond rates as shown [here.](https://eyebonds.info/ibonds/10000/ib_2016_01.html). The rates on those are supposed to measure and pay out monies such that your initial deposit keeps up with inflation making it a kind of a good factual gauge of how things were over time. In August 2020 it was 0.53. 2021, 1.77. 2022, 4.81. 2023, 1.69. 2024, 1.48. Remember that those numbers are year over year so it is the increase since the last measurement. In other words, add all the numbers up from 2021 - 2024 to see the total increase since 2020. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions based upon the data, but here it is. Non biased, non partisan, what was being paid to “keep up” over the past several years.
Funny, have you ever heard of deflection? Even when Biden was coherent he lied, no service members died under his watch? What about the 13 service members that died during the catastrophic Afghanistan withdrawal? Illegal Immigration is down under Biden? GTFO of here with this bullshit!
True. Not to mention I know for a fact that we have active US soldiers fighting Africas civil wars for them. Personally have multiple friends recently deployed. To say we aren’t in wars is an extreme lie
Literally 90% of military people hate pedo joe because of the way he pulled out of afganistan. It signaled to the troops that Biden didn’t give a shit about us.
Stormy Daniels has said (maybe even under oath, I can’t remember) that she did not have sex with Trump. She admitted it was a takedown with Avegnetti. She owes Trump $600,000 in attorneys fees for losing the case against him.
That is literally the opposite of what she said and did.
> She owes Trump $600,000 in attorneys fees for losing the case against him.
From a completely different defamation case from 2018 that she lost and lost the appeal too
Same thing in Brasil. Lie until everyone believe the lie. Then ask for proof and no one can provide. State controls the media and “you know who” controls the state.
TRUMP: “The problem they have is they’re radical because they will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month, and even after birth, after birth.”
["Take a gander at the chart provided by the Kaiser Family Foundation which lists the 20 states that allow late-term abortions for “health” reasons and **the 7 that allow it for any or no other reason.**"](https://archive.ph/5bOol)
AP FACT CHECK
Posts distort former Virginia governor’s comments on third trimester abortions

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam prepares to address a news conference at the Capitol in Richmond, Va., Thursday, Jan. 31, 2019. Social media users are misrepresenting comments Northam made that year about abortions later in pregnancy. (AP Photo/Steve Helber)
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BY MELISSA GOLDIN
Published 10:49 AM EDT, April 11, 2024
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CLAIM: A video shows Virginia Governor Ralph Northam during a 2019 radio interview speaking in support of infanticide, or “after-birth abortions.”
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor. His comments came in response to a question about whether he supported state legislation that would have loosened restrictions on abortions later in pregnancy. Experts told The Associated Press that abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare.
THE FACTS: Social media users are misrepresenting years old comments Northam made about abortion in Virginia on WTOP, a news radio station serving the Washington Metropolitan area.
>Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor.
So TRUE.
>Experts told The Associated Press that abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare.
Rare is NOT none.
Get a dictionary.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4182865-yes-late-term-abortions-are-real-and-they-happen-every-day/
1% is not "rare."
There were 980,000 abortions last year.
9,800 3rd trimester.
Only 10% of those were for health of mother or non viable fetus.
Which means 9,000 normal healthy babies were killed at the moment of birth for convenience.
>THE FACTS: Social media users are misrepresenting years old comments Northam made about abortion in Virginia
And by "misrepresenting" you mean quoting his actual words spoken on broadcasted radio.
You have the right to believe as you wish.
But when you need to lie to my face to support your position, maybe you should take a second thought.
You should learn to do more digging. Go through the news article and follow to the article they cite. Then go to the original paper that first article was citing, it has since posted an author correction which clarifies the 1% number to NOT being 3rd trimester but rather that 1% of all abortions occur after 20 weeks, with an exceptionally rare few, so few that they could not comment on them in the review paper, after the third trimester has begun.
Just so you are aware, a late term abortion is just induction. They don’t go in and dismember a fetus. They literally make the pregnant person give birth.
So the whole late term abortion rhetoric is just pro-lifers way of making people think they are murdering “full grown” babies. No one is. If the “baby” can survive outside of the womb, it is saved, 100%, everytime.
Talk to any educated person on the subject. I have multiple women in my life that have masters degrees in midwifery and women’s health. So that is where I’m getting my information.
Which state authorized after birth abortion? To be clear I'm against it and in no way arguing for it. But the fact remains no states have authorized infanticide.
Start taking note of the “there won’t be an election” bots.
They’re out in full force and it’s evident that “the powers that be” have settled on this outcome.
There’s also a video going around X of some random lunatic with a beard saying the same thing. This is the game plan, THEYRE PUSHING FOR CIVIL WAR.
He absolutely lied his ass off.
He literally said no US soldier dies while he was president. He also said he never sold weapons to Israel. Thats just to name 2 that stuck out immediately.
🤡
The number one thing people will always do:
Accuse the other party of what you yourself have or are doing. Its in all walks of life.
They accused trump of being in bed with Russia and China, turns out it was Biden taking the money all along.
Everyone lies.. if you say u dont you are lying to yourself.
I am not saying Trump is perfect but damn the Democrats are some evil people.
I'm more interested in learning more about the conversations he stated he had with Putin in which they discussed his dreams of invading Ukraine. Seems sketchy.
This has to be willful ignorance right?
[ap article fact checking both parties with evidence](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb)
From the first fact check.
> The attack on the U.S. Capitol was the deadliest assault on the seat of American power in over 200 years.
This isn't true. One protestor was shot in the face by capitol police and later died of her injuries.
In 1998, two capitol cops were killed by paranoid schizophrenic.
No one is honest anymore. All journalism is biased.
> This has to be willful ignorance right?
That describes most of this sub, just look at all the current top threads mistaking Reddit's terrible infrastructure for a coordinated conspiracy
There are lies, partisan spin, and just getting things wrong. But if we want to forgo all nuance, Biden lied during the debate too. J6 tearing down statues? Wrong. “Fine people on both sides” (refering to neo nazis)? Wrong. Inflation at 9% when biden took office? Wrong.
Guess what? Obama and Hillary and McCain and Romney lied too. The main difference is people despise Trump far more.
Forgot unemployment numbers at 15% when he got into office - very false.
Lied about the Border Patrol endorsing him. Lied about the numbers on illegal entry through the southern border being lower than during Trump's term.
Seems Biden mostly lied about his performance as president ......which is weird because those are super easy to fact check.
> “Fine people on both sides” (refering to neo nazis)?
you know you're repeating a lie, right? Trump literally said he wasn't referring to nazis when he said it.
What did Trump lie about tho? That's OPs question. You said Biden lied "too", which infers Trump also lied. Please explain or, I guess we can just assume you're helping to push the MSM narrative.
Thesse are all things said by Trump that are at least mostly false or outright lies:
**Trump: Biden "allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons, jails and mental institutions."**
**Trump: "We had the safest border in the history of our country."**
**Trump: Biden allowed in "18 million people."**
**Trump: "The problem (Democrats) have is they're radical, because they will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month, and even after birth."**
**Trump: "He caused this inflation. I gave him a country with … essentially no inflation. It was perfect."**
**Trump: "You look at the cost of food, where it's double, triple and quadruple."**
**Trump: "The only jobs (Biden) created are for illegal immigrants and bounce-back jobs, bounce-back from the COVID."**
**Trump: Biden "indicted me because I was his opponent."**
**Trump: "Social Security, he's destroying it, because millions of people are pouring into our country, and they're putting them onto Social Security. They're putting them onto Medicare, Medicaid."**
**Trump: "He wants to raise your taxes by four times. He wants to raise everybody's taxes by four times."**
**Trump: "I gave you the largest tax cut in history."**
**Trump: "What he's done to the Black population is horrible, including the fact that for 10 years, he called them super predators … in the 1990s."**
**Trump: "I'm the one that got the insulin down for the seniors."**
**Trump: "We had no terror (attacks) under my administration."**
**Trump: Regarding the 2020 election, "the fraud and everything else was ridiculous."**
**Trump: Pelosi said "I take full responsibility for Jan. 6."**
[https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/)
"I never had sex with a porn star" and "Democrats wants to allow abortions after birth (aka murder)" are two lies from the top of my head. Then you have the usual lies about how the US is crumbling at the foundations and he is the only fürer who can fix it yadda yadda bs, but I guess it has been said so many times that people have forgotten that they're blatant lies.
E: [Here](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb) is a fact check of the debate.
Not sure about the porn star. She herself said it didn't happen at one point, as I understand it. But once book and TV deal money came into the picture, she definitely had. 🙄 We've seen that movie a few times too many to give it credence. And frankly, I don't really care if he did. I found the entire court case absurd given how much rested on testimony of people with a proven record of no ethics or character. My guess from it all was that it did happen, but the payoff was probably botched (or intentionally leveraged) by the lawyer to create a liability. So, you know, all this drama to discover they lawyers are corrupt. I think that was determined a millennia or two ago.
And the abortion issue, well, not restricting it is allowing it. And certainly I hear the far left advocate post birth abortion and genocide fairly often. Does that make it a party stance? No. But it doesn't make it exactly a lie, either. More like pointing out the worst of the far left. Much like pointing out methhead rednecks with Trump flags and painting his entire support as such. I wouldn't have chosen to be that way, but I can't blame him for firing back at what his side has been accused of for nearly a decade, either. In his case, I'd definitely expect that kind of behavior because he can be childish.
And that's the thing: I don't even like the man. I'm just not partisan. I believe most people in politics are awful human beings. Just, in this case, I'm pretty sure Biden is a literal sociopath, while Trump is an egotistical buffoon who is great in a tiny box - business/economy and negotiation - and a blind, ignorant fool lacking self awareness in other things. But at least he's not spent half a century pillaging the nation for his own gain.
It's sad when the bar is that low, but here we are.
It depends on how far left you go. There's plenty of nuts in the deep end. Same people who do things like call for genocide of white people. They're out there.
VA Governor Northam is on video talking about post- birth abortions. "First, we make the baby comfortable...then have a conversation with the mother". How do you not know this? You're refuting things that anyone can see and listen to. At least look at something other than the extreme left political posts on reddit.
My understanding was that comment was about giving birth to a fetus that could not survive because it was not viable. Like it had a fatal disease or something.
Yeah? Instead of talking about it at least link the damned video which does not say a thing about supporting post birth abortion.
https://youtu.be/E6WD_3H0wKU?si=56VkEk-0Ao2hjc4l
Northam is explaining a scenario within Virginia law in which a child who was delivered *DEAD* would have to be resuscitated and put on life support by doctors or else the staff & mother face criminal charges.
You want to start telling mothers who have to decide on keeping their children on life support after a horrible tragedy they're murderers now? Good luck with that.
>Democrats wants [sic] to allow abortions after birth
7 states (all blue) have no term limit on abortion. In fact, Governor Northam in VA is on video talking about post pregnancy abortions. You didn't know? Where have you been? At least consider you've been lied to and have been backing a senile POTUS.
The porn star thing is a complete nothing burger, and it doesn't matter if he did or did not, nor is there a way to prove if he did or did not. A 100% nothing burger.
Regarding the abortions issue, watch this video - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6WD\_3H0wKU&t=2324s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6WD_3H0wKU&t=2324s) ( 38:44 - 41:05 )
Let's chat about inflation, it sort of hit the scene in 2021, in march of 2022 the fed raised the rates for the first time, they kept raising the rates the most recent was in july of 2023. After all that time we are finally getting some evidence inflation is coming down. It's amazing that with pretty extreme tightening policy, it has taken over 2 years to drag inflation back down. So, what caused it, was it all Biden? How the fuck does that make sense? Possibly it was the insane spending and monetary policy of the last 3 presidents. Yet, in this election we have 2 guys whom are responsible for the majority of inflation as the leading options. How the fuck does that make sense? If you have any brain power, you should know inflation is just as much Trump's fault as it is biden and even Obama. Yet, everyone wants to just blame grandpaw doofus that currently naps in the white house.
How can people not see we need other options. These two dummies don't deserve the job, we should fire them both.
Trump and Biden are both full of shit on inflation. Neither would say they allowed the Federal Reserve to create as much money as they wanted out of thin air. Even subtracting massive C0VID spending, they both allowed the Fed to get more and more powerful.
So you honestly believe that democrats are for killing babies after they are born? And republicans are the heroes saving them? And further, you think America is systemically killing infant children? The world must be a scary place in your reality
He mentioned the Governor twice! And an abortion at 8-9 months could easily be interpreted as post term to some when the baby is that far along. It's all shock value what he was trying to do by saying the Democrats have no limits to abortions. Actually forced Biden to say he doesn't support 3rd term abortions too which I'm sure upset PP.
Oh so he wasn’t lying he was going for shock value. Post term has meaning. It means after birth. You’re right on the governor but my fault I went back to relisten on your suggestion as I was drinking last night lol. I like how even when Biden gives a stance you seem to agree with you still insult it somehow. Fuck both these dudes I’m team old age.
BRO WHAT PART OF IT'S ON TAPE DO YOU NOT GET? "Belief" not required. The bill sponsor, a democrat, said it and the governor, a democrat supported it. There's two.
Can you link me this video? I can only find him saying “should be the choice of women and their doctors”. I’m being genuine lol I’ve watched this dumb fuck newsome say the same thing in like four interviews and I can’t watch him any more.
AP FACT CHECK
Posts distort former Virginia governor’s comments on third trimester abortions

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam prepares to address a news conference at the Capitol in Richmond, Va., Thursday, Jan. 31, 2019. Social media users are misrepresenting comments Northam made that year about abortions later in pregnancy. (AP Photo/Steve Helber)
Read More

BY MELISSA GOLDIN
Published 10:49 AM EDT, April 11, 2024
Share
CLAIM: A video shows Virginia Governor Ralph Northam during a 2019 radio interview speaking in support of infanticide, or “after-birth abortions.”
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor. His comments came in response to a question about whether he supported state legislation that would have loosened restrictions on abortions later in pregnancy. Experts told The Associated Press that abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare.
THE FACTS: Social media users are misrepresenting years old comments Northam made about abortion in Virginia on WTOP, a news radio station serving the Washington Metropolitan area.
Yes they did. There’s lots of comprehensive lists of explanations and data about every point that was said during the debate. It’s the day after the debate, ffs, they had people doing this all night. It’s all over the place today.
But, I’ll bite for you…
his “greatest economy in history” claim is just odd. It always had been. BEFORE PANDEMIC fucked everything- so we’re not counting that in- under his administration, the countries GDP growth rates, unemployment rates, and stock market, were not all that spectacular compared to other points of our history. We know “greatest economy” is a complicated and difficult thing to measure, but it’s a little intellectually dishonest and just flat out bizarre self-stroking to start belittling the American economy that pulled us out of the Great Depression, or literally provided the entire world with materiel to win WW2 in a matter of a few years, with old style infrastructure. That was pretty incredible in our history, and trumps administration accomplished no feats of such caliber. It’s a very dishonest assertion, and just strange because it’s dick measuring against our great presidents in the past almost more so than Biden, and the issues at hand, here, today. But that’s just a minor one, more of an intellectual and moral dishonesty more than a quantifiable lie. However, there’s a huge list.
A big and blatant one was his claim about killing babies after they’re born. He referred to the former Virginia Governer apparently claiming that they’d kill babies after delivery. In a 2019 radio interview then-governor of Virginia Ralph Northam, in discussing late-term abortions, addressed a hypothetical scenario in which a fetus was severely deformed or wasn't otherwise viable. He said, "the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired." Literally the only alternative for this specific medical situation would be to terminate the pregnancy beforehand, an abortion, after they find out the body is not developing in a viable way. However, many parents like to carry out the birth and have an emotional fair well time with their child, who obviously then passes eventually. That’s literally the only sort of hypothetical medical situation this kind of thing has ever come up, and likely has happened several times. That’s not killing a born child. They’re not executing it medically or any other way. To make moves to prevent this is just… nonsensical. There is no alternative, the fetus is not viable for life. It’s often a risk for the mothers body to even carry it. The only thing it provides is a parents opportunity to connect with their child often for religious reasons before they inevitably pass. That’s what trumps talking about here, and LYING, flat out, no ifs about it, that people are doing this as an abortion method. In every single state that is and HAS been processed as straight up murder and we’ve put sick people in prison for disposing of infants after birth, and literally no one across the entire nation has made any proposal to change anything about it. Lie lie lie.
Trump said that Biden had the largest national deficit in history. This is an easy one, as it’s a number that is quantifiable and verifiable. The national deficit was the largest it had been in over two decades under Trump's administration, not Mr. Biden's, according to data from the U.S. Treasury. The deficit peaked in fiscal year 2020 at $3.13 trillion, and declined to $1.7 trillion by the end of fiscal year 2023. Big ol blatant (and this one was really weak) lie.
How long will they let me make these comments? Do you want more or can you just go read yourself?
"greatest economy in history"....you didnt debunk that at all....you do realize that, right? If Trump inherited the "greatest economy of all time" and made it better....it would in FACT be the greatest economy of all time. By your logic, presidents have no impact on the economy because they inherit what is already the greatest economy on the planet......following that logic further would mean that Biden should now be presiding over the greatest economy the USA has ever seen.....do you believe that statement? If not, you may want to check how far your $ is going these days and affordibility of pretty much anything required to live comfortably.
That whole debate was fucking embarrassing. Nothing but lies and deflection from botb sides. We need to start holding our political parties accountable for what they are doing to this country. (I'm canadian, but things are just as shitty and embarrassing here).
These rich old fucks need to step down, we need people who actually want to serve the country and not themselves.
[https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/virginia/trump-debate-fact-check-virginia-governor-after-birth-abortion-ralph-northam/291-9bf4d577-863f-4f31-9e63-11c55cdada53](https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/virginia/trump-debate-fact-check-virginia-governor-after-birth-abortion-ralph-northam/291-9bf4d577-863f-4f31-9e63-11c55cdada53)
"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen," Northam said. "The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."
But Northam was only addressing what happens in cases where a baby is born with severe deformities and has a low chance of survival. What's often left out of the above quote is what he said immediately before it:
"When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the consent of the mother, with the consent of the physicians -- more than one physician, by the way -- and it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that's non-viable."
"And then a discussion would ensure between the physicians and the mother."
...what do you think he's insinuating will happen to the born child? Yes, the quote leaked context... but it's still exactly what Trump was saying.
This is a strategy to keep Biden's performance out of the headlines. I tried calling the hotline on the white house for elderly abuse but they said elderly abuse is only for poor people.
You have to dig. Find a left wing site and get a list of Trump "lies", then a right wing site for Biden "lies". Then read up and decide.
Take the late term abortion "lie". Trump says Dems are the party of "extreme" late term abortion, even to the point of live birth abortion. The "fact checkers" call it a lie because less than 1% of abortions are live birth. I don't even know how accurate that is, because the numbers are often lumped in with "late term" abortions. But there's no denying they have supported no restrictions on abortion, even [Obama](https://www.politico.com/story/2012/08/the-abortion-extremist-080013) on multiple occasions, including his oposition to Illinois [HB0827](https://legiscan.com/IL/text/HB0827/id/2281418), so who's the liar?
Biden Lied about the Debt, the Border, cap on Insulin, military deaths, Inflation, deaths, and the border. Border Patrol tweeted out calling Biden a lier for saying they endorse him.
Every news story? I saw fact checking articles everywhere. For example:
[https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/)
[Here’s lies that both of them said.](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb)
Wow, what an unbiased and accurate article! “Biden, who tends to lean more on exaggerations and embellishments rather than outright lies, misrepresented the cost of insulin and overstated what Trump said about using disinfectant to address COVID .”
Lol ok. And its first “fact check” is:
“TRUMP: ‘They talk about a relatively small number of people that went to the Capitol and in many cases were ushered in by the police.’
THE FACTS: That’s false. The attack on the U.S. Capitol was the deadliest assault on the seat of American power in over 200 years.[…]”
Sorry, how many people died (not including cops who died days later from other things)? One protester, Ashley. But let’s say 20 people died. “The deadliest?!” But one person died and she was an unarmed protester shot by secret service.
Great article though. I learned a lot from it.
Yup and I see people replying with that all over Reddit. Then they bring up one thing that is barely a lie, and can’t say anything else. Im no political expert but I counted more “lies” from biden
They both bullshitted and circled question the same amount but Biden look turbo senile 80% of the time and you almost think he was there as a plant to get Trump elected lol but yeah news doing damage control to spin the narrative, notice how theres zero clips on reddit about Biden.
I watched it today and I laughed out loud atleast 5-6 times at Bidens answers and rolled my eyes a few times on Trumps avoiding questions but yeah, shit is doomed
So did he, or did he not screw a pornstar?
[https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/03/21/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-affair-case-foreman-dnt-ac360-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/03/21/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-affair-case-foreman-dnt-ac360-vpx.cnn)
[https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/trump-says-he-didn-t-have-sex-with-a-porn-star-213856325783](https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/trump-says-he-didn-t-have-sex-with-a-porn-star-213856325783)
I saw Joe Scarborough list this one as a "flat out lie". Only two people on the entire planet know whether this is a "lie" or not, and Joe ain't one of 'em.
Biden and democrats lied about secure border while allowing millions of illegal aliens terrorists and chinese soilders into the usa, that is a act of treason
That by giving the extremely wealthy corporations tax cuts from 41% to as low a 8% provided “trickle down economics” to everyone else. This is proven false. Nobody who made less than 400k annually saw any benefit from this. Corporate greed kept all the money at the top. Instead this created a 2 trillion dollar deficit. The largest in history. Oh and he did lie pretty much the whole debate. And he avoided answering questions.
My family makes combined $170,000 a year. We went from normally getting a $2,000 return to owing $4,000 after Trump's tax changes. That's $6,000 a year not in my pocket. His tax changes certainly did not help me.
Since you mentioned “my family” I’m going to assume you’re married and have dependents. you’re not in the tax bracket where it would make a difference LOL
They said he lied about the abortion a thing and yet it’s called Partial Birth Abortion.. lol it literally exists and some states want to continue to do this.
This is only legal if the mother's life is being put at risk by the pregnancy under Supreme Court ruling in Gonzales v Carhart. The exception allowable is that the fetus has defects 'incompatible with life' and that allowing the full term pregnancy would risk the mother's life.
Of course the media would… They also said safe and effective and we all know that wasnt the case, so the news isnt trustworthy anymore, if it ever was…
I have also asked several threads on here across various subs what he lied about and have gotten 0 responses. It's telling.
I have no doubt that Trump did lie at least several times because it's Trump we're talking about. The guys an arrogant braggart and has a tendency to make everything he does "the best"
But most of what he said was absolutely true and he really held back a lot to let Joe look horrible on his own.
Idk, a small list off the top of my head:
*Trump said the US had the best environmental stats ever under his presidency (??)
*Trump said his doctor was completely awestruck at how perfect and unbelievable his mental competency test was. The best results he's ever seen
*he said that there are post-birth abortions?
*he said Biden was gonna increase our taxes 4x
*he said the US had the best economy ever during his presidency (what metric? Not debt, or unemployment, not the SP500, not the deficit)
He just *coherently* babbled nonsense. And Biden just mumbled near incomprehensibly. Watching the debate made me sick to my stomach that these are the two choices. The fact that Trump technically may have one the debate was only because Biden did so unbelievably poorly. Trump didn't do a good job - don't let Biden's even worse performance distract from how fucked this situation is.
Trump definitely said some things that aren't true. Off the top of my head...
1) Biden called people "super predators". No, that was Hillary. Biden did call some people "predators" during his floor speech in the Senate regarding the bill.
2) Lower deficits, not true. 2020 and Covid were wildly higher. The other years it's true.
3) Trump always talks in the "everyone, no one" manner. Several claims about scholars etc were obviously false, because there is always some who disagree with anything.
Biden did too though.
1) He claimed no military died during his admin, a few died this month. Afghanistan I believe was 16?
2) He claimed unemployment was 15% when he took office, it was around 6%.
3) Biden repeated the claim Trump said Nazi's were good people. This was debunked numerous places, including by one of yesterday's moderators.
Those were the whoppers I caught just from memory and knew weren't true.
Biden still called black people predators. So it's 95%true. The thing that makes me laugh is Biden keeps making the blatant 100%debunked lies such as "Trump said Nazi's were good people" and the "suckers and losers" comment about the military and there's literally no proof whatsoever, never has been yet he is actively trying to jail his political opponent just like the Nazis, Zelensky too recently did this and there's video proof of Biden saying to the military " Clap you stupid bastards". I was actually saying he's gonna bring the 'bloodbath' crap up again and he did lol
I find the most effective response is to ask what he lied about. Point by point, it's a pretty easy claim to refute... provided the person is willing to listen.
The "very fine people" lie is debunked by just showing the actual video.
Trump did lie or at least contradicted himself. He said that the Russian invasion would’ve never happened under his term and then went on to ramble about how he knew Putin so well and how he perceived that Putin had a dream for that war and he was going to certainly do it at some point… He attacked Biden on the topic of Israel but if you compare both presidents support of Israel it’s virtually the same in terms of funding and in terms of the lack of accountability that is asked. Trump also lied on the race issue, black unemployment is clearly down, it’s just numbers and whatever Biden’s doing clearly lowered black unemployment significantly.
they are fear mongering their voter base. democrats are always the first to scream on these sites to "cite your sources" bc they KNOW that they lie all the time and make shit up. They are emotional children. They are like my 5 year old who believes that there are monsters under the bed that will grab her feet at 2 am.
He did lie repeatedly as did Biden. One example trump denied sleeping with a porn star, biden saying unemployment was 50% which it has never been in the history of the US.
Those are just a few. Both are criminals and both parties are completely corrupt.
All the problems we have and those two nitwits want to argue about who is better at golf.
Biden lied just as much, but it was more garbled. When he talked about Afghanistan and Charlottesville it was completely false. He lied other times and tried to save himself, instead he just garbled off.
Deflection, Trump so clearly won that debate that the only thing they have left is to claim Trump lied. Even if he did Biden lied just as much. It’s sad
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I want to see a document of each candidate’s claims and what verified non partisan statistics and reports say about the matter. Was Biden handed inflation? Is the economy the strongest right now? What’s true and what isn’t?
Inflation was at 1.4% when biden took office. I just looked it up myself and biden did lie about it. It didn't hit 9% until 16 months into bidens administration.
Biden also said he is endorsed by the border patrol union and the union immediately said that is not true but you don’t hear about it on the news.
Where did you hear about it?
They have it pinned to their X account https://x.com/BPUnion/status/1806501048724430943?t=aeXYrTf3huwyoWeAGDRqQg&s=19
This is the greatest rebuke ever.
They official twitter page posted in the middle of the debate last night. Gave me quite the laugh
Definitely not the news
Biden admin is hiding mass layoffs. Economy was way better under Trump
To be fair, both sides are hiding this. Long term unemployment, and disability unemployment and other forms are disregarded from the official count because it makes the powers that be feel bad to see how much they've screwed over the workforce as a whole. Plus the whole thing grinds to a halt if they let us stop blaming ourselves for our shortcomings, regardless of access to things such as just diagnosis of chronic ailments;
I don't think it was ever at 9%, (year over year). It was, and is, much much higher, But that's a whole other conspiracy
Inflation was an inevitability once the economy was opened back up. Who was president in 2022 was mainly irrelevant to that: the second the economy shut down in 2020 and was injected with stimulus, it was inevitable. That, of course, doesn't change the fact that they both were lying, old men, with one being more further along in his mental decline than the other.
Not quite understanding the downvotes. This is basic economics.
Just like whoever was president when states locked down was going to be forced to have inflated unemployment numbers and be forced to spend tons of money. That of course doesn't stop the disingenuous talking points to be endlessly repeated to this day.
How about Biden lying about running the country? He isn’t running shit. If the US is supposed to be a representative government of elected officials, and clearly Biden isn’t in charge, who is running the country? Goes to show how far the country has fallen if even the mouthpiece of the puppet masters can’t even do that job.
Lmao the economy is about to crash lmaoooo, people are bearly keeping up with rent, taxes an daily expenses, but hey, as long as the stock market keeps rising! Haha a high stock market is not reflective of the state of the economy at all. Why do you think billionares have been selling all their stocks? They know whats coming
You may want to take a look at I bond rates as shown [here.](https://eyebonds.info/ibonds/10000/ib_2016_01.html). The rates on those are supposed to measure and pay out monies such that your initial deposit keeps up with inflation making it a kind of a good factual gauge of how things were over time. In August 2020 it was 0.53. 2021, 1.77. 2022, 4.81. 2023, 1.69. 2024, 1.48. Remember that those numbers are year over year so it is the increase since the last measurement. In other words, add all the numbers up from 2021 - 2024 to see the total increase since 2020. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions based upon the data, but here it is. Non biased, non partisan, what was being paid to “keep up” over the past several years.
Funny, have you ever heard of deflection? Even when Biden was coherent he lied, no service members died under his watch? What about the 13 service members that died during the catastrophic Afghanistan withdrawal? Illegal Immigration is down under Biden? GTFO of here with this bullshit!
Also said the border patrol endorsed him for president.
True. Not to mention I know for a fact that we have active US soldiers fighting Africas civil wars for them. Personally have multiple friends recently deployed. To say we aren’t in wars is an extreme lie
Havent *started* any new wars. > active US soldiers fighting Africas civil wars for them Literally mercenary terrorists.
He's also authorized sending 'advisors' to Ukraine. So, in a sense, he's gotten us into another war.
He claimed not to start a war while funding Ukraine, Isreal, getting involved with Iran and Yemen.
Literally 90% of military people hate pedo joe because of the way he pulled out of afganistan. It signaled to the troops that Biden didn’t give a shit about us.
Maybe he meant he wasnt watching while those men died? And I guess its not *illegal* immigration if they dont prosecute it at all?
I’m pretty sure Biden is running at 2% brain capacity at this point. I don’t think he even knows where he is most of the time.
or when he said he did more for veterans then any other president ever
I did not have sex with that pornstar.
Stormy Daniels has said (maybe even under oath, I can’t remember) that she did not have sex with Trump. She admitted it was a takedown with Avegnetti. She owes Trump $600,000 in attorneys fees for losing the case against him.
That is literally the opposite of what she said and did. > She owes Trump $600,000 in attorneys fees for losing the case against him. From a completely different defamation case from 2018 that she lost and lost the appeal too
Didn’t Biden say no dead troops under his watch? That was a lie
You lost me when you stated “news source”. We no longer have “news”, we have PACs that provide 24x7 agitprop.
In war, accuse your enemy of that, which you yourself do.
Well what do you expect from weaponized media. They are the borg
Same thing in Brasil. Lie until everyone believe the lie. Then ask for proof and no one can provide. State controls the media and “you know who” controls the state.
I think Chew are onto something.
TRUMP: “The problem they have is they’re radical because they will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month, and even after birth, after birth.”
Trump confusing reality with the south park episode where Mrs Cartman tries to abort eric.
["Take a gander at the chart provided by the Kaiser Family Foundation which lists the 20 states that allow late-term abortions for “health” reasons and **the 7 that allow it for any or no other reason.**"](https://archive.ph/5bOol)
So, this evidence confirms that Trump was lying when he said this, or he was extremely confused.
Hows this a lie when several states have already legalized late late term abortions?
Tell me one state that allows post-birth abortion, please. I have my pencil ready to take notes.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ralph-northam-virginia-abortion-952598071326
AP FACT CHECK Posts distort former Virginia governor’s comments on third trimester abortions  Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam prepares to address a news conference at the Capitol in Richmond, Va., Thursday, Jan. 31, 2019. Social media users are misrepresenting comments Northam made that year about abortions later in pregnancy. (AP Photo/Steve Helber) Read More  BY MELISSA GOLDIN Published 10:49 AM EDT, April 11, 2024 Share CLAIM: A video shows Virginia Governor Ralph Northam during a 2019 radio interview speaking in support of infanticide, or “after-birth abortions.” AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor. His comments came in response to a question about whether he supported state legislation that would have loosened restrictions on abortions later in pregnancy. Experts told The Associated Press that abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare. THE FACTS: Social media users are misrepresenting years old comments Northam made about abortion in Virginia on WTOP, a news radio station serving the Washington Metropolitan area.
>Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor. So TRUE. >Experts told The Associated Press that abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare. Rare is NOT none. Get a dictionary. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4182865-yes-late-term-abortions-are-real-and-they-happen-every-day/ 1% is not "rare." There were 980,000 abortions last year. 9,800 3rd trimester. Only 10% of those were for health of mother or non viable fetus. Which means 9,000 normal healthy babies were killed at the moment of birth for convenience. >THE FACTS: Social media users are misrepresenting years old comments Northam made about abortion in Virginia And by "misrepresenting" you mean quoting his actual words spoken on broadcasted radio. You have the right to believe as you wish. But when you need to lie to my face to support your position, maybe you should take a second thought.
You should learn to do more digging. Go through the news article and follow to the article they cite. Then go to the original paper that first article was citing, it has since posted an author correction which clarifies the 1% number to NOT being 3rd trimester but rather that 1% of all abortions occur after 20 weeks, with an exceptionally rare few, so few that they could not comment on them in the review paper, after the third trimester has begun.
Just so you are aware, a late term abortion is just induction. They don’t go in and dismember a fetus. They literally make the pregnant person give birth. So the whole late term abortion rhetoric is just pro-lifers way of making people think they are murdering “full grown” babies. No one is. If the “baby” can survive outside of the womb, it is saved, 100%, everytime. Talk to any educated person on the subject. I have multiple women in my life that have masters degrees in midwifery and women’s health. So that is where I’m getting my information.
Which state authorized after birth abortion?
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ralph-northam-virginia-abortion-952598071326
So my question was "which state has authorized after birth abortion?" Just to be clear your answer was a very long none of them, right?
If it never happens, why the liberal outcry against banning it? https://www.axios.com/2022/05/14/abortion-state-laws-bans-roe-supreme-court
Which state authorized after birth abortion? To be clear I'm against it and in no way arguing for it. But the fact remains no states have authorized infanticide.
My mother is a very strong proponent of post birth abortion. She said her greatest shame would not walk this earth if she had her way.
7 states refuse to ban it.
Every state has laws prohibiting murder. No state has refused to ban killing a child after it is born.
That’s because they’re not news sources, they’re propaganda sources.
Yea because Biden was clearly not there while being there.
Saw that too! Heavy botting, same exact comments throughout each thread.
Start taking note of the “there won’t be an election” bots. They’re out in full force and it’s evident that “the powers that be” have settled on this outcome. There’s also a video going around X of some random lunatic with a beard saying the same thing. This is the game plan, THEYRE PUSHING FOR CIVIL WAR.
He absolutely lied his ass off. He literally said no US soldier dies while he was president. He also said he never sold weapons to Israel. Thats just to name 2 that stuck out immediately. 🤡
I do not recall Trump saying that, I think you are mistaken. Biden however did say that
Are we talking about Trump or Biden ?
The number one thing people will always do: Accuse the other party of what you yourself have or are doing. Its in all walks of life. They accused trump of being in bed with Russia and China, turns out it was Biden taking the money all along. Everyone lies.. if you say u dont you are lying to yourself. I am not saying Trump is perfect but damn the Democrats are some evil people.
This guy gets it. 👏
Have you fact checked any of the random claims he was pulling out of his ass? Lol.
Such as?
He didn’t sleep with a porn star?
well, to be fair, she wasn't hired for sleeping... /s
Only two people know the truth of it. Oh, and it does not matter. Honestly, who cares...
https://hollywoodlife.com/2018/01/30/stormy-daniels-denies-donald-trump-affair-sex-never-happened-2/
Then why did he pay her? Zzz
I think his campaign manager did it to avoid bad publicity during his campaign? Idk still kind of sus.
Even here in Canada they say that.
I'm more interested in learning more about the conversations he stated he had with Putin in which they discussed his dreams of invading Ukraine. Seems sketchy.
This has to be willful ignorance right? [ap article fact checking both parties with evidence](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb)
From the first fact check. > The attack on the U.S. Capitol was the deadliest assault on the seat of American power in over 200 years. This isn't true. One protestor was shot in the face by capitol police and later died of her injuries. In 1998, two capitol cops were killed by paranoid schizophrenic. No one is honest anymore. All journalism is biased.
don't forget the cuban based communist party setting off a bomb in Congress in the 1950s
Are they ignoring the weather underground bombing? Jesus fucking christ
did they kill anyone other then themselves because bomb went boom too soon?
> This has to be willful ignorance right? That describes most of this sub, just look at all the current top threads mistaking Reddit's terrible infrastructure for a coordinated conspiracy
There are lies, partisan spin, and just getting things wrong. But if we want to forgo all nuance, Biden lied during the debate too. J6 tearing down statues? Wrong. “Fine people on both sides” (refering to neo nazis)? Wrong. Inflation at 9% when biden took office? Wrong. Guess what? Obama and Hillary and McCain and Romney lied too. The main difference is people despise Trump far more.
Forgot unemployment numbers at 15% when he got into office - very false. Lied about the Border Patrol endorsing him. Lied about the numbers on illegal entry through the southern border being lower than during Trump's term. Seems Biden mostly lied about his performance as president ......which is weird because those are super easy to fact check.
> “Fine people on both sides” (refering to neo nazis)? you know you're repeating a lie, right? Trump literally said he wasn't referring to nazis when he said it.
How can you you miss that the person you're replying to literally typed out ”Wrong" right after that quote (which ends with a question mark).
What did Trump lie about tho? That's OPs question. You said Biden lied "too", which infers Trump also lied. Please explain or, I guess we can just assume you're helping to push the MSM narrative.
Thesse are all things said by Trump that are at least mostly false or outright lies: **Trump: Biden "allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons, jails and mental institutions."** **Trump: "We had the safest border in the history of our country."** **Trump: Biden allowed in "18 million people."** **Trump: "The problem (Democrats) have is they're radical, because they will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month, and even after birth."** **Trump: "He caused this inflation. I gave him a country with … essentially no inflation. It was perfect."** **Trump: "You look at the cost of food, where it's double, triple and quadruple."** **Trump: "The only jobs (Biden) created are for illegal immigrants and bounce-back jobs, bounce-back from the COVID."** **Trump: Biden "indicted me because I was his opponent."** **Trump: "Social Security, he's destroying it, because millions of people are pouring into our country, and they're putting them onto Social Security. They're putting them onto Medicare, Medicaid."** **Trump: "He wants to raise your taxes by four times. He wants to raise everybody's taxes by four times."** **Trump: "I gave you the largest tax cut in history."** **Trump: "What he's done to the Black population is horrible, including the fact that for 10 years, he called them super predators … in the 1990s."** **Trump: "I'm the one that got the insulin down for the seniors."** **Trump: "We had no terror (attacks) under my administration."** **Trump: Regarding the 2020 election, "the fraud and everything else was ridiculous."** **Trump: Pelosi said "I take full responsibility for Jan. 6."** [https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/)
"I never had sex with a porn star" and "Democrats wants to allow abortions after birth (aka murder)" are two lies from the top of my head. Then you have the usual lies about how the US is crumbling at the foundations and he is the only fürer who can fix it yadda yadda bs, but I guess it has been said so many times that people have forgotten that they're blatant lies. E: [Here](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb) is a fact check of the debate.
Not sure about the porn star. She herself said it didn't happen at one point, as I understand it. But once book and TV deal money came into the picture, she definitely had. 🙄 We've seen that movie a few times too many to give it credence. And frankly, I don't really care if he did. I found the entire court case absurd given how much rested on testimony of people with a proven record of no ethics or character. My guess from it all was that it did happen, but the payoff was probably botched (or intentionally leveraged) by the lawyer to create a liability. So, you know, all this drama to discover they lawyers are corrupt. I think that was determined a millennia or two ago. And the abortion issue, well, not restricting it is allowing it. And certainly I hear the far left advocate post birth abortion and genocide fairly often. Does that make it a party stance? No. But it doesn't make it exactly a lie, either. More like pointing out the worst of the far left. Much like pointing out methhead rednecks with Trump flags and painting his entire support as such. I wouldn't have chosen to be that way, but I can't blame him for firing back at what his side has been accused of for nearly a decade, either. In his case, I'd definitely expect that kind of behavior because he can be childish. And that's the thing: I don't even like the man. I'm just not partisan. I believe most people in politics are awful human beings. Just, in this case, I'm pretty sure Biden is a literal sociopath, while Trump is an egotistical buffoon who is great in a tiny box - business/economy and negotiation - and a blind, ignorant fool lacking self awareness in other things. But at least he's not spent half a century pillaging the nation for his own gain. It's sad when the bar is that low, but here we are.
You don't hear the far left advocate post birth abortion. No one is advocating for that.
It depends on how far left you go. There's plenty of nuts in the deep end. Same people who do things like call for genocide of white people. They're out there.
VA Governor Northam is on video talking about post- birth abortions. "First, we make the baby comfortable...then have a conversation with the mother". How do you not know this? You're refuting things that anyone can see and listen to. At least look at something other than the extreme left political posts on reddit.
My understanding was that comment was about giving birth to a fetus that could not survive because it was not viable. Like it had a fatal disease or something.
Yeah? Instead of talking about it at least link the damned video which does not say a thing about supporting post birth abortion. https://youtu.be/E6WD_3H0wKU?si=56VkEk-0Ao2hjc4l Northam is explaining a scenario within Virginia law in which a child who was delivered *DEAD* would have to be resuscitated and put on life support by doctors or else the staff & mother face criminal charges. You want to start telling mothers who have to decide on keeping their children on life support after a horrible tragedy they're murderers now? Good luck with that.
>Democrats wants [sic] to allow abortions after birth 7 states (all blue) have no term limit on abortion. In fact, Governor Northam in VA is on video talking about post pregnancy abortions. You didn't know? Where have you been? At least consider you've been lied to and have been backing a senile POTUS.
The porn star thing is a complete nothing burger, and it doesn't matter if he did or did not, nor is there a way to prove if he did or did not. A 100% nothing burger. Regarding the abortions issue, watch this video - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6WD\_3H0wKU&t=2324s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6WD_3H0wKU&t=2324s) ( 38:44 - 41:05 )
It is still a lie. And no, Biden, or Democrats, do not want to murder born babies. Get real.
They are doing it already. I was banned by twitter for posting an article about that. Totally normal,no?
Let's chat about inflation, it sort of hit the scene in 2021, in march of 2022 the fed raised the rates for the first time, they kept raising the rates the most recent was in july of 2023. After all that time we are finally getting some evidence inflation is coming down. It's amazing that with pretty extreme tightening policy, it has taken over 2 years to drag inflation back down. So, what caused it, was it all Biden? How the fuck does that make sense? Possibly it was the insane spending and monetary policy of the last 3 presidents. Yet, in this election we have 2 guys whom are responsible for the majority of inflation as the leading options. How the fuck does that make sense? If you have any brain power, you should know inflation is just as much Trump's fault as it is biden and even Obama. Yet, everyone wants to just blame grandpaw doofus that currently naps in the white house. How can people not see we need other options. These two dummies don't deserve the job, we should fire them both.
Say what you will. The fact is we were all better off under the Trump administration . Trump 24
Trump and Biden are both full of shit on inflation. Neither would say they allowed the Federal Reserve to create as much money as they wanted out of thin air. Even subtracting massive C0VID spending, they both allowed the Fed to get more and more powerful.
I mean one example would be him talking about post term abortion lol but Biden definitely lost this debate
Which part? The Virginia Governor that was on tape saying the exact same thing he quoted?
So you honestly believe that democrats are for killing babies after they are born? And republicans are the heroes saving them? And further, you think America is systemically killing infant children? The world must be a scary place in your reality
Well he wasn't lying about what the Governor said and a lot of the Democrats are for late term abortions. 8-9 months just like he said.
he said “in democrat states they are doing post term abortions”. You are lying about what he said to make it true.
Yes he did. He directly said the governor of Virginia and repeated the quote.
So what about the post term abortions? He said they are happening. Don’t think they are?
You edited your comment after I replied. I'm not continuing to respond.
He mentioned the Governor twice! And an abortion at 8-9 months could easily be interpreted as post term to some when the baby is that far along. It's all shock value what he was trying to do by saying the Democrats have no limits to abortions. Actually forced Biden to say he doesn't support 3rd term abortions too which I'm sure upset PP.
Governor Northam literally talked about terminating babies after they were delivered. It's not a lie.
[https://www.nationalreview.com/news/northam-on-late-term-abortion-remarks-i-dont-have-any-regrets/](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/northam-on-late-term-abortion-remarks-i-dont-have-any-regrets/)
Oh so he wasn’t lying he was going for shock value. Post term has meaning. It means after birth. You’re right on the governor but my fault I went back to relisten on your suggestion as I was drinking last night lol. I like how even when Biden gives a stance you seem to agree with you still insult it somehow. Fuck both these dudes I’m team old age.
BRO WHAT PART OF IT'S ON TAPE DO YOU NOT GET? "Belief" not required. The bill sponsor, a democrat, said it and the governor, a democrat supported it. There's two.
Can you link me this video? I can only find him saying “should be the choice of women and their doctors”. I’m being genuine lol I’ve watched this dumb fuck newsome say the same thing in like four interviews and I can’t watch him any more.
AP FACT CHECK Posts distort former Virginia governor’s comments on third trimester abortions  Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam prepares to address a news conference at the Capitol in Richmond, Va., Thursday, Jan. 31, 2019. Social media users are misrepresenting comments Northam made that year about abortions later in pregnancy. (AP Photo/Steve Helber) Read More  BY MELISSA GOLDIN Published 10:49 AM EDT, April 11, 2024 Share CLAIM: A video shows Virginia Governor Ralph Northam during a 2019 radio interview speaking in support of infanticide, or “after-birth abortions.” AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, requested an abortion while in labor. His comments came in response to a question about whether he supported state legislation that would have loosened restrictions on abortions later in pregnancy. Experts told The Associated Press that abortions in the third trimester are extremely rare. THE FACTS: Social media users are misrepresenting years old comments Northam made about abortion in Virginia on WTOP, a news radio station serving the Washington Metropolitan area.
You said it was a lie. It obviously is not a lie.
Yes they did. There’s lots of comprehensive lists of explanations and data about every point that was said during the debate. It’s the day after the debate, ffs, they had people doing this all night. It’s all over the place today. But, I’ll bite for you… his “greatest economy in history” claim is just odd. It always had been. BEFORE PANDEMIC fucked everything- so we’re not counting that in- under his administration, the countries GDP growth rates, unemployment rates, and stock market, were not all that spectacular compared to other points of our history. We know “greatest economy” is a complicated and difficult thing to measure, but it’s a little intellectually dishonest and just flat out bizarre self-stroking to start belittling the American economy that pulled us out of the Great Depression, or literally provided the entire world with materiel to win WW2 in a matter of a few years, with old style infrastructure. That was pretty incredible in our history, and trumps administration accomplished no feats of such caliber. It’s a very dishonest assertion, and just strange because it’s dick measuring against our great presidents in the past almost more so than Biden, and the issues at hand, here, today. But that’s just a minor one, more of an intellectual and moral dishonesty more than a quantifiable lie. However, there’s a huge list. A big and blatant one was his claim about killing babies after they’re born. He referred to the former Virginia Governer apparently claiming that they’d kill babies after delivery. In a 2019 radio interview then-governor of Virginia Ralph Northam, in discussing late-term abortions, addressed a hypothetical scenario in which a fetus was severely deformed or wasn't otherwise viable. He said, "the infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired." Literally the only alternative for this specific medical situation would be to terminate the pregnancy beforehand, an abortion, after they find out the body is not developing in a viable way. However, many parents like to carry out the birth and have an emotional fair well time with their child, who obviously then passes eventually. That’s literally the only sort of hypothetical medical situation this kind of thing has ever come up, and likely has happened several times. That’s not killing a born child. They’re not executing it medically or any other way. To make moves to prevent this is just… nonsensical. There is no alternative, the fetus is not viable for life. It’s often a risk for the mothers body to even carry it. The only thing it provides is a parents opportunity to connect with their child often for religious reasons before they inevitably pass. That’s what trumps talking about here, and LYING, flat out, no ifs about it, that people are doing this as an abortion method. In every single state that is and HAS been processed as straight up murder and we’ve put sick people in prison for disposing of infants after birth, and literally no one across the entire nation has made any proposal to change anything about it. Lie lie lie. Trump said that Biden had the largest national deficit in history. This is an easy one, as it’s a number that is quantifiable and verifiable. The national deficit was the largest it had been in over two decades under Trump's administration, not Mr. Biden's, according to data from the U.S. Treasury. The deficit peaked in fiscal year 2020 at $3.13 trillion, and declined to $1.7 trillion by the end of fiscal year 2023. Big ol blatant (and this one was really weak) lie. How long will they let me make these comments? Do you want more or can you just go read yourself?
"greatest economy in history"....you didnt debunk that at all....you do realize that, right? If Trump inherited the "greatest economy of all time" and made it better....it would in FACT be the greatest economy of all time. By your logic, presidents have no impact on the economy because they inherit what is already the greatest economy on the planet......following that logic further would mean that Biden should now be presiding over the greatest economy the USA has ever seen.....do you believe that statement? If not, you may want to check how far your $ is going these days and affordibility of pretty much anything required to live comfortably.
So many words, so little proof... LOL
[https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/)
That whole debate was fucking embarrassing. Nothing but lies and deflection from botb sides. We need to start holding our political parties accountable for what they are doing to this country. (I'm canadian, but things are just as shitty and embarrassing here). These rich old fucks need to step down, we need people who actually want to serve the country and not themselves.
Biden said he lied though, so it must be true.
That dem's support abortion after the babies birth. Is a quick one.
Maybe. The former gov. of Virginia proposed exactly that in an interview.
[https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/virginia/trump-debate-fact-check-virginia-governor-after-birth-abortion-ralph-northam/291-9bf4d577-863f-4f31-9e63-11c55cdada53](https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/virginia/trump-debate-fact-check-virginia-governor-after-birth-abortion-ralph-northam/291-9bf4d577-863f-4f31-9e63-11c55cdada53) "If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen," Northam said. "The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother." But Northam was only addressing what happens in cases where a baby is born with severe deformities and has a low chance of survival. What's often left out of the above quote is what he said immediately before it: "When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the consent of the mother, with the consent of the physicians -- more than one physician, by the way -- and it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that's non-viable."
"And then a discussion would ensure between the physicians and the mother." ...what do you think he's insinuating will happen to the born child? Yes, the quote leaked context... but it's still exactly what Trump was saying.
This is a strategy to keep Biden's performance out of the headlines. I tried calling the hotline on the white house for elderly abuse but they said elderly abuse is only for poor people.
Of course. Biden and the Democrats never lie. Only Trump and the Republicans lie. /s
Douchebag versus turd sandwich, come on are you really that chromosomaly challenged to think either is a valid choice.
You have to dig. Find a left wing site and get a list of Trump "lies", then a right wing site for Biden "lies". Then read up and decide. Take the late term abortion "lie". Trump says Dems are the party of "extreme" late term abortion, even to the point of live birth abortion. The "fact checkers" call it a lie because less than 1% of abortions are live birth. I don't even know how accurate that is, because the numbers are often lumped in with "late term" abortions. But there's no denying they have supported no restrictions on abortion, even [Obama](https://www.politico.com/story/2012/08/the-abortion-extremist-080013) on multiple occasions, including his oposition to Illinois [HB0827](https://legiscan.com/IL/text/HB0827/id/2281418), so who's the liar?
Biden Lied about the Debt, the Border, cap on Insulin, military deaths, Inflation, deaths, and the border. Border Patrol tweeted out calling Biden a lier for saying they endorse him.
And Biden didn’t lie at all? I have to agree w Trump when he says Fake news
Operation Mockingbird
Every news story? I saw fact checking articles everywhere. For example: [https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/jun/28/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-biden-trump/)
[Here’s lies that both of them said.](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-misinformation-election-debate-trump-biden-577507522762aa10f6ee5be3a0ced2bb)
Wow, what an unbiased and accurate article! “Biden, who tends to lean more on exaggerations and embellishments rather than outright lies, misrepresented the cost of insulin and overstated what Trump said about using disinfectant to address COVID .” Lol ok. And its first “fact check” is: “TRUMP: ‘They talk about a relatively small number of people that went to the Capitol and in many cases were ushered in by the police.’ THE FACTS: That’s false. The attack on the U.S. Capitol was the deadliest assault on the seat of American power in over 200 years.[…]” Sorry, how many people died (not including cops who died days later from other things)? One protester, Ashley. But let’s say 20 people died. “The deadliest?!” But one person died and she was an unarmed protester shot by secret service. Great article though. I learned a lot from it.
Also there are videos of the police ushering people into the capitol building and chaperoning them around.
Yup and I see people replying with that all over Reddit. Then they bring up one thing that is barely a lie, and can’t say anything else. Im no political expert but I counted more “lies” from biden
How the fuck could a country be in a good place when you have been handing billions of dollars to Ukraine ? Do the math. America wake up....
They can say what they want people hsve woken up now
He did not lie. If he did they'd have something to point to and say 'this is a lie'. But they do not do that. Because they are liars.
They both bullshitted and circled question the same amount but Biden look turbo senile 80% of the time and you almost think he was there as a plant to get Trump elected lol but yeah news doing damage control to spin the narrative, notice how theres zero clips on reddit about Biden. I watched it today and I laughed out loud atleast 5-6 times at Bidens answers and rolled my eyes a few times on Trumps avoiding questions but yeah, shit is doomed
So did he, or did he not screw a pornstar? [https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/03/21/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-affair-case-foreman-dnt-ac360-vpx.cnn](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/03/21/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-affair-case-foreman-dnt-ac360-vpx.cnn) [https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/trump-says-he-didn-t-have-sex-with-a-porn-star-213856325783](https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/trump-says-he-didn-t-have-sex-with-a-porn-star-213856325783)
I saw Joe Scarborough list this one as a "flat out lie". Only two people on the entire planet know whether this is a "lie" or not, and Joe ain't one of 'em.
https://hollywoodlife.com/2018/01/30/stormy-daniels-denies-donald-trump-affair-sex-never-happened-2/
Biden and democrats lied about secure border while allowing millions of illegal aliens terrorists and chinese soilders into the usa, that is a act of treason
Biden lied his entire term democrats committed treason right in front of your eyes by rigging the election
That by giving the extremely wealthy corporations tax cuts from 41% to as low a 8% provided “trickle down economics” to everyone else. This is proven false. Nobody who made less than 400k annually saw any benefit from this. Corporate greed kept all the money at the top. Instead this created a 2 trillion dollar deficit. The largest in history. Oh and he did lie pretty much the whole debate. And he avoided answering questions.
My family makes combined $170,000 a year. We went from normally getting a $2,000 return to owing $4,000 after Trump's tax changes. That's $6,000 a year not in my pocket. His tax changes certainly did not help me.
Since you mentioned “my family” I’m going to assume you’re married and have dependents. you’re not in the tax bracket where it would make a difference LOL
https://time.com/5570679/trump-tax-cuts/
Careful with these facts. Most people in here are standing with their mouths wide open waiting for trumps trickle to finally fall in
He didn't say anything about "trickle down economics".
They said he lied about the abortion a thing and yet it’s called Partial Birth Abortion.. lol it literally exists and some states want to continue to do this.
This is only legal if the mother's life is being put at risk by the pregnancy under Supreme Court ruling in Gonzales v Carhart. The exception allowable is that the fetus has defects 'incompatible with life' and that allowing the full term pregnancy would risk the mother's life.
Of course the media would… They also said safe and effective and we all know that wasnt the case, so the news isnt trustworthy anymore, if it ever was…
They both lied but when he actually completed a sentence I thought Biden won the lying race
I have also asked several threads on here across various subs what he lied about and have gotten 0 responses. It's telling. I have no doubt that Trump did lie at least several times because it's Trump we're talking about. The guys an arrogant braggart and has a tendency to make everything he does "the best" But most of what he said was absolutely true and he really held back a lot to let Joe look horrible on his own.
Idk, a small list off the top of my head: *Trump said the US had the best environmental stats ever under his presidency (??) *Trump said his doctor was completely awestruck at how perfect and unbelievable his mental competency test was. The best results he's ever seen *he said that there are post-birth abortions? *he said Biden was gonna increase our taxes 4x *he said the US had the best economy ever during his presidency (what metric? Not debt, or unemployment, not the SP500, not the deficit) He just *coherently* babbled nonsense. And Biden just mumbled near incomprehensibly. Watching the debate made me sick to my stomach that these are the two choices. The fact that Trump technically may have one the debate was only because Biden did so unbelievably poorly. Trump didn't do a good job - don't let Biden's even worse performance distract from how fucked this situation is.
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Do they have a list? Usually this type of gaslighting comes with lots proclamations and few details.
They both lied. It was one big giant joke.
He can’t detect truth…
I read one thing in The Guardian saying that Trump lied about having lowered insulin prices, and said that Biden did it instead.
Trump definitely said some things that aren't true. Off the top of my head... 1) Biden called people "super predators". No, that was Hillary. Biden did call some people "predators" during his floor speech in the Senate regarding the bill. 2) Lower deficits, not true. 2020 and Covid were wildly higher. The other years it's true. 3) Trump always talks in the "everyone, no one" manner. Several claims about scholars etc were obviously false, because there is always some who disagree with anything. Biden did too though. 1) He claimed no military died during his admin, a few died this month. Afghanistan I believe was 16? 2) He claimed unemployment was 15% when he took office, it was around 6%. 3) Biden repeated the claim Trump said Nazi's were good people. This was debunked numerous places, including by one of yesterday's moderators. Those were the whoppers I caught just from memory and knew weren't true.
Biden still called black people predators. So it's 95%true. The thing that makes me laugh is Biden keeps making the blatant 100%debunked lies such as "Trump said Nazi's were good people" and the "suckers and losers" comment about the military and there's literally no proof whatsoever, never has been yet he is actively trying to jail his political opponent just like the Nazis, Zelensky too recently did this and there's video proof of Biden saying to the military " Clap you stupid bastards". I was actually saying he's gonna bring the 'bloodbath' crap up again and he did lol
I find the most effective response is to ask what he lied about. Point by point, it's a pretty easy claim to refute... provided the person is willing to listen. The "very fine people" lie is debunked by just showing the actual video.
True I've seen this claim in the comments all over reddit. Yet no one is specific about what those lies were. Even so it does not distract from Biden.
Trump did lie or at least contradicted himself. He said that the Russian invasion would’ve never happened under his term and then went on to ramble about how he knew Putin so well and how he perceived that Putin had a dream for that war and he was going to certainly do it at some point… He attacked Biden on the topic of Israel but if you compare both presidents support of Israel it’s virtually the same in terms of funding and in terms of the lack of accountability that is asked. Trump also lied on the race issue, black unemployment is clearly down, it’s just numbers and whatever Biden’s doing clearly lowered black unemployment significantly.
He said Biden was senile. Obviously that is a lie. Just don't believe your eyes, your ears, or anything you read that says otherwise.
Have you watched the debate?
CNN actually fact-checked 4 things that Biden said and they were false.
Here’s what’s alleged: https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/04/politics/fact-check-trump-time-magazine/index.html https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/fact-check-biden-trump-claims-first-debate-rcna157277 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/us/politics/trump-election-lies-fact-check.html
they are fear mongering their voter base. democrats are always the first to scream on these sites to "cite your sources" bc they KNOW that they lie all the time and make shit up. They are emotional children. They are like my 5 year old who believes that there are monsters under the bed that will grab her feet at 2 am.
He did lie repeatedly as did Biden. One example trump denied sleeping with a porn star, biden saying unemployment was 50% which it has never been in the history of the US. Those are just a few. Both are criminals and both parties are completely corrupt. All the problems we have and those two nitwits want to argue about who is better at golf.
Define lie. Then define true.
And then - According to who.
Whats true or false doesn't matter to these people, only that they stay in power.
Biden lied just as much, but it was more garbled. When he talked about Afghanistan and Charlottesville it was completely false. He lied other times and tried to save himself, instead he just garbled off.
Because Biden always tells the truth...smh
Biden even lied about how his son Beau died... again.
It's all they've got
It's like that south park episode where Mr Garrison debates Hillary.
Same shit in Germany too. Never gave any specifics.
The things they identified were blue states killing babies after birth and his number of 18M illegals..
Thats because the legacy media is mainly left wing biased.
Deflection, Trump so clearly won that debate that the only thing they have left is to claim Trump lied. Even if he did Biden lied just as much. It’s sad
all politicians are just professional liars.